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The Lone German Jet That Spied On Operation Overlord | Arado Ar 234 D-Day 1944 

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@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
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@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Год назад
I once met the pilot and copilot who flew this mission. Fascinating men who were heavily involved in Germany's testing program. Afer the war, one moved to Australia. The other ended up behind the iron curtain.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Yes, I believe it was Sommer who emigrated to OZ. He had a fascinating wartime career as far as I read.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Год назад
@@CalibanRising I was a wet-behind-the-ears 17-year-old caded newspaper reporter when I met the two of them as they re-united after more than 40 years. I didn't realise the significance of the event, unfortunatey.
@Anmeteor9663
@Anmeteor9663 Год назад
@@ArmouredCarriers very cool to have met them.
@PORRRIDGE_GUN
@PORRRIDGE_GUN Год назад
There was no co-pilot. The Ar234 was a single seater.
@ArmouredCarriers
@ArmouredCarriers Год назад
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN Good point. Either way, they were a testing establishment pair. My memory of the 1989 must have blended the two into the same mission.
@davidi4306
@davidi4306 Год назад
Erich Sommer lived in Adelaide, South Australia in latter years. I met him through business dealings and he told me how he had flown with KG100 and bombed Coventry early in the war. They used the X-Gerat beam bombing device. He talked about flying the 234 over Normandy and the short engine life - supposed to be 6 hours but they were stretching it to 12. The main problem was the failure of the compressor blades which were solid. Sommer said he had seen a Mustang on one flight and escaped by going into a shallow dive. The controls locked up when the plane started buffeting and he recovered by slowly winding the elevator trip up until the plane slowed.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 Год назад
I think Sommer, being a reconnaissance pilot, was also in a Ju 86 that battled in the stratosphere over the UK with modified Mk IX Spitfires. The Spitfires were barely able to intercept but it was enough to dissuade further Germans missions.
@DrScalpel29
@DrScalpel29 Год назад
@@williamzk9083 correct.
@irvinelawrence2733
@irvinelawrence2733 Год назад
The bombing of Coventry is a bit controversial...when double agents gave false intel and deliberately misled the Luftwaffe about targets, along with jamming the beam and navigational aids of the German planes, the "poor innocent civilians" of Coventry were collateral damage. That and the claim that carrots gave RAF pilots excellent vision, so as to conceal their use of radar, helped paint those bombing missions as evil...give a dog a bad name and hang it...neither side had full fledged angels in their cockpits..."There is a war you know"...so both combatants did what they deemed necessary at the time...but what do I know???
@ralfsingmann6580
@ralfsingmann6580 Год назад
Good to hear that he made it to Southern Australia. He was obviously a good pilot and after seeing too much suffering he decided to leave Europe after the war. The story itself is very interesting and I’m not sure if it’s untold up to now. However, excellent research and I’m a fan of the Arado.
@c123bthunderpig
@c123bthunderpig Год назад
The buffetting is called resonance generated by the alignment of the AOA angle of attack when the wings encounter turbulance in a dive or speed that is beyond the design capabilities of the airframe. It usually results in the break up of the aircraft. Simmers was indeed a talented pilot by recovering the aircraft. Interesting that the engines lasted less than the 262 which had a life time of 28 hours, the Arrado must have had much larger thrust capability even more interesting to have met them. Story of a life time.
@jirivorobel942
@jirivorobel942 Год назад
Great detail showing a (rather graphic) picture of an actual German column with horse-drawn wagons. It's easy to forget that jet planes and military horses overlapped, and large-scale long-distance logistics were steam-powered.
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Год назад
Actually much German transport had horses in front, during WV2.
@jirivorobel942
@jirivorobel942 Год назад
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Oh, really? Did that involve any horses?
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 Год назад
I've always found the clean lines of the AR234 to be elegant and beautiful. For some reason I am even more intrigued by the Arado than the Me262. It just looks classy, like a finished product.
@g.h.9117
@g.h.9117 Год назад
Excellent presentation! Please note you can see a perfect restored A234 at the Udvar Hazy Smithsonian museum at Dulles international Airport.... beautiful bird but great story too!
@davekisor1486
@davekisor1486 Год назад
That thing sticking up from the cockpit is the periscope for seeing behind the aircraft.
@fredkruse9444
@fredkruse9444 Год назад
Thanks, I was wondering what the heck that was.
@flimsyjimnz
@flimsyjimnz Год назад
Makes good sense -gotta wonder why it wasnt more common
@bobgreene2892
@bobgreene2892 Год назад
Well done-- narration and graphics fly smoothly. Especially noteworthy is you maintained a narrative distance from the Arado's development, to concentrate on its first operational actions.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Thanks Bob.
@charlesdemay4192
@charlesdemay4192 Год назад
This was a VERY INTERESTING VIDEO. About 25-30years ago I and my 2 brothers had the PRIVILEGE to meet and get their signatures of several TOP AVIATORS of WWII. They were at a affair held at the Sheraton Hotel in Charlotte NC off of I-85. There was the top British ace Johnie Johnson, the bombardier of the the Memphis Bell and General Adolf Galland. I was so IMPRESSED by meeting people who played a SIGNIFICANT role in WWII. 🤔😯👍
@pimziengs2900
@pimziengs2900 Год назад
When I was a child I bought and made a 1:72 scale model plane of Revell of the Arado 234. A marvelous plane! The modell still sits beautifully in my display cabinet. Respect for the dedication and quality of the video!
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Thanks for watching Pim. Wish I was good at making models, they always turned out a bit amateurish.
