The Legacy of Kep1er 

The fact that Wakeone is even considering giving them a contract extension shows that even THEY knew they messed up.

The start of Kep1er’s downfall was joining queendom. They were competing with established groups as babies. Like Brave Girls only had two songs to choose from to cover, and Kep1er had already performed one of them in the first episode. I enjoyed watching their personal variety show to get to know their personalities, but the uploads became infrequent during their participation in queendom, which caused me to lose interest. I supported them throughout the show because the girls are so talented. But, competing with veterans was challenging, and while I absolutely adore the girls and was always hoping for an improvement in their ranking, it was incomparable. I do think their confidence suffered after the competition. And people’s perception of them turned negative. They honestly should’ve just spent that time establishing their sound for their next cb, or promoted msk as a single

The difference between Kep1er and ZB1’s debut mv budget is CRAZY

Kep1er, the girl group with so much talent and visual appeal that was ruined by their company. Also as people say, "You can tell WakeOne didn't get the lineup they wanted." They treat these girls as some side-gig. Covers... nah, variety shows... nah, concept... nah, talent... yay, and correctly managed... nah. With Kep1er we just have an abundant of solo stans, good b-sides, and amsr. These girls deserve so much more.

they have one of, if not the best dance lines in 4th gen.. such a shame that they're under such a shitty company. they're such good performers and wakeone doesn't know how to utilize their best stan attractors like xiaoting, chaehyun and hiyyih. they've been hinting at contract renewal not happening recently and it breaks my heart but i wish for them to do well in the future. my girls deserve so much better

i've always said that the reason wakeone didn't put any effort into kep1er is because they didn't get the lineup they wanted & they don't know what to do with all nine girls. yall can say the lineup doesn't make sense & the girls don't fit together & wtv other bs yall say but look at groups like loona, billlie, & twice. girls with very different personalities/personas but somehow work together.

Their biggest downfall DEFINITELY came from Queendom 2. Like WHY did Wakeone even make them go?! It’s bad enough that they’re a rookie group with only a debut album to use during the show, but they’re an MNET show group too which created soo much unnecessary hate and controversy for the girls. Plus, Mnet has the WORST EDITING EVER and there were a lot of edited moments that made Kep1er out to be a disrespectful group of babies who whines and cries over everything. Queendom did absolutely NOTHING for Kep1er except give K-pop fans a few more reasons to slander them a part from the already toxic solo fanbases and the lack of quality combacks/title songs. The best way to describe Kep1er is “A group full of potential that never gets used properly.” Their concept had so much potential, their music had so much potential, the members themselves had SO MUCH POTENTIAL, but WAKEONE is the sole reason why nothing went their way. They poorly designed and utilized these girls and as a result the toxic solo fans began to grow as their attention in the general public eye began to dwindle into nothing.

A wakeone staff insider confirmed that kep1er was set up to absorb the hate from the rigging scandal. which is why zb1's budget was 4x that of kep1er. they didnt put the effort in nor tried to stop the fanwars as they wanted the community to vent their frustrations out on kep1er so that Mnet could go back to making produce groups. in essence kep1er was the sacrificial lamb. Which is SUCH a shame. As the girls are talented. they are one of the most synchronised girl group in kpop dethroning Gfriend and IZONE with a 97% accuracy rate. They are amazing dancers and the vocal improvement the girls have had over these last 2 years is astounding (not that wakeone seems to show it in their releases). The sad bit is, their legacy of their talent will reflect what wakeone allowed the girls to show Which was only a small portion of their capabilities. They could have been top of 4th gen if wakeone played their cards right. but it was never wakeones intention to do so. esp showing as the latest era had no funding into outfits or appearances, ended early and the rise in album costs just show wakeone using them for squeeze every drop they can from the suffering fanbase. The girls are still in bunkbeds when zb1 members now have their own istg.

I love Kep1er so much but even as a huge Kep1ian I agree that so many mistakes were made on their song choices and promotion. Wa da da really set them off on the wrong foot and I don’t think people stuck around long enough to see if they could ever pick back up. I love these girls and hope they somehow manage to have better careers going forward

I was hoping that they were going to pull off an I.O.I, I.O.I's debut was okay-ish but they reinvented themselves and came back stronger, doubling their sales and topping every major music charts. Well... we knew that it didnt happened to Kep1er, somehow WakeOne magically fucked up every comeback. I agree with you, rather than coming up with a good song and concept that makes them stand out, they just threw whatever sticks to them and then just run with it. I think WakeOne knows that they're doomed from the start cuz they knew the competition was tough and just gave up on them. If only they had a little faith in them and took care of them they can be massive. Wasted potential, these girls do not deserve this.

