THE LEGACY OF RAGNAR BLACKMANE! HOW HE DEFEATED GHAZGHKULL THRAKA! 

Bjorn !

I do think if Russ returns, Grimnar will perish for whatever reason and Ragnar will be the Chapter Master. Seems like a matter of time to me, especially with how Grimnar seems to charge head first into battle all the time.

You’ll be painting up units of wulfen before you know it! ;)

@@watts18269 lol, already have some grey hunters

I started with the Ragnar series also. It’s a great way to get into the lore.

That's incredibly generous. I loved the books when I was in my youth but there are literally hundreds of characters across all of fiction (which is the field that you specified) with more development and depth than him.

The ending hit different

@@LemanRussx The very begining is incredible too

///they don't hold to the current standards of the black library/// How so?

@@REDRAGON12345 i feel like the setting is more established overall, the pacing seems better to me, and character development is well thought, maybe is just the writer, but in the first omnibus at least I don't see almost any development in Ragnar's character and the author repeats itself a lot, and by that i mean a lot, i remember espacially in the first book of the omnibus, when ragar is in the proces of becoming a marine, it is said countless times smth in the lines of: ragnar was impressed, but he could tell his comrades were feeling the same, that frase in every fucking new thing they discover

We’ll see how Arks of Omen plays out but it’ll probably be more like Angron or the Lion vs Ghazghkull.

I feel ya man. I always think Ghaz let it happen on purpose

If you look at it from a rules perspective I don’t this could happen.

@@bobbaganooch1099 he shouldn't have, messes with the long term narrative just to sell us a box.

@@metsteve1 not looking at it from rules but from narrative. How are you suppose to have cool antagonists when they are beaten so easily. Ghaz is the faction leader of the orkz and he can't even Krump Ragnar, how can anyone take him seriously anymore.

@@Okutox I agree with you.

Ragnar was the first character I ever knew. For some reason, in my early days, my mind latched onto him despite me knowing hardly anything about him.

Same. William King’s take on Ragnar we’re awesome. I forget the author who took over the rest of the series, but they were enjoyable, too. These books started the jump in to 40K and Horus Heresy lore, as well as Gotrek and Felix novels (bc William King’s writings were just that fun).

What Rho knows (he read the book) but didn't mention; Gazh knew he would die. He lost deliberately as part of a vision from Gork and Mork.

​@@Kristian.B.Kristiansenindeed, he only lost because he went easy on Ragnar. Wierd how Rho didn't mention that part, it is pretty obvious when you read about it. Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 11 - page 199 and 200 right after ragnar choped off Ghazghkulls head. "So this is death is it? I've had worse. I need not die. Not if i do not will it. My enemies did not die when i took their heads. Nor when i took them again. Not because they were tough. Because you did not will it. Because i did not will it. Now, i wish for death. If i did not i would not bear this wound. But what comes next; this thing that you have shown me... it is vast. It is great and violant and sacred. I will have it for myself. You showed me where to carve the path, and here, in this place, is where it narrows. This thin curtain, this death, is all that stands in my way. How frail it is. I will tear it down. I will breach its gates, as i have breached every gate before me. I will tear down its walls, as i have torn down all walls. But conquest has made my body strong. Too strong now, i see. The blood clings to my veins, and it will not cool fast enough. It defies me. So i snarl, and my anger finds voice where i should have none. If my blood will not cool, then it will burn, and i will go to you in flames. Page 200 I am moved, now. My head, held up by the hand of my enemy. It regards me, as it lifts my remains, and i regard it in turn. There is triumph in its face. This thing thinks it knows victory, in defeating me! It thinks it knows power. But for all the plate it wears, for all that had been done to make it into a thing of war, it is vermin. I study the bones beneath its skin. I see how its body is gnarled and swollen. How its whole self has been made, in the hope that it might hold out to the stars in the name of a dead god. It is a vain hope. Those stars will burn green, in the end. The vermin is dying, i see, even with such mild wounds. It is like a joke, i think, as it bares its feeble tusks. Like a poor copy of an ork, twisted together from the parts of a weaker beast. But you made us right the first time. Not even the primarchs, the peak of their dead god's work, could be as perfect as the lowest part of the great green. The anger swells, now, as the vermin holds my head up in the broken temple. And i think. That i had to die today... annoys me. But why could it not have been a primarch? That fight, i would have relished. I crave that fight. But i cannot have it, and it makes the embers of my anger glow white with rage". Plus there is this too... Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 10 - page 188 Makari's point of view of Ghazghkulls fight with Ragnar "Beset from all sides, your Prophet detonated a great store of munitions hidden in the walls, so as to cut both himself and his opponent off from the support of their warriors. He knows he must fight this combat alone. Because he has had a vision. You were there. It was his greatest vision yet, and his most violent, seizing his body as if the gods themselves had him in their jaws. He came round from it knowing that this fight was destined; that it was the narrowing he had to pass through, in order to bring about the flourishing of your Great Green. Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 10 - page 189 Makari's point of view of Ghazghkulls fight with Ragnar. "The prophet curls his lips back from fangs as long as your arms, and in a voice as thick and black as the spilled hydraulic fluid at his feet, he taunts Blackmane in the tounge of men. 'Finish this.' It is a command for an ending' but the ork who speaks for the gods sounds more as if he is impatient for something to begin. Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 10 - page 191 Makari's point of view after Ghazghkulls death. "Your vision is fading fast. But before it goes entierly, you see one last vision as you gaze involuntarily up the steps of the dias. Ragnar is standing shakily on the ruin of the prophet, with a ghastly rent in his chest. He is swaying, barely keeping his feet beneath him. In one hand, he holds aloft the head of Ghazghkull Thraka. And before the green rises up from the black to take you, you see that your master's tusks are set in a great, triumphant grin, and you know that all will be well.