@Jonathan.D
@Jonathan.D Год назад
This is a great video. Videos about photo recon pique my interest because my grandfather had a small but important part in it. He was sent to the UK to resolve an issue with the photos. About the time when the Lightning was first introduced into the photo recon role, he was there to help figure out a problem with the resolution or something along those lines. I wish we had recorded him explaining what exactly he was tasked with. Listening to him as a kid I didn't realize how important of a job it was that he and his team had. The airmen risked their lives taking those pictures and the troops on the ground depended on the photos too. So they made adjustments to the development process and to the setup of the cameras. They made constant changes tweaking the process until the end of the war. There were so many new developments that came out during that period.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
No doubt your grandfather made a huge contribution to the war effort!
@Jonathan.D
@Jonathan.D Год назад
@@CalibanRising Thank you for your reply. There were so many specialist teams like my grandfather's who fixed problems that contributed to the war effort. So many of them are unknown and go unsung. I wish we could learn about more of them.
@peterlee4682
@peterlee4682 10 месяцев назад
@9:50 Arado 234 was equiped with a periscope that allowed the pilot to view behind his aircraft. Great information in the video!
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching Peter
@grzzz2287
@grzzz2287 Год назад
As so often at that stage of the war, a case of too little, too late. If the Ar-234 had been available in May 1944 to make flights over southern England, the outcome of Overlord could have been very different. Thanks for a great presentation!
@michaelshore2300
@michaelshore2300 Год назад
prototype meteors ??
@grumpyboomer61
@grumpyboomer61 Год назад
@@michaelshore2300 I'm not sure that the early Meteors had the performance to catch the 234s. It would have been interesting to find out though.
@alanwayte432
@alanwayte432 Год назад
Would have made absolutely no difference
@lonzo61
@lonzo61 Год назад
@@alanwayte432 I fully agree. I don''t think that had Arados been in more widespread use earlier, and even if ME262s had been better used, would the outcome of the war been changed. The momentum by the Allies at that stage was just too great. The Battle of the Bulge was the last, great gasp. It was initially devastating, but we recovered. With that, and with the USSR closing in from the East, there was not turning the tide. What is amazing is that the Germans did hold out for as long as they did. But I'm a schmuck. Wud do I know?
@fryertuck6496
@fryertuck6496 Год назад
Would have made no difference whatsoever. It was no secret there was an invasion force building in England.
@WayneKitching
@WayneKitching Год назад
Brilliant! I never knew about this mission, and I read about WWII aircraft since I was a young boy.
@willemvanderkraats2504
@willemvanderkraats2504 Год назад
If you like the Arado AR-234 Blitz, please be informed about a new (hardcover) book release; ARADO AR 234 BLITZ: The World's First Jet Bomber (Design & Development/Bomber & Reconnaissance Operations / Night Fighters & Projects). It is released early December, the publisher is Classic Publications (well known for their aircraft books about WWII birds), written by (the famous) J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek and costs +/- 44 pound.
@LeopardIL2
@LeopardIL2 Год назад
I noticed by the way. A little bit expensive.
@mikeryan3701
@mikeryan3701 Год назад
As a rail enthusiast I was a bit perplexed at 7.56 to suddenly see footage of a British heritage railway. Had my computer suddenly switched to a different RU-vid video? No. The commentary continued. Ah, it turned out that the British heritage railway is masquerading as the French railways of 1944. I loved the shot of the two British steam engines. And the signal box. I wonder which heritage railway it is.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
😀 I'm afraid Rene wasn't able to get the colour footage out for me.
@aldosigmann419
@aldosigmann419 Год назад
A very slick jet for the times.
@whisthpo
@whisthpo Год назад
Excellent presentation and researched information! I actually took photos of these photographs displayed in the Pegasus Museum in Ranville during a 'once in a lifetime' 17 day tour of the D Day locations [Merville Battery to Sainte-Mère-Église] some years ago now.
@vanrutgar6536
@vanrutgar6536 Год назад
26 years earlier planes were piston engines , wire and canvas, open cockpits . Amazing leap in such a short time .
@frutt5k
@frutt5k Год назад
German engineering. They lost, because their enemy had infinite supplies of everything.
@TeenWithACarrotIDK
@TeenWithACarrotIDK Год назад
@@frutt5k in general, the German military wasn’t too advanced compared to the other nations they fought, but some of the special vehicles they had and the tech they made behind the scenes were brilliant.
@frutt5k
@frutt5k Год назад
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK You're wrong and if you would have lived in 1940 you'd have been dead wrong.
@stefanebert7171
@stefanebert7171 Год назад
Great channel. Many thanks! Best from Hamburg, Germany
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Danke schön Stefan! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@jodypitt3629
@jodypitt3629 Год назад
Hi Caliban, there is just one surviving Arado Ar.234, she is on display at The Smithsonian and as an artist I have drawn her.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Nice! I found it hard to locate any photos I could use of the A model.
@michaeldavidson1909
@michaeldavidson1909 Год назад
Brave men on both sides.
@alyciamarrison2916
@alyciamarrison2916 Год назад
Facinating story id never heard of!
@craighaldane3596
@craighaldane3596 Год назад
That's an amazing story and one I've never heard of. Loved it thanks and away to check out other stories you've done as just found your channel.
@robertmaybeth3434
@robertmaybeth3434 Год назад
Nice video about this under-represented German jet. There's lots to find about Me-262 but very little about this one. The amazing thing is so many German "secret weapons" could have been ready in the early years of the war - Heinkel first flew a jet in 1939 - but Hitler and the Germans already had so many self imposed handicaps it didn't matter. Around 1941 Hitler ordered the cancellation of all new aircraft programs that could not be completed in a year. Then he launched Barbarossa, which might be the finest example of the madness of rule by one man of the 20th century.
@ravenclaw8975
@ravenclaw8975 Год назад
Thank you. A super presentation and well-researched!
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@virtuafighter3
@virtuafighter3 Год назад
Very good video. Very detailed and the commentary is compelling.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Much appreciated!
@tplyons5459
@tplyons5459 Год назад
I was in photo recon in Viet Nam 1966-67. Loved the video
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Wow, you must have some stories to tell! Thanks for watching.
