The Lore of Miitopia's Dark Lord 

For a nintendo game featuring miis, the Dark(insert any of the names here) has a pretty Dark story.

Miitopia’s decision to try and make the Dark Lord’s host redeemable makes me think the devs wanted to teach people not to so intensely hate whoever they originally picked for the role. As in, imagine somebody that absolutely hated the guts of somebody else and they made them the Dark Lord, and now the game’s telling them that they weren’t evil after all. I wonder if there are stories of this happening anywhere.

While I do prefer the ending where you spare the dark curse, I do find it interesting that the game doesn't really fault you for choosing to destroy it. The Great Sage stands by your choice, and the curse itself thanks you for putting an end to its hatred and suffering. I kind of want to see more games like this, where the ending is entirely up to the player's moral decision, and neither choice is necessarily wrong.

I always had the headcanon that you restore the dark curse's original face, and that the great sage telling you that you need to "give him a face" was just the game being meta and telling you it's time to customize one last mii. It is kinda confusing though but that's how I interpreted it :)

You know the dark lord is an honest great example on how well Miitopia does it’s casting. Now imagine you are an kid that plays Miitopia for the first time. You meet the person who is presented as this ultimate evil who do you think you would cast as him? Some kids might have their dark lord someone they actually fear. Then comes the “end” of the game where the dark lord is defeated but then the dark lord turns out not to be evil. Then later the ex-dark lord even helps you in the sky-scraper and you learn stuff about him. And when he is so nice and all you’re choose that was suppose to be someone fearful turns into someone nice and kind. Ofc miitopia is more popular for it’s possible amount of miis it can create but I just wanted to point out that Miitopia also might been some people adventure with themselves against this Dark lord that might have an connection to an person in their real life. I love the casting of Miitopia and I just wanted to share how great I think it is. Short version: The dark lord is great because he might been someone you feared in real life then he turns into an friend in the game.

i made my dark lord "imposter" and i made the great sage "crewmate"

"Spoilers for Miitopia" Chuckles in beating it on 3ds

Fun fact: If you make a completely new Mii for the Dark Curse in the 3DS version the game won’t even let you name him, forcing the Mii to be annonymous. Edit: Woah! This many likes and not one comment? Strange.

I always love the fact that the “dark lord” was a banana factory worker. I just found it hilarious

“The monsters that the Dark Lord creates are weak and without power” *shows Waddle Dee* I’m very offended at something so true.

I always imagined the Dark Curse as a default mii, (the one when you select male and don't change anything) because he's described as having a very plain face, What's a plain face? The Default Mii Face, So i chose that. Hell, My imagining of the mii is actually supported in the Switch port as there's a "unused" (it is technically used if you delete the mii playing the dark curse) Mii that's just the default mii.

What I did with the Dark Curse was give him the Default Mii's face! I just thought that would've been accurate to the description of how average he looked

I really hope that Miitopia becomes so successful, that eventually, Nintendo does a remastering of Tomodachi Life.

I believe you create the spirit’s face mainly because his body faded from existence. Which is why you must use your powers to create a vessel. Still a great video! Love the Miitopia Content!

My headcanon is that whatever face you give the Reborn was his original face. I don’t think that’s too farfetched either, considering we do pretty much the same thing for the whole game, and pretend they’ve always been this way. No matter how interesting a face you give it, it’s always possible to shift the blame for loneliness on physical appearance. It’s... a flaw that we humans have that makes the Reborn connect so much with us. Of course, you could still give the Reborn a generic Mii face. 😂

The Dark Lord's story genuinely makes me tear up, I may be stupid, but c'mon, it's really sad, poor lil guy

With the game's ending, it ended up making me think that Nintendo was trying to give us some sort of moral with the whole idea of your own face. It made me think it said something like "Never hate yourself for what you look like." As for me, I don't like my own face at all. But even if I dislike myself for not just my face, but also my voice or many other reasons, it's never enough for me to fall into an abyss of despair and death. I still would rather live life even if I can't change the way I look or sound.

