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Damn, good finds man! My little theory about DLC/Sequel is that they won't use a story that has been explored before in videogame form...I'd love a game about Dorian Gray cuz I think with a little twist, you can incorporate the resurrection mechanic into the game by saying that his portrait brings him back if he dies...AND a certain D. Gray is already referenced in game.
Dorian Gray is definitely an NPC I think they could work in at some point, and that would be a cool way to do it. When it comes to references they've already dropped, I (personally) NEED some answers on the Legendary Stalker and I'd love to see some of that get hashed out too.
Also, as far as the Frankenstein theory goes, a certain Victor is already in the game...previously dead, bought back to life by Alchemists..it's a likely tie.
@@gadgetvolt3640 Yeah, I could see that one going either way. Maybe it's definitely NOT going to be Frankenstein because they feel like they 'already did it' with Victor... But, it could just as easily be the setup for how they want to expand on that notion if Frankenstein is something they go with. Even still, we know that victor was 'unable to be completed' and "Laxasia the complete" suggests there's a process there still working on, but we don't really know what 'complete' means in this circumstance either. So, definitely lots of question marks still out there.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, did show an interesting take on his immortality, that he can be harmed and "killed", he just needs some time to restore himself.
That's definitely the cost effective choice. Given the unique and imaginative nature of the game itself, I'd _like_ to think we'll see at least _something_ of a curveball, but maybe that's just me being optimistic.
from software, team cherry and these guys can take all my money. i think that P.P saying that they need an immortal team to handle a certain threat will maybe have the developers looking for those that can travel dimensions, be immortal, etc. like dorothy, alica, as you said frankenstein - just a guess, but i tink tesla and van helsing. we must also consider the myth of tangun and the covetous prince that wants the domain of humans as the developers are korean. great video sir.
I would be SUPER down for them to do something in the vein of van helsing or introducing more ethereal/supernatural enemies. I think it's honestly one of the few elements missing from the game when you consider how much they already went into 'mystical' territory. Would definitely love to see some of these ideas enter into the picture.
I haven't played "Lies of P" so I'm lost by the references here, but my respect for you and your production team has increased tenfold by your selection of which "A Christmas Carol" (released as "Scrooge" in the UK) you've used. 9:20 proves you have both culture and taste.
Oh shit... I hadn't thought of that as a nod... but, it definitely feels like more fuel for the fire if my sleeper pick happens to be true lol Good call.
@@chriswihulu I've been toying with an idea about doing a video on Carlo's past before his actual death that outlines his childhood and ties to the stalkers/black rabbit brotherhood. Haven't gone through the process of chalking that one out yet, but not only are you correct... I think there's a lot of reason to believe that may in fact be Carlo's grave. Couldn't say with confidence whether his body is in there or not... But, there's lot of evidence to think it's a grave for his commemoration at the very least.
@@XDeej I had the same basic idea, only thing that did go against it to some degree, was that it had the "Mark of the Black Rabbit Brotherhood", along with the note. Unless said group existed before the Frenzy, I don't see why it would be there, but we know that the Brotherhood more than likely all grew up, or were trained at the Rose Estate. So, what if the Brotherhood originally was a club, made up by the children of the Estate, as it could then tie them in with both Carlo and Romeo, who also spent time there and wanted to train to become stalkers. Them not seeing Carlo in P, can be explained with time and the Frenzy twisting their minds and behaviour, so they didn't even consider the idea that P was Carlo in some form. A dedicated video would be great, but only if you feel there is enough there, or can fill in with your own theories and the evidence that supports them. Unaware if you know of them, but the RU-vidr KiteTales has made a few lore videos on Lies of P, one of the Latest about stalkers, so maybe there is something to be found there.
@@chriswihulu There's definitely some extra pieces that I'd be intending to work in to really demonstrate the theory... But, it'd likely be tied to a bigger video overall that touches on ALL the stalkers to make sure it isn't too scoped in. Definitely a vid I want to do... but, it'd also be a monster to put together lol
GAHHHH okay okay but that section you found looks so dang cool?? 👀 I cannot wait to see if/how they pull in other stories - they've been SO intentional with the details so far so I'm excited to see what they do with the DLC!
I don't know when we'll be able to get confirmation, but I feel pretty confident in a lot of what has been provided here. Whether I'm right or wrong though, I'm still very much excited to explore more of what Neowiz has to offer.
this hidden area is so cool, thanks for showcasing it! so either the malum district stargazer will link to there or we could have 2 seperate parts of the dlc.
