The Lost Art of Video Game Critique

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This video is a response to @JosephAndersonChannel and @feebleking21. It is a critique of their critiques. @Matthewmatosis is also featured heavily but he is not the focus of the video. The focus of the video is the style of critique that both Joseph Anderson and Feeble King affect, and the accusations of toxicity (both negative and positive) that they recently made in their respective Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree critiques.
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Joseph Anderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Gu8u2SxarEE.htmlsi=bEya8Ctxq9TyHtNA
Joseph Anderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3VJCDYtR9B8.html
Joseph Anderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6jdBIjCJ5QI.html
Joseph Anderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E0oWQGJ_kvc.htmlsi=OwVI-H7tqFsYo14o
Joseph Anderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nEyjdc-DIb8.htmlsi=vCN7oo9tEKIxIxem
Joseph Anderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yP1A7kvWgWI.htmlsi=h5CXe2MieooGEnbf
Joseph Anderson ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IUH2KTOV6kE.htmlsi=0Sp9Z73Hn5bLZbiD
Feeble King ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X8rBksGzKY4.htmlsi=rkpfaH_gEZgAQ5Yb
Feeble King ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zp8MCLxdTs8.htmlsi=xFtj4FyeCXr3qn29
Feeble King ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b4u4DdjGqfo.htmlsi=u7lxaO8_qs_DNMgg
Feeble King ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w0K5xa4UIz4.htmlsi=guCvg2JZbTnFXCAR
Feeble King ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hjsJIB2tsE4.htmlsi=YMDnJWdENglQZT-R
Matthewmatosis ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UScsme8didI.htmlsi=-C0NJviiPqQsn74g
Matthewmatosis ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Np5PdpsfINA.htmlsi=1UOJfeC007d9M7GH
Ratatoskr ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hqD84TKfhXg.htmlsi=7gDSugz9jVba_rWg
TheDeModcracy ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-elEJeBZwq30.htmlsi=-YJEhTKSSKssC0X4
TheDeModcracy ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fT63frvok_k.htmlsi=Hlhg_pIAA2VHWLEr
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TheTalentlessWriter ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N3dJphoGPFk.html
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Vaulty ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8x1_cUHLdo0.html
Signs of kelani ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-slZaYTbYMeU.html
K11er six ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fvhSudjmCLM.html
Reactionreboot ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vTU9HB7M65Q.html
Kai Cenat Live ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-emIzW8JNwwo.html
Shirrako ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rhDA2cP7nPE.html
Boss Fight Database ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Vtj19enwgSE.html
Sweeping Limelight Gaming ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RM1F9bxZ0zo.html
Solid_jj ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JJexfxLQc7A.html
Boss Fight Database ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ki-Nj6WRtw4.html
Sweet_mj ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ev6HlUJk714.html
Teuber ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NMZqHr3FUc4.html
Warner Bros. Pictures ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vw61gCe2oqI.html
Reason ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZF_Gksd_4Y0.html
Backslash ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Qfh_LdOZvPk.html
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Vivan ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s0ruZo63jmE.html
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IGN ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q4l_-t9tr1E.html
Chasethebro ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tc0nTYrlXZc.html
Shen Rii ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rfLfqC4i6x4.html
Basileous ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--avspZlbOWU.html
Kingboo97 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tyBDd8qEAcY.html
Mashal No Commentary ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IlXw0SO7K0Q.html
CGInferno ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h4h3CvJLVLA.html
James Ferris ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dnEzkbdTa0I.html
BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_zDZYrIUgKE.html
InStarsWeTrust ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Mzdhn-cF0rA.html
Gamespot ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T6EcJ6Sv5Ns.html
Boss Fight Database ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9qLoh37QjtQ.html
BANDAI NAMCO Europe ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6uT8wGtB3yQ.html
Brunoborne ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rqRqzwJQAiA.html
Jordien ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ghlfDbRZ12w.html
EFISHTV ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4QwPMqYoF9k.html
Sources:
www.eurogamer.net/souls-survivor
soulslore.wikidot.com/das1-variety-is-the-spice-of-death
www.eurogamer.net/tough-love-on-dark-souls-difficulty
www.wired.com/story/dark-souls-3-hidetaka-miyazaki-interview/
www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2017/01/interviews.html
medium.com/@mattrhodes97/no-dark-souls-does-not-need-an-easy-mode-2f791bcf2196
www.gamesradar.com/games/action-rpg/hidetaka-miyazaki-says-games-like-elden-ring-have-to-be-hard-if-we-really-wanted-the-whole-world-to-play-the-game-we-could-just-crank-the-difficulty-down/
www.thegamer.com/elden-ring-creator-difficulty/#:~:text=Elden%20Ring%20and%20Dark%20Souls,gives%20meaning%20to%20the%20experience.%22
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:22 You Are Not Immune
21:48 The Role of the Critic
48:49 One Must Imagine the Tarnished Happy
1:09:13 The Death of Miyazaki
1:22:30 Why Don't You Want Games to be Good?
1:44:51 The Explosion
1:57:52 I Am Not Immune
#eldenring #josephanderson #feebleking #matthewmatosis #critique #videoessay

