about the question about Cambodia , why do people always think Vietnam bullied Cambodia? The khmer empire and other Cambodian empires were the largest most powerful brutal empires in South East Asia , pretty much on the same level as China , while Vietnam were extremely tiny weak buffer zone between two Asian giants. Just because the Khmer empire collapsed and Vietnam conquered some lands didnt mean the Khmer were nice kind and weak oppressed people , in facts, the Khmer and Champa conquered burned down Ha noi numerous times in history and enslaved all prisoners . similar comparison would probably be Russia and China bully Mongol empires , or Poland ,Ukraine bully Germany / Soviet Russia , because their lands were parts of the later empires.
"lady of the lake" and "turtle of the lake" stories, the similarity is freaking nut. The advancement of the bronze tools and weapons created during those periods making it even wilder than one can imagine. This proves that the chinese had stole Vietnam culture and history for over 1000 years. damn those chinese...
There is a widely circulated joke in China that North China has always belonged to Korea and South China has always belonged to Vietnam. For the past five thousand years, Chinese people have been living in the Yangtze River, and Chinese are grateful to the Koreans and Vietnamese for giving such a large territory to the Chinese people for free in modern times.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No. The Chinese had a writing system. With writing, you can record information and gain knowledge and further advancement. No sane Vietnamese will say that Tet was stolen by Chinese, or Vietnamese Chu Nom was stolen by Chinese. If anything, this professor is saying the opposite where a lot of Chinese influence spread to Vietnam, Korea, Japan - for example chopsticks.
@@DucaTech When you stole from others, it doesn't matter how long you try to hide from it history has a way to reveal the truth. For example most recently, the Chinese trying to steal the Ao Dai from the Vietnamese. So it doesn't matter what you chinese say, a thieve is always a thieve...
@@po350 No one wants to steal the ugly ao dai.Moreover, Ao Dai was originally a product of Vietnamese imitating Qing Dynasty clothing.Just like Korean traditional clothing is a product of imitating Hanfu.China is far more famous than Vietnam and no one cares about your rudimentary culture.
His English language is very well! How ever, about Việt Nam 's history which he acknowledge what was from the book. Therefore, after the Chinese invaded and gorvents us the Vietnamese until today, most about us are not truiies. The only true is us the Viet Nam still under control of the Chinese...!
Perhaps look into the culture of the Muong people to see any parallels into the ancient Viet culture. The Muong resisted Chinese influence and remained isolated to Chinese culture. You can see theirs houses are on stilts similar to the motivs of the Dong Son Drum.
Your comprehensive research on Ancient Vietnam is truly impressive. I’ve learned so much today. Your hard work and dedication are greatly appreciated. Please accept my sincere thanks.
I mean he didn't talk about the turtle gave king An Duong Vuong the claw to made genius crossbow trigger that every time the North enemy arrives he just pulled the trigger with only one arrow and as soon as the arrow came out of crossbow it multiple the arrow to thousands of thousand other arrow to kill the enemy . it's seem like the turtle gave him an alien technology of some kind of device that people might misunderstood then
Because half of An Dương Vương story and 18 Hùng Kings from 2885 BC to 600BC are Legacy. That’s why he didn’t mention it. Stories like this just passed by mouth through out all the generations from the past till now But some sources from China history book does say Hùng King and An Dương Vương king do exist in the South and the Qin dynasty tried to take the North Vietnam and failed many times. There’s a version of the crossbow which is a replica crossbow in Cổ Loa museum - Cổ Loa Citadel - Đông Anh Town Hà Nội (15km away from the Old quarter).
Thank you Professor for researching our histories. Not many out there and I am sharing with my children, mixed Scottish (Alexander), Hungarians Vietnamese..but I do not look or act Vietnamese, so curious why I am so different. My ancestors is Dangs and Nguyens. Appreciated this awesome intro.
Love your speech, Senior [Ong] Kim. We like your anthropological language. Mine of Great Grandfather, who was white and great-grandmother, who was of Truong (Vietnamese General of the ancestry). I touched the decimation from the European comugne. We love the hogs (Vietnamese called heo [hĕv]). My mother was from the house of Mai [the North Vietnamese royal ancestry]. You should love the words [tu (đê) from the, chí (đê) to the, văn (đê) of the or from the (Dutch), and thị (đê), of the]. I am the theoretical engineering physicist and love the freedom. My mother loved the turtle, whom she gave the sword to beat the Han domination of the past. You could love the farmers who have given food, culture, material, etc. My great-grandfather was white, and my great-grandmother was yellow-green. We love culture and people. From us, Albany of the State of Oregon - USA.
great work! It's a lot of info to digest, but appreciate the work you put into sharing the history. It's very academical so it's not easy to follow if one is not astute in studies.