I fully acknowledge that they could still add something, even miniscule in nature, that completely blows my research to shreds lol... BUT... that said, I wanted to make sure I could connect at least SOME dots before trying to showcase any individual lines. Glad you could find some fun in the hidden area. 😊
Very few ever bring up the original Teaser Trailer and I feel that is a waste, because I think what were seeing in that teailer, was the "Journey" that Gepetto went on, to gather "parts" for the Nameless Puppet and/or P. It could also explain the difference we see in seasons, if he had wanted to build the Perfect Son, he'd need to get only the best materials, even second. Also, it can explain why he was so competent as a fighter/puppeteer, that he has plenty of experience fighting puppets. Unsure if there is enough for a video, but I would like to see more bring it up, as it may have more meaning than we give it, since it was a first look we ever got of the game.
If you go all the way back to the original announcement trailer, it has narrative VO from Geppetto that almost makes it sound like he would be an ally in the vein of Sophia's role also, so they definitely underwent some changes in theme and tone from inception to delivery, but there's clearly a LOT there that they still have left on the table. I don't think they've run the full course of everything they have to offer in Krat yet for sure.
@@XDeej for sure, every game sees changes between first concept and it's final release, but you're right, we can definitely see much more come out of Krat itself, even without P as the main character.
This is excellent news! My biggest 2 gripes of this game is one, how quickly you can beat it 4 times and become max level in a matter of weeks and second, there isn’t any DLC yet.
I honestly think Neowiz didn't expect this game to get as much attention as it has, and are probably operating at least a little bit on the back foot when it comes to catching up with the raised expectations. We may not be getting DLC for a while, but I have high hopes that it'll be good when it finally arrives.
I've enjoyed this game so much! Neowiz did such an amazing job. And the amount of content is just perfect, short and sweet. I would love for them to keep up these soulslike games. Imagine them doing a Alice in Wonderland, Hansel and Gretel, Frankenstein ... there's an ocean of stories and ideas to pull from.
Definitely an awesome (and unexpected) standout in a year that already had a lot of solid releases. I'm hella pumped to see how they expand out on this one.
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@@XDeej honestly I can only think of two atm. I would like to see a clear Birds Eye view and walkthrough of the city to see the full layout of it, been waiting for a smart redditer to create a complete world map. The other is that there are several islands that look like they have assets, might be just set pieces but I’d like to find out. I don’t know if your tools can do that but both of those would be extremely satisfying
@@XDeejI don’t know if you’ll see this but was looking for more people like me who crave lies of p out of bounds secrets! Was wondering if you had access to character models under the masks, similar to Zullie the Witch’s FromSoftware secret videos !
Also the picture of Dorian Gray. Gipetto mentions an artist he knew that believed paintings could be alive (when referencing the change in Pinocchio’s/Carlo’s painting that he bought)
I definitely think that's a possibility. I'm not sure how they'd center content around that specifically, but using the painting as a way to provide a weapon was a cool start, so expanding on that would definitely provide some additional opportunities I'd be into.
Well since there is that image with Pinocchio standing on a ship I still think that an entirely new area is not impossible. Especially since Lies of P sold 1 million copies in less than a month so they might have enough resources to build completely new assets.
I'd absolutely believe that they have the resources to justify taking things up a notch, but for the first DLC their monetary success isn't likely to be as big a contributing factor. Whatever we get first for DLC was likely already in development for a few months before the game's release, and was likely being planned for at least a few months before that. I'm sure that they had _hoped_ the game would do well, but at least for the first round of DLC, I'd wager the additional resources they have available are likely to add polish and volume, but unlikely to have a huge impact on the overall plan for the setting itself. Even still, I'd be happy to be wrong if that means we get to check out some cool new areas. 😊
I like Christmas Carol as a prediction a lot. It would be such a unique adaptation to an action game franchise; and although the core story everyone knows is Scrooge and the three ghosts, there are a whole cast of characters besides them in the original book: Tiny Tim, Tim's family, Scrooge's ex-fiance, Bob Marley, the businessmen of Joe's scavenger shop, etc., many of whom could tie into Lies of P well like the scavengers becoming merchants. In fact, Tiny Tim's story could very well mirror Pinocchio's own with a distraught Scrooge or Tim's father coming to Lies of P to use Puppet/Alchemist technology to save a Tim who is currently ailing or has already succumbed to illness. Additionally, Lies of P already has a built in time mechanic where different zones would shift the time of day which I never felt was fully utilized in the base game. It could be interesting seeing them adapt the time-of-day shifting mechanic to actual TIME shifting: past, present, and future. A lot to work with here, your sleeper pick is approved 👍
Daaaaaang... Sounds like you should have been the one making this video instead of me lol. Jokes aside, those are some great points to add into the mix, and definitely give my guess a little bit more leg to stand on than I thought it might originally had. Thanks for adding the insights!
