The Legend of Phosphoru 

Greed reads the patch notes, the wagons have "heavy siege" armor, which villagers do an extra six damage against.

Once upon a time, a great man said: "Celt eat TC", and now, five years later, we have this.

I used to watch ESPN's 30/30 sports documentaries but now all I watch is T90's legend videos.

When showing multiple games like this the speed up is very welcome.

Looking forwards to The Legend of Mr. Greed which is just a montage of the unfortunate chap losing to every other Legend. In this video I liked the fast forwarding and the scout's funeral sound.

White Phosphorus is a true legend. A guy with 1.6k ELO skill able to raise to 2k+ by just coming up with crazy stuff. The Roman strat, improving the YouPudding one, and now this. I hope devs are not too fast to nerf things, let people try to figure things out for a bit first. And please, DON'T nerf the market, ever. Otherwise just remove all units and force everyone to play knights or xbows

The reason wagons were “bad” was because you could “ghost” your shot if you canceled it too early. It was bad to micro, which needed to be changed. I think the un-usability of it was confused for the unviability of it

Well done, Villagers

White Phosphoru definitely deserved his legend video, congrats. Keep up the great content about these exciting new strat developments T90, thanks!

HOLY CRAP, THIS GUY!! I played this guy 6 times when I was between 1150-1250 elo when he would use only Japanese. He used to go suuuper hard in feudal with tons of Men at Arms, and I ended up beating him 4/6 times after I started recognizing his name because I would just make a tower between a wood line and a gold and it would mess him up. So crazy to see him being featured as a HIGH elo legend now because now that long ago he was 1200

Well done villagers! There will be no context.

Well done villagers! On another note: I don't think it's a "One trick pony", because of the variety in it. Sure, they're all All-In strats, but that's a playstyle, and White Phosphoru has proven, that he's able to play that with several civs now. Also, I'm happy those players are able to get so much elo from it, because that reduces the chances of me running into them (if I ever find the time to play again, that is) :D Oh and PS: the description has the wrong link for the "Evolving Already" video.

the fact that he analyzed the weakness of his strat and adapted it to another civ/unit and continued to rise elo shows that he deserves to be up at that elo.

tried the white phosphoru sicilian strat and walked into white phosphoru bohemians strat....

i think both youpudding and phosphoru's strats show that the community really undervalues high quality units, compared to high numbers of weaker/cheaper units

In the second game, blue had stabilized but then sent his two mangonels forward against an all-in that was still going. He had nothing being built behind it yet because his eco hadn't really started back up, and he couldn't afford the losses of the mangonels. That killed him. If he kept them at home and simply focused on surviving the next wave, he should have won.

THE CONSPIRACY IS REAL TheViper and Hera with the Dravidians drama YouPudding and White Phosphoru with Sicilians serjeant rush YouPudding with Romans siege rush White Phosphoru with Bohemians wagon rush All the pros and T90 are in on it, supported by Microsoft to increase AoE2 DLC sales. Prove me wrong. (this is joke btw) (but is it tho)

those 2 mangos taking out 6 food trucks was great

The pudding videos brought me back to aoe2 after a long break. Excited to face up against it, I queued up with Bohemians to go fc wagons. First game back my opponent was Sicilians. Most fun game of my life 11

This reminds me of the early days of everyone learning the Hoang rush. Love all the strats this community continues to discover

This is peak aoe2 what a time to be alive

Loving these videos man, keep up the great work. I love seeing these strats and attempts of people trying things against them. Also loving the format you have been doing with speeding things up and slowing back at key moments.

t90, loving the coverage of these sagas. Amazing that a low elo player can rise so high with such crative strats. Keep these vids coming!

The Hussites utilized early gunpowder to great effect on the battlefield, and developed an early form of howitzer. Before them, at least in Europe, gunpowder weapons were siege weapons, or individuals armed with early hand-cannons. Hussites placed hand-cannons plus crossbowmen and pikemen in covered wagons, and created a circle fort in battle, bristling with guns. They defeated several crusades sent against them, to the point that the Pope actually negotiated with them and compromised, allowing them back into the church with their particular religious beliefs. Unheard of at the time.