@glowskulls100
@glowskulls100 Год назад
Nice one thank you, I had never come across this before.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad you found it interesting. Thanks for watching
@tomsen413
@tomsen413 Год назад
Great video..perfect pace of speaking…and very accurate and detailed info!!!…Thank you!
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Thank you for that feedback, I appreciate it Juanjo.
@porter4962
@porter4962 Год назад
Well a very interesting story about an outstanding airplane. Could imagine that after the war the allies catched quite a portion from this technologie for the post war development of their avionautic industry. Great Video!
@mikesmith2905
@mikesmith2905 Год назад
Nice summary of a little known unit, thanks.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad you liked it
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 Год назад
An extremely interesting video. Thanks. I did know the Germans were using Arado's for reconnaissance but that was sometime ago and not in such detail. I do know that one had flown down the River Humber, which I believe was after this event and may have been the four engined version. Why this flight took place is unknown and there was no follow up. The late Eric Brown was due to test fly one of these bomber and had a lucky escape. He had run the engines up ready for takeoff when one suddenly exploded with parts crashing into the fuselage. You can imagine what would have happened a few minutes later if it had just taken off.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Wow, a lucky escape indeed
@cornellkirk8946
@cornellkirk8946 Год назад
Are you sure?? I’m virtually certain he said that was a me262 and it has been sabotaged by ground staff. I think you need to read his book again and check
@53jed
@53jed Год назад
The Arado Ar 324 was originally intended to be a reconnaissance plane. Winkle Browm was a remarkable man.
@Spit823
@Spit823 Год назад
That’s exactly the point of engine run ups before take off
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 Год назад
@@cornellkirk8946 No, it was definatelly an Arado. Of course there was very little he did not test fly. As well as sabotage the ground crews destroyed much of the paperwork so the number of hour on each engine were not known. After some 25 hours the engine had to be rebuilt.
@exharkhun5605
@exharkhun5605 Год назад
Loved this story. Does anyone know if the photos that were taken by the Germans of the Normandy bridgehead are available anywhere in print or on the internet? Would love to see what this video hints at: how much the Germans actually knew what was happening and when.
@TeddyBear-ii4yc
@TeddyBear-ii4yc Год назад
Did he say the Arado over flew Normandy 57 days after D Day?
@exharkhun5605
@exharkhun5605 Год назад
@@TeddyBear-ii4yc He says 58 in the first sentence of the video. But you never know with these dyslexic new dads with their traitorous spell checkers. 😁
@TeddyBear-ii4yc
@TeddyBear-ii4yc Год назад
@@exharkhun5605 57 -58? That's still near 2 months after D Day. That's my point... while some may say "better late than never", I wonder if "for want of a nail the horse was lost" is more apt? Substitute 'recon photo' for 'nail'! 🙂
@exharkhun5605
@exharkhun5605 Год назад
@@TeddyBear-ii4yc Absolutely. It's way past all the British and Canadian operations near Caen and it's a week after operation Cobra starts. But a quick look on wikipedia mentions 12-21 August 1944 for the battle of the Falaise pocket so it may have helped with so many German soldiers escaping. That's 1 thing I find fascinating. The other thing that interests me is that a part of the Normandy narrative is that the German high command is indecisive and was waiting for a "real invasion" somewhere else. But if they had no idea what was actually happening that changes the narrative a bit. (not that I want to exonerate the nazi generals and hitler, far from that, I'd be typing this in German if my country weren't liberated by the allies back then)
@ldkbudda4176
@ldkbudda4176 Год назад
@@exharkhun5605 So typing your messege in English is better than in German?
@mudkoerfgen9843
@mudkoerfgen9843 Год назад
Awesome stuff 👍🙃🦘🍺 much appreciated here in Perth Western Australia
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Cheers mate!
@charlesarmstrong5292
@charlesarmstrong5292 Год назад
Very interesting. Thanks for shining a light into this previously unlit corner.
@thelastroman7791
@thelastroman7791 Год назад
I’m always fascinated by German stories from the Second World War. They offer unique insights into the nature of war and of the human heart.
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Год назад
What human heart Tell that to the Russians
@thelastroman7791
@thelastroman7791 Год назад
@@jacktattis The human heart can feel many emotions outside of love. For example, when I read your comment. My heart was filled with contempt.
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Год назад
@@thelastroman7791 It does not change the facts 10 million were slaughtered in their Camps. Transport trains went through countless towns and the people could not smell the stench that came from them ?Case in Point The Allied troops liberated a camp, they could smell it from miles away the people in the town almost next to it claimed they did not know what was happening. Well a few days later all of them were marched to the camp and had to carry the dead bodies Then they bloody knew. Capt Eric Brown a German admirer before the war and even ambivalent during it was so disgusted by their actions at Belsen he turned away from them. Capt Charles Upham VC /bar never had a German item in his house post war
@thelastroman7791
@thelastroman7791 Год назад
@@jacktattis I’m well aware of everything you just mentioned, I’m not so foolish that I’d somehow deny the Holocaust. My views on this matter are a bit more nuanced regarding this topic and can be seen as a bit more complex than the average observer, to say the least.
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Год назад
@@thelastroman7791 It is the casual observer you will be dudded unless they have the full picture a
@eottoe2001
@eottoe2001 Год назад
TY. Great video.
@rsacchi100
@rsacchi100 Год назад
Very detailed. Thank you for posting.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@jbrowne9381
@jbrowne9381 Год назад
Excellent video. The Me 262 jet engines were limited to between 10 and 35 hours of total use because of restrictions on the strategic materials needed for longer-lasting turbines. How did the Ar 234 operate for weeks on end? Did they somehow get preferential access to nickle of cobalt? Or did they use a different technology than the Me 262?