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@GredGlintstone День назад

*Amendments* * I unfairly threw Ratatoskr under the bus. I included him here because that video embodies a review of a game that only talks about the negative aspects really succinctly. But there is a difference between his work and the other critics I talk about. Although I dislike that video because I'm more interested in his whole opinion than the 0.2%, I don't think he's guilty of the same style of critique that I'm really addressing here. I should have made a clearer distinction. Sorry. * Seems like I fell into the very common trap of calling Nietzsche a nihilist. He's a more complex guy than that and my interpretation of his work was shallow. My interpretation in the video still stands as an analogy to the game and it's still important to show Feeble's misquotation and lack of sources. Even if my interpretation was flawed, I argue that it's still stronger and better researched than Feeble's one. But please do dig into Nietzsche's work yourself because I don't represent his ideas super well here. Sorry, Nietzsche. *Death of the Author - A commenter correctly pointed out that Death of the Author is not concerned with the theory that the author has intended you to do whatever you want. The core of the idea is that the intention of the author is irrelevant. It's not their intention anymore. It doesn't matter what they intend. I've sort of conflated both authorial intent and death of the author in the point I make. The point still stands that you can play the game however you want, even if it goes against what you may perceive as developer intent. *Please don't use this video as justification to say git gud or skill issue. As I've said a couple times, I don't like that discourse. I say it to Joe and Feeble in respect to their critiques as a bit of a snarky dig but I don't condone the kind of argument that waves away a person's opinions with an accusation that they are bad at the game. I think Joe reacted badly to those comments but I still don't condone the use of them. It's not about skill it's about mindset. But even so, it's not okay to say that it is someone's "fault" for not liking the game. People are allowed to dislike things in the same way you are allowed to like things. You don't need to convince them they're wrong. That's not what this video is about. Important to note! Obviously not all the reviews/critiques of this game are negative. Responses are overwhelmingly positive from mainstream video game journalists. I don't think this game is an underrated gem or anything. The base game won Game of the Year. It's clearly a very successful and acclaimed series of games and contrarian discussion is healthy and necessary. I'm talking here about a very specific form of critique that is very very common in the souls community in particular, and why I don't like that form of critique. You're allowed to dislike it. You're allowed to think it is a flawed masterpiece. I just want to hear more about the "masterpiece" and less about the "flawed". When I discuss opinions on the game and make claims that they are "wrong", I am addressing interpretations of developer intent that I believe don't hold up well under scrutiny. Even so, when I say something is "wrong", and I am talking about an interpretation, that is my opinion. Subjectivity is implied ;) Keep the discussion civil. I don't mean ill will to the people I talk about in this video even if I am quite harsh and snarky throughout. This is a discussion of art and ideas. It's also a genuine plea for self-reflection. This isn't a take-down. It isn't content cop. You're allowed to not like things. I'm allowed to like things. Let's be cool about it. We are currently accepting new members to join the Cult of Fromsoft. Praise be, Surrogate-All-Father Miyazaki. He who satisfies our victim complex Gred