Great video! Miitopia lore is interesting, especially the things that aren’t explained in game. -How do most of the inhabitants of Miitopia live medieval like lives, but then there’s also movie theaters, and later, highly advanced technology? -How do inns and outings work? With outings they can seemingly just walk there from anywhere in the world in less than a day. -How did the guardian spirit / god end up in an amulet, and why does a random person have said amulet? Well, it is a family heirloom, which would work if this was a guardian spirit tasked with protecting this specific family, but they also help you. They also seem to actually be a god that was only changed to “guardian spirit” in the American version of the game.

If miitopia was a horror movie it was terrifying just someone stealing faces

When I made the Dark Curse’s mii, I decided that the reason why it casted away its own face was because it was the basic bland default mii face you get as a starter when you start from scratch. So to give him his own identity, I gave him purple eyes to define himself from the others.

What if the reason you need to give the dark curse a face is because his has been missing for so long that it's lost?

I actually interpret creating the "new" dace for the Dark Curse as not making a new one, but shaping what he looked like prior to casting his face away, just like filling any other Mii role. The Carefree Guide in Greenhorne didn't "gain" a new face, you're setting what he always looked like.

I made the dark curse the default mii face, because it's the one EVERYONE ignores. See what I did there? ;)

God I hope Miitopia 2 eventually becomes a thing...

When you save the dark curse, it says they are reborn, hinting they might have been reborn, with a new face. They maybe are suprised they got a new face, instead of their old one, hence why they say "my face...!"

The real question in the lore is when you give two Mii's an outing ticket, how the heck do they go to a park when they're in Karkaton

I would check this video out, but I still want to play Miitopia spoiler free. I’ll come back here when I’m done the game. Edit: I finally finished the game, so I should be good to go watching this video.

my headcanon is that the dark curse was originally the default Mii.

My head canon (even though it more than likely isn’t true) is that you do give the dark curse back his original face. I would have preferred though if when all the faces returned down to Miitopia that one lingered and then you realised that was the original dark curse’s face. Edit: Turns out I’m not the only one who thought that lol

"the lore of miitopia's dark lord" me who's been hyperfixated on miitopia since June 2020: *hmm yes interesting* also, i actually have an AU where the Ex-Dark Lord and the Great Sage were really close friends as kids, and then he got pissed at her when they were teens and he broke off their friendship so they didn't see each other until years later when he was the dark lord. i honestly get emotional over my own AU sometimes lmaoo, bc she recognized the dark lord as her friend but knew she had to fight him (which i intended to be a parallel to the end of the game when the protagonist has to fight their friend too) anyway im done infodumping lmaooo

Miitopia sounds more epic than most RPGs.

This game completely subverting players' expectations is one of the many reasons why I love it so much! It was nice to hear all at once about the Dark Lord's lore, thank you!

I find there’s more than one way one could interpret the idea of giving the Dark Curse a Face. Considering, the Great Sage never actually said it being a New Face and the reborn Mii reaction seem to suggest it recognizes its original face. There still leaves a lot to interpret for what really happen. When I picked a face for the Reborn Mii, I went with Mii Brawler from Smash. Funny enough his face kinda resembles the story that the Great Sage talks about when it was looking at the Mirror. It felt oddly fitting looking back.

Each major role teaches you (the player) something, with the dark curse being given a new face teaching you that, if you are completely unhappy with yourself, then its okay to change to be someone you can be happy as. in a way, subtle trans affirmation. alternative way of reading: The dark lord, meant to be casted as someone you fear or hate, is meant to teach you that perhaps your fear or hatred is misplaced The great sage is there pretty much specifically to teach you to seek the brighter side in people. The dark curse is to teach you that its better to change to be happy, than to suffer to stay the same.

if they wanted to fix the idea of making the new face to give to the dark curse, they could have made it so that you made it as a ??? face at the start of the game and you find out the face is for the dark curse at the end of the game if you pick the ending to do so.

Its funny, in the switch version of Miitopia all the npc's now have default faces and names for those who don't want/have time to change everyone. The dark lord is Stan, the great sage is Sophie, ect. However whats pretty interesting is the fact for the "curse" Mii's identity, the default if you chose not to make one, is actually the default mii youre treated with as a base for making a brand new mii from scratch in the Mii Maker apps. The short brown hair, blank stare, black eyes, and emotionless face with the "favorite" red shirt. That mii is actually given a back story because of this game and honestly he's the perfect Mii for the role. The idea his face is so "bland and normal" that he's ignored in-universe mirroring how in our world his face is used as a "blank canvas" to make entirely new faces from is actually pretty sad. 10:25 AAHHHH THATS MY MII FROM MY PLAYTHROUGH ON THE 3DS VERSION! I uploaded that to the Miitopoa Wiki! I feel special!