@kirgan1000
@kirgan1000 Год назад
The early Junkers Jumo 004 engines used proper (and expensive) heat resisting metal alloy, later Junkers Jumo 004 engines was build usig (cheap) "sheet steel" So I gess the Arado Ar 234 did use the early Junkers Jumo 004 engines. Few Me-262 pilot survive 5 combat misson and "used up" the engines, so there was no "need" to make the turbin blade more lasting. If the pilot did survive 5 combat misson, he was a ace (or close to be one) and can be given a new set of engines, alternative the orginal engines did have a deep maintenance/re-buld work .
@adrianparsons1185
@adrianparsons1185 Год назад
If you read more carefully, it says the engines only lasted 6 hours but they managed to get 12 hours out of them, they would then have to swap them out, like helicopter engines in Vietnam. I heard Eric "winkle" Brown, the first allied test pilot to fly one talk about it, except the engine blew up on the runway, he blamed the ground crew for giving him an over-houred engine or sabotage. The high Nickel alloys that the British had were still secret, the Meteor was not allowed to fly over the channel.
@powerjets3512
@powerjets3512 3 месяца назад
The metals is a red herring. The problem with these early jet engines was controlling them not to exceed the temperatures under the operating conditions. Flying high in cold air at a constant speed helped. Thus recon better than combat. Taxing and all rapid settings was dangerous. Of course the problems were much bigger with axial engines than centrifugal ones. The British had both engine types but only flew centrifugal until the inherent problems were fixed. Today, you have electronic management controls with measurements and control variables.
@msgfrmdaactionman3000
@msgfrmdaactionman3000 Год назад
Great history video, thank you! The German's learned mainly that they had lost the war.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Yes, I think you are right there.
@flimsyjimnz
@flimsyjimnz Год назад
Aach Fritz, forr yoo zee varr iss overr
@bobjames874
@bobjames874 Год назад
Outstanding video. Great photos, context driven background information and period photographs. Your pacing, voice intonation and pitch were very good as well. You have a new sub and I look forward to more content.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ThePeter123a
@ThePeter123a Год назад
Later in 1944, the Arado 234 was based at Biblis Airfield in southern Hesse. In order to be able to take off the planes better, the central reservation of the Reichsautobahn was concreted.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Interesting.
@enyawrebbuj9458
@enyawrebbuj9458 Год назад
Respect to men such as Sommer and others that despite odds faced immense challenges bravely and professionally displaying tremendous self sacrifice and sense of duty.
@byosvaldo794
@byosvaldo794 Год назад
excellent video, great work, congratulations!
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad you liked it!
@irvinelawrence2733
@irvinelawrence2733 Год назад
FANTASTICHE!!!
@jaykaufman9782
@jaykaufman9782 Год назад
Amazing job!
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Thank you!
@Fer-De-Lance
@Fer-De-Lance Год назад
Very interesting. Thank you so much for sharing.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@plflaherty1
@plflaherty1 Год назад
Nice job. Did not know of these missions.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
It was very interesting researching this mission!
@davidllewis4075
@davidllewis4075 Год назад
All the tales of WW2 will never be told.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Very true.
@stubi1103
@stubi1103 Год назад
My father was a pilot at the 2nd NJG 3 in Denmark. He told me about the activities during July and August 1944. I'll make it short, the idiots were all in the RLM and the OKL. And there were no qualified personalities in the Luftwaffe command, the best example was Herman Goering, who had no idea about modern air warfare and radio measurement technology. That we didn't have long-range four-engine bombers but attacked a country like Russia speaks for the stupidity of the top leadership. A He 177 had to have dive combat capability, what a crap. We had the best engineers but it was all like pearls before swine...
@markrowland1366
@markrowland1366 Год назад
A pilot of one or these reported to his fellows the fields of war material, ships, boats etc some weeks prior to the invasion.
@mabbrey
@mabbrey Год назад
great vid
@badllama8090
@badllama8090 Год назад
Great story & video chap 👍🖖🤘🤙✌👌👏
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Cheers mate!
@mabbrey
@mabbrey Год назад
gonna be a great channel
@sblack48
@sblack48 Год назад
Do all these photos still exist? A goldmine for historians. I didn’t know this airplane played such an important role. I saw one at the Smithsonian.
@zen4men
@zen4men Год назад
Here is a story for you might wish to cover! Aged 14 in 1974, I was sent to stay in a farmhouse to the east of Caen in Normandy, to learn the language. I took with me my metal-detector. The owner was a young girl in July 1944, and the farmhouse was full of German officers. ...... The building was long and thin, and the gardens to the north were 3 narrow strips, each bordered by a 6 or 7 foot high stone wall, with an orchard to the east. One afternoon, they became aware of very low flying aircraft, and I mean VERY low. ...... Cannon rounds punched into the west end wall, a FW 190 blew up, and within 10 metres of the farmhouse, cartwheeled across the strips of garden, ending up in the orchard. ...... All across the strips of garden, I found British brass 20 mm shell cases with my metal detector - the planes were right on the deck, and the British plane was very close behind. Although all large parts of the FW 190 were long gone, I recovered a large kitbag of small parts from the FW 190, including cockpit dials, and even live cannon rounds. ...... Hard to imagine getting those through Customs nowadays! I knew someone who collected deactivated ammo in a big way, so they went to him. / I have looked many times on Google Earth to find that farmhouse, with no luck. I remember enough for it to be found, if someone such as yourself were to make the call. It really is a stunning story of WW2 that deserves to be told! The names of the pilots deserve to be known. Just imagine how close that British aircraft was for the cannon shell cases to follow the track of the FW 190 as it cartwheeled across that garden. One could still see the infilled holes in the west wall! Best wishes, Zen
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Interesting story. If you had access to the right records I'm sure someone could track it down. If you'd like, you can send me an email with the details you remember. caliban@calibanrising.com
@zen4men
@zen4men Год назад
@@CalibanRising OK willdo - as soon as bad headcold gone, been a rough few days!