@jqyhlmnp День назад

Elden Ring is a worse game than Barack Obama and the vegan diet

@Taylor_Lindise День назад

Just finished the intro, and saw this comment... You should watch Noah Caldwell-gervais videos on Elden Ring if you wanna hear about the masterpiece parts of the "flawed masterpiece".

@GredGlintstone День назад

@@Taylor_Lindise Will do! Thanks for the recommendation.

@likeasonntagmorgen День назад

@@GredGlintstone I was also going to mention Noah Caldwell-Gervais. There is also a part of his recent Elden Ring video in which he addresses negative comments, which you may find pertinent.

@peen2804 19 часов назад

@@GredGlintstonei second Noah’s content. It’s some really great stuff. Very personal, very balanced. You won’t be questioning how he actually feels about the thing by the end.

@MoreLoreThenThereSeems День назад

I would just like to appreciate how somebody is finally using the posh British accent video essay voice for good instead of evil for once.

@GredGlintstone День назад

Haha, it's Australian but thanks for calling me posh. I feel so fancy.

@christianlangdon3766 9 часов назад

@@MoreLoreThenThereSeems another British fellow who uses it for good is hbomber guy but he is a rare uploader. But a good one. Like the one time he made a whole channel or two built on stealing others work get thanos snapped. One of them faked their death and created a thirst account under a new name.

@MoreLoreThenThereSeems 6 часов назад

@@christianlangdon3766 oh yea I watch him! Already! So this is a good recommendation lol

@heyfell4301 41 минуту назад

@@christianlangdon3766 Hbomb doesn't sound posh, if anything because he screams so much it kinda loses the poshness. Abigail from Philosophy Tube on the other hand... wow, NOW we're talking.

@strisselstudios3932 22 часа назад

Brief comment on the Sisyphus point brought up around 1 hour in, i dont believe sisyphus would be happy because of the merit of his work, and his ability to perfect/improve pushing the boulder eternally. His happiness derives from the fact that he could stop at any time, but that would let the Gods win. He has deadlocked himself to an eternity of monotony and repetition all on his own. As long as sisyphus rolls the boulder, the gods are wrong, and that means he wins. The second he gives up, they win. Sisyphus enables his own hell, and he is content with that.

@GredGlintstone 22 часа назад

That's a really good point and well articulated. He's creating the meaning for his suffering by making it his choice.

@cosimomedicis8094 21 час назад

Hey about sisyphus, while i do agree that Camus brings up the concept of "revolt" a lot, the point Camus makes isn't that Sisyphus is happy because he could stop at any time, it's not a revolt against the gods that casted him in this hell. It's a revolt against the absurdity of existence itself. So Sisyphus doesn't become happy throught conflict and confrontation, he becomes happy through creativity ; by finding meaning where there is none and for exemple by "leaving a trace" behind the boulder he pushes, each time the trace is different. Then, he transcend his condition, he isn't bound by the punishment of the gods, he doesn't create in spite of them.

@andrewkelly1337 День назад

This DLC has exposed so much broken thinking from these RU-vid critics, Im grateful a video like this can come from it

@HeyTarnished День назад

It’s almost as if these RU-vidr “critique” channels were waiting to absolutely eviscerate & tear this DLC apart only for RU-vid engagement, it was really obvious, Feeble’s video came out less than 2 weeks after the DLC’s release, he was even inadvertently saying that playing through & finishing the DLC felt like a job, gee I wonder why lol. 😝