Seems to me that just going scouts (or feudal eagles for meso civs) would likely be a decent answer to this. For the 800 food it takes to go castle age, you could get bloodlines and ~7 scouts. Once the push with wagons is undercut, then you can go castle age, since your food eco should be good. Other units just aren't going to cut it unless you get a fast age-up yourself to go into defensive mangonels. In game 1, Greed likely could have turned things around if, instead of cutting production and going castle age, he'd stayed Feudal longer and kept up scout production to protect his eco, then gone castle age later when his eco was stronger and he had enough scouts to handle the wagons. Unlike against Sergeants, scouts do just fine vs the wagons, and they have the speed to run them down. In the second game, if the opponent hadn't moved out with their 2 mangonels and let them get picked off, they probably would have been able to win as well. Losing those 2 mangonels really cost them by letting the wagons pressure their eco again. You can also recognize the strat if you see the castle age score dip so early to make the reaction easier.

I love when you show multiple games and strategy development it's so cool!

I’ve been doing the same thing for a while at wayyy lower elo on arena, and way les refined. I was also inspired by the gold league matches with bohemians and think that this is really the only place for the wagons, as an all in unkillable early unit

In theory tightly timed rushes can counter this, but the thing that makes it so hard is that mangonels and rams are both slower than Hussite wagons. In theory if rams could catch the wagons they would counter them, but they can't without infantry garrison. Mangonels can hit, but you need to attack ground well to hit, and the wagons cost 180 resources vs the 235 of rams and the 295 of mangonels. Thanks to multiple projectiles and a bonus against rams, they do 8 damage per volley against them (and they can't really miss) and it takes a mere 5 wagon volleys kill a mangonel. If you get the mangonel out first, it could win, but equal resources, a moved into each other, the wagons win. And you can kite the rams forever. They can do 13 damage a volley against scouts, with 4x the health, so I think they may well trade cost effectively with them as well. Edit: I forgot to factor in bloodlines. If you open with a scout rush, you can win with fully upgraded scouts if you go all in.

Love this format of showing multiple games. It adds to the channel. Thanks for all your hard work ❤

Thanks for making these creative strategy videos T90!! It got me back to playing the game after like 5 months. First game I queued up I used this strategy and won lmao. Second game though someone beat me doing fc inca eagle warriors.

White Phosporu reminds me so much of _CX_youwei who did basically the same with Spanish and Conquistadors years ago almost every game. Fast Castle, build a castle. Mostly on gold, no farms, idle tc, buy food and raid with conqs. But conqs are weak vs. towers while hussite wagons are not.

Great coverage! These are the things that keep this game so refreshing and new to play, even though it's older than I am. These are the people and the strats we need to keep this game going! Blue's name in game 3 is pronounced as "Chen" by the way! It means dawn or morning or is a surname. Keep up the amazing work T90!

Hussites used wagons first as a platform to be above the knightes, latter made the wagons a shouting platform, but used mainly arrows for it. 1 or 2 early guns places inside each wagon were big, massive, and had a long time for charging, powder was quite difficult to find. bows and arbalests were much faster to use and arrows were less expansive. but the powder weapon had a power to hurm through the plates and chains, so it were used as well. main target of wagon team were knights, as a main enemy of Hussite religies move.

I neverrrrrr comment on youtube stuff. But please please, keep covering this stuff. I love his strats and just trying them out expands my game so much. I love the creativity and I'm just waiting for this kind of videos all the time!!

Anyone else thinking T90's building to a Hidden Cup 5 reveal??

These wagons have "heavy siege" armor class. So fun fact. Villagers get +6 attack against them 11

I know you said you REALLY don't want to know what my situation is in regards to seating (6:50) but I'm sitting in my work vehicle and already had my seatbelt on so well and truly buckled in before you told me to :D

Absolutely love it when creativity and doing your homework are able to overcome raw skill. Bravo WP, bravo.

Tristan talking about people listening to his videos who are in bed about to fall asleep as I'm in bed about to fall asleep lol.

