The Loss of the Kursk 

Beautifully illustrates how the kursk basically sunk in a bathtub.

No. I don't think so

​@skankhunt9078 Not sure what lala land you're living in, but 509ft ship length is definitely larger than 354ft depth

Dutch master piece of a ship.

Thanks for the referral. The video was indeed well worth watching.

agreed.

Inept leadership. Russia in a nutshell.

If they were just inept it would be one thing, but the Kursk disaster was the result of a criminal disregard for the lives of those who served. The torpedoes were known to be unsafe but they were used anyway so that criminals and oligarchs could skim off the funds. After the disaster the remaining crew might have been saved but Putin and and his cronies let them die rather than accept help from the West. Those 118 men were murdered by their own leaders.

And the leadership of Russia is still the same all these years later...

And the Russian leadership is still the same all these years later...

Courage . I pray for peace .

No apologies necessary. Peacetime loss of life during an exercise is difficult no matter what country. It is not a bad thing to honor the departed.

This. I recall the events as they happened but a few years later there was a docu I watched that had some home-video footage one of the sailors had taken before the voyage, which really brought out the "humanity" in what many probably didn't pay much attention to due to happening to "the others" (even in 2000 that mentality was still around, at least where I grew up). It's probably hard to get someone in 2023 to come to the story fresh with the same sympathies, and that's a shame.

@@ItsMeUrDaad Well, nobody will ever accuse you of thinking........... I'd be willing to bet money that you also think that the J6 participants were 'patriots' too, eh?

The US might have to share the stage with China, not with Russia, which ground themselves into insignificance in Ukraine. I am glad Kursk is no more. They have been always threatening my country, also with preemptive nuclear strikes and were hostile even before the war in Ukraine. I have zero sympathy for savages and don't have Stockholm syndrome.

@@ItsMeUrDaad bro a fan of murdering civilians in ukraine

Thank you kindly

Maa-moot.

Another interesting thing is that Mammoet also helped with Chernobyl's New Safe Confinement, they pushed it into position over the reactor with huge hydraulic cylinders sliding it along on plastic skids I believe.

@@SubBrief Google translated "Maa-Moot" as "Country Mode"

NL: Mammoet = Engl. Mammoth (= German: Mammut)

It certainly will react vigorously in the presence of certain metals, decomposing into steam and oxygen at high temperature. In the body of a torpedo, that sort of chemical reaction will cause the torpedo to explode, and that was what doomed the Kursk and all of her crew. If the Russian Navy and Western Navies talked to one another, they might have avoided the accidents caused by high test hydrogen peroxide that have befallen Western submarines. I have handled this stuff in a lab, it looks like water but put it in contact with copper and stand back.

@@taraswertelecki3786 I have heard that the torpedo ran away in the tube, is that what occurred or just a explanation due to a corrosion in the case of the weapon?

This, high-test or high concentration H2O2 is notoriously energetic and terrifying to work with. Have used milder concentrations for piranha solution in lab, you couldn’t make me handle high-test in a hundred years.

@@timf2279 Titan II Oxidizer Dinitrogen tetroxide N2O4 and fuel Aerozine 50 a 50:50 mix by weight of hydrazine N2H4 and unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) H2NN(CH3)2. Oxidizer and the fuel react violently on touching each other. High Proof Hydrogen peroxide was used in the Me 163 Rocket fighter in WW II by the Germans in a blend called T-Stoff with C-Stoff as the fuel. Look up also Damascus Titan missile explosion. That was due to a dropped wrench puncturing the missile's skin.

I used to work in the lab at a plant that made hydrogen peroxide. The stuff I worked with was 50-70% H202 and it's not something you mess around with. It's a very powerful oxidizer which in layman's terms means it likes to burn stuff. Anything that can burn needs to be kept well away from it. As an example, if you spilled some in the lab you'd have to soak the area down with water then whatever you used to clean it up with had to stay in a sink full of water. Because if you just wiped it up with a paper towel and threw it in the garage, a few minutes later you'd have a flaming trash can. It's also very reactive and if not stabilized will decompose on its own into water and oxygen (a process which releases a lot of heat and a large volume of gas). Getting 70% H2O2 on your skin is a bad experience. "High test" peroxide is 85-98% peroxide. Being in a submarine with a torpedo full of that stuff is downright insane.