@petermuller7681
@petermuller7681 Год назад
Danke. Sehr interessant.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Bitte!
@soppdrake
@soppdrake Год назад
01:45 LF five, three or drei? Very interesting vid! Thankyou for the upload! 🙏🏽
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Badly accented drei
@jacksavage4098
@jacksavage4098 Год назад
Great video.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@narabdela
@narabdela Год назад
Great video, makes a change from some of the poorly researched WW2 aviation dross coming from some RU-vidrs recently. BTW I can thoroughly recommend Erich Sommer's book "Luftwaffe Eagle".
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Cheers mate. I did my research from other books but this is now on my "to read list", thanks!
@powerjets3512
@powerjets3512 Год назад
This was a big plane with the same unreliable engines as in the Me-262, which also could hardly take-off. Engine failure on first flight. Recon mission helped the engines as they were at higher colder condition with the throttle not being moved much. They were not that high or fast either. Surprise on their side for sure.
@commandingjudgedredd1841
@commandingjudgedredd1841 Год назад
They may have been the enemy, but they certainly made military aviation history with their new jet powered recce Arado's. And very very lucky indeed not to have been even noticed in all that time. Amazing! To think the Luftwaffe had a good piston engined recce plane to begin with, didn't they? Which I think was the specially adapted/pressurised Junkers Ju86. (Until the RAF got the better of them).
@ottovonbismarck2443
@ottovonbismarck2443 Год назад
That pressurized version of the Ju-86 was the U-2 of its day. Fw-200, Ju-88, Do-17 etc. were all used as recce aircraft; add all the flying boats and fighter conversions and you actually get quite a lot.
@rp9674
@rp9674 Год назад
Yeah really unfortunate about the evil genocidal maniacal aggression
@commandingjudgedredd1841
@commandingjudgedredd1841 Год назад
@@ottovonbismarck2443 No doubt about it, the Luftwaffe had a variety of recce planes. Just that the Ju86 recce version, sticks out for its said superior altitude which for a while at least, made it impervious to allied interception.
@ottovonbismarck2443
@ottovonbismarck2443 Год назад
@@commandingjudgedredd1841 I'd have to look it up, but IIRC there was a variant of the Spitfire which was purpose-built especially to deal with that problem and occasionally they were successful in intercepting the Ju.
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Год назад
Sept 44 is when the Arado first appeared someone is not telling us the facts
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Год назад
I saw in a film, that a German pilot (Erich Sommer?) had a periscope mounted on the Arado, to be able to look behind him, when going slow during landings (The only time allied fighters could follow an Arado, or other German jets!) and it looks like the plane shown, also have one on top. But an American officer, collecting German advanced weapons after the war, was told by a proud German crew, that they could change an engine, even in the field, on a Messerschmidt 262 in half an hour! So the short lifespan was only a problem if they had no spares.
@damianousley8833
@damianousley8833 Год назад
The Arado 234s were interesting aircraft, but like most of the German airforce effort late in the war, it arrived too late to be decisive. The photo reconisance units could only deliver bad news as the allies advanced. Mind you once the Arado 234s if it was known to the allies the speed of the early gloster meteors matched and even exceeded the Arado 234. It would have been a one-sided interception with the allies using portable radar defence systems to track the German photoreconisance jets over the allied front lines. Imagine the 4 x 20mm cannon on the meteor tearing up the Arado into pieces with a rear attack with the pilot in the Arado 234 with an almost blind spot to the rear. He wouldn't have known what had hit him.
@andrewclayton4181
@andrewclayton4181 Год назад
The PR of southern Britain during the invasion build up was poor to non-existent that was a major failing. A single sweep of photos, taking several weeks to develop and assess is also less than satisfactory, it soon becomes out of date on a rapidly changing battlefront. The allies used repeated visits so a developing time line of enemy activity could be perceived. The video also highlights the pressure the Germans were under to forcibly grow and use technology before it was fit for purpose. Interesting video though, I didn't know these jets had been used like this.
@exharkhun5605
@exharkhun5605 Год назад
I think you were betrayed by your spell checker. The title should probably say Overlord instead of Overload. In fact, the reverse seems to be true too, if there ever was an operation Overload, which doesn't sound to unlikely, it will be the most secretive operation in history because Google directs any mention of it to Overlord. 🙂
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Yeah, it's a combination of new dad brain and dyslexia there.
@rp9674
@rp9674 Год назад
That's hilarious, I failed the spelling test
@jonathanryan5860
@jonathanryan5860 Год назад
A carefully balanced presentation, and well presented. Luckily for the Allies, the German high command, even when presented with the photographic evidence, often completely ignored reality, and continued to manoeuvre as previously ordered. One of Hitler's senior advisor's, would not accept that Paris had changed hands, and because Hitler had ordered it's destruction, said that if any allied troops got near, all they would find is a pile of rubble. He refused to tell Hitler. All of that brave, and skillful flying, was a waste of fuel!
@brianbarwick9299
@brianbarwick9299 Год назад
Summer emigrated to Australia and only died a few years ago. His daughter lives in South Australia
@yakacm
@yakacm Год назад
It's always struck me, even as the war was coming to an end, how much the Germans relied on horse drawn transport.
@EllieMaes-Grandad
@EllieMaes-Grandad Год назад
The railways at 7:57 are not French of 1944, but currently preserved equipment on railways in Britain.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Well spotted. Call it an attempt at ambience. Unfortunately I don't know one end of a train from the other.
@_Zekken
@_Zekken Год назад
The Green one going backwards is a British Rail Britannia class, and the black one going forwards is a Stanier Black 5. :P
@EllieMaes-Grandad
@EllieMaes-Grandad Год назад
@@_Zekken Both too clean to be in BR days!