White phosphoru def. deserves his own legend status. I mean "legend of youpudding 3" is basically him. And even doe his ideas are based on the one of you pudding, he took it onto another level.

i love how war wagons are like little buses with high caliber firepower gently strolling around shootin peeps

Historically, hussite wagons were not some unique "unit" but more like whole battle and campain strategy. It was in the time of hussite revolution in Bohemia (attemt of religious reformation, that ended up defending against multiple crusades from rest of Euroe - succesfully). Hussites consisted mostly from peasants, city militias and low nobility, and they could not compete with amount of heavy knights in oposing armies. So they started to use wagons as some type of portable walls. Their armies took loads of them on their campains, chained them together around themselves before battle (or as a line in some chokepoint) and standed on top of them with spears, halberds, flails, crosbows and early firearms. There used to be be even canons between the wagons. So it looked and was used very differenly than here in AoE (but still it´s nice to see it). It was very efective against heavy cavaly charges (which ruled medieval battles in that region in that time). So efective, that at the end of hussite wars, both sides used them. As an author of this tactic is considered Jan Žižka (although that is a bit simplified). He was quite genius leader and didn´t lose single battle. Probably most famous military leader here in Bohemia through all history.

I would love a series of watching you master these strategies

i really like these style videos you been doing, following cool players, keep it up

Getting home after a long day at work, just to find out that there's another crazy strat my by The Legend, made possible to see it by another Legend! Luv it! And yes, it's good content, and a good idea to show multiple games as well, T90! Thank you for existing!

Wow these strats are truly unique and amazing !!!@T90 Wonder if a full commit to walling big (even stone walls)as when you see the opponent's market + blacksmith in early feudal age is feasible. Rewall like a mad man when the food trucks arrive...hopefully initial feudal army prevents the forward castle and by the time he has rams and breaks in there are 20 scouts with upgrades on the field😅.

Cant wait to get home and watch this!

Thank you for this wonderful content T90, we love you man, please keep it up! ❤

very nice selection of games! love it! :)

T90, the 49:23 game vs RUGNAME is the sicilian fast castle vs bohemian fast castle, that game was insane, the meme strategies against each other

In the last one, it seems like a defensive castle would have been far better. The key is not damaging an all-in player's eco (usually), but minimizing damage and out-booming him. Especially this strat and youpudding, they don't need much eco once in castle age, and they can protect it pretty easily. That said, it's always easier to make the right call with full vision while spectating. ;)

That's cool a few games with the same strat to see how it goes in various situations, nice stuff

The wagons are so silly, irl they have a horse in front dragging them, but here they just have a castle age automobile engine making the wheels turn lmao

Crazy how 1 guy and a semi friendship has changed expectations at the top of the ladder.

Well done villagers 👏

Im pretty sure the bohemians rock to a song thats a rhapsody 😂

Since you wanted to know, im sitting in front of my PC and eating mac n cheese.

I love Arabia with Bamboo stragglers and autumn oak patches.

thanks for all the content t90!

I always fall asleep to T90 content I lay in bed and look and the next thing I know I’m asleep. Then I have to rewatch and do the same thing again

Give us more Meta destroying strategies!

"are you guys ok with this?" yes I love these kinds of vids

Hussite wagons are very well known in bohemia and near nations. Hussites with their wagons beat like 4 or 5 crusades against bohemia kingdom. They never lost until they started infiting. Cav didnt work, knights didnt work, archers didnt work. I encurage you to read of it history, its truly fascinating

This is a really old arena castle drop build. Nice to see someone doing this on arabia

Well done, villagers.

Looks like a TheViper Mastapiece for me just in a more „All In“ fashion :)

White Phosphoru, the Mad Lad of unique units. Cheeky!

I am just wondering if Magyar/Mongol/Meso-American civ eagles will be any good as hard counters for this since all of them are good at getting to castle quick and ruin siege strats, maybe even Gurjaras w/ Shrivamsha riders.

I weirdly enough can see persian elephant destroying that if you can get just one or two

It may be a hot take, but I actually really like the hussite wagon at my elo, it can be very hard to do mid-game

i would watch t90 white phosphoru tribute gameplay

I spent around 12 hours playing this yesterday. The best ways to deal with it are with strategic use of vils and mangoes. Monks also have good potential.

I want every civ in the game to have a variation on this motive. Fast castle single unit rush that is difficult to counter if you play regular meta. These games are really fun. I hope Pudding and White Phosphoru find more of these build orders.