I strongly believe that kep1er had so much potential to be just as big as izone but w1 didn't have any idea what they were going to do with them after girls planet,plus the fandom was so divided from debut cause ppl weren't happy with the final line up which created alot of ot8 and solo stans All they needed was proper management, good music and proper treatment of the members and they were destined for greatness is sad cause the group feels like a waste compared to other survival show groups

Great video as always, very very excited for that IZ*ONE video and good luck with your school stuff !

i watched girls planet so thoroughly, i had my main picks and a lot of them didn't debut but it was fine because out of the finalists majority of my final top 9 ended up debuting in kep1er, i voted for xiaoting during the live voting and cried my eyes out when her name was finally called out, i'm telling you this to let you know how attached i am to these girls, i was READY to stan, but ultimately i didn't, i couldn't stan just for the sake of the girls whom i love, i didn't like the music, still i rooted for them every comeback and i'm glad i did because i kept an eye on them and still could find a song here and there that i liked, but they don't have that discography that grabbed me enough to make me stan! (that's me personally) and the in fandom fighting definitely drove me away. but on the other hand, i didn't watch boys planet, i watched clips here and there, watched performances and had an eye on a few trainees but nothing more, i didn't have the same level of attachment to it, yet it was so easy for me to get into zerobaseone, and i mentioned the in fandom fighting because the situation is not much better within the zerose fandom, if not worse, yet their music was good enough for me to stick around. the fandom drama is only gonna drive fans away when the music isn't that grabbing, like the fandom experience wasn't enjoyable and i couldn't stick around for music that wasn't exactly my taste either. the members are very charming tho and kep1er may not have boosted their popularity as much as it could or should have but they can still manage to grab the public's attention through whatever they do next, i have faith in them and i'm still hoping for one more korean comeback i didn't even know galileo was potentially their final comeback ?????? crying

I don’t think it’s a speculation that Kepler/Girls Planet were a trial run for ZB1/Boys Planet - it’s VERY obvious from how both were run that Kepler WERE a test run - a badly done one that no one cared about at that. But we have their test run burning in flames to thank for ZB1’s success, so in the end their legacy will be the success of ZB1, who couldn’t have existed in such a high quality state without Kepler’s failures.

I believe one of the reasons that they're not memorable is not having a specific center yes Chaehyun ( I'm not sure if I spelled her name right) is arguably center but they never pushed her enough as a center nor said that she's the center like every time I think about iz*one I think of Wonyoung then Sakura or every time I think of IoI I think of Somi then Chungha but when I think of Kep1er I don't think of a specific member or even if I try to think of one of the members I usually think of Xiaoting not Chaehyun

I alwaya thought that Kepler would go for a concept like "Alien" by AKMU's Lee Su-hyun.

I agree that Wakeone failed them and now Kep1er girls had to endure so much. A lot of points you brought up are very true and as a fan of Kep1er, this is frustrating and will be until the end of their contract. Still it is sad that they lost their popularity etc due to mismanagement as they all had and still have potential as individuals.

Tbh my personally I love wa da da and up very much it’s wa so perfect for 2022 for me but we fresh definitely didn’t like it and I tried staying with Kep1er but after I do you do I just didn’t listen to it but I did like giddy a little bit more but after there’s most recent comeback it just didn’t grab my attention or even sound like there first two comebacks

I’ll always support kep1er

Wakeone didn’t get the lineup they wanted. Mnet really wanted Bora, Yurina, and Suyeon.

completely agree

I know that what i'm about to say is controversial but this is my opinion. Kep1er is waaaaaaaaaaaaay more talented than Izone. I came to the conclusion even before the end of gp999 cause the level of talent of the contestants surpasses produce and that's why the talent itself isn't enough. The company is the real deal. Izone had amazing songs, a stable concept, a lot of promotion while wakeone didn't have a clear vision

The only person I could see going far is hiyyih, cause of her brother. Like everyone else I don’t see it I loved hikaru in p999 but what happened they could have gave her more raps like the ones she did on the show. And honestly I forgot about Kepler as a whole after up I forgot about them, I only saw hiyyih cause of TXT

this is one of the most talented groups in terms of individual skills we've seen in awhile imo but.. like you're saying.. they're terribly managed. i hope once kep1er does disband they all go to companies that know how to market them and their own talents in the right way.. whether its as soloists, another gg, we NEED to see these girls talents being shown to their full extent and i cant name a single song of theirs that i have on a playlist. their songs just.. arent good. and it sucks because they're all SO talented, they just cant seem to capture what concept they really are trying to go for. it just feels BLAND and pointless.

Unpopular opinion Mnet should be rigging kep1er... Don't get me wrong, they are very talented but they lacked here and there And also if you look at it from a company perspective it is very strange for a company to "give up" on something they invested in?

I think and kind of knew from the start that Kep1er were going to be mistreated from the start. From solo stans to a member who was token stanned into the group (I'm not naming names, but we all know who it is 😏😔). No one is tooning into Kep1er anymore, and me included sadly. Wake one only cares about Zb1 now.