6:57 how did he fade from existence, is it another way of saying "he committed suicide and stopped breathing"

So let me get this straight the Curse technically tore his own face off and it’s probably a mangled mess on the ground somewhere and grew so mad he became a vengeful monstrosity. Rated E for Every child’s nightmare

man it feels good to see people caring about miitopia

this video was great also ive had this thought for a while, what would happen if the curse possessed the protagonist? its not unheard of for rpgs to well, make their protagonists unavailable at a certain point but, i think its just an interesting what if thought, especially since you have to rescue your other party members faces plus i love the fact the great sage is possessed, like from a narrative perspective its great, like, i was enjoying the game before, but the dark lord fight and that twist made me adore this game back on the 3ds

Even though every role is customizable, I have a feeling that the dark curse should be Guest C by default idk it somehow makes sense to me.

Miitopia: The Dark Lord has a sad backstory, and is a redeemable person. Me: Haha I made the Dark Lord the Annoying Orange

I think the reason they gave him a new face is because he cast it off before. No one knows what it looks like, and it no longer exists. It probably faded away with his body.

personally when it comes to assigning the curse a face in the 2nd ending i like to believe that what they end up with after the hero gives them one is actually just their original face (maybe with some minimal influence from the dark curse's design) and you assigning one to them was no different from when it was other characters having faces assigned to them personally i gave them a slightly modified version of the default mii with cyan hair and eyes that closer resemble the eye of the curse

I remember first time I played this game I accidentally destroyed the dark curse. I thought "breaking the curse" sounded like turning the dark curse back into their former self. I didn't even know about the other ending til later.

also its probably not properly cannon but the Great Sage technically breaks the fourth wall because they say to your character something along the lines of: 'though i suppose he will need a face. though i trust this will prove no problem to you?' to which your character responds 'none at all!' idk i just think about that a lot lmao. though, i suppose the Great Sage could say that bc protag has seen so many faces; at least over 2000 if you fully complete every level (i think?). therefore protag does have a lot of experience with faces, just not with making them. also, i have a kinda headcannon that the reason that there's a lot of monsters with only parts of faces and the existence of Otherworld is because originally the Dark Curse was going to try and make themselves the greatest face so that no one would ever ignore them again. i mean it might also be because thats all they could do at first when they were less powerful, or a combination of both. i'm also thinking about the mental health implications of the Dark Curse's backstory. like, casting your face away... i may just be mentally ill, but that reminds me of something. also the fact that no one seems to pay attention to them; does this imply that they were neglected by their parents?? sorry for just kinda writing loads lol, im massively interested in Miitopia, specifically lore, and i don't get to talk about it much.

Here’s something else very interesting I found out you should consider an topic. The dark suns Japanese name is The Sun of Another World. Which implies that the dark lord might not have created it. Or he stole another worlds sun.

Honestly I think the true person that casted away his face to become the curse is most likely the default mii I mean think about it when have you EVER acknowledged this mii you've probably never once thought of using him in your party Never thought about using him to play boxing Never thought to give him his own apartment or friends You never thought of him at all For 14 years hes been neglected by everyone so abvously he casted away his face cause that was the main reason people never wanted too use him

1:57 Omg I think I actually hade that exact great sage in my adventure. as the one in the video what’s the odds.

I've always liked Miitopia content. and I still do even if it isn't as obscure now. This was all stuff I already knew, but I couldn't help but watch anyway.

great video, loved it! when i saved the dark curse, i though about making the default male mii his body, since i though it fitted and name him adriano though i ended up picking another mii, but thinking now, i want to use the default male mii in the switch version. (since my headcanon for my world is that the switch version takes years after 3ds version)

with miitopia, you can give almost any of your characters lore. my serious soldier, known as old knight, is thousands of years old. he did the same thing that link did in breath of the wild, only a few hundred years longer, and can't even remember his own name. the only remnants of his past are his ancient gear and helmet, which look extremely technological for being thousands of years old. this means that the ancients in my miitopia lore are technologically advanced.