Well done villagers

I hope this is a changing in the meta for real. Take the last game, I believe that if blue plays as WhiPho does since placing the Castle (i.e. castle to protect wood and gold, don't create more vills, produce a tons of mangonels) it could definitely have a shot. It is not the civ (or, better, not only) it is also the way the game is seen.

Hey T90, are replays of Multiplayer games made automatically or is it something you have to manually enable/choose. I ask because there was recently and AoE 2 game played by some of the Hololive girls that was livestreamed, and it'd be fun to hear your critique of them

What if you wanted to have good eco, but god said: that's one chunky boi rollin into your base

26:00 How the fuck did he get 10? Extremely OP early game. Thank God Youpudding started this mini Renaissance

Well done villagers I'll say.

Well done villagers with no additional context.

dont come knockin' when the Hus Wagon's rockin'

I've always wondered why villagers aren't used for defense more. This confirms it can be pretty effective, they were tearing those wagons apart. Way better than cowering in the town center and losing that first. Still lost, but if they'd been supported with just a little army I think he could have come back. Archers was the (understandable) mistake.

2000+ elo soykacks: NOOO! You can't do that! Phosphoru: Amma build Armored Personnel Carriers into this 20 years old game.

Legend still rolling with gbetos atm. He's red phosphoru now.

Well done villagers with no additional context

Doing Mr Greed dirty again! 😆

48:20 t90 actively trying to keep all-in-players away from his elo by revealing their strats :)

Was rushing wagons not a thing? I've done it a bunch of times it fun and overwhelming if you can pull it off. Knights are really the counter for it. So a small monk follow up helps a ton.

Well done villagers!

Would be funny if phosphoru ends up developing 5 or 6 different all-in strats down the line and just cycles through them all

16:55 Whats that website called? Would be cool if you link helpful stuff when you mention it :/

Don't go a knockin' when the wagon is rocking!

Couldn't help but think if your need seige early to counter such an attack why not go early ram rush with Cumins as they get seige workshop at second age,.despite not having magonels early you still have rams which can apply pressure to the early castle drop if you drop a seige shop not far from it

34:15 idk man you can do that and left the tc producing with food and more food so even if you're doing this there's still room to not completely stall. you put a few extra vils on wood to produce more houses and ggs the attack is the same but food is growing in the bg. like I know it's a lot more to do, but that feels like it got a lot of potential.

i just tried it at low elo and its awesome, had lower score the whole game but constant stream of hussite wagons was too much for my opponent

Can't wait for theViper to troll Yo and Matador with this strat

These games remind me of AOE II all over again, prior the Archery- Boom era, finally some strategy.

I wonder what would have happened if mr greed would have recognized the need for gold and went kind of counter all in, towers on the enemy gold, send vills to wood and sell it untill its basically worthless. If my theory is correct you'd be able to slow enemy army production to a point where one of the following happens: 1. He needs to go out of the safety of his castle to mine stone 2. He needs to stop chopping wood as much and start farming either to sell it or switch to different army 3. He needs to mine stone for another castle or sell it for army 4. He needs to just keep trying even when he sells 100 for 14 and somehow hope for the best 5. Try to get back into the game with rebooming 5 and 4 might as well say 'hope enemy disconects' so lets forget about them. 3 and 1 will leave your vills exposed and if everything goes as I theorize and the all in player actually gets to this point its because he can't mass enough army so leaving his base will leave his limited vills exposed to your army 2 will still be inefficient as you need farming space and you can only sell so much food before its worthless. So tldr; Already forward vills deny gold with towers, go all in army yourslef, deny gold with everything you got, sell wood to inflate the exchange rate, survive untill wood sells for pennys puting your enemy into check mate

I'm in bed and sick. Thanks for caring, T90.

I don't think that nerfing their HP is the way to go if the devs want to address this. If Bohemian all ins using Hussite wagons really becomes a major issue, then just give towers and TCs a bonus vs Heavy Siege. The heavy siege armor class is only on 2 units (hussite wagon and Ballista elephant, but Ballista elephants have 20 armor in that category, so adding ~4-5 bonus for towers/TCs wouldn't effect them, only the wagons.) This would mean that hussite wagons could no longer just dive TCs or towers with impunity, making their opponents eco completely idle for minutes as they take 1 damage from towers/tcs (even with fletching/bodkin), and a player could potentially defend with towers instead of getting rolled by a blind all in