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◾ *The Lion King (2019)* 4:14 4:18 Mufasa: Scar! HELP ME! 4:27 Scar: Long live... the king! [slaps Mufasa off the cliff] 4:37 Young Simba: NOOOO! ◾ *The Lion King (1994)* Mufasa: Scar! Brother, HELP ME! Scar: Long live the king! [throws Mufasa off the cliff] Young Simba: NOOOO!
@@elbite69 what do you expect a life action lion expressing their emotions? They're not cartoonist, in real life all lions looks like grumpy. So if you hope that the lion king didn't add up face expression is absolutely ridiculous
@@andieallison6792 Yes, lions have facial expressions, although their range of expressions may be more limited. Like humans, lions use facial expressions to communicate a wide range of emotions and intentions, such as aggression, fear, contentment, and playfulness. Some of the common facial expressions of lions include wrinkling their noses and raising their upper lip to expose their teeth when they feel threatened or aggressive, and closing their eyes and relaxing their facial features when they are content or relaxed. They may also use other nonverbal cues, such as ear position, tail movement, and body posture, to communicate with other lions and with other animals in their environment. In general, lions may show signs of sadness or distress through changes in their body language and behaviour rather than just their facial expressions, like they may exhibit behaviours such as decreased activity, loss of appetite and social withdrawal. Overall their facial expressions is very limited and are not as complex as we do, plus they're likely to not noticeable to others except to other lions. That's why it's a bit difficult to say if cats are moody or happy. Lions are cats
@abc.animal514 It's a movie with singing lions mate... the desire to ascribe realism to this film is one of the most BAFFLING things i've ever seen or heard. realism is NOT achievable in this story or framework, it just ends up being a film of two halves at war with each other. the original commited to artistic license, its visuals, music etc all accentuated its story and action perfectly. it's 10 times better as a result.
even if they just added more of the wildebeast or made the canyon more narrow so they would be packed in more would have helped a lot, theres so few wildebeast and the canyon is so narrow already that simba could have just darted to the side and waited it out. In the good version, oh sorry the original, theres too many wildebeast and the canyon is too big to easily escape like that
The worst part is probably the music for me like why on earth does it get heroic sometimes ? Like aren’t you guys in trouble? It just loses the sense of them being in danger. Plus to the person who said wildebeast don’t run fast ummm not to burst your bubble they run just as fast as lions if not faster. Plus yeah the wildebeast don’t even seem to be running more like cantering or just lightly running.
I remember watching this scene, after Simba's scream at the end everyone was silent. Then one guy said "well that sucked" to which everyone laughed. A cinema full of people in their late 20s or early 30s reminiscing their childhood and they collectively agreed this live action sucked.
Of course it will suck. Remakes always suck when compared to originals. They can't be better than the shitty 1994 movies that everyone watched while being fascinated about anything. The excitement level of a stupid child is impossible to match, therefore it wasn't the point of a remake. It's good independent movie with outstanding remastered soundtrack by Hans Zimmer and some mediocre voice acting, by Beyonce for example.
@@timsonins There are many remakes that surpass the originals... The Crazies (2010) The Fly (1986) Scarface (1983) The Thing (1982) Wizard of Oz (1939)
Wow. They managed to remove every single emotion from that scene. The most emotion-loaded scene of the whole 1994 movie. Seriously. What's wrong with Disney ???
@@lindathetford3776 the soundtrack is carrying it, try watching both muted. the original still conveys intensity through character expression, lighting contrast, harsh colour, and sharp cinematography and editing that accentuates the pace of the scene. the remake conveys no character expression or emotion, not even going so far as attaching simple animal mannerisms such as how cats and lions by extension drop their ears low when they're scared. the lighting, colour and cinematography are bland and convey nothing, and the editing is laborious. putting the volume back on I'd also say that the voice-acting in the remake is so vastly inferior it borders on a joke. JD Mcrary does... okay. not bad, but clear he's more a singer than an actor, even if Jonathan Taylor Thomas sometimes came across as whiny he always conveyed the correct emotions adequately, McRary just doesn't commit. James Earl Jones voice has just faded hard, can't exactly blame him for that, but the real difference is Rowan Atkinson vs John Oliver and Jeremy Irons vs Chiwetel Ejiofor. in both cases, the former is VASTLY superior at conveying intensity and emotion. original scene is a 10/10. new version is a 4/10 with 3 or those points being entirely contingent on Hans Zimmer,
@@Omnipotentmonkey nahh, remake are more better for me even when it muted, just look at how Rafiki meet grown Simba scene. Feel free to disagree because I find remake are better, you couldn't expect a real lion to cry out loud
It sounds a bit like he was not sure who Simba is. Since Disney wanted to add realism into the movie and real male lions have several cubs, maybe they wanted him sound like he forgot about one😉
James Earl Jones was completely phoning it in. Chiwetel Ejiofor is no Jeremy Irons but at least he was actually trying. Jones clearly didn't give a shit, no doubt because he already did this movie 25 years earlier and knew the remake was just a lazy cash grab.
