The Long-Awaited Ford CP4 Solution - S&S Ford 6.7L CP4 to DCR Conversion 

I saw one installed behind scenes! Very cool

SO AWESOME!!! Can't wait to hear more about this product, especially from you ARod!

@@BarnStangz better time in tonight. 9pm est Livestream

First thing I thought of when I started this video is PTTs opinion on this

Seen this on ARODS post! He will be doing one on my truck!

Why didn't Ford make Ford "great" again? Why does it always take the aftermarket to clean up Fords mess?

@@jimm2442 you got to remember(larger manufacturers) in many cases the accounting department dictates what the engineers can do!

Please let us know how it goes. Thank you for your business, and willingness to spread the word.

Ford is beholden to share holders not customers. Thus every cent they save on a truck adda up. That's the same reason LB7's don't have a lift pump and a fuel filter with a higher micron rating that specced for the cp3

Hi Mr. Smith, as an adjuster what are you looking for when determining the acceptance or rejection of a claim?...Is there a break down percentage of mechanical failure v poor maintenance by operator?

We don't know the exact reason why the DCR has not been seen in the US, but we do know that it was first developed to serve the Southeast Asian market. We're excited to be working with PurePower to bring this new technology into the US aftermarket.

I'll answer your real question. Yes, it's made in China.

Thank you for choosing S&S. The DPK is not needed and it will not physically fit the pump. You are good to go.

25% more than a cp4.2

@@ryanstansel2338 I hope so. That’s really impressive! Do you have a link to this info or where did you get this information?

It has 25% more displacement than a 15-19 CP4.

@@SSfueled what about 21 cp4 in f250

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not equate to a 25% power increase.

somebody will modify them eventually hopefully

The DCR has 25% more displacement than a CP4. It will match the CP4 within the stock calibration and has more output in reserve.

The complete Disaster Prevention Kit is not compatible with the DCR, yet it is not needed. The DCR will not create fine metal debris if it does fail. The return filter assembly portion of the DPK can be retained and it will not hurt anything.

We hate to hear that your truck is down. We are shooting for a June release, but we want to be sure the DCR kit flawless when we do start shipping them. Here's a link to our latest video that explains the timeline. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9MQVg1AGVs.html

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not equate to a 25% power increase. The DCR fits in the same space as a CP4, so there should not be any compatibility issues with other parts.

Great question. Due to how the DCR is designed, it will not generate fine metal debris if it does fail. It does not have a tool steel roller and cam like the CP4. That is what creates the fine debris that takes out the rest of the fuel system. Failures happen with everything, so it would be irresponsible for us to say that the DCR will never fail. So far, it has held up well and there have been two cases of trucks getting water in their fuel and the DCR survived it. We can't guarantee that every DCR will handle fuel contamination, but it's a possibility. We offer a two-year unlimited-mile warranty on the DCR, and if for some freak reason it fails and sends debris through the injectors, we'll make it right.

No issues at all. The DCR is biofuel compatible.

Thank you for choosing S&S to protect your fuel system. We don't blame you for wanting extra filtration, even on the return side. The good news is that you will not need it. The DCR eccentric drive is unlikely to make metal, even if it does fail. Unlike the CP4, the DCR case and plungers are fed independently, which is the same as running a disaster prevention kit. Due to differences in the pump, the bypass portion of our DPK will not physically fit the DCR. The return filter assembly portion of the kit does not connect to the pump, so it is possible to retain that part with a DCR install. We're confident that the return filter is not needed with a DCR, but it will not hurt anything to keep it on if you want.

Awesome news to here as i like knowing im getting the most filtration i can. I have 220k miles on my oem cp4. I have pre ordered the dcr pump also. Between s&s , h&s diesel and a few others i have zero oem filters because i dont plan on buying another truck for a good few years. I was a cummins guy to the core but the 6.7ps just does more for me performance and towing wise . Thank you for making some awesome products

The DCR does not need a disaster prevention kit.

Listen to the video they upload after this. It's a larger displacement pump. Read between the lines and it will answer your question.

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not equate to a 25% power increase.

Why would you wait for it to fail??