@lynackhilou4865 День назад

@@HeyTarnishedyeah , i think their criticisms a lot of the time are terrible especially since as someone looking to get into game design i have been reading / watching a lot of different people and it's always good to see different perspectives, but videos like those just seem snobish / nit picky / hostile / sometimes just plain wrong and then hiding behind the it's subjective guys ( or even when it's positive it's not very useful for someone wanting to learn and understand games )

@flowerthencrranger3854 День назад

@@lynackhilou4865 You and me both

@HeyTarnished День назад

@@lynackhilou4865 Yeah I get it, the gaming communities can get pretty weird & aggressive at times, it's scary to even think of designing video games or coming up with great games when games like Elden Ring & Zelda TOTK (2 of the best games of this decade) are getting torn apart by many RU-vidrs that want engagement farming, when in reality, millions of players are enjoying their games & these 2 games are always in their list of best games of all time (Elden Ring is my favorite game of all time).

@SuleX00-ov5ip 8 часов назад

@@HeyTarnished finally someone has some empathy towards devs. Unfortunately the zelda dev teams were pressured by the criticism that there latest title "echoes of wisdom" brought back a lot of classic zelda elements to please the toxic older fans. Although echoes of wisdom does a great job at blending new and old zelda some of it still feels forced and I think the toxicity of the old zelda fanbase is the blame.

@Glitchedsoulsborne День назад

I just gotta through this out there... The fromsoft fan base is not the most toxic worst fan base. It's the competitive pokemon fan base. As a man that has had an unhealthy obsession with both franchises I can say hands down that the competitive pokemon fanbase is the worst.

@KNGDDDE День назад

I can only imagine. As an outsider most Pokémon look like they're bunz.

@user-pn4px5lr8w День назад

@@Glitchedsoulsborne how bad are we talking? I've never been in Pokemon that deep. Though as a former RuneScape player, I'd wager their fanbase is so much worse than the Souls community, given there are people who would commit literal crimes if you so much as slight particular people. Not to mention ddosing, and doxxing. Soulsbros will, at worst, call you names or slurs. It does not compare at all.

@Glitchedsoulsborne День назад

@@user-pn4px5lr8w I didn't realize runescape community is like that either wow. Ya the worst the souls community does is say git gud and throw a dung pie at you haha.

@GredGlintstone День назад

From someone who once played League and Overwatch..... Souls is fine...

@user-pn4px5lr8w День назад

@@Glitchedsoulsborne ya it's absolutely rotten. It's partly why I've distanced myself from the game, though mostly the gameplay stopped appealing to me.

@777eugeneo 18 часов назад

"This video is a masterpiece, you shouldn't watch it" Joseph Anderson.

@grfrjiglstan 18 часов назад

My favorite example of Feeble King’s hubris is when he declares that he knows exactly what experience Fromsoft wanted us to have, when he doesn’t even know how Fromsoft intended you to deal with the Putrescent Knight’s grounded flame hitbox.

@UzkatexiT50 11 часов назад

One of the things that bothers me the most about the stupid arguments of that Feeble King guy is that he insists that his way of playing is the correct and only valid way and that using any tool that the game gives you is not valid

@luisesteves5929 11 часов назад

Or the moons of Rellana

@JoseViktor4099 11 часов назад

My favorite example of FK Hubris is to the end of his first critique when he said that if you defend these bosses is probably because you use summons, therefore your opinion isn´t valid.

@MaidenlessScrub 10 часов назад

@@JoseViktor4099 Meanwhile Miyazaki: I suck at video games and used everything I could get my hands on to beat Elden Ring

@ackvendor 10 часов назад

I have never seen his videos but did he actually claim that Putrascene Knight’s ground flame could not be dealt with? Because that would be wild…

@chrisdeo День назад

"You can use a Rune Arc to give even greater benefits to your equipped Great Runes." - implies that there is a benefit to equipping Great Runes, before using a Rune Arc.. and that using a Rune Arc makes that benefit even greater. I'm genuinely trying to interpret that in another way, but I can't. Remember, some people haven't played Dark Souls. If you didn