The Space concept has SO MUCH potential if you ask me, there so many possibilities in which you can take a comeback, from literal, scientifical references to mythological interpretations & stories and even conspiracy theories such as aliens, their company had MORE THAN ENOUGH material to work with for the 2.5 years they would be together. Such a missed opportunity, I really hope another group tries their hand at this concept because it’s really cool. Also, what you said about this entire project doing more ‘harm’ to these girls’ career instead of good is so true because they now have a reputation that’s going to be hard to shake off with kpop fans. I wish them the best thought because none of this is their fault.

That's how I feel too. You literally couldn't escape IZ'ONE when they were around, everyone was talking about them, their music was of high quality, the members were memorable and well liked...and people mourned the loss of this group when they disbanded But I'm not seeing that memorability in Kepler. They don't even seem like a Produce group, just a group that's doing well enough to be noticed by people and think "Oh yeah, they're the predecessors of IZ'ONE" I love these girls don't get me wrong, they have so much potential and talent...their company just isn't doing anything to make these girls the superstars that they are supposed to be

Galileo is probably their last korean comeback and they were unnoticeable. I cant really comprehend how a creative group full of multiple individuals cant come up with a concept that makes sense and has meaning. Msvk should have been their debut track and from there they should have gave them songs that were similar but at the same different for example love on lock. In conclusion for me kepler journey has a been beautiful but at the same time it has been a waste of time and potential.

As someone who watched Girls Planet and Boys Planet, and has followed both groups, it is genuinely so sad to see just how differently they are treated. Not trying to knock ZB1 down ofc I love them but like damn the difference in treatment is crazy

I feel like the problem with space concepts is that they are usually just tacked on for the aesthetic. It's usually just space in the background or members in space interacting with it somehow. Space is also so broad as well. I feel like space stories should have existential themes to them as it often does in other media. I think cosmic horror ( if not for kepler, I think dreamcatcher and billlie could pull it off too) or something like sailor moon and like gundam or neon genesis evangelion could work. Have earth be in danger from space forces and they have a timeline for when the world ends that coincidentally aligns with their disbandment date. A group of 9 superpowered girls is the earth's last hope. You can even work in the separation into the last mv and have it so they have to split up to protect the world, like they each absorbed something from the final battle that if brought together again could be dangerous. You could also just have them decide to split up to help other planets now that earth is saved. I feel like groups who have set disbandments could have such cool concepts because you already know about when the disbandment will be. Tell a good concise story.

Kep1er to me was an experiment to see if people would watch Produce post-scandal. There’s no way they were expected to succeed- because if they were why on earth was their entire debut so messy and half-baked? Their concept, their mvs, even the way they were constantly rewearing their performance outfits. Everything screamed “we aren’t sure if we should put effort and budget into this group.” It was even more insulting when they sent them to Queendom 2- it wasn’t enough to have test run rebranded Produce, they needed contestants for another show as well. And it took the steam out from their debut and broke down the girls confidence. I do worry for the members. Some have strong fan support and I think they will be fine. But other members are from small or badly run companies. Some members are from Japan or China and may return there rather than continue in the Kpop industry. And for Yujin she is likely considered too old to redebut in another group. It’s hardly fair that this group of talented idols are going to go their separate ways with so little to show for all their hard work. I really do hope they don’t renew their contracts because I really don’t think W1 can do any better than what they’ve done so far- and I think it will be a long slow decline rather than them trying to find success elsewhere.

The really hard loss of Iz*One's disbandment and Mnet's Produce rigging/manipulation scandals didn't help Kep1er's chances either. Mnet wasted no time trying to rebrand so soon with Girls' Planet and that put a bad taste into people's mouths. Mnet should've waited a few years and actually showed they learned their lesson. I also think WakeOne's decision to put them on Queendom was a huge mistake - I keep thinking back how Queendom affected seasoned veterans like Lovelyz and VIVIZ (ex Gfriend members) and actually hurt their careers. Putting a rookie girl group straight out the womb on there was a terrible decision.

It’s really sad because i like Kepler so much as individuals. What’s even SADDER is that I feel like half of these members would’ve been better off without Kepler. I think of Hikaru all the time who was set be a member of XG- who’s killing it rn, but left due to GP. And though Yujin definitely got some recognition from the show, there’s no clear path she can go on after they disband since she doesn’t have a company to go back to.

the fact that they have probably one of the most talented dancers line in kpop right now yet sleepone refused to fully take advantage of that with their style & concept is beyond my logic. i know sleepone probably didn't get the line-up that they were expected, but at least they still should try to make the group as marketable & profitable as they can anyway, right!? it's not like sleepone had a lot of artists under their hands that they can choose to put kep1er on the side

While I have so many thoughts on what wakeone didn't do well, I will say this: putting kep1er on queendom 2 was probably one of the worst decisions ever made by the company. They just debuted and did not have an established fanbase yet, they were competing with groups that had years of experience and fans backing them up, and they did rather poorly on the show. Not only did it make the girls feel unconfident, but the show also made the group look incredibly incompetent due to their low ranking :( the girls were discouraged and their appearance led to a lot of outrage because they literally just debut fresh out of the oven. All in all it just left a bad impression on the group which is unfavorable when bringing in new fans.