i remember hearing that while the music is still great and definitely amped, it just doesnt hold the same weight because it reveals beforehand that mufasa is going to die before the moment with scar. The music already feels like the fall of a king because the notes just go that way. Man the whole reason why the original was so memorable because almost no kid actually expected mufasa to die.
Then what do you expect a Scar would looks like? A cartoonist expression can't be applied to life action expression, or else it wouldn't be life action
@@wegmier1621 yes they can create any expression but if they choose to be more "realistic".. which is.. in reality.. lion do not have the same facial expressions like we do to express emotions and feelings, that is their choice and it's called "life action"
Hey, not many people like the remake but we all can agree on one thing, Hanz Zimmer can still execute an amazingly heartbreaking emotional piece of music. Also 1:22 is the only scene in this remake that is actually pretty good, I got so anxious with that shot
Watched both the original and this version's scene back to back. Here's my take on it. The original still makes me cry to this day. It's such a powerful, emotional scene thanks to how the music is used to not only compliment the scene but also explain the emotions of the characters through music. There's no topping how the music was used in the original, but there are certain moments that I think still tap into the original idea. The music sounds a little more triumphant as Mufasa is scaling the cliff. Mufasa feeling glad that Simba's been taken to safety maybe? I like how the music in the canyon sounds, though it's not nearly as good as the heart pumping sound that the original had. There's a couple of elements that I found distracting. Consider Scar's plan is to discreetly kill Mufasa and Simba. He doesn't want the whole tribe to know that he's the one who orchestrated the murder. So in the original while Zazu's panicking, Scar knocks him out specifically when he says he'll go and get the tribe. You can see the cogs in Scar's brain working as he listens to Zazu and realizes that Zazu could ruin everything for him! In the remake, it's Scar who asks Zazu to summon the rest of the tribe! What? That completely defeats the purpose of Scar's plan and makes things a whole lot harder for him! Since now he'd have to explain why he was at the gorge at the time of Mufasa's death and did nothing to help him. It works a lot better in the original, where Scar's acting quickly to clean up loose ends so his plan doesn't fail. The remake scene also paradoxically feels faster and slower at the same time? In the original, Zazu and Mufasa are chatting about the odd commotion in the gorge ("Sire, it appears the wildebeests are on the move" "Odd...") and that's when Scar shows up and informs Mufasa about the stampede. It allows the viewer to have a bit to breathe in the otherwise intense scene before ramping up on the emotion again. The scene feels more intense in the original because of the camerawork. Notice how most of the shots are low to the ground when Simba's in the gorge in the original and that's just not the case in the remake. There's a creative reason for it (emphasizing how afraid and small Simba feels in this moment), but it's also to get the viewer that much closer to the action, making the Wildebeest that much more intimidating. The camera in the original puts you at the same vantage point as Simba essentially. Being fair, there's one added scene that I liked where Simba is huddled under a groove in the terrain and that did have the same feeling as the original's camera shots.