@@wyo_garage20my thoughts too

Don’t wait for a failure

I’ve got an extended warranty with the dealership local to me. They will pay for upgrade with labor included. I mean I’ve got 60k I can rack up. If it goes out in that time frame why not take advantage of it? Once warranty is up I’ll do it myself…along with other things they don’t want me to do.

@@sav300 cool beans

Thank you for your business. Extra lubricity it never a bad thing, but it is not needed with a DCR. Clean diesel is good enough for the pressure-lubricated bushings. While we do not recommend it, we have had at least one DCR inject water and rust... and it is still in the truck and racking up miles. See here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HHC4hM-w-Hk.html

@@SSfueled thank you very much I look forward to getting my truck back from the mechanic shop with my new DCR!

How much is the shop charging to install the pump?

@@jgofast9249 Around 2k in labor to install the pump

LOL, and the bad part about that is that the DPK does absolutely nothing, it has never been proven nor is it guaranteed to prevent anything, and if your pump does fail with this installed they will not even cover the costs of the repair that you will need. Oh, yea, and in some cases, they leak, cause low fuel pressure, and other problems. I do truly hope that these fuel pumps work better and have guarantees that really mean something. I will wait and see myself.

@@uwbob6284 what are you talking about buddy??? The S&S disaster prevention kit has been proven multiple times including on this channel...... Hell even the Gen 1 kit has been proven If you've been watching Facebook at all. S&S even supplied the guy a new 2.1 system.. The fuel pressure problems happen on a certain competitors product..... 🫢🫢🫢🫢

@@uwbob6284 WOW, Mr. Negativity!!

@@CPsGarage LOL, yea, I get all my news from Fakebook. Did they pay for the damage that was done when the pump failed? How much damage was done to the truck when the pump failed? But I do understand selling this kind of thing does make folks a lot of cash, so what the heck as long as the sellers can get suckers to buy it might as well push it as hard as one can.

@@zekester1 Naw, just stating facts. . .

Since the 6.7F DCR Conversion is designed to be a durability improvement, we have yet to test the max output vs competition pumps. The displacement of the DCR is 25% more than a stock 15-19 CP4.

No. The DCR is designed to run on diesel, so that is what we are validating for. It could be more resistant to contaminants, but we want to make sure it's 100% under normal conditions first. Even though the OEs don't validate for contaminated fuel, maybe that would be something worth testing as an added benefit. Thanks for the idea.

@@SSfueled Thanks for the honest reply! As I understand it, most CP4 pumps don’t fail when using uncontaminated fuel with good lubricity, so when doing a redesign it’s not enough to show that a sample of the new pumps also don’t fail when using good fuel. To truly demonstrate an improvement you need to show that a contamination level that will cause, let’s say, 50% of a sample of CP4 pumps to fail in 48 hours, will not cause any of the redesigned pumps to fail when testing more of them for longer periods of time. It should only take a couple of months on a test bench to do such testing, and being able to say that you did it would be a great marketing point. That being said, the design changes you've described do sound very promising.

Congratulations on the new truck! We are currently testing the DCR for 2023+ models. Ford went with a larger displacement CP4 for the 2023 model year and we need to make sure the DCR will match the output. We do not have an exact ETA for 2023+ support, but we'll be sure to spread the word on social media and via email when we do. You can sign up for email updates at the bottom www.SSdiesel.com. Thanks for asking!

Got in touch with A Rod and on my way to pick her up. Both relieved and excited to get this bulletproofing measure done!!!

The DCR pump curve matches the CP4. It is not needed to reset the learning. Thank you for your business!

@@SSfueled Thank you also. Truck running great! Driving with a highly improved peace of mind.

We would love to claim that it doesn't, but that decision is entirely up to Ford. If anything, Ford should be recommending the DCR since it will reduce their warranty risk.

This would void your factory warranty for sure

@Len Daniels did Ford give you a reason for the CP4 failure?...Also what was their rationale for leaving off DPK?

@@zekester1 no, just that there was metal shavings in the filters. Plus pump would only reach 960 psi. Instead is the 5k psi needed to start. If I put the dpk on It would void the new pump warranty. When I installed the dpk it started. Ran it a few mins to check for any leaks, shut off to clean everything up, moved out of shop to change oil, started to warm up and checked oil level. Then it never would start after that.