They are incredible performers on stage (check the japan concert), and for me, their best song "MVSK" was a miss, promotion speaking. I think a lot of mistakes has been made by the artistic direction and promotional management. Plus, their debut was late (in comparison with izone) AND they had the IVE, LE SSERAFIM and NEW JEANS phenomenon the same year. From my point of view, its 50% management mistakes, 50% unlucky. But, we all know what a produce group is for. It's just a matter of breeding horses and then distributing them to different stables in order to maximize future profitability. They didnt give a S about concept. They are just here for the harvest. And they already know which one is the most profitable and which one to bet on for the next race. Sorry if I'm being rude, but I hate what they did with those very talented girls (And to be clear, I'm not Kep1an).

I just will not accept Kep1er disbanding without a full album, so WakeOne better get going with it NOW.

I feel the corporate point of Kep1er was to see how much they could rig without actually rigging. So they could figure out what worked best before they did it with the boys group that would make them way more money. I'm so heartbroken about Kep1er. I love them a lot but wake one continuously fails them. I remember with Giddy I didn't even know a mv was coming til it was out, and I follow their socials. Ultra cute space would have been amazing but wake one refused to bother. Instead giving half assed bs. What's also heartbreaking is I'm getting the same vibes from EL7Z UP, which I adore (Yuki and Nana are my ults)

What is wild to me is that their Japanese title tracks are ALWAYS better than their Korean title tracks. Of course taste is subjective but it’s always seemed odd to me.

And btw, kep1er is doing well. They've sold over 1 million album copies (and counting) in less than 2 years, a huge feat for most girl groups. They've sold out concerts with tens of thousands in attendance (they had a fan meeting with 8,000 in attendance just yesterday. For just a fan meeting!). Charted high on music platforms used by millions of listeners like line music, raked in millions of youtube views, won awards, and have done shoots with famous magazines like harper's Bazaar. The girl's have made literal millions of dollars, and their lives have been changed forever by their time in this group. Not to mention the powerful bond they all share with each other (all 9 of them wore matching friendship socks to the airport and posed for the photographers with them and yujin their leader cried while performing back to the city because of how much she loves kep1er and kep1ians). So don't feel sorry for them. They've done so well given the odds that were stacked against them and they all have bright futures ahead of them, I'm sure of it.

I feel like so much of what you pointed out was really good, especially when you pointed out how the majority of iz*ones members made it into groups or made it as soloists. I wonder whats gonna happen to them, especially the more neglected members. You can also prob see a fan turnover from wiz*ones to the newer groups or support as soloists. An example would be bahiyyih, i dont think i could see her as a soloist, and she was never given opportunities in kep1er, so a group seems a harder reach. I hope all the members can really make it! Also you should cover universe ticket or dream academy at some point.

I believed that if wake one said that Kepler’s concept was dimensions\planets their cb would make more sense like each concept trailer before their release, would be them discovering a new planet and how the ppl/aliens live there. For example UP planet could be a lot softer and ppl just having fun there, while the We fresh planet could be like the working class and futuristic. With the concept of space they could have gone in so many different directions, it’s really sad to see how wo did them dirty

People really downplay the other side of the Produce fraud scandal; we talk a lot about how GP999 had bad rep but not enough how fundamentally Wanna, IZ*One and X-1 can’t be compared to IOI and Kep1er: - they hand picked the members, mostly from somehow established companies (if you look at it, even the companies with no idols were big with actors or models, meaning they have the network down) - they had a sophisticated and polished concept in place, with well produced songs and everything, just waiting for the right members - knowing who would debut, they could tailor and adjust screentime and edit to keep them into the public consciousness - they could pick the evaluation songs to make us pin into a certain type of group for the final lineup by automatically making certain concepts more exciting than others From W1 to X-1 they basically had an entire show to advertise an already made group and grow their individual fanbases prior to debut. X-1 being the one that made people look further makes sense cause compared to the previous Produce groups was the one with the most questionable entries and the least cohesive lineup - had it looked as nice as W1 and IZ*One they would for sure get away with it. The most recent case of trying to pull this off is the group HYBE made in R U Next, the coaches made so blatantly obviously bad judgment that very quickly the viewers wanted nothing to do with the group so their goal of building a fanbase more or less backfired. It takes balance to sell the false feel of helping build a group, but if done right it’ll always be leagues ahead by the time they debut next to a group actually made by fan voting.