Lies of P is currently my sleeper hit of the year thus far, and I'm actually surprised it hasn't blown up more than it already has. Definitely a great game I'm super interested to see more from.
@@XDeej agree 100% I never played a souls/ soulslike before this but the trailer had me the moment I saw it, platinumed it a few days ago, loved every moment of it and can't wait for what is to come in the future.
Frankenstein would be amazing in this game. Maybe he was created by Simon Manus, like how Pinocchio was created by Geppetto, and he's like the darker mirror opposite of Pinocchio.
I'm all for the dlc to go either Snow Queen or Christmas Carol on us. As for Frankenstein; I'm not as confident in that one cause I already considered Victor was the Frankenstein tie in. Victor to Victor Frankenstein. Victor is a Reanimated man via the pushing of scientific boundaries as the monster was. Both are known for their incredible strength. Victor is Weak to Fire, and the Monster feared it. And if you look on Victor's model; he has what appear to be surgical markings as if to outline a portion of a body to be removed.
I don't disagree that they've certainly already offered a nod to the media and may well leave it at that... BUT... I think of all the compelling and interesting pieces of Lies of P lore that the game _doesn't_ explore... The alchemists and their resurrection process stands out as a big one to me. Maybe that's a loop they never truly intend to close, and we won't see them expand that direction further, but I feel like the alchemists are the biggest players in Krat's history, and outside of Manus being a poor representation of their origination, I (personally) feel like there was just too much there they could dive into to ignore it. Maybe we don't get Frankenstein in DLC, but if that's the case, I think it's a great nod to the original media that unfortunately kinda got swept under the rug if that's the route they go.
While I love the exploration of public domain IP and its deeper themes and meanings, I think these references can be achieved without being so all encompassing or explicit, what I mean to say is they could have all been called robots and we all would have gotten the reference, I'm not saying they did it wrong necessarily its just strange to me that some references are shallow like 221 Baker st. but Pinochio is an unavoidable source of inspiration, it seems to me that there is a better balance that can be achieved when pulling from source material but hey I love the story they made either way. I hope the DLC is more of the same magic
Large commercial releases will typically err on the side of ease when it comes to delivering their message. It doesn't matter how cool a story is if half of the consumer base doesn't really 'get it', so that's why most large-scale releases are going to try and cater to the middle. With them seeing a successful release on a new IP, I don't imagine they're going to be trying to hide their references when their consumers being able to spot them is part of the draw.
My theory is it will be about the golden bird tale. When you get to the golden stargazer for the first time there's a bird and there are also three graves there and there are three brothers in the tale.
I do really like that as a possible nod. The crow appears there for the first time only and never reappears, so there may be some kind of ominous allusion that was intended with it that they're going to expand on more later. Add to that the 3 brothers of Krat collectible not really seeming to tie to anything of note in-game throughout the narrative, and I think you've landed on a really solid guess that already has a nice on ramp built in. Part of me thinks that route might not have enough familiarity and depth to run on, but since it's only a DLC, I think it's definitely a possibility. Good callout!
What if the disabled stargazer is linked to the watch? When you reactivate it itll link to the watch causing it to shoot you back in time where at the end you break that stargazer to return and the graves are for npcs from the past.
I don't know if there's any _specific_ evidence to suggest that'll be the case, but that is definitely a badass idea. I tried to stay away from the 'I think this would be cool' kind of speculation to make sure that the vid remained quasi-informational, but I'd absolutely LOVE that idea if they roll that direction.
@@XDeej It would allow them to simply clean and slightly tweak the already existing world to fit a previous time instead of making something completely new. It would be interesting to see it take place either when ergo was discovered or right at the modernized ergo era. This would allow Geppettos puppet to see things first hand without any details being concealed.
@@XDeej after playing souls like games for so long the number of "what ifs" gamers come up with is infinite lol. I didnt have any theories till watching your vid. Actually didnt even notice the busted stargazer.
Instantly liked and subscribed and can’t wait to check out more of your work! I believe the green light and especially those green pools might connect to the greenish particles that appear when you turn on Gemini which are exactly the same as particles of the Golden Fruit Tree
It's definitely possible... But, since they already mentioned that they were going to be doing a sequel, it feels like switching the main protagonist, environmental inclusions, and enemy sets that the WoO would likely entail is better served by a sequel than DLC. I think it would be dope to get such a big change up so soon, but I just don't think it's likely based on the changes that would likely have to come alongside it being developed in time.