@chriscraven33
@chriscraven33 Год назад
THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA,,,high flying planes spying on the enemy taking pictures of troops etc. but problems made this concept difficult. Weather, June was mucky conditions and couldn't see much to photograph, radio positions the enemy and about whats going on down below was impossible to see unless flying closer to the ground which could result being shot down by small arms fire. AND, whatever photos you took were hours old and battle field conditions have changed.
@Packless1
@Packless1 Год назад
...for simmilar reasons the SR-71 was retired... 🙁 ...a great fast and high flying reconnaisence-plane, nearly invulnerable to any attack... 👍👍👍 ...but too expecive to operate...! ☹☹☹
@jackhammer111
@jackhammer111 Год назад
if it tried to fly over normandy on or in the first days after d day it would have been shot down. the first flight was nearly 2 months after the invasion began and the allies didn't have the same cap over Normandy they did in the first weeks where they shot down or chased off everything.
@Joe-lb8qn
@Joe-lb8qn Год назад
My dad was in germany near the end of the war in the uk army, he was in an anti aircraft battalion. He said they saw a couple of ? Me262? Which were so fast they had zero chance of shooting at them their equipment (which was anyway mostly used for high level barrages) simply wasnt up to the job. But they just flew over and did nothing in terms of attacks as far as he knew
@anthonyxuereb792
@anthonyxuereb792 Год назад
Photos should have been much better than those taken by piston engined aircraft, no vibrations and should have yielded excellent results especially with excellent German optics.
@Eric-kn4yn
@Eric-kn4yn Год назад
Yes I've read a allied recce a/c hit by flak caused vibration spoiling photos
@Frege100
@Frege100 Год назад
Very interesting video but I do wish people would throttle back on "could have changed the course of the war" speculations that have no basis in fact. Lack of reconnaissance was pretty low on the list of German problems in the summer of 1944. Even once the Allies had landed the Germans didn't know if this was the main landing and a few recon flights were not going to tell them. It wouldn't have changed much anyway as the defence of Normandy was largely static. The Germans were ground down rather than out manoeuvred. The video is interesting enough not to need any flaky "war changing" hype. If the war had dragged on for a year the much improved Meteor Mark IV would have had the Ardo for breakfast and the Germans didn't have the materials to improve the Jumo 004. In fact the engine performance deteriorated as the war progressed probably because of bad fuel.
@karlkirchweger4427
@karlkirchweger4427 Год назад
Fuel quality for jet engine is not so determining as for piston engines
@Frege100
@Frege100 Год назад
@@karlkirchweger4427 That is true but it accelerates corrosion which exacerbated the issues with relatively poor quality materials.
@mlee6136
@mlee6136 Год назад
I’m a bit of a war buff, this is the first time I’ve heard of the Arado. Amazing story..
@alexyelado491
@alexyelado491 Год назад
This was a super interesting video mate! Is the picture of Ar234 at 5:36 from the udvar hazy museum?
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Yes, that's the one!
@Sciolist
@Sciolist Год назад
Were there any Me-262 reconnaissance variants
@marcalvarez4890
@marcalvarez4890 Год назад
U2 and SR-71 have entered the chat.
@cinilaknedalm
@cinilaknedalm Год назад
Dude this is amazing, you just need to get a better microphone set up. Subscribed!
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Cheers mate. Still working on the sound so thanks for the feedback.😀
@tashatsu_vachel4477
@tashatsu_vachel4477 Год назад
I think they could have provided an excellent coverage of the collapse of the German position. Control of the air had long since been lost and with it the land battle against a greatly superior force.
@Eric-kn4yn
@Eric-kn4yn Год назад
Are those photos available today
@kolbjrnhalvorsen863
@kolbjrnhalvorsen863 Год назад
I believe this plane was called the Ar 234 and not Ar 324.
@williamtraynor-kean7214
@williamtraynor-kean7214 Год назад
Was the Arado 324 missions in August 1944 nearly two months after Overlord.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
Operation Overlord officially ended at the end of August.
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Год назад
@@CalibanRising Yes but by then the Allies were well into France
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
@@jacktattis True. The point I was making was not to confuse Operation Neptune (D-day) with Operation Overlord, the hard-won Normandy campaign.
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Год назад
@@CalibanRising tHANKS
@patnor7354
@patnor7354 Год назад
Would have made a big difference if they could have photographed the staging areas in England...
@thomasshoff6512
@thomasshoff6512 Год назад
The Arado represents brilliance pushed by desperation. It also shows the then arrogant views of British and American military, not taking the jet seriously(due to cost overruns likely).
@Wolfen443
@Wolfen443 Год назад
A first for Gaman aviation, if they had more of them and a decent amount of weapons load they could have attached the beachheads with maybe some success at first.
@phillyfanist
@phillyfanist Год назад
i think there is an important distinction to make here: the ME-262 and the AR-234 used the same engine. the 262 was in development and had its first flight around the end of the battle of france, after which Goering removed the priority for the 262's development, believing that the war in the west was all but won and the need for a jet fighter was therefore more redundant than a priority. I think that had this decision not been made, we would have seen the 262 enter service by early 1943 and the 234 would have entered service earlier as well and then we would have seen a much different war, just in terms of aircraft development. if the allies had been presented with significant numbers of jet fighters and bombers earlier in the war, i think that we would have seen earlier development of the meteor as a response, and it would have been pressed into service doing combat air patrol over the western front to counter the high speed jets the germans were putting up. as a side note, had the 234 been operational earlier and in greater numbers, i think we would have seen the addition of defensive armament to the aircraft as the allies countered its speed capabilities and it is an interesting thought exercise to consider how that would have impacted its performance. depending on the number of guns, amount of ammo and type and shape of the turrets, its entirely possible that its cruising speed would have dropped to within the range that the fastest fighters of the day might have been able to catch it in level flight at maximum speed. but thats just a thought exercise. cheers.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
That's a very interesting analysis Kyle. The "winner" mentality made them complacent. How does this tie into the planned move into the East?