@@lendaniels7348 it sound to me the pump was having issues before putting on the DPK...if your fuel tank wasn't super low and you ran the truck for just a few minutes...it seems to me that little time would not have put metal shavings in both filters...did they replace your whole fuel system?

@@zekester1 yes they replaced whole fuel system. I told them to give back the line I modified to install kit. Never had any trouble with truck ever starting and I've been in -2 weather. Truck had 115k mile one it. Know of one other guy that his truck died while running at hwy speed and then truck would never restart. His truck had 75k miles on it, but Ford covered it under warranty. Ford was going to cover 90% till they saw a installed the dpk and denied any help.

@@lendaniels7348 man, sorry for all the trouble...I've had my DPK on for about a year & 4 months no problems...I think they took advantage of you in this case....the dealer I go to is the one that put on my DPK & many others in the area

Our name is the guarantee. We offer a two-year unlimited-mile warranty on all products. The DCR conversion is not available yet because we are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the 6.7F DCR to the market. Being a company owned by former Bosch and Cummins engineers, we are particularly cautious when bringing a new product to market. We want it to be flawless before we put our name on it.

The 6.7F DCR Conversion is plug and play for the stock calibration. We have not tested it with any other calibration, but the ECU will control it the same as a CP4.

It does actually perform a lot better than the factory pump with race tunes

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

We have one installed on our 2023 HO and we are aware of another 2024 that is running a DCR. Both trucks are running great. With that being said, we are still taking our time to thoroughly validate the DCR on our 2023 before we make an official announcement.

Because despite what your anecdotal experience on the internet may indicate, the CP4 failure rate is extremely low to the point of being a non-issue. Less than 1%. Combined with the fact that the ford trucks are usually of much higher quality overall in the chassis and body than GM and Chrysler, that's your answer.

Not me bought my first Chevrolet after 30 year's of Ford's.will never do it again.

@@kelceyk8199 your entire comment is bogus. Lies.

Don't blame the pump...blame the fuel. The enviros have forced this on us. Look at the failure rate with this pump over the pond. They have hardly any failure rate because of the lubricants they have vs the American diesel fuel.

@@kelceyk8199 If this is a non issue then why the hell did SS Fueled go to all this expense and trouble? Why is there a disaster prevention kit? Why is there a class action law suit against Ford over this? I cannot believe the level of blind loyalty to a company that could care less about its customers, it is just crazy.

The price will be $1,990. Start watching at 11:08 to learn about the differences between the CP4 and DCR.

@SSfueled If I'm demonstrating something for $2k it's better to be under direct light like outdoors and the price is close to double better be Made out of titanium 😂🤦‍♂️ what's the warranty on the pump that was poor demonstration to be honest

@@banger881 Apparently your hearing is not very good. The explanation of the difference between the CP4 vs DCR was more than adequate. And if you are NOT willing to pay an additional $800-$900 then go ahead and buy another CP4. If I remember correctly the only pump on the table during the video, that will send bad material to the injectors and fuel rails IS: wait for it...........The CP4....... But you go ahead and save $800 and gamble with another CP4... 😵😵😵

@Wayne I'm mechanic who the heck should u be 🤣😂 I work on my own truck do u ? Keep talking crap 2017 ford f350 160k miles never the cp4 was replaced change fuel filters every 20k miles you will hardly have any problems specially adding hotshot diesel Is fuel additive

Me too like to know that answer

DPk is not needed and will not work.

The DPK is not compatible with the DCR, but it is not needed. The DCR internal plumbing feeds the case and plungers independently.

Wish they said something before bought this kits.

We're hoping to have 2020-2022 compatibility by the end of the year.

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

No need to

The DPK is not compatible with the DCR, but it is not needed. The DCR internal plumbing feeds the case and plungers independently

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

@@SSfueled relatively speaking the output should be the same then as the CP4, which should allow elevated power levels to where the CP4 holds. It’ll be interesting to see once people get these on their trucks! Thanks for the reply.