If you ignore the ice weather, or perhaps treat it only as the start of the DLC (ice/snow is a pretty easy effect to add to an environment as far as games are concerned), let me give you another option. Based on the relic, going deeper under the hotel, earthquakes opening passages, and so on, Journey to the Center of the Earth could be a strong contender. It's less fairy tale and more science fiction but Jules Vernes works are public domain and it fits with the theme of traveling deeper underground, with the technological aesthetics, and so on. Of course, another option is Beauty and the Beast. There's already a Belle (the original story doesn't use the name Belle, but maybe they can get away with that), she's leaving Krat, her previous love Addelson is dead. Also, note that the story was retold from it's 1756 version in 1889 in a collection called Blue Fairy Book and opens with merchant ships lost at sea/captured by pirates. Also, the story itself has three different variants over the centuries before getting past just the public domain cutoff date, all with details that add a lot of room for inspiration.
I really LOVE both of these options. They're inventive, plausible, and lean on the existing pieces that can easily be found in game. I'd put both of them in my sleeper/less likely to happen category since they don't seem _super_ connected to the DLC images provided, but that'd definitely be cool to see. Even if it ends up not being the case, I love thinking of cool possibilities like this rather than getting another "they already did Frankenstein" or "it's probably Toyland" comments lol
I'm thinking the area in trismegistus may have been something they removed from the base game in considering that it may fit better into the DLC. All depending on what they intended it for.
It definitely has that vibe. Maybe something that was far enough along, but then deadlines and timelines started getting a little tight so they started planning to build it out for their DLC transitional area. Hard to say... But, I'm inclined to agree.
While Peter and Wendy _IS_ a public domain work, I think the image seems to indicate the ship is in water more than it does air. Regardless... Whether that's what they were trying to indicate or not, I think Neverland would be a super dope setting, and they've already introduced a few elements that could justify the story heading that direction. That said, a massive change in setting like that would likely be a HUGE budget hurdle, and unless they're planning on a 'city-oriented' Neverland, it feels like maybe too big of a lift for a standalone DLC imo.
Dude if they use the old stories we grew up seeing as old movies then they have so much potential stuff they can work with and different types of games they can potentially do
I'd definitely love for them to go that route. Nostalgia is great and all, but seeing new twists on old stories is also an awesome way to experience that media for the first time all over again.
Why not just Toyland ? That's what's partly written on the Black Cat's sign post. Just imagine the Red Fox and the Black Cat convincing p to join them in Toyland (either at any time after visiting Venigni's factory and before the Arche Abbey or by making the non violent way of dealing with the duo canon, so it could be done after the events of the main game). Alternatively, Toyland could be where Stalkers are created, since they wear animal masks, like the Donkey. So it could be a way for P to unlocking even more Humanity (potentially, real 'full' humanity), by delving even more into Carlos's past. And, ... about that Frankenstein theory, ... P already defeated Champion Victor, in the main game. Though the scientist in Frankenstein was not named Victor, that's how everybody misremembers him : 'Victor' Frankenstein. Also, he was not a doctor. Anyway, Champion Victor could have been an amalgamation of Frankenstein and his Creature (just like almost everybody calls the Creature Frankenstein, instead of Frankenstein's Creature). However, we could be dealing with another creation (like a previous experiment - or like The Bride Of Frankenstein).
Well, we already know that most of the stalkers receive their training from the Monad Charity house, or via the tighter circle of old houses influenced and controlled by the big players within Krat, so I don't think there's some abstract location that's gonna be introduced as a crucible for their creation that we haven't heard of up to this point. Beyond that, cat and fox were looking to get away from their past, and we didn't really get any indication as to why we would actually want/need to go there for narrative reasons. It's possible... Sure. I just don't think so. As for Frankenstein... Yes, I'm aware that Victor is a nod. I'm simply of the mind that this resurrection/reanimation process is a huge question mark with basically 0 explanation behind it, and Victor could be a prelude to the furtherance of the Frankenstein references we've already seen being expanded into. Maybe not, but it feels more likely than toyland imo.
It would be SOOOOO sick if we actually get to play alongside the original Alidoro. Unlikely as I think it might be... That alone would be a compelling argument to have the DLC take place in the past. Would be hella dope.
Now that you bring up A Christmas Carol, I have another suggestion for a Christmas-Themed DLC: "The Nutcracker & The Mouse King" by E.T.A Hoffman. It's the story that the "Nutcracker Suite" ballet was based on. There actually was a somewhat recent Live Action Disney movie released in 2018 also based around the movie called "The Nutcracker & The Four Realms" I really think it'll be fun connecting the lore of "Lies of P" with The Nutcracker. Maybe there's a connection with Sophia, who's supposed to be Lies of P's Blue Fairy, & the Sugar Plum Fairy? Perhaps Drosselmeyer is an alchemist as well just like Geppetto, maybe even a colleague of his?
