The Legend of the Edmund Fitzgerald: 20 years later | WTOL 11 Vault - Nov. 26, 1995 

What you said! I have gone down the rabbit hole big time since I recently found out about this. What you said goes exactly as my favorite video on it says too.

I've seen the Arther Anderson in person getting repairs in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin. Still looks like a capable laker.

I’m from superior wi. Anderson is always in port still, she’s still chugging alone!

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I can’t even imagine how heartbreaking it has been for your dad. I have so much respect for people that do these kinds of work. To risk your life to support your family really makes me look at some people so differently. My condolences to your dad, and also your entire family. Just a terrible tragedy😢

The whole country mourned w/you 🇺🇸

I’m from Superior, WI. My dad worked for BNSF at that Taconite facility they left from. My grandfather passed and is at peace, weird how things kinda worked…

Glad to see you on there Capt Darrell!

This may seem obvious but then you must go and listen to Gordon Lightfoot's song and although most of it is understandable by listening get the lyrics online to follow along. I've listened to it hundreds of times and it's still difficult to listen to without crying.

The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald, Gordon Lightfoot. He tells the story. God bless his soul

I noticed that also. I consider that a curious omission.

I like to think that their restoration of the bell and frame was done out of respect?

@JayYoung-ro3vu very possible. I would have preferred it to be displayed in its "as found" condition. Just my opinion!

@@zfactortedzabel9267 I can agree to your viewpoint. Have you ever seen a Titanic exhibit? Not one of those items are "as found". They have been conserved in some way. Polishing the bell and painting its frame could be seen similarly?

@JayYoung-ro3vu no. I haven't, but it doesn't surprise me that these have been cleaned for preservation. The majority of viewers probably prefer the new look.

Yup I still believe so

I really hope so. It is so disrespectful to take pictures/video of these incredible people that lost their lives in such an unfortunate way. I would think that most people would automatically think that but…I’m obviously wrong. I get diving on a shipwreck. Definitely not a resting place for people still in the wreck. The families have to be crushed over this.

@@stephanieann622 Why do they go over ever last piece of aircraft when they crash? Aren't they final resting places also? My opinion is they don't want the public or insurance companies find out the real reason the ship sunk.

Thank you for that information re. the taconite factor I never knew.

I'd recently read this about the taconite, and it makes sense of why it sank so fast.

Nearly a half century ago, after Watergate, but before the USA Bicentennial.

'95 is "20 years after," not when the vessel sank, the title is a little ambiguous.

(6:08) Gravity speed the hull up to 32 mph before impact, double normal cruise speed. The bow buckled upon impact. A portion (less than 10% hull length) may look like bellows of an accordion. Corrugation, such as corrugated cardboard is a novel description. The ship 729' long, built to the Saint Lawrence Sea canal capacity, was 154' less than the 883' the Titanic, which wouldn't fit. The bulkheads, 3 rather than the normal 5, weren't solid, whether rusted or not, they wouldn't inhibit the sloshing of the water in the hold, below deck. 14:24 Check the transcript. It mentions the bulkhead was a Screen Bulk Kit. You know ship terminology better than I, and the transcripts are literal transcribed. So, the speaker's diction & recording sound quality affect what's noted. 💡Two 50 person life boats is transcribed as 250.

Yes, if that picture they use to click on is the actual Fitzgerald. It looks like a big wave went over the front of the ship. With it taking on water and the iron ore, it went straight to the bottom. I remember hearing about it on the news I was only 5, but my parents watched the news after we ate dinner. Then Gordon Lightfoot wrote the song. So, you pretty much grew up with this tragedy.

It was functional pre- 1958.

-linfergusson 8702: it absolutely is and a publicity stunt. The families didn't care about putting the diver who retrieved it in danger, which he was. That produced several documentaries. They seem determined to mine the tragedy as long as they can.

@@user-ds2cg1cg1mWho is “they?” The families were very articulate regarding their wishes which were respected to the extent feasible. They were and remain quite capable of speaking for themselves.

Wow, I am sensing some hurt feelings in this. Sometimes it also accompanies grief. I don’t get the feeling that the families are looking for media exposure or attention at all. My dad has passed as well, and the first thing I thought of was how I would react if someone was down in his grave taking pictures of his face. I would be absolutely devastated. That’s an image that nobody should see of their loved one. I am sorry for the loss of your father. I send my deepest sympathy. Don’t let the anger consume you and maybe try and understand how others can view things differently. We all grieve in our own way but I don’t think video or pictures of the dead are necessary for anything positive. Have a blessed day.

Your father served in war so your assertion is a false equivalency. None of us have the right nor should we speculate regarding the grief process of others or how it’s expressed. In fact, *your comment is the most arrogant and disrespectful in this section.* Shame on you. You have most clumsily morphed a tragedy that clearly has nothing to do with you into your own “whiney” dissertation about your “Daddy.” This is what happens when one lives in a hermetically sealed bubble of terminal self-absorption. I’m embarrassed on behalf of your “Daddy.”