The 6.7 DCR was designed to match the CP4s pump curve and will function just like a CP4.

Yes sir.

We are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the 6.7F DCR to the market. Our target is April-June of 2023.

We are shooting for a June release. Here's a link to our latest video that answers many of the questions we have received. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9MQVg1AGVs.html

I have mine ordered.

No, totally different motor

We're shooting for June of 2023, but we do not want to rush it. There are a lot of moving targets, including desired mileage on the fleet of validation vehicles. You can go to www.SSdiesel.com/DCR to sign up for our email notification list.

We are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the Ford 6.7 DCR Conversion to the market. Our target is April-June of 2023.

Looks like their website is down. I just tried too.

Full send diesel is doing pre-orders

@@CPsGarage how much?

@@cauywarner7136 it shows 1990.00

Pre-ordered mine with Tim @ Accurate Diesel

@@carterlawson5784 Yes it is. They are just taking orders for 11 to 19 first. There is a second video of them explaining this.

@@carterlawson5784 If you simply watch the video they posted after this one you would hear what I said in my last reply...

@@carterlawson5784 it's definitely coming.

You're welcome. We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

@@SSfueled Peace of mind is more important than hp numbers. Thank you for the reply.

The S&S Gen2.1 Disaster Prevention Kit can be purchased online from various stocking dealers and they are also available on Amazon. Make sure you are choosing the real S&S version, as there are several knock-offs in the market.

The DPK is not compatible with the DCR, but it is not needed. The DCR internal plumbing feeds the case and plungers independently.

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

Noted, So then in a competition/racing application. It's about an equivalent to a 10 mm stroker cp4 pump.

Did you watch the video?? Luke gave a good explanation of the differences!!...GO BACK & LISTEN!!

@@zekester1 yes I watched the video. I didn't understand the difference in the mechanical, and metallurgical.

@@williamlake4841 For more info go to SSfueled RU-vid channel Luke has a very detailed vid on CP4.2... Stanadyne has more stuff on the DCR

Thank you. I see the difference now.

@@williamlake4841 Got one more video for you(may be the best) you tube channel GREG_ALBERALLA title New Ford 6.7 Power stroke solution!!....it's 17+ minutes but from time point 8:32 to 13:32 they really show the operational differences of CP3, CP4, & DCR pumps...watch Greg (@the 11 minute mark)try to turn the CP4 by hand it has a lot of resistance v the other two pumps

It will come with the standard S&S warranty: two-years, unlimited-miles. See full warranty policy here: www.ssdiesel.com/faq/

$1,990

$1,990

Our name is the guarantee. We offer a two-year unlimited-mile warranty on all products, pending an inspection. We're confident that the DCR will not cause additional damage if it fails, but we'll make it right if does. If it fails due to contaminants, that's a different story. The DCR conversion is not available yet because we are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the 6.7F DCR to the market. Being a company owned by former Bosch and Cummins engineers, we are particularly cautious when bringing a new product to market. We want it to be flawless before we put our name on it.

I just put your kit on a 2015 f250 it's really great quality and the instructions are top notch and very precise .

No. Here's a links to a few install videos: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KoRZTgGOdBw.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ofHRE_D408Q.html

Another question. Can the public buy these yet? Have yall started shipping?

$1,990

@@SSfueled Gotdam! That's about 3x too much. Who is going to replace a pump that's not failed? You would sell the heck out of them at maybe 1.5x-2x the price of the DPK. I understand a whole system is 10k. Nevermind, I had no idea a standard replacement was $500-$1000.

@@SeaPro360 Not sure where you are replacing a CP4 for $500-$1000. Many people depend on these trucks for their livelihood, an unexpected CP4 failure can be extremely inconvenient and costly in lost revenue. a $2000 investment up front is a no brainer to many if it eliminates the failure point. Its only a few hundred more then a replacement CP4, and that assumes you had a DPK when the CP4 failed...

@@legohead6 Yeah, you're right. I just can't get an answer to this question: How many current CP4s fail without gasoline/water/def contamination?