@jbepsilon
@jbepsilon Год назад
@@CalibanRising Even more so than against the Western allies, the Nazis considered themselves superior to the Slavic people in the east. The idea that they would have needed jet planes against the Soviets probably sounded laughable to them. As for the attack on the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa) the plan was to crush the Soviets before winter (which is why later they found themselves deep in the USSR during the winter but without any winter equipment. Oops). So in light of this expectation of a short war both on the western and eastern fronts, focusing effort on producing existing production ready aircraft instead of doing R&D on fancy futuristic concepts like jet power probably sounded like a wise decision. Of course later on as they realized the war was dragging on and they were actually in trouble and could have used all these futuristic weapons, it was too late.
@phillyfanist
@phillyfanist Год назад
@@CalibanRising well I think there’s two ways to tie the war in the east into this. First, if we take events as they happened historically and simply remove the decision to slow the 262’s development, then I think we would see it’s introduction to combat by mid 1942. Had they done that then it’s really kind of dealer’s choice of where to employ it. On the one hand the allied bombing raids are still building to their full operational potential, and thus the allies lack the air superiority to demand its use in the west. On the other hand, using it on the western front in significant numbers would free up more 109’s and 190’s to be sent to the eastern front which might have been the smarter choice since they already had the capability to carry bombs (this is all also assuming the 262 doesn’t get delayed by hitler’s demand that it be redesigned to carry bombs, i.e. the early models don’t have that capability). On the other hand, you can deploy the early 262’s in limited quantities during operation Barbarossa, and hopefully modify them in the field to carry bombs once air supremacy is achieved. In limited numbers though, I don’t think they would have as much of an impact in the east as they might in the west due to a few factors: first, the luftwaffe as it was at the start of operation Barbarossa decimated the vvs. At that early stage, the Germans saw great success against the obsolete fighters and bombers the soviets had at the time and with the speed differential between the German fighters and the soviets, German pilots didn’t have much time to line up their shots. In that regard I think the speed of the 262 would have been detrimental to their overall combat effectiveness simply owing to the issues with their engines. Throttle movements had to be slow and steady or they could risk damaging them, and the engines took a long time to spool up when adding power. The second factor to consider is are the 262’s deployed with or without the capability to carry bombs. Assuming the arado is in the pipeline and is expected to become operational by the end of 1942, you could theoretically use the 262’s in a ground attack role by making strafing attacks with its 30mm cannon. In that role it might be more effective by strafing trains, aaa positions and convoys, maybe even artillery positions. The great equalizer though would be getting hit by ground fire, and the 109’s and 190’s are better suited for that environment in my opinion, but it’s hard to say how that would have played out. As for the soviets developing their own jets earlier, I don’t think they would have. They were on the back foot early on and any jets they would have gotten likely would have come from the western Allies through the lend lease program. What I do think the reality would have been is most likely the 262’s would have gotten used on the western front allowing for more 109’s and 190’s to be sent to the east which could have tipped the scales further in Germany’s favor. Assuming the arado comes into service by mid 1943, it might have been able to make an impact in the east, perhaps affecting the battle of Stalingrad by flying interdiction missions, and it possibly could affect the outcome of the battle of Kursk, but both of those scenarios require it to be available in large numbers and I think that’s being really generous with Germany’s manufacturing capacity by that stage of the war.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
@@jbepsilon I was also thinking if there was a racial element to this in addition to a military one. Worth doing a bit of research into this I think.
@andrewforward3812
@andrewforward3812 Год назад
the AR 324 did have defensive guns firing out of 6'0 clock. The Preiscope was the aiming periscope for them. There was one Mustang P51D shot down over Aachen or Cologne by this configuration. There are some reports from German and US side about this air victory. By the way, the AR 234 was far away from a "normal" bomber. It size is more about the P39 and is very agile, not like a Me-410, Ju-88 or something like a B-17, etc.
@gowensbach2998
@gowensbach2998 Год назад
That is a big maybe, had the Arado been ready sooner. It would still have had to overcome fuel shortages, and Hitlers intervening orders. But maybe.
@julianmhall
@julianmhall Год назад
Oops.. in the video title you have 'D Day' but as you say in the video this was much later.
@alanhaynes418
@alanhaynes418 Год назад
One of these did a reconnaissance mission over East Anglia the day before the end of the war in Europe. What the benefit of this was, I do not know. Perhaps it was just operational inertia.
@lonzo61
@lonzo61 Год назад
Wouldn't these planes, even if at 34K feet altitude, have shown up on allied radar? Or perhaps the radar used by ground forces was the type used tactically, such as might be found on advance fighter strips or by use of AA batteries concerned more with conventional GAF planes such as fighters or the then current crop of bombers such as JU88s and ME410s. None of these planes would likely have been flying that high under those conditions (they would not have been after US bombers that far to the west). Even so, I am left wondering if they were ever picked up on any allied radar and dismissed as not being a threat, or not being sure whose aircraft they even were. Just very curious. This is a nicely done mini-doc, but I have yet to see any documentary ever done that gets all the details right. That, I have found, is impossible.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
I think this is a very interesting question. I'm no expert on 1940s radar, so I can only guess that they weren't detected or their speed made them appear differently on the scope to conventional aircraft. I'll have to research the extent of radar in 1944 in the Normandy area.