I always wonder why the dark lord doesn't just steal your face when he meets you

In the 3ds version of Miitopia, I made the Dark Lord Saki Hanajima from Fruits Basket because of her psychic powers. In the story of Fruits Basket, people are afraid of her because of her powers, so just like the manga/anime, Hanajima turns out to be a nice person! I also wish that the face you gave the Dark Curse was the face they used to have. I also always wished that the npcs would have the same gender as the mii you casted them as (a male fab fairy for example).

I think you might have read a bit too much into the part where we cast the Dark Curse... I never really interpreted this as us giving him a whole new face, but rather them regaining their original face. When the Great Sage said, "Now you must give him a face" I took that as "Now just do what you've been doing this entire game and slap a Mii into this role". XD

I also have a headcanon that this was a play made up and put on by the miis. If you watch the credits it shows the miis on a stage-esc setting. It also lists whom played which *_roles._*

I created a specific Mii with only a nose, just to give them the back story of 'they had no face so they decided to take others faces in spite and anger they they we're the only one without a face'. I'm glad I've now gotten the actual back story for the Dark Lord.

The ending of the video was so sweet and heartwarming, I almost cried a bit. ;w; For a charming game as Miitopia, it sure has a beautiful message at its core. Another thing to note is that the Dark Curse must have really liked being the Dark Lord if he made the monsters that look like him in the post game. (Dark King, and The Replica Dark Lord ms respectively) I really enjoyed the video and I hope to see more Miitopia content from you! You did an awesome job! Maybe you can do one on the lore/tips/advice for the towers! :)

I really hope Miitopia either gets DLC or a full on sequel. It’s such a fun game with the potential to take the Miis in an amazing new direction.

This game means everything to me tbh. It really does deserve a vid about its lore.

My headcanon for why you have to make a new face for the dark curse, is that his original face is pretty much lost to time. We have no idea what happened to his face when he cast it off and no one pretty much knows what he looked like since, well his backstory could've happened forever ago and his existence was slowly forgotten!

I noticed that the hero clothes and sometimes weapons all have a sun symbol on them, pretty much identical to the Darkest Lord's last transformation. I wonder if the darkest lord was a problem before and those clothes and symbol were made in his image

You can actually re-do the fight to unlock the Tower of Dread!

I suppose whoever the dark curse possesses, he gains clothes similar to the person he posessed. Because the ex-dark lord was wearing a with those big bumps. And his clothing is kind of ripped at the bottom. Same as the dark lord. As well as the great sage. Idk about the hair tho lol

It's my head cannon that the dark curse is the default Mii. Why? Because every time you create a Mii, you change the default Mii into something else, making their face into something that you want, not what they had.

This video was greatly done. Loved this.

This is off topic but the dark lord has some amazing nails

For break the Curse yes it's not as great as the save the Curse one but the Curse still thanks you non the less so Save ending still the best one ( for Switch Dark Curse doesn't have a Default Role But I Assume if it did It Be Default Male Mii Design with no Changes and His Origin Name Would be Mii sense Dark Lord/Merchant name is Stan and Great Sage is Sophie having Dark Curse/Reborn Mii Fits as the Best Canon Name for Miitopia If you Try To Treat it as a Fully Original Story besides you and your Party Members)

This is really good editing, you deserve more subscribers!

9:37 from the looks of the Mii’s body, I think the dark curse’s face would actually be *drum roll* Guest C!

Kinda surprised that you didn’t mention the dark king as he seems to be the most complete replica of the dark lord made by the darker lord. Maybe to complete for the darker lord to handle to. Surprised you didn’t mention any of the dark lord replications.

The dark lord is not just a mii you created to be the Dark Lord, actually, In the Miitopia wiki, in the "The Dark Lord" article, it says that it was originally a HP Banana fabricer, however he/she opened a box with the Dark Curse, possessing the mii.