That's definitely a step beyond what I thought to be likely, but it's an absolutely awesome idea I wouldn't be mad to have brought to the table. Whatever we get to see, I think it'd definitely be dope if they introduced realms/license fields as different entries for us to visit at some point.
My first thought was that the ship had something to do with the land of toys/pleasure island and that the dlc wouldn’t be introducing any new, outside mythology at all. As much as I’d love to see frankie’s monster shambling across krat, I feel like they’re more likely to stay within the world of pinocchio until we get a sequel. I do hope I’m wrong, though, & I’m sure it’ll be a banger regardless
In my mind, Frankenstein is actually an opening and expansion of the alchemist story lines they have already touched on, but didn't really do anything with. One of the main points that I took into account when making this video is that the alchemists can LITERALLY BRING PEOPLE BACK FROM THE DEAD... and we just... didn't really see anything on that? Like... How was that not an arc/thread of its own? I just feel like that kind of implication has so many moving parts that never really got explored that leading into something like Frankenstein feels like a natural evolution imo. Obviously I could be wrong, but I think there are some aspects of the game that they could open up further while still having it feel really natural and consistent. Hard to say though.
Wild! I'm so curious what they'll do with the DLC! Have they indicated how big the DLC will be? It'd have to be big IF they end up introducing an entirely different public domain story, right?
Size and scope are obviously gonna be extremely hard to guess at in advance. But... Considering what I've shown here, how far in advance they're working on it, and a lot of indicators suggesting that they were planning on DLC long before the game even came out, I'd imagine it'll fall in line with FromSoft's approximate size, but likely a little earlier. Best guess... 4 new bosses, 2 main new antagonists, and a commercial release sometime in Q3 of 2024.
@@cleveryoutubename8568 Definitely a worthwhile consideration, but I'd honestly be surprised if they go that route. They haven't really seemed to lean into the eldritch themes that made bloodborne so signature, and if anything, I think it's more likely they'll go with something seemingly innocent/playful and turn it on its head to maintain the approach they've already established with Pinocchio and the Wizard of Oz.
It definitely has the moving parts I think... I just think it might be a longshot based on them seemingly looking to remain agnostic with their content. They certainly have no issues in leaning into the fantasy, but trying to tie content to larger cultural references (Christmas, for example) is a risk that a lot of businesses just aren't interested in taking.
Just beat this today! This is just a theory... I chose the "Euthanasia" ending (the ones gotten this far know what I am referring to) and I received a record which had phenomenal music. Not sure if my ending choice had to do with this unlockable...
The "Euthanasia" ending as you put it enables the "Rise of P" ending, but making that choice doesn't affect the record collection one way or another as far as I recall/am aware. Either way, enabling the 'best ending' of the game (imo) makes a tough choice the much more rewarding one in the long run.
Rise of P is the ending where Carlo becomes a real human and dies, The "Free From the Puppet Strings" ending is refusing Gepeto but not gaining full humanity, and then the "Real Boy" ending is giving your heart to resurrect Carlo. All of the endings have the after credit Oz easter egg scene.
@@XDeej So it sounds like I unlocked the latter since they referenced Dorothy and I got a glimpse of Paracelsius... I wasn't able to unlock the long hair though but did unlock the short grey. Suppose only way to unlock is to do the same ending...
Long hair unlocks based on your humanity level and is based on providing Sophia peace. As long as you have enough humanity when you meet her and select to give her peace, you gain the long hair there. That choice is only a requirement for one of the available endings, but the wizard of oz cutscene plays after the credits no matter what ending you get.
It's definitely possible that I'm wrong, but I think they've already made an allusion to the Peter Pan world with Tomah's story in the game, and wouldn't be surprised if that's a route they end up going. Even if they don't expand into that direction any further, I completely agree... it would be a dope license/IP for them to add into Krat's existing functionality.
@@VideoStalker00 It's pretty loose, but Wendy and John are two names of the friends referenced that are no longer around/alive. We may find later that they escaped to 'neverland' or that they simply died in that lore cannon and will be referenced again later if that's the route they go. I don't know this it's even tied to peter pan 100%... but, it seems like a thinly veiled reference that they did with other franchises that lead me to believe it was done that way on purpose.
Thank you so so much for that like and sub!!! However, I will say I can't take credit for any of the research Deej put into this video! I just put do my best to put all of his hardwork together for a final product!
How she manages to output a quality product with the absolute nonsense I give her... I'll never know. She's easily the glue that holds the channel together. She is also... mostly the channel. Soooo... I'll just be here doing what I'm told.