And the way it zooms out from his eye in the original when Mufasa gets killed, showing that he saw it with his very own eyes and now has that burned into his memory. Meanwhile the remake just has the camera zooming out. Apparently, Jon Faverau (sorry if I misspelled it) doesn’t know the intentions behind the original
I personally prefer the original, definitely, but I think in the remake Scar telling Zazu to get the pride actually works far better than knocking him out. By telling Zazu to go, he can easily pretend that he was in the gorge trying to help Mufasa and Simba but tragically wasn't able to save them because nobody's around to say he wasn't, and everyone would just think that Scar sent Zazu to try and get help. Whereas in the original, surely Zazu would immediately question why Scar knocked him out when he wanted to get help for Mufasa and Simba, since knocking out someone who is trying to fetch aid is inherently suspicious, and the other lions would question that too. So Scar telling Zazu to go and get the pride is actually much more discreet than knocking him out as it makes it look like he was trying to help and gets rid of a potential witness. He could also easily fake being a bit battered by the stampede by rolling around in the dirt, throwing himself against a couple of the cliffaces or even deliberately taking a short fall from one of the lower sections of the gorge wall that Mufasa jumped down near the start.
@@starrblue8791 Exactly you are the smart one not op. Knocking Zazu out would certainly raise some red flags. Telling Zazu to get help gives him a far better chance to make up a story of what happened.
@@akashicrecords9672 I do see a few issues that moment: 1. In the opening scene to the original film at least, Scar had already made his intentions clear to Zazu that he regretted, not being in line to ascend the throne. 2. Not knocking Zazu out, means that at any moment, Zazu could potentially see that Simba had been rescued to safety, and possibly witness Mufasa being thrown to his death. These would foil Scar's plans. 3. Zazu getting knocked out makes sense- he could simply say that with all the drama going on- he lost his bearings, blacked out etc.
Angela Boyette Yeah, I know. Mufasa tells his younger brother Scar nicely to help him up from the cliff in the original while that muscular lion bosses that scraggly lion around in the remake.
@@drrandom429 Well, no. On a technical objective level, it doesn't work in the remake. Sure, it's subjective whether you like it or not - but the technical aspects will still be technical. YMS Adam explained it perfectly once how and why, better than I ever could: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OS36lqkLlu4.html
It's the same song he made with just a more dramatic tempo it's not impressive. The reason this scene mattered because it was the music plus expression of the animation.
I don’t like how Simba just starts running away without first contemplating what’s going on. I realize that in the real world you’d immediately start running, but that shot in the original where we see Simba observing the herd coming for him is what really hammers it at home that this is serious.
"perfect" scene's dogshit even if you cut those two out. cinematography is garbage, editing is genuinely PATHETIC, and voice acting is tiers and tiers below the original.
In real life if scar just let his hand out that doesn't do nothing with mufasa becoz mufasa can still climb without scar, so they add slap to feel it much better
“I’ll help them Zazu you get the pride as slowly as possible so no one sees me murder mufasa and the plot can continue just the same as the original without any of the magic”
Still smarter than "I'll go back for help, that's what I'll do, I'll go back for--- (Oh, Scar knocked me out. I'll just lie here unconscious and never mention how Scar knocked me out while Mufasa and Simba were in trouble.)
@@CMWaters910 I agree. It's way smarter for him to not mention that scar was in the Gorge for ALL THE TIME THAT SIMBA WAS GROWING and not even trying to get to Pride rock, after Scar took over, instead of... You know, just forgetting this small moment in his life, that I think, was overshadowed by the fact, that HIS BEST FRIEND DIED
I have so much to complain about. The score isnt even as good. In the original it was heavy with choir voices which helped add to the size and terror of the scene. This just sounded like instruments, which alone is fine, but compared to the source material is a major step down. The establishing shot of the wildebeast was completely removed, which ruined all feelings of payoff as the stampede poured over the edge. Not to mention the stampede doesn't seem to move even a FRACTION as fast as they did in the original, like in the original you really feel the danger bc they're moving so damn fast but in the remake it feels like they're lighting jogging. The removal of the line "Simba it's to DIE for." just wasn't smart, not to mention, not bringing back Jeremy Iron was probably one of their biggest mistakes. Like I'm sure Chiwetel Ejiofor is a wonderful actor (I haven't seen his other works), but he completely ruined Scar in this version. In the original, Scar was a smart, charismatic, calculated villain who used manipulation as his main tactic. He was entertaining bc you could see he sadistically got so much joy out of what he was doing, the way he intently watched Mufasa in the stampede, waiting for him to get trampled with Simba, the