Here's some spoilers I made Flowey the Dark Lord because I thinks it appropriate for him to be the main villain(Since he's the closest thing to the villain of Undertale.) Its still surprisingly appropriate as he have a Evil side and a Good side(Will changes his mii when he become good.) I have no plans of using Woodles from Mickey Mouse Clubhouse anywhere due to his lack of Personality/Face but that means its a perfect role for him since he never gain a face during the show, making him a Foil to Toodles from the same show(The Hero) who spends the first 2 seasons without one.

Thankyou for this. I accidentally used the turbo button when you were being told about the first host of the Dark Curse, so I accidentally skipped over that story bit of him and his HP Banana factory. The turbo button, B in this game, is both a blessing and a curse, kinda like me with my knowledge and wisdom of videogame stuff. I get forced into helping others in my family, cause apparently, nobody else in the house knows how to work any electronics problems at all. Anyways, enough of my rambling of my life, I will go back to the previous topic, Miitopia. I gave the Dark Curse Miiverse's icon as a face, partially cause I miss Miiverse so much...

I love this detailed explanation of the dark curse and all of it's host. I hope you still have the intention of doing more miitopia related content.

Dark lord: dressed like it Darker lord: white robe but still somewhat dark Darkest lord: the ****ing sun

Wow this is deep lore for the Rick Roll casting his face of and making Miyamoto a dark lord and the making Waluigi a darker lord

i ended up making an original character based entirely off of the dark curse and his story when i first finished the game on the 3DS and MAN he has evolved so far, but it all started with this game and i love it for that

I wonder what would have happened if the sage couldn’t have saved the protagonist, like *we* become evil?

Regarding that ending bit, I would like to say that the Dark Curse's face is who knows how far away by now. In the same way you had to find the other faces throughout Miitopia, giving back his original face is going to require finding it, and who knows where it is at this point? It might have even been destroyed, if that's a thing that can happen in Miitopia. Just pointing it out :)

Also, I find it weird how enemies like slime jellies have only one face feature. Does that mean they're miis with only one eye or just a mouth.

RU-vid: Lore of the dark lord me who beat the game and already knows the lore: intresting

The Dark Lord and Darker Lord also has something that they have… the pendant (or necklace.) When the Dark Curse possesses someone the same pendant (or necklace) happens to be wearing it. So, I think the Dark Curse’s main piece to rescue the possessed person as the Dark Lord is the pendant (or necklace.)

damn this needs more views, this is so freaking interesting

Everyone here's talking about their heartfelt experiences with the Ex-Dark Lord in the second half of the game where meanwhile I casted MYSELF as the Dark Lord...

When you give the dark curse a face he says ‘’My face!’’ Which means whatever face you give him is their canon face in your version.

*Spoilers* What about the Dark Sun in New Lumos? They look fairly similar to the Darkest Lord, if not the exact same boss fight. Do they have any lore? You know, beyond being a secret boss in a postgame area. Edit: So I found out that there's quite a few bosses that are just "reskins" of the dark lord and darker lord, so I realize that they may not even have lore.

yes, we need more videos on miitopia's story! it may be pretty simple and surface level, but i feel like there's a lot to theorize about, especially the new lumos bosses

I've beaten the entire game several times and I was genuinely caught of guard when I saw "miitopia" and "lore" in such close proximity

God I love Miitopia so much

i think this makes it better considering my dark lord was nostalgia critic and my sage was avgn

This was very interesting to watch

it's been 3 years since i finished this game for the first time, and the fact that the game has this amount of lore is still surreal to me

2:05 flowey has no soul but has a body and a face yet he’s still evil

Matt pat can’t compete with THIS

I made my great sage Jesus, and well, the final boss was kinda traumatizing

Miitopia is a truly great game, can't wait to see what little bit of lore they add with the new Tower and interactions

Before I got into the lore of miitopia, i told my friend the dark lord isnt bad, he just wants monsters to have faces. I was right, he wasnt bad, he just felt neglected

Late to this video lol, but I had made my Dark Lord Magolor just because I thought the body structure was similar, and I actually made the Great Sage my sister. In the end it worked out, as the Ex-Dark Lord's outfit also fits Magolor, and Magolor himself is a character that gets redeemed. And my sister loves calling herself an evil overlord as a joke so it just brought the gag full circle there.

As someone who played for the ds one billion times I really want it for the switch. I believe that on the ds you can re face the dark Lord multiple times unlocking the locked content