A totally valid and interesting idea. Hard to say if that's the direction they're going to go, but relocating the sub with a wave of the narrative wand could easily see us exploring the darkened depths pretty easily. Hard to know what a primarily 'underwater adventure' might look like within the framework of the existing mechanics, but it's a cool idea to be sure.
If I had to take a guess I'd say that area was cut content. I always felt the Relic of Trismigustus was unusually small, so it makes sense that it was originally going to be much larger and maybe the boss fight with the rabbits was going to be up near those tanks? In any case, awesome findings, I'd be happy if it's added into the game.
I think it was cut content to an extent... Ultimately I think this area is just going to prove to be the transitional path into whatever DLC they have coming up, and rather than flesh it out for Trismegistus, they opted to use it as a bridge into upcoming content due to budget, timing, or both. Either way, it's clear they've put in a TON of time and effort into the game, and I'm hoping that polish continues to shine in whatever we get next.
Belle was briefly shown during the portion where I talked about the previous references they've used already, with Adkinson serving as 'the beast' given the state in which we find him, it's a bit of a loose reference to be sure, but a seemingly purposeful nod nonetheless. I'm not sure how much there is for them to explore with that, but I'd be curious to see how they presented it if they were looking to expand on that into the future.
Definitely a strong possibility, but I honestly don't think it's what they'll go with for the _next_ release. I feel like they'll probably be looking to maintain some of the games more whimsical and story-driven themes before pivoting to something inherently darker as a source material. I'm certain I could be wrong, but from a consumer standpoint, it makes sense for them to put out a more middle of the road option in tone as a follow up. Pretty standard process for games to try and capture a wider market after a successful launch.
Honestly, they have SOOOO much fertile ground for new genre directions, I'd be surprised if they don't land in a good place no matter what they do. While I'd wager alice is gonna be a sequel (that they've already confirmed they're working on), I think I'd actually prefer it to be its own game. Let's finish up some cool shit with P, and then get into a whole new vibe when Alice comes along.
That platinum trophy is certainly up there in terms of difficulty. Much congrats! Personally, I think Dorothy will be the focus for a sequel, but I suppose it's definitely possible that they'll expand that direction for the DLC. I know they were working on both before the game's release, so the first DLC release will tell us a lot about the future as well.
I think we will still be playing as the Marco-puppet for the DLC, so any added literary adaptation would have to work at least partly within that framework. Frankenstein ('s monster) could do that, whereas The Snow Queen could carry a game in its own right (possibly even with a choice of playing as Kai or Gerda).
I'm not 100% certain what you mean by the Marco puppet, but I agree that most if not all of the added DLC will likely take place in areas we've at least partially explored already. It's hard to know where things like The Snow Queen and Frankenstein fall on that map, but when launching into the conjecture, I tried to incorporate at least _some_ of my experience in the industry from a business perspective when going into my conjecture and speculation.
Absolutely amazing game! And all the free weapons and costumes they have released are really nice. Can't wait for the DLC and the sequel. I would love to see there take on Jekyll and Hyde
What I also think is pretty cool, are all the possibilities for future games done in this style that utilize those other public domains. Could be quite a franchise.
I couldn't agree more. I very much hope this represents a turning point in the way that developers think about and approach making soulslike games so we're not mired in the same medieval sword and shield style setting that has been the standard up to this point.
I don't know how/if they've insinuated they're looking to bring things back around to current state by setting us directly before the events of our adventure, but it's an interesting idea to explore. They've already stated that they want to explore some of the history of Krat with future releases, so it's definitely possible that you're right.
I'd definitely be surprised if that's the route they go... but, if you told me 5 years ago that one of my favorite soulslikes would be set in the Pinocchio universe, I would have called you a liar, sooooo... I'm definitely not counting it out lol
Both would definitely be cool, but I think they're likely to save dorothy for the sequel, and with the loose beauty and the beast reference they already had in the game, it doesn't feel like something they were looking to expand on, but obviously I could be wrong.
But didn't the game director already show us images of a ship, and heavily implied that we'd be sailing out from Krat? Oh well, I won't complain about more than one DLC!
The image of the ship in question is in the video. The only thing I've heard the director say publicly (thus far) is that they're wanting to explore some of the stories that made Krat what it is today. Outside of that, I don't know if there was any specific 'travel distance' offered or suggested, but I could be wrong. They've been pretty cryptic on purpose it seems, so I'm still waiting for something solid from them one way or another.
I personally think their might be some evidence to a jack and the beanstalk dlc if we go to the past seeing as there are a lot of nods to the vines covering the stargazer and green effects in that area also if you look closer in the backdrop for the pirate ship it seems to be in the sky which could also point towards peter pan.
my first thought when I saw the ship in the DLC sneak-peek was Peter Pan. Not sure where all the machinations and such comes in there, but perhaps they have gone industrial as well with Tinkerbell being another version of "Gemini" in their part of the world. Perhaps Peter Pan is battling Hook on their ship and with the blizzard, they crash into or at least close to the city of Krat.