way he knocked out Zazu, the way he grinned when he grabbed Mufasa's paws, it made him so scary bc the audience could actually see, hear and feel how little guilt and remorse he had. Chiwetel Ejiofor turned him into a brawny, mean, and bored sounding villain who had no interest in anything. He took that charisma and sadistic joy and turned it more into a "I'm doing this bc I HAVE to" kind of performance, which made Scar really boring and forgettable. The moment when Simba realizes what's happening is completely taken away. In the original, they used a zoom and shadow technique to mirror the horror on Simba's face as he realizes he's right in front of a massive stampede, and that this is truly life or death. While in the remake they just use an unmoving closeup. The added moment where Mufasa actually makes it to the tree, instead of it breaking and him having to catch Simba was just a weird choice, which inherently removed the moment of tension where Mufasa gets basically side swiped and drops Simba. Then when Mufasa FINALLY gets Simba to safety, their stiff faces don't allow Simba to properly emote when Mufasa's ripped away in the current of the Stampede. In the original, the audience clearly sees his eyes darting back and forth as fast as possible, as his ears go down showing that his stomach is dropping because he can't find his dad in the chaos. In the remake you can see it a little but not nearly enough to make the audience feel the same. Then that moment of triumph when he leaps onto the side of the cliff, you can see how much effort it took in the original by the way he bows his head, scrunches his eyes, and bares his teeth. In the remake he just kind of lands on the cliff. The angles they use in the remake also don't allow us to watch Simba and Mufasa simultaneously as he climbs, seeing Simba's sudden panic when Mufasa slips, that was just a bad idea. Then we get to the climax of the scene. The moment where Mufasa reaches the edge of the cliff and it met by Scar's face. The use of shadows over Scar making him look ominous were gorgeous in the original, representing how much of himself he kept hidden from those like Simba and Mufasa, before diving into the lighting and digging his claws into Mufasa, basically revealing that he's NOT on their side. In the original, Mufasa calls out to his brother, and Scar actually responds with "brother!" before Mufasa actually begs him for help. And in the original, Mufasa literally BEGS. He actually sounds and looks terrified, while in the remake he sounds almost annoyed with Scar. And DON'T even get me started on that line delivery. MY GOD. I truly believe this was one of the worst line deliveries in cinema. In the original, he says it so smoothly and you can hear all the pent up rage, without it turning into an aggressive screaming line. Jeremy Iron's performance of the line "Long live the king." is so bone-chilling and dark, I'd say it's the biggest reason this scene is considered one of the greatest scenes in animation history. But in the remake they turned it to garbage. His truncated delivery almost makes it come off as he's trying to sound noble in his actions. It sounds as if he's the "I'm doing the right thing" villain instead of the beloved, "I know I'm a monster and love it" villain he's suppose to be. Also, I can't imagine why they had Scar hit Mufasa in the face in the remake instead of throwing him. That on top of the removal of the crescendo they used in the original to show that what you were afraid of is happening right in front of you completely takes away all the evil payoff of the scene. The angles they used as he fell totally removed that feeling of the canyon being extremely big, then again the "canyon" they used was a pitiful excuse in comparison to the absolutely MASSIVE one from the original. Mufasa and Simba's screams are separated too much, and don't carry NEARLY the same emotion as they did in the original, which makes it difficult to care. And in the aftermath, it didn't even seem like a stampede had happened. In the original there was tons of dust and debris in the air, in the remake it's just not there lmao. You can probably guess what I'm gonna say about the part where Simba finds his fathers body so I wont waste anymore of your time, but this is my (annoyingly extensive) take on this scene. And btw if you can't tell, The Lion King is and has been my biggest obsession since I was 5 years old (I'm 20 now).
You said exactly what I've been thinking about this scene. The original was so much better. It also bothered me so much that they took out the "brother" from Mufasa's line. Because it showed that Mufasa really did love his brother.
From poison in the ear to being trampled to death by wildebeest! I don't think Shakespeare ever IMAGINED an adaptation of "Hamlet" that would change the death of the king so drastically!
@@sergiolaurencio7534 The animation is great. But the voice acting, and creative choices they made completely ruined the movie. I made a stand alone comment breaking down the entire scene from the original and the remake, explaining in detail why the remake is such a failure.
@@sergiolaurencio7534 I never said you couldn't enjoy it. But from a critical standpoint, whether you like it or not, the remake was a failure. Like I said, you can read my break down in the comments, its lengthy, but I explain in detail why each choice in the original was so important, and why removing/changing some of them for the remake was a terrible idea.