I'm going to be honest i didn’t watch your video. I was going to but as soon as i heard the whole "we can debate if they (kep1er) are as talented as iz*one" i decided to give it a pass because there in lies the "problem" you all have with kepler if we're being honest, you all are punishing them for NOT being iz*one. Yes, wakeone's management has been subpar at best and downright neglectful at worst but we can not ignore the K-pop community's cruelty as playing a part in actively making things difficult for these girls. RU-vid is filled with videos similar to this one calling them "flops" saying "no1gaf" and absolutely traumatizing the hell out of these poor girls, because yes they've seen them, and for what? A few likes and views? You all of have thrown every criticism in the book at them (not their company) from "terrible line up" to "bad vocals" to "no musical identity" and all of these are subjective opinions but kpoppies parrot this like its the gospel truth, deterring new fans from giving them a chance because its "not trendy" to stan them the way it is to stan new jeans or le sserafim or ive. They don't receive the love and popularity iz*one did (mainly because they debuted post rigging scandal) so it left them vulnerable to all y'alls harassment and negativity. Please just leave these girls to enjoy the rest of their contract in peace and stop trying to profit off of humiliating them for clicks and likes. Thank you.

I've never seen a group have such a problem with title tracks that almost every comeback, the fans have decided "x song in album should've been the title tracK". It's almost every fucking comeback at this point lol Wadada -> A lot of people preferred MVSK because it was just a stronger concept that gave more members time to shine Up -> People actually liked this one We Fresh -> LITERALLY ANY OTHER SONG, but a lot of people me included felt like they should've pulled a (G)I-DLE with Lion and just did Can't Turn Me Down Giddy -> Back to the City Galileo -> LVLY or Love on Lock

the constant negativity surronding kep1er is vv annoying so im commenting what i want the girls to do after they disband 🫶🏾🫶🏾 yujin - soloist + actress xiaoting - six membered gg with a mature concept (having another chinese member would be good) mashiro - five-ish membered gg with a dark elegant sound (lovelyz obliviate era) chaehyun - soloist dayeon - seven?? membered gg with a girl crush concept hikaru - four or six membered gg with a girl crush concept (im rlly interested in seeing what avex will do with her, she's a star in the making) hiyyih - six membered gg with either a hi-teen concept or an elegant concept youngeun - six-ish membered gg with a girl crush concept (something like billlie) yeseo - five-ish membered gg with a dark elegant sound (lovelyz obliviate era)

I'm literally so scared for the future of most of the girls because, as you mentioned, these survival show groups are meant to give you a solid fanbase so that you can build a career on it, maybe get contract offers from bigger companies, like Chaewon & Sakura did, but as of now I'm afraid none of them will be in any IVE/Le Sserafim-like group or be extremely popular soloists like Yena or Chaeyeon... Makes me really sad, I love Kep1er so much, I support them with every comeback, I have their lightstick etc, but I'm still not sure if I really want them to resign with W1...

As someone who joined the fandom during up era and had no clue what girls plant was I feel very weird about Kepler. Oh, I think it’s undeniable that this is a girl group with a ton of talent probably one of the best dance lines of the fourth generation with a pretty strong replying to go with it. It’s just the fact of the company doesn’t really utilize the talent well. Also, the lack of a concept or even better yet lore is also very disappointing . If you really think about it, sometimes with trips up groups that do lore is that they try to extend it over 5 to 7 years with this group you would’ve had a definitive end to the story. if they had done lore the story would’ve started and had a definitive end.

and when everyone realise that my girls had zero chance from the start bc knetz are BOYCOTTING them bc of the rigging scandal… they deserve so much more and of course kpop stans i will not forgive you for putting them through so much during this past two years

Kep1er is a perfect example of wasted potential. I don’t think any other group was mismanaged that badly in 4th gen at least.

Let’s hope they put out a banger final song! That would really elevate their legacy. At least Galileo is charting ok! I’ve always been rooting for kep1 but I agree with most the points you made.

Kep1er was a sacrifice. Use them to get through the rigging backlash, give them the bare minimum and let them take the hate for it, before properly promoting ZB1.

as a keplian when i saw the title i thought i was gonna get mad but i sadly agree. im so sad bc i know they will disband and people will only care abt hiyyih xiaoting and hikaru.

Kep1er's legacy is how cohesive, clear concepts and a united fandom are important to keep a group thriving. They are a lesson to learn from. If anyone is still interested in listening to new music, kep1er bsides are a great listen.