I honestly think peter pan might be higher up on my _'wish list'_ when it comes to content I'd like to see, I just haven't seen anything from it that really suggests (to me at least) that it's on the way. I'm definitely here for it if that's what comes down the pipe, but either way, it feels like a good candidate for future content.
Well when you say about the Frankenstein it would lead to champion victor fleeing.Might be have a DLC of him rematch and also his weapon frozen feast kinda relate to the freezing temperature of the game and the Frankenstein lore.
Definitely feels possible. IF they end up going that route though, I think Victor either getting resurrected again (or somehow not having died) and then pairing up with P against the alchemists feels like a cool arc that holds a lot of potential and still uses most of the existing lore as its foundation. Cool as it might be, I'm still convinced they're going back (way back) in time after what the devs and game director have said about their plan publicly. While it has been somewhat obscured behind them obviously trying to keep it hush hush, the prevalent theme is they want to go back and explore some of the 'origins' of some of the existing characters in Krat. Either way, I'm looking forward to something that will likely kick ass.
While it may seem like a small thing, getting a compliment that I haven't heard before and from someone who seemed to take the time to watch the whole thing... is... actually a big thing. So, great job right back atcha. Some days, creating stuff is harder than others, and folks taking the time to offer a supportive word never goes unnoticed.
Well, the director has already mentioned that they're hoping to explore the history of Krat and its characters with the DLC, so I actually think it's totally reasonable that we'll be seeing some more from past stories! Maybe not a movie... but, certainly some fun content to fill in the gaps I hope.
As I said before... I KNOW that the odds are long on this being correct, but... like... you obviously get it. Guaranteed it would be way doper than I think many people are willing to consider.
Champion Victor was clearly an homage, but other than the fight itself, I don't really feel like they actually DID anything with the character, the process, or the story itself. I think it's reasonable to consider that they were using Victor as a setup, and they'll expand into it with DLC.
@@XDeej Maybe if the dlc is a prequel. But Belle and Atkinson were also an homage to beauty and the beast which clearly wasn't 1 to 1. So I'm not really sure.
It may have just been wishful thinking on my part, but you miss all the shots you don't take... or something like that lol. I won't hold my breath for it, but I definitely think it could be dope.
That's actually a good callout. Hard to know if that supports or detracts from any of my assumptions here as the idea of that stargazer being connected to power from the GCT seems like a totally reasonable consideration, but it's something I hadn't immediately considered either way. 👍
Such a cool and simple concept that I'm actually surprised we hadn't seen something like it sooner in retrospect. Even still, now that it's here... I'm definitely excited for it opening things up not just for DLC on LoP, but the message it sends to other soulslike develops as well.
This is likely an unpopular perspective, but I'm actually hoping we don't see wizard of oz until a sequel that's dedicated solely to that setting. I think there's a LOT of good stuff to be had there, and I'm excited to get into it, but I think it'd be a waste to release it as DLC. But, that's just my opinion.
I dont think frankenstien will be the theme as Victor the champeon was already a referance to Victor von Frankenstien with his reanimated corpse, i feel like Christmas Carol could be a half insperation mixxed with the wizard of Oz as those books alone had insane visuals that could fit well with Krat, if this game was 10 years later i would of guessed Narnia since the lion the witch and the wardrobe due to the public domain soon.
I definitely think it would be cool, but I'd still be surprised... If I happened to have called it this far out with an absolutely wild pick though... I'm riding that high for a long while lol
I definitely think she was. We find a woman named belle, who then puts us in search of her friend, who turns out to be 'a beast'. You can take that even further with the fact that he gives us something for her to read lol... but, thin as it might be, it still feels like it all adds up to a solid (albeit quick and passing) reference imo.
I definitely think it'd be hard to scare up a collector's edition these days, but that's probably true across almost any title. I hadn't actually heard that it came to gamepass, so I don't know what the timeline would be if it does. If their selection process is anything similar to what they've done in the past, I don't think the DLC would be included as part of that regardless.
@@XDeej Ive hit up my local retro game stores and can't find a copy of the game. It's thanks to game pass that I was able to try the game and fell in love with it. I need a physical copy today
I actually think Victor functions as good evidence why diving into the expanded lore of Frankenstein makes sense. Of all the things they touch on in-game, literally bringing people back from the dead feels hugely unexplored for how impactful and lore heavy that narrative direction could be. I'm thinking that if they go deeper into the Frankenstein rabbit hole, Victor may have simply been the world hook to allow for a clean segue into a new story developing in that direction.