@tundrawomansays694: You are missing the point, which is that these people are demanding, and receiving, special treatment; that is what I find amazing. And as far as special attention some of them were frequently obliging, if not eager, about interviews. There is the case of the Kamloops. The difference is that no one knew exactly where she sank and it was not discovered for years, I am assuming immediate family members had died. There are bodies on it in the engine room, I believe, and people dive on that as they wish. I did not suggest, nor have I heard, that photos of the Fitzgerald crew were being taken. If the families were concerned when it was revealed there were bodies in and around the wreck, they could have demanded retrieval and buried them; rather than making a fetish of the bell. There are thousands of wrecks known and unknown on the bottoms of the lakes. I have no problems about my father's service. He served from 1923 to 1954 and retired as an officer. He died peacefully in bed at age 84. He chose to die and requested a DNR order at the hospital. More than 1000 sailors were entombed in the Arizona, and their families would have been considered looney had they demanded recovery. It does have a nice shrine over it. Men were alive in the capsized Oklahoma and continued tapping for rescue for weeks until their air ran out. They were too deep in the ship to reach, too many decks to cut through and possibility of flooding compartment they were in, although holes were cut in some capsized ships and a few were rescued. I find and was just reading an article about other nations feeling the same, that Americans are overly obsessed with death rituals. I have made arrangements for my body to go to a body farm when I die. It's the closest I can get to Tibetan Sky Burial in a country ruled by zealots and the massive funeral businesses' lobbyists. A cheap funeral runs $6000 to $7000, which I find obscene. Most are $10,000 to $20,000. Just dump me under a tree in a field for bugs, birds, and rodents and I'll be happy. It's just the cycle of life, you know. I doubt there's lots left of the Fitzgerald crew. Although bones in fresh cold water last a long time. There was a ship that went down in the St . Lawrence River making way to the Atlantic in the early 20th or late 19th century thst there's a documentary about on RU-vid. There's a museum consisting entirely of relics brought up from her wreck. There's also film taken by a diver which shows bones on the deck. Salt water dissolves bones. She may have sunk earlier than I said. Not sure and can't remember her name. It's a very dangerous dive.

None of you have any idea what it’s like to lose a family member to the sea on a merchant ship like the Fitz or you wouldn’t be so quick to judge. The bell is the voice of any ship, and easier to bring up than remains. The site is off limits now as it should be.

They should leave the ship where it is and raise the minimum wage instead.

Why ???

@@brianferguson7840 yea

@@Jophlo78 nah

Possible hull fracture on a shoal near Caribou Island, McSorley took a route closer to the shoreline than the Arthur Anderson. Also McSorley requested a Coast Guard inspection of the Ship but neither Canadian or U.S. Guard Cutter for the area was operational this afternoon...

But people don't steal bits broken off the gravestones. That is what always happens when diving is allowed on maritime graves. Imagine if someone stole your grannies wedding ring out of her grave as a souvenir !

If you don't know English, but your comment in your first language. Otherwise, proof read or copy text & have it read aloud. "so full of h e r" Really?🤔 There were 20 months of investigation during Presidents Ford & Carter's administration. Watch the beginning, again.😮

13:00 20 months investigation done.

I don't think you have a clue of what you're talking about. You're talking nonsense. There's nothing else to learn from the Fitz. We already know how not to let something like that happen, we always did.

That’s where all lost sailors rest.

I understand the bell of the cathedral was rung 30 times this year, one in memory of Gordon Lightfoot.

And supposing some of the recovery team died attempting to recover the remains. If there is indeed any remains left in the wreck ??

LadyOaks, navies have services for servicemen, it is in their prayer book. Surviving members of the USS Arizona are permitted to have their remains placed to rest with their shipmates.

And what do say to few remaining World War II sailors age 99 to 100+ that wish to be laid to rest aside of their fallen brethren of the U.S.S. Arizona in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii? Or what about the H.M.S. Titanic that went down in 1912?

Actually they're spending money trying to solve the mystery....

Did you know him?

@@pt68picaso The oiler, Tom Benson was my first roommate in college who went down on the Fitz. As far as the captain I can say I never had the displeasure of knowing him.

Good thing you liked your own comment because nobody else will. There is not one shred of evidence despite all of the analysis of this incident to support your statement.

I’ll give you a shred of evidence: Him and the other jerk of a captain on the Anderson were the only people out there. Everyone else had gotten and read the mayfour and were laying too. He was over loaded in comparisons to all the other trips made that year and his bonus was based on the tonnage that he hauled that year. Let’s be honest, with all his experience and the knowledge of the condition of his motor vessel he put himself and his crew in harms way. You did not lose any of your friends because of his bad decision, I did! All because of his bad decision and greed. Do you know anyone else besides him and the idiot on the Anderson that was out there. Please don’t count anyone who was hiding behind any islands. The fact that he went out into these known conditions supports my argument that his greed killed himself and his crew.