Retired SAR/Safety diver/EMT here, eeexxxxactly, brother! In any realm where near death is routine. No better attention getter than a yard sale heading south before your eyes. Cheers, stay calm, stay safe.

I wrote my analysis when the loss of KURSK was reported. My boss liked it, but the “professionals” did not.. The Rubin design bureau came out with its analysis and agreed with mine. Ah well, can’t please everyone. Your analysis was spot on to mine. BZ.

Yes it was

A recurring theme of the Russian military throughout most of its history.

May they rest in peace . I think these brave brave men would be ashamed of current russian servicemen particularly the Army .

Russia has thrown away many, many brave submariners from their poor workmanship. Hurts to read/watch.

@@johnbergmann2896 Russia has thrown away many, many of their citizens period. And are still continuing to do so as we speak, while attempting to take thousands of innocent Ukrainians down with them, unfortunately.

Good film imho. I’m no expert. I’m interested in the history of Russian dissidence (especially literary). The Russian people have arguably never had any sort of representative government, ie. a government with a genuine interest in the well-being of its citizens. That said Russian dissidence rarely embraces Western values.

I agree. Not special, just another human running around this crazy world.

Its a very common problem with safety features and warning systems. When the system starts triggering when there isn't an actual problem or the problem is too minor in scope to warrant the system response, the people who use the system start ignoring it, or disabling it. I believe they call it alarm fatigue. The guy in the video even states that this disabling is basically standard operating procedure for the submariners at this time.

The cartridge is called an O2 Candle.

Thank you, SteelbeastsCavalry. I enjoyed your live streams. Especially that UFO game.

@@SubBrief It's been a long time since that one! Lol!

@@SubBrief I'm hoping to be able to become a subscriber and not mooch you off RU-vid when finances improve. 👍😎

No worries!

pretty much that would be methodical: the 40k ton submarine just KNOWS its detected and gets pinged to death by the nato subs, but reports home "we followed undetected" to keep their face and get honored as best boat in northern atlantic.

@@schuttrostig5729 Or it's a psych out; Don't let them know we know they're there. They'll then underestimate our capability if and when it counts.

@@meihem76 like American navy or any navy is going to give that pleasure to any other navy, no way, every navy thinks they are the best, and every navy show that if given half a chance. As a former Navy man my self for the Australian Navy I can tell you we thought we were the best trained and best equipped Navy out there, and being a naive 18yrs old sailor you actually buy the BS. Also Russian Subs from the 80s onwards are as good as the best NATO from the same era. Sub Briefs know these Russian subs are good at being hard to detect, even the Delta 4 was hard to detect, not to mention a Sierra or a Oscar who are deadly quite. My friend who still in the Navy as a sonar operator, said the new subs from Russia like the Yasen, and the Borie have yet to be detected, as they are deadly quite. The myth that Russian subs are noisey and less capable is a old cold myth and propaganda, Russian subs are just as quite, and can go trailer as deep and are very capable force.

@@meihem76 More like "Don't let them know we know they know we're here."

​@@paulroustan3643I don't think anything you said is true. See Moskva for proof.

Thank you. Please help me by sharing it with your friends on social media.

Yes, to my shipmates still with us.

Russians/Putin did not allow it, changed schedules, normal ransacking of equipment etc. Plus regular "no info, west is going to get us". There was scheduled exercise for russian rescuers. They conducted some training and went homes with info that there will be training alert. So it did happen, but no one told them that it became real deal. When they got there, they had to dive blind - sea bed wasnt scanned and their two( AFAIR) boats were stripped of similar equipment. AFAIR I read somewhere it took them 9 dives to simply locate the sub. Norway, USA and one other country offered help almost immediately but offers were turned down by Putler( who was enjoying his R&R in Sochi). Once norway( I think) got approval russians were doing shady shit to derail attempts - change schedule, revoke access etc etc.

yep that was HMS Sidon. It was moored in Portland Harbour not far from where my dad grew up, he was only 10 when that blast happened and can still remember the day-ish

Corruption rendered the vessels/equipment unusable that was supposed to be usable.