I'd be surprised for them to lean into the 'classic horror' licenses, but if they DO... I think you could add Wolfman, The Thing from the Black Lagoon, Dracula, Frankenstein, and perhaps an entire organization that's dedicated to hunting them down too. Would be a very dope idea!
I haven't heard of that one, but if they've dipped their toes into that lore before, that only gives me higher hopes for their potential in delivering some good follow up content.
Honestly, I'm just a very zen 'go with the flow' kinda guy. The big problem there is I often venture into STK territory... But, like... what's the WORST that could happen, right?
Definitely something they could do, definitely something I'd love for them to do, and definitely something they _might_ do. I've got my fingers crossed for a lot of exciting things in the future.
As far as I'm aware, the official date hasn't been announced yet. My best guess is sometime in Q2, but that's only an estimate based of my previous dev experience and what I've seen from them as a business.
We don't really know for sure since they haven't officially said. Given that it appears they were planning on releasing DLC since before launch, and they already have at least a few strong contenders as to where they'll go, I anticipate the DLC to be released within a shorter period of time than comparable FromSoft titles, so my best guess would be somewhere between April-June.
I think Dorothy is going to be it's own fleshed out sequel connected by Giangio (Paracelsus). Not sure if P will be in it or not. But this is my speculation and nothing more. The Wizard of Oz just seems like too rich of a story to just make it a dlc. Especially to anyone whose seen Return to Oz.
I really hope the dlc is massive it probably won't be as big like elden rings but im hoping its not to small 😬 but regardless the images are looking good 😉 👌 👍 😊
I think it depends on how long they've been working on it. Rather than its size, I'm just hoping that they've given it plenty of time to bake and have the same polish and shine on whatever it is they release. If it's big, hopefully that work has been going for a while already, but I don't think it's a problem if it happens to be small, I just hope they give it the proper time to be good.
Video games are an indulgence, and with their high cost compared to movies and music, perhaps doubly so. Beyond that, they're also prohibitively expensive to create at the triple A level. So, if you invested 60 bucks in something you really enjoy, knowing that you're likely to get a lot of value from further investment is a win for the consumer. Likewise, if you're a developer, instead of taking a big risk on a new title and spending TONS to produce a risky IP, creating something you're confident consumers want is also a win. It benefits both side of the equation. That said... Neowiz has also already said that they'll be doing it... So, it's not exactly a mystery on it being expected at this point.
Literally nowhere in this video do I include any of the endings... What are you even talking about? Also, even if I _had_ included them... This game came out two months ago.
I think there's a lot of good things to be said about this game, but, I'd have to agree that the dark corners could've held a little more value for sure. Hopefully something they expand on further with additional content.
Oh. My . God. How could I have missed that. So simple. So perfectly executed. Boi oh boi what a rube I've been. I'm sure you're right though... Using a kinship example of a medium they plan to explore by drawing from the more directly sourced work before expanding into it with lore and narrative doesn't seem like a reasonable option at all. No idea what I was thinking.
- The Wizard of Oz is far more likely to be a sequel than DLC based on the scope of the change and comments from the dev team already made - Frozen is based on the Ice Queen... Nobody is suggesting they're going to bring Elsa into the game.
Based on what the developers have said about their desired/intended direction for the DLC, and the fact that adding in a new character with an entirely new perspective on the existing lore, I'm reasonably confident in saying that Wizard of Oz will _likely_ be part of a planned sequel. Obviously it's possible I'm wrong, but I feel like it's pretty safe money to bet that direction.
@@XDeejYeah that was the conclusion I came to at the very end of the game. Im glad Im not the only one who suspects this and your video and public domain stories being the inspiration for the sequel or DLCs (im thinking a sequel) is spot on. I think it would be SO FREAKIN AWESOME for them to adapt old fairy tale stories in public domain into these noir-ish, slightly dark stories that pull from fairy tales we heard when we were children. Because often, stories and nursery rhymes have dark past or histories. I think it would be awesome for them to use this as inspiration to make games we can immerse ourselves in. Lies of P was a great game.
@@desertegle40cal Truly a revolutionary step in the soulslike genre that I'm REALLY surprised didn't get explored earlier. It's extremely fertile ground to explore further, and I'm super pumped to see a little less 'sword and shield' stuff now that a dev has shown it's possible to expand the genre a bit with something new and imaginative.
@@XDeej So am I my friend. I love these types of games. And when you throw in a few well timed jump scares im a pic in mud! LOL Thats why I absolutely fell in love and became addicted to souls-like games. Keep up with the content. Im subscribing to you simple because you might do another video involving these types of games so ill be here waiting brother! Keep it up!