The argument that they are not the Viet (Yue), because they do not speak the same language is completely idiotic. In France we speak several languages, like so many other countries, and yet we are all French. It is with the advancement/spread of transport and literature that the language becomes harmonized.
It's always a bit tiresome if history has to deliver justification for today's political claims. It's completely obvious that today's Vietnam is not China by any means. I don't think there is any need to fight this out in a past when there has been neither Vietnam nor China in today's understanding. If more than 2000 years ago, or only a thousand years ago. An interpretory framework of this kind is not only naturalising today's state of affairs and thus essentialising ethnic and national identities (pretty consciously of course) but also clouding our understanding of the past and present events that defy essentialist notions. To make this more clear, it is rather obvious that the Northern dynasties (the "Chinese") went to where there has been something worth conquering, that means existing structures that brought value to the empire, instead of unstructured groups of Barbarians. At the same time it is hard to believe that the people who gained "independence" were in any way "the same" that got conquered a thousand years ago just waiting out the moment to shed the Chinese "yoke". The often cited string of uprisings is by no means an unnatural occurrence even in areas populated mainly by Han Chinese. Even more there is a lot of evidence that after the fall of the Tang dynasty a lack of sustained imperial interest in this far away region did play at least a similar if not more important role in the formation and continuation of a Southern ("Vietnamese") empire as the "Vietnamese people's" wish for independence, not least given that back in the days questions like this were hardly decided by public vote or even within a unified discursive space, but by use of force.
Hard to believe for civilized ppl but not that hard if the Chinese never conquered the high land and the jungle, was it possible if they just came out the highland and jungle once a while to attack the Chinese like they did to the French and the American. There's a viet tribe in highland that is still somewhat isolated to outsiders, the Muong.
@@tungtrinh3789 I don't really get your point. There have been clashes between the imperial troops and indigenous groups at times, some of them spoke most likely a Viet-Muong language. There also have been clashes between different indigenous groups. I just cautioned agains portraying events 2000 or even a 1000 years ago as THE Vietnamese people fighting for liberation. As such they have been very different from the anti-colonial struggle, or the events after 1954. If you know the literature on the topic you are also probably aware that it took decades for the resistance against the French to take on classical anticolonial features, while it was in the beginning pretty much in line with previous dynastic struggles.
@aaron.aaron.v.b.9448 my point is the past is grey, not in black and white, that's including the 1k year domination by the Chinese. You known the famous Chinese general Ma, who defeated the Trung sisters and conquered nanyue, but the story was not ended there, Ma and half of his army died a few years later in the viet high land. They did not win or dominated the highland. Folklore can be used for political propaganda or to find what really happened, but ppl is smart they can decide for themself.
well, if follow the folk stories, An Duong Vuong commit suicide by jumping to the ocean after failing defend the country against Nan Yue ( a tributary state of late Qin, early Han) so no tomb of him I think...
What was not mentioned is the Han-Chinese invasion of the region didn't start in 111 BC but rather a century earlier. The Qin Dynasty conquered the region and conquered Au Lac a century before the Han Dynasty invaded the region. Qin general Zhao Tuo in the late 3rd century BC conquered the region, decided to stay and make himself king, and created the kingdom of Nanyue. It was this kingdom of Nanyue that the Han Dynasty conquered a century later.
As the professor said, the term Viet is derived from the Yue identity, and in Chinese it is called "Yuènán yǔ". However, when the Khmer people adopted the Chinese word for the Viet as "Yuen", the Viet said that Khmer are "racist" towards, when they too call the Khmer, using the Chinese term "Cao Mien". The professor is also right again that after over a thousand years, the modern Vietnamese cannot claim the connection to the original Yue people. The modern Vietnamese are practically Chinese in origin and culture. Regarding the animosity between the Khmer and the Viet or Kinh, the government of Vietnam must respect the right of the native Khmer inhabitants and grant the Mekong Delta Region of the Khmer natives as autonomous region.
Lol, the professor was speaking academically, if modern viet can't claim connection to ancient viet then neither the modern Chinese to the ancient Chinese, they've been conquered so many times than the viet. You want to see pureblood viet, talk to the Muong in vietnam or people in China still speaks vietnamese around fujian, or people in Malaysia who are descendants of Trưng sister army.
So in other words you have no source from an academic historian saying that 20 million were exterminated by the Viets then ? Also Chams were not majority Muslim until the 16th /17th century after the Viet conquest of Champa had already begun . Before that they were largely Hindu / Buddhist