@@sergiolaurencio7534 .... ok now youre just bringing up stuff that doesnt even matter in this discussion lmao??? Yeah some disney remakes are good, and yes the public is allowed to like it??? thats why i said, FROM A CRITICAL STANDPOINT. Not an opinionated standpoint. FROM A CRITICAL ONE. Idek what you mean by "an unforeseen event can always occur" like yeah? but what the fuck does that have to do with the remake being a major step down from the source material??? Also you need to learn how to type better bc you're horrible at it.
2:50, 2:59 I was moved by how the music sounded at that moment, I felt it reflected how relieved Simba felt to see his father come to save him, it gave you the feeling that everything could have turned out well. What I liked about this stampede scene, is that at least they gave Simba and Mufasa one last interaction when he tells him to jump towards him.. 3:06 and felt suddenly when the tree broke and both were separated in the stampede 1:26It was more impressive to see how before climbing the dry tree, Simba was clinging behind the rock that little by little seemed to crush him
Lion King was one of the first movies my parents took me to see as a baby. When i was growing up i'd watch it over and over again, it's how i learned to rewind a vhs. This part in the original hit me hard as a young kid, bc the stampede was horrific, Simba was caught in it, his dad saves him and is thrown off by Scar, and then Simba tries to wake him up and snuggles under his dad's paw. I'm saying this to explain that i went to see this movie and I did cry at this scene, but it was solely due to the memory of the animated movie playing in my head.
Even though there isn’t the same tension and emotion as in the original animation, we can deny that Mufasa’s roar in 2:54 is SO POWERFUL 👌👊. He was like: “Out of my way you fools”
@@Veronica-pz4gw everything was perfect accept the last scene. The "long live the king" line didn't hit as hard as the original along with mufasa falling down and simba screaming "noooo" both had more impact in the original version
The only mistakes in this scene is they removed the part where Mufasa desperately says Scar Brother Help Me and Scar knocking Zazu unconscious like he did in the OG
Inferior to the original in every conceivable way. I am so glad I haven't watched this dreck in its entirety. I was not expecting the sucker punch from Scar at the end though, lmaooooooooo you know you done goofed with your Lion King remake when I laugh HARD at Mufasa's death. Good Lord Almighty.
0:33-0:34-0:35 rocks falling down 0:44-0:45-0:46-0:47-0:48-0:49-0:50-0:51-0:52-0:53- 0:54-0:55-0:56-0:57-0:58-0:59-1:00-1:01-1:02-1:03- 1:04-1:05-1:06-1:07-1:08-1:09-1:10-1:11-1:12-1:13- 1:14-1:15-1:16-1:17-1:18-1:19-1:20-1:21-1:22-1:23- 1:24-1:25-1:26-1:27-1:28-1:29 stampede comes down the gorge, Simba runs 1:30-1:31-1:32-1:33-1:34 Mufasa, quick, stampede in the gorge, Simba’s down there 1:35-1:36 Simba 1:37 I’ll find him 1:38-1:39 Zazu, Mufasa and Scar run to the gorge 1:40-1:41-1:42-1:43-1:44-1:45-1:46-1:47-1:48-1:49- 1:50-1:51-1:52-1:53-1:54-1:55-1:56 Simba climbs on tree 1:57-1:58-1:59-2:00-2:01-2:02-2:03-2:04-2:05 Zazu flys down the gorge 2:06 Zazu 2:07-2:08-2:09 hold on, help is coming 2:11-2:12-2:13 there he is, on that tree 2:14-2:15-2:16-2:17 stampede running in the gorge, Simba holding on the tree 2:18-2:19 I’m coming Simba, hold on 2:20-2:21-2:22-2:23-2:24 Mufasa goes down the gorge 2:25-2:26-2:27-2:28 I’ll help them Zazu, you get the pride, go 2:29-2:30-2:31-2:32-2:33-2:34-2:35-2:36-2:37-2:38- 2:39-2:40-2:41-2:42-2:43 Scar looks at the gorge, Mufasa goes down the gorge 2:44-2:45 Mufasa jumps and runs in the stampede 2:49-2:50 Mufasa growls 2:53 Mufasa roars 2:54-2:55 dad 2:57 Simba 2:59 come to me son 3:01 jump 3:05 wildebeest hits Mufasa 3:14-3:15-3:16-3:17-3:18-3:19-3:20 Mufasa grabs Simba and puts him on something safe 3:21 wildebeest hits Mufasa 3:22 dad
The worst thing about betrayal is that it never comes from an enemy, it comes from your very own people(close friends, relatives, people you grew up with, people you went to school with, etc.)