Great video! I agree that Kepler debuted at the absolute worst time! IVE's debut song with Eleven! LE SSERAFIM's Fearless concept! And the Monster Rookies that have Korea in a chokehold, NewJeans! It's unfortunate! And a sidenote: Not everyone can commit to a space theme! It's incredibly expensive! Look at LOONA! They, in my opinion had the best understanding of their concept despite coming from a mid-level company! But at the expense of management poorly treating their artist! Don't do a space concept if you don't have the budget! It's as simple as that!

am i the only one who really likes "Galileo"? Like i really like it, personally i think it's one of their best comeback

As a zb1 fan imo you can really tell the difference between the two groups’ treatments, of course neither of them are treated that well but you can tell wakeone dgaf about kep1er AT ALL and it’s sad to me because i know these girls are very talented

3 things that ruined their hype. firstly, the company ofc, queendom 2 and those twt stans who are chronically online that literally has no taste and misleading information and talking sh1t about their discography.

Kep1er is a girl group filled with a crazy good talent, we all saw it on gp999. If wakeone has paid attention to how much love MVSK was granering, they could have still changed the concept and come back big in the very first comeback. If they had that kind of concept, I can guarentee they would have just as much fame and popularity as IVE or Le sserafim do today. Plus, the Queendom mess. They could've easily had an extra comeback in the time they had wasted on Queendom as literal rookie. It's a pity, we can only hope that whatever they do after this they garner the attention they deserve.

I also think that W1 had EVERYTHING already roulled out. So it must be hard to change the concept of overall everything. You can notice by their latest comeback (b-sides). That sound has been a thing for over a while now. If they did this sound like 6 months ago It wouldve been noticed better. Why come so late with it? Them having a different sound EVERY cb is just not it. It’s failing them.

Kep1er's music is actually really good and I feel bad that people don't listen to it because of their titles

The Kep1er members are so talented, it makes me so sad that their full potential wasn't shown and the group nor it's individual members gained much popularity. All of these girls desearve the best in life and even though it's not too likely, I really hope they get to show their talent and shine in whatever they do after the group disbands. I.O.I was so iconic, Izone was a staple of their generation, Zb1 is so popular already. Of course Kep1er was quite popular too at their debut but I feel like with every comeback they lose sales and views and popularity overall. It kind of worries me that if they did have another comeback it would be much worse than the previous ones and by the time they disband nobody will pay attention to what the indivisual members new careers or activites. At this point there really isn't much WakeOne could do to boost their popularity last minute. I feel so bad for the girls and I just hope they all get the love and attention and promotion they deserve in the future. ❤️❤️

Wake One has the guts to release MVSK, LVLY and Love On Lock and not make those songs title tracks They all have the alien feels and are all masterpieces Wtf is wrong with that company and managing Kep1er

I loved their “UP!” comeback but it was very confusing. The sound was way off their debut sound.. the space themed one. MVSK got me into the girl group. I saw a tiktok saying kpop should make more music like it. At that time it was a different and catchy sound. I just think W1 wanted to show these girls could do more than one typ of concept. Which wouldve been a great idea to show they have alot of potential, but it was just not it, the change. I believe that mustve ruined their fandom. It’s hard to stan a group that comes with a different sound every comeback. Even I had a hard time to ACTUALLY like a song, because I love these girls sm. I really want to… I’ll be sad them disbanding soon, but i’ll be happy to see them going on a new path and hopefully a better threating one. Ofcourse you’d like to see them all together again, but maybe its meant to be. Maybe they dont fit at all together. Maybe we’ll notice that once theyve redebuted or are doing other jobs like model or actress. I 🤍 kep1er tho and I’ll always support them!

I will say my peace so lol WAKEONE is not Swing Ent or Off The Record. Now saying that… MNET was pretty much in every aspect in the Produce groups. MNET was very much present when it comes to IOI, Wanna One, IZONE and X1. They were putting so much time and effort just as much to the companies who were making the songs and choreography for the Produce groups. Another thing to realize is that IOI - X1 were/are legacy groups. They all earned their titles based off thier well produced songs and iconic dances. There was seemingly meetings and good methodical ideas being created to make thier comebacks and concepts be continuous. Now saying that I would like to point out 2016-2019 was the PEAK of 3rd Gen. these years concepts were MEANT to stick a group would do a concept and just would be that concept for multiple comebacks. IOI=Cutesy Music, WannaOne=Boy to Man concept (they were more flexible), IZONE= Elegant, and X1= They were going for animal concept. Therefore we get to Kepler and ZB1 and clearly WAKEONE is lost trying to “catch” up to trends unlike the Produce Groups were trailblazing thier concepts. I think this is where people need to realize that the two Planet groups are struggling to find thier identity unlike IOI-X1 we’re setting thier identity from the beginning and really making thier concept be unique and fresh. I think WakeOne is scared to be bold I think they choose whatever is easier and “pouplar” but like look at IVE they went with the elegant sound when everyone was doing hard crush concept and now they are the biggest name in Kpop. I just think WakeOne isn’t being decisive as it should be using the fact that they have MNET legacy groups where they can use these groups to be leaders in new sounds and concepts but they are being washed out because grown ups are too scared. This is the problem in later 4th-5th gen that they are scared to be unique because there is too much/many groups and sounds that they can’t be different anymore. Even older groups are struggling with that with only staying with the trends of creating “TikTok” songs. Regardless I think WakeOne is the one who isn’t using their energy and time to make Kep1er and ZB1 unique like the Produce groups were.