He then went to 😌 because in the thoughts of makari "And before the green rises up from the black to take you, you see that your master's tusks are set in a great, triumphant grin, and you know that all will be well."

Fat chance, greenskins. Fenrys Hjolda!

Not quite. Ghazghkull definitely gave it his all in that fight. He knew “thingz wuz gonna end” but he didn’t just throw the fight or “lose deliberately.”

@@madminute8249 It is the very clear implication from his internal monologue in the novel.

@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Ghaz throwing the fight was not implied at all in his monologue or in any of his dialogue in the Saga of the Beast audiobook. Quite the opposite when he expressed his rage that his own blood clung to his veins and refused to cool and when Grotsnik tried to intervene. Ghazghkull is a fighter to the very end, as the ultimate Ork should be, since Orks are made for fighting and GW’s writing has suggested nothing less. Everything else is correct about him setting up the fight and his faith being rewarded when he died but he isn’t Orkoid Jesus, just turning the other cheek, until he’s slain. He was fated to fight and die, so he faced it on his own terms rather than run from it.

​@@madminute8249really? Id have to dissagree with you there, it is quite obvious to me that he went easy on Ragnar, just read this. Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 11 - page 199 and 200 right after ragnar choped off Ghazghkulls head. "So this is death is it? I've had worse. I need not die. Not if i do not will it. My enemies did not die when i took their heads. Nor when i took them again. Not because they were tough. Because you did not will it. Because i did not will it. Now, i wish for death. If i did not i would not bear this wound. But what comes next; this thing that you have shown me... it is vast. It is great and violant and sacred. I will have it for myself. You showed me where to carve the path, and here, in this place, is where it narrows. This thin curtain, this death, is all that stands in my way. He says himself that he wishes for death, and that if he did not, he would not bear his would (AKA his head being severed from his body) How frail it is. I will tear it down. I will breach its gates, as i have breached every gate before me. I will tear down its walls, as i have torn down all walls. But conquest has made my body strong. Too strong now, i see. The blood clings to my veins, and it will not cool fast enough. It defies me. So i snarl, and my anger finds voice where i should have none. If my blood will not cool, then it will burn, and i will go to you in flames. Page 200 I am moved, now. My head, held up by the hand of my enemy. It regards me, as it lifts my remains, and i regard it in turn. There is triumph in its face. This thing thinks it knows victory, in defeating me! It thinks it knows power. But for all the plate it wears, for all that had been done to make it into a thing of war, it is vermin. I study the bones beneath its skin. I see how its body is gnarled and swollen. How its whole self has been made, in the hope that it might hold out to the stars in the name of a dead god. It is a vain hope. Those stars will burn green, in the end. The vermin is dying, i see, even with such mild wounds. It is like a joke, i think, as it bares its feeble tusks. Like a poor copy of an ork, twisted together from the parts of a weaker beast. But you made us right the first time. Not even the primarchs, the peak of their dead god's work, could be as perfect as the lowest part of the great green. The anger swells, now, as the vermin holds my head up in the broken temple. And i think. That i had to die today... annoys me. But why could it not have been a primarch? That fight, i would have relished. I crave that fight. But i cannot have it, and it makes the embers of my anger glow white with rage". Here he is mocking Ragnar several times for his weakness, and that it thinks it is victorious. For gods sake he even calls him vermin, does that sound like a warrior regarding another warroir of their equal? Especially when that warrior is an ork. Plus there is this too... Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 10 - page 188 Makari's point of view of Ghazghkulls fight with Ragnar "Beset from all sides, your Prophet detonated a great store of munitions hidden in the walls, so as to cut both himself and his opponent off from the support of their warriors. He knows he must fight this combat alone. Because he has had a vision. You were there. It was his greatest vision yet, and his most violent, seizing his body as if the gods themselves had him in their jaws. He came round from it knowing that this fight was destined; that it was the narrowing he had to pass through, in order to bring about the flourishing of your Great Green. Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 10 - page 189 Makari's point of view of Ghazghkulls fight with Ragnar. "The prophet curls his lips back from fangs as long as your arms, and in a voice as thick and black as the spilled hydraulic fluid at his feet, he taunts Blackmane in the tounge of men. 'Finish this.' It is a command for an ending' but the ork who speaks for the gods sounds more as if he is impatient for something to begin. If Ghazghkull did not want to die, and wanted to kill Ragnar, then why would he roar at Ragnar to finish the fight? To me that can only indicate that he is tired of his duel with Ragnar, and that he has not finished Ghazghkull off already. Why else would he say this with anticipation? He knows that he must die on Krongar, as he himself said, and he also knows that Ragnar must be the one to kill him, something he is very frustrated with, since he would much rather fight and die to a primarch. Of course beeing the loyal and faithfull Prophet that he is hw allows Ragnar to slay him, though obiously not letting the young wolf do so without getting a good beating himself, even if it is a very mild beating to Ghazghkulls standards. Finally, he knows that if Ragnar should kill him on Krongar, then the Great WAAAGH!!! can finally begin. Ghazghkull Thraka Prophet of the WAAAGH - chapter 10 - page 191 Makari's point of view after Ghazghkulls death. "Your vision is fading fast. But before it goes entierly, you see one last vision as you gaze involuntarily up the steps of the dias. Ragnar is standing shakily on the ruin of the prophet, with a ghastly rent in his chest. He is swaying, barely keeping his feet beneath him. In one hand, he holds aloft the head of Ghazghkull Thraka. And before the green rises up from the black to take you, you see that your master's tusks are set in a great, triumphant grin, and you know that all will be well. If Ghazghkull did not want to die, then why would he smile with satisfaction as Ragnar choped of his head. He does so because the prophecy Gork and Mork have revealed to him has now finally been fulfilled, and his Great WAAAGH!!! May now begin.

Plot armor basically

There's seems to be 2 ways to become primaris. Just doing it like Helbrecht did, as some sort of spiritual trail. Or get mortally wounded- which kind of takes away from the point of the Dreadnoughts imo. Edit* Not that I think wolves need more dreads....

@@Doriantheloreian when everybody’s Primaris there’s no way to cross the Rubicon so they have to become dreadnoughts. That’s my theory on GW’s firstborn displacement strategy.

@@LysimedVenteel that checks out. I wonder if they will pull anyone out of a dreadnought to cross the rubicon- or just move the coffins into larger primaris chassis.

Totally agree, he should have mopped the floor with that little pup

Gazkhul was not a prime ork or the beast-level ork entity Ragnar is no primarch-level space marine So exactly how is terrible writing the reason ?

@@adarshkrishnan7941 Biggest Ork leader vs random named space marine. Extremely cringe take by the writers and just shows their preference for space marines.

Eh, new Ghazghkull model dropped so it wasn’t that much of an L and Ghazghkull definitely got stronger since then. Profit of the Waaagh! seems to be hinted at fighting Angron so he’s moved up the ladder by a bit clearly

Ragnar has never been written very well all the way back to the old days.

It means becoming Primaris.

Possibly but doubtful beyond just driving Ghazghkull off. Ghaz has been bumped to the big leagues now, so the only Custodes with a real chance would probably be Valdor.

Well at least there are not many stories that I've read about the Wolves where they don't appear to be idiots - with Russ being the biggest fool.