Plenty of time to practice later, drink vodka now and steal batteries from the rescue sub to buy more vodka.

Most of the equipment was already rusting at the time. This is right after the USSR collapsed.

No worries

For those who don’t know Splendid is nuclear powered but not ICBM carrying, it uses tomahawks as it’s aerial missile.

? what? they died 6 hours later after the oxygen chem pack they tried to replace fell into the water and exploded. it was 14 hours after the first explosion before the navy even realized they were gone.

It's so infuriating that Boston marathon bombing could have been prevented not for pathetic excuse for a leader was too proud to admit they needed help.

Right on, good to see you again.

Same reason NATO/America wouldn’t accept help from Russia, it’s bad optics to ask for help from your “adversary”.

Thank you very much!

That is the correct procedure for a hot run in the tube. Flood the tube asap, open the bow doors and fire it. The added effect is that it will dampen the fire. This of course would not have stopped the HTP chemical reaction with the component metals but it may have bought some time and ultimately save the submarine….to be continue in second post.

Er, global cooperation was offered. Russia rejected it all until it was far too late, and even then, it hindered those efforts until it ceased to matter. If Russia had allowed for international assistance and valued the lives of its sailors over needless pride, those sailors would have been rescued. The Russian government does not value the lives of its citizens, and certainly not its soldiers. Just look to the invasion of Ukraine for further proof. It SHOULD have been a case where global cooperation saw a bittersweet ending salvaged from the wreckage. That, in something of a miracle, the cataclysmic explosion in the torpedo room did not kill everyone aboard, and that there were survivors in the submarine, that were then rescued by teams of people and specialized vehicles ready for just such a disaster. And if Russia really was heading towards a more Western, liberal, and prosperous future, it would have turned out like that. But Putin was not like that, and his subordinates weren't either. They were thugs back then, and they're thugs now. The way they treat the survivors of the Moskva is no different from how they treated the victims from the Kursk.

@SaltyWaffles 28:49 Yes! I understand what you are saying my friend, but we _'The West'_ has to take some responsibility as to why Russia was unwilling to accept aid on or around the 16th August. The earliest possible date - We _'The West'_ are as much to blame as Russia in the proliferation of mistrust & scepticism in accepting the aforementioned aid from the UK & Norway. That was my underlining point 👍

I appreciate that!

I'd be interested to someone like you who heard the recording make a recreation of the recording based on recollections. Can I ask have you come across any recordings that sound similar? For instance they recreate the explosion in the documentary "Raising The Kursk" does that sound similar?

@@NightHeronProduction Even if I still had access to the recordings, there is no way I could provided them or any authoritative impression. All the material I dealt with at that time was TS/SCI. Please don't take this wrong but unfortunately I can't help you. Don't ask again.

@@HarryWHill-GA No completely understand fair enough. Hats off to you sir!

@@NightHeronProduction Thank you. Not everyone is as understanding.

The fuel system was similar to that developed by Walther for their experimental U-boats, the Type XVIII. Not aa success.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Welcome!

google Niper and Siper net

@@SubBrief i used to work in intelligence IT support, and in siper and HAL (headquarters and labs, DOE labs-LLNL, also creating PKI certs per scattered castles). so work with the navy on the 'devices.'

Thank you! 👍

But do you know the story of how the titanic was found? And the story behind the navy using the titanic to hide its effort to find the Thresher and Scorpion? That makes the whole story far more interesting

Thank you too!

That's a dangerous assumption to make, especially with weapons that are a real game-changer. Seeing that Russia has much lower levels of debt than the U.S. (and Western countries in general), they could simply take the financial hit in exchange for having a technological edge and shrug off the pain.

They also have the economy of the state of Rhode Island...

@@Lennis01 That's a severe misunderstanding of what debt represents. They cannot take the financial hit. To incur debt you need creditors and who's got confidence in Russia right now?

I appreciate it.