I'm not sure about anyone else but i feel like mufasa could of survived that fall because it didn't look like a very high fall. Mufasa also got hit by wildbeast twice and still got up so...
Man it's so bad in this version. What the fuck was scar's voice. Not anywhere nearly as menacing or powerful as the original movie. And Simba's cry looked so forced. Guess you can't beat the originals.
What i dont understand is when mufasa got simba and put him on the rock and Then mufasa went to climb up the cliff and he should of knew scar shouldnt be trusted to help his own brother and why was there so many wild a beast keep on running it should of stopped by Then when mufasa came down
Well, Simba didn't know Scar would be that sinister to want to kill Mufasa. Simba couldn't see what was going on at the top of the cliff since he at a different angle. So he couldn't see Scar pushing Mufasa off.
I honestly don't see why everyone is hating this movie so much not everything has to be the same and they work super hard to make this movie as best possible sure it may not be perfect for some people but to me I think it looks perfect just the way it is because I was born in 1994 and this movie came out in 1994 so if everyone doesn't like the new movie they can go back to the old classic and enjoy that because I like Lion King just the way it is
Love it, especially the new version of "To Die For", with the African chorus. Love how this version of the film use elements and cast members from the broadway musical.
Everyone in the cinema was tensing up and already getting worried. Not because of Simba in danger…. But because anyone who saw the original knows what happens next 🥺
yeah, although we knew how this would end, even the music, sounding heroic, gave the feeling that everything would end well, even though it wasn't going to be like that.
The voice acting was just as emotionless as the animation..terrible. And the visuals in this scene should've been darker with more dust and gloom..that's what made the original so scary. I don't get how they missed these details
Some people here may think the animated version of The Lion King is two childish or even corny when compared to this new 2019 CGI version. In fact, some people might even try to claim which realistic animals cannot have emotions painted onto their faces in the same way which animated anthropomorphic animals can. ... I for 1, have to disagree. I have seen and heard real animals in distress, before. In this clip, as many others have plainly stated, there is no sense of impending danger or Doom. There is no fear or desperation on either Simba's face, nor mufasa's face. We cannot even see Simba's eyes starting back and forth during the second time which the wildebeest managed to knock father down and under their feet. Nor is there any devious expression visible on scar's face. The pride's tropical bird advisor is not knocked out by scar, nor even panicking during any point in this remake seen. As for the voice acting, it absolutely fails to do anything to salvage the already lackluster stampede ”sceen". A truly sad re make overall, and a tragic epic failure to capture the raw emotion demonstrated in the original film.
Zazu! Hold on! Help is coming! There he is! On that tree! (WHIMPERING) 2:18 I'm coming, Simba! Hold on! I'll help them, Zazu! You get the pride! Go! (MUFASA ROARS) 2:53 Dad! Simba! Come to me, son. Jump! (ROARS) (MUFASA GRUNTS) Dad! Scar! Help me. (GROWLS) (ROARS)
What the fuck have you smoked? Yeah, they look more realistic, but that’s the problem! They can’t express any emotion. It looks so stupid. And the movement looks slower and more boring than the original. IMO
Jesus. The lack of emotion is just kills the epicness. Realism makes the whole thing weird and almost completely remaking the scene just makes it completely pointless.
2:53 Dad! Simba! Come to me, son. Jump! (ROARS) (MUFASA GRUNTS) Dad! 4:14 Scar! Help me. (GROWLS) (ROARS) 4:27 Long live the king! (MUFASA SCREAMING) No!
1 thing I liked is how they made the gorge a lot more narrower. It adds a sense of terror to the situation. Not enough space for everyone to comfortably move around.
1:12 It’s best to run away from danger by staying right in its path; you have to be a lion Einstein to just run to the side and press yourself against the wall.
It's truly unforgivible how much they destoryed this scene, it was so powerful in the orginal but in this, there is no sense of danger, no emotions, the wilderbeast are slower. Not to mention that the death fall is laughable and pathetic