I like kep1er and zb1 but wake one treats the other on better. Kep1er deserves better

I love kep1er so much and I’ll be so sad

i feel like w1 got their shit together when it came to deciding on a sound for kep1er with i do do you but at that point it was already too late bc most kpop stans refuse to even tune in to them anymore after having heard we fresh

Personally, I think that you cannot have an experimental concept, or change your concept often (like Kep1er) if you are a temporary group. It doesn’t work out. People won’t cone back, it’s fine for longer groups because they have atleast 7 years to define who they are as idols and what their group is. Temporary groups, not so much.

Kepler was gunnie pig for Mnet to test the waters, if the audience is ready post produce scandal, And it succeed in doing that, so job done for Mnet

The b sides are definitely so much better. Some of their title tracks are not bad, but when you have b sides that are ten times better, why not release those as singles instead😢

From what i know, "Doublast" means Double Blast WakeOne wants to fix all of they did saying every comeback is a new planet, i don't think IT IS OK, but it's their justification

I believe Dayeon could benefit from being in a 5 piece girlgroup, if Jellyfish don't make the same mistake they made with SeMiNa by putting them three in a 9 piece group that made them fade away. Bahyih also would benefit in a small number group, Xiaoting should go back to China and make her career there because the market is big and they pay more than korea. Yeseo and Mashiro are going to be added on Limelight, and i think Yujin will be focusing on acting. The others i don't know what's coming for them, but i think Dayeon, Bahyih, Xiaoting, Yeseo, Mashiro and Yujin are the ones who will be fine after Kepler.

I am just gonna say izone had akb48 fan to back them up. Produce48 concept was genius because their fan are so dedicated like it's crazy.

I agree that Wake One is making mistake after mistake, even if they have a strong lineup and the girls are really talented and they should at least have a blast and make Wake One give them a decent track that should catch up to they're popularity. And as well for my favorite kep1er songs are: MVSK, UP, The Girls and they're version of Pool Party, Giddy, and Back to the City

These girls really deserve the world and more. They had dreams to make it big, and they’re full of talent and hard-working. Their music being all over the place, to me, just shows they’re versatile. I love “We Fresh”. It’s edgy and rugged and raw rock pop style. Either way, I hope more people can recognize that they are talented and sweet!

It’s actually so strange how we’ve ended up here with this group. I remember so many people talking about this group and how it was going to be so amazing and interesting and another Iz*One… but now I’ve heard nothing from the general kpop fandom. Sadly, I just don’t think anyone cares about what this group does anymore because of it’s unclear concept and mid music. I feel bad for the girls, it’s very clear that the company doesn’t want anything to do with this group anymore now that more people are interested in Zerobaseone. I wish the girls the best in the future(I heard their were talks of a contract renewal, but it’s honestly not worth it because like nobody cares).

I have this thing about general music that an artist has truly made it in society if they have a series of songs (or discography) in which you can play any song at random and the public can identify who sings the song and they don't exactly have to know who the group or artist is. Like you don't have to know what Mariah Carey, Halsey, or even BTS or Twice are, but if you can tell who sung what, that's proof enough that the artist has made it. Had I not been exposed to Kep1er so much because of social media and stuff, if you gave me any random Kep1er song while I'm blindfolded, I promise you, I wouldn't be able to identify Kep1er by the first note, and that is a huge problem. You are right when you say that Kep1er's all-around identity almost doesn't exist. In fact, it flat out doesn't exist, and you can tell this is WakeOne's fault in every way possible. I don't know if this is WakeOne's revenge for what the hell happened in GP999 (I didn't watch the show, so I don't care), but their treatment of ZEROBASE1 so far is pretty much proof who WakeOne cares about more at this point. And I'm pretty sure that if ZEROBASE1 do end up getting the Kep1er treatment at some point down the line, the solo ZB1 stans are going to be pretty pissed off, especially those of Jiwoong's because Jiwoong's worked way too hard to be pushed to the side YET AGAIN.

Isnt this a commoun problem in kpop marketing? Market personas > defined music aesthetics. I am a newbie but sometimes some groups experiment a lot further then I expect like with Ive: Baddie vs am or dive. It was not what I expect from the group so it make me lose a bit of curiosity to see the next track of this era . Or with el7zup most of the program was to sell the main 4 girls talent, but barley any direction with what to expect from them musically for shooting to all sides. Versatily is great but direction and expeficity makes art stand out.

When girls planet first started and i seen the 3 Korean spots and 3 Japanese spots and 3 Chinese spots i thought they were gonna have a group of 9 with 3 from each nationality. That would definitely be a global girl group. 😅 but hey they did what they did. Lol

I honestly hope they don't extend the contract. Being in the group any longer is literally trapping them considering how the company keeps on mismanaging and seems like they have no idea what to do with the group. At least after the contract ends they could possibly have a fresh start and maybe even end up in groups that are popular in future

I agree with all that was said here, but its also not the first time mnet production has done this with the girl trial run (ioi) iois treatment and promotion contracts were trash vs the wannaone boys getting all the benefit of coming next

Kepler makes cute music, which is nice. I've liked all of their title tracks, but not enough to much more than two of them on a playlist. But honestly? I forget Kepler even exists half the time, which is a problem when you line up all of Mnet's project groups. What I'm trying to say is that Kepler could have worked if anyone on the team gave a damn. I didn’t hate Wadada, I thought it was fun. Queendom was a mistake, the girls should have been doing variety content and preparing their first comeback (but that didn't ruin their career, just set them back). I kind of feel like Kepler always came in, threw a song at us and ran away, nothing they did had a lasting impact. Someone suggested that Kepler having a storyline or "lore" would have been a really clever idea and i agree, that would have worked so well if Wakeone could have bothered. I've been thinking a lot lately that some members really might fade into obscurity without this group.

Lion Tamer i was the only streaming You, but you'll always be famous

what legacy?

hope Kep1er can still stay until 2028.

Wakeone really didn't manage the girls well at all. YESEO'S SUZUME COVER????? Bahiyyih's All in my head?? Chaehyun's Truly? THE GROUP'S WANNABE COVER????? The girls DO have a lot of vocal talent- it's just that the company chose a much stronger concept that suits Dayeon and Hikaru and nobody else.

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Hear me out, Wakeone was already negotioating for a contract extention, and i heard somewere that they want kep1er to stay because they want wakeone to grow (or something like that). Maybe they 'mismaneged' kep1er on purpose because when kep1er is not that popular the change of contract extention might increase.

Did Wakeone mistake Galileo for an artist 😂😂

IOI WANNA ONE IZ*ONE X1 kep1er ZB1 The legacy factor does come into play...

The legacy kep1ers gonna leave is being the worst produce group

I disagree with wakeone vs off the record take. Off the record was of the labels included when wakeone was formed. I would have accepted it, if you had mention Pledis CEO, who was the producer iz*one early albums.

For me kep1er is my favorite group i LOVE every song they have, but i cant understand why people hate kep1er? I think some people are yelous because they are so natural prettys and so much energy, Other people cant see the talent look ive that group have 0 talent cant dance well and only yujin have a great voice i mean that people see a juicy melón at side and the other side is a rotten melón the people choose rotten melón. They cant see the real talent. However this is not bad for the Girls because i think Big Producers are looking this Girls as a new starts the Girls have all for succes and make powerfull groups with them but the bad part is they Will be separate forver😢

"Let me guys know what you think" outro I heard that Taejiu 🤣 great vid as always tho keep it up!

So true

I just like their sound. One of my favorite groups.

I wish they extend their contracts

As a WIZ*ONE since pre-debut everything about IZ*ONE felt like an event, it felt big, it felt important, and they always delivered. Not only top notch quality content, but a whole bunch of it too. Each comeback had at least like two b-sides with choreography and stages. Concerts with special performances, and secrets like in their japanese albums (they had secret sub-units MVS iirc), they always went the extra mile. I always looked forward for the amount of performances we'd get when a comeback was near, the comeback event were always a blast, and their group growth was strong and steady, it was always entertaining to see how they developed their dynamics and roles in the group through each comeback. Being a WIZ*ONE was an incredible experience. Kep1er on the other hand had all the freaking potential goddamit, every member could've had a unique role and dynamic in the group but they kinda just butchered everything. Everything is okay quality and doesn't look put together, it looks thrown together which is different. It's just like being constantly underwhelmed, like the teasers do a good job at teasing, never forget the Troubleshooter photoshoot with Xiaoting bangs and blue highlights Youngeun, that looked promising and what we got was We Fresh, which was just fine, not huge, not an event, not what they were building up that's for sure, and I hate to take it here but it's the same sentiment of "this is not what was building up" that I felt when they first revealed the lineup on Girls Planet and I'm sorry to say it. It's like producers saw the lineup and didn't even bother trying, it's a real shame. The girls have charms and talents but they continuosly fail to give them a place in the group whether it's in performances, in MV, or you name it. So when I'm old I'm going to remember IZ*ONE always went the extra mile and that Kep1er consistently failed to deliver.