​@@SeaPro360 probably very few, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a direct fault of the owner/operator(pumped from a low volume station that had contaminated fuel in its tanks, etc) Plus accidents happen, we all have our momentary lapses and do stupid things. I would be curious to know how robust a DCR would be in the case of DEF. And if the DCR can handle it could the injectors?

The DCRs are brand new pumps that do not require a core charge from S&S. It seems that there is a bit of confusion we need to clear up with Injectors Direct. They are a great stocking dealer and we do not want to discourage purchasing from them. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, we'll get it sorted out.

@SSfueled thanks for the reply. I emailed them asking why they are changing a core charge, and it's was because they wanted to rebuild the cp4. I assume to convert it to a cpx. The core is 200. I guess a discount code that got 100 off the core, but it just seems ridiculous to charge a core for what needs to be phased out. I would have liked to have bought from s&s directly, but I was told I had to go through a dealer. Yall emailed me 3 dealers that were out of stock, and even their prices fluctuated by 100-200. I'll gladly send my invoice to you. The next disappointment was I had originally orded from xdp that showed it as backordered after checkout. The date it was expected was 7/17, and then it'd get moved a few more days once it was within 7 days of the 17th. I will say injectors direct got it to me fast. Thanks

@@hairtrigger903 Thanks for sharing your feedback. Typically, all injectors and pumps we sell are sold on an exchange basis (with a core return required) even if a core return is not required by the manufacturer. Some manufacturers require cores to be returned on new parts, while others do not. We find it is easier and simpler to require a core on everything. Most customers have no use for their old CP4 pump (in many cases they are eager to be rid of it), and have no problem sending it in as a core. We do not require you to pay a core deposit up front in order to purchase a DCR conversion kit. We have the option available to place a temporary hold on a credit card until the core is returned to avoid paying any core deposit up front. To be clear - in the case of the @ssfueled DCR pump, S&S does not require a core return. That requirement comes from us, and we do what we can to work with our customers and make it easy for them. As you experienced, we have the the DCR kits in stock, ready to ship the same day, and are offering them for the best price available at $1990.00. If a customer has an extenuating circumstance that would require them to keep their old CP4 pump, we invite them to reach out to us and discuss what options we have available. We would be happy to work with anyone to help them get the parts they need to get their truck back on the road. Hope this clears up any confusion. If you have any additional questions, feel free to reach out to Daniel at 1-800-500-0980 or send an email to customerservice@injectorsdirect.com. Thanks!

@InjectorsDirectCom so I as I stated before, shop elsewhere for your future diesel needs

@SSfueled good luck clearing it up. "Most people are reluctant to send us a cp4" my cp4 is still working its worth more than the core, if something goes south on the dcr.

We're trying. There are long-standing relationships and agreements at play. We would much rather sell to the auto manufacturer and do it right the first time around. Until that happens, we have a better option for Super Duty owners. We feel your pain. Spending that much money on a truck, you want it to be rock-solid from the factory.

He was explaining why this conversion took so long on the 6.7L. If your attention span is so low that you can't watch an 18 minute video on one of the most important upgrades being released for the 6.7L then you might want to relax your screen time.

Thanks for adding insult to my injury trying to relax my screen time! The redundancy of your reasoning completely illustrates the inability of some people not to ramble on like morons. Have a great day!

Thank you for the honest feedback. We'll try to do better next time.

Apologies if you perceived our decision to not disclose a new untested prototype, a year prior to release, as being dishonest. Our intention was to protect our reputation (in case it didn't work as planned) and to not show our hand to the competition. We are taking our time to thoroughly validate because we are an honest company that does not want to sell untested parts.

@@SSfueled doesn't sway my decision, I'll still buy one, what kind of warranty if any comes with the pump

@@betterthanideserve76 - Act like an asshole much? 🤣

Just ignore the original poster. Has no idea what he’s talking about. It takes time, money, and experience to develop stuff like this. This pump has been in use in the rest of the world and they’re making sure it 100% does what it’s supposed to before they put their name on it and sell it. I don’t blame them one bit.

@@betterthanideserve76 So you write this troll comment (clearly with no knowledge of operating a successful business) and then say you will still be buying one? lmao at least be consistent