@lonzo61
@lonzo61 Год назад
@@CalibanRising The US and Britain had, by the Normandy invasion, very advanced radar that was of the microwave type--something the Germans never figured out. That was developed and industrialized through a huge effort spearheaded by Alfred Loomis, and scaled up at the MIT "rad lab". From 1942 until early 1944, the effort to fully exploit microwave radar technology was so successful that we had sets of all kinds in all kinds of applications--such as was employed in semi-autonomous AA batteries that incorporated a central control trailer housing a radar unit and analog computer. But as I mentioned, I suspect that most of the radar in use on the continent was of the tactical variety. Although, maybe these AA batteries would have been able to track "bandits" as high as 34,000 feet. I just don't know what the total radar battlefield strategy and utilization looked like in the summer of '44. This is why I am guessing that most of the radar in use would have been smaller sets that could detect aircraft in a more tactical scenario--which is to say they would see aircraft at medium to low altitudes. They would not have been expecting Luftwaffe aircraft to be flying so high, but I have no idea if that is the case. If you think about it, that is a reasonable assumption since it's mostly strategic bombers of the day that would have been flying that high. Even then, our bombers were typically flying at around 25 to 28K feet. Who would have been expecting such high flying Kraut aircraft? And maybe they were seen, but it was assumed they were our planes. Or perhaps the AA batteries could not possibly shoot that high anyway. And even if there were air controllers who were tracking them, perhaps they knew that it was unlikely they could get a sortie up to that height in time to take a crack at them. Allied fighters of the time would surely have been able to climb that high, but their performance probably would have suffered. I just don't know. Maybe allied planners knew of the development of the Arado through the spy network, but perhaps too little was known to understand their potential. Everything I am writing is speculation here. I'm very curious to know that answer. I knew from reading years ago that the Arado was a photo-recon plane, but I knew few details such as those revealed in this mini-doc. I never stop being fascinated by this war and what I am still learning about it.
@CalibanRising
@CalibanRising Год назад
@@lonzo61 Thanks for the extra information, very interesting.
@guykurtz422
@guykurtz422 Год назад
classic over ambitious engineers, evil impatient governments.....itza long story, this aircraft iz one interesting detail 👌
@BarrettSlimmer
@BarrettSlimmer Год назад
I wonder why the Germans never thought of using KG200 aircraft for photo reconnaisance.
@lo-fidevil2950
@lo-fidevil2950 Год назад
It's interesting how intensely some people enjoy fantasizing about some German weapon or another changing the outcome of WWII. Whether it's this recon plane, the Tiger tank, the StG 44, there's always someone saying "if only Germany had build more of [whatever], things might have turned out different." Personally, I don't think so. By 1944, the allies had won air supremacy. (Incidentally, to accomplish this, U.S. pilots had to seek out Germans - often multi-aces - over France and meticulously kill them. The Arado pilots flew brief, unopposed recon missions over friendly territory. I'm not saying they weren't brave, but by World War II standards I'd hardly call that "epic.") At any rate, having destroyed the Luftwaffe, the allies could operate at any time without regard to time of day or weather. The Germans could only operate at night or with cloud cover. The allies enjoyed robust, unassailable supply lines free of harassment. German supplies were built by slaves and had to traverse miles of territory where everybody hated them. So if Germany had deployed the Arado recon plane a little earlier would we all be speaking German? Not sure why you find that idea so attractive, but no, we wouldn't. Eisenhower would have read the same speech. Conceivably on a different date, but the Germans were never going to win.
@jbepsilon
@jbepsilon Год назад
I don't think anyone sane would prefer a Nazi victory in WWII. The fascination with German Wunderwaffen is, I think, more to do with that, on paper at least, some of them were ahead of their time. Of course all of them were (luckily!) too little too late. To the extent there was any one single thing equipment-wise in all of WWII that made a difference, it was the US industrial war machine that produced an absolutely staggering number of ships, planes, guns, and everything imaginable.
@karlkirchweger4427
@karlkirchweger4427 Год назад
From the beginning Hitlers war was much to big for Germany. Even two or three german atomic bombs would not have changed the game.
@julianmhall
@julianmhall Год назад
Re technicalities of photography. Flying that much faster must have meant faster shutter speeds and wider aperture to get images as crisp as slower aircraft?
@TheGrenadier97
@TheGrenadier97 Год назад
I think that the Ar 324 was much more well-suited for photo-reconnaissance missions than for any sort of bombing mission. But in any case it came too late.
@powerjets3512
@powerjets3512 Год назад
After the rocket assisted take-off and jettisoning the undercarriage it could probably drop a hand grenade or two from 30000 ft. That is if the pilot looked after the engines.
@drstrangelove4998
@drstrangelove4998 4 месяца назад
@@powerjets3512you do realise the ‘rato’ rocket assist was copied by the allies post war don’t you right into the next decades. They weren’t there because the Arado couldn’t take off without them, they were there to take off on short runways.
@drstrangelove4998
@drstrangelove4998 4 месяца назад
@@powerjets3512there’s always one isn’t there with some snide remark… 🙄
@powerjets3512
@powerjets3512 4 месяца назад
@drstrangelove4998 you do realise that because the engines had such bad weight to power ratios that they needed extremely long runways. What I said was correct. What I am trying to explain is the limits of the engines. You needed 2 engines for the Me-262 and 4 would have been needed for a bomber. The comments are not mocking but factual, but then that somebody persuaded the Nazis leadership to build it was an achievement.
@powerjets3512
@powerjets3512 4 месяца назад
@@drstrangelove4998 Because of the engines poor power to weight ratio it could not take off from short runways (even without wheels), just as the Me-262 needed forever to get in the air with 2 engines. Perhaps you should watch hardthrashers video on the Me-262. The same corruption etc problems occurred with the jet engines. Perhaps the Ar 324 designer had been promised other numbers, anyway the real achievement was to sell this "bomber" to the Nazis. It would have needed at least 4 jet engines for any meaningful payload. For photo recon the Me-262 would have been good enough. It shocks me that the myths of the Wunder weapons are so ingrained (or the belief that everything was copied from the Germans). Wish for a technical discussion about the engines. The scathing remarks might be justified perhaps?
@markrowland1366
@markrowland1366 Год назад
To counter their success the USAAF stationed a number of Shooting Stars in southern Italy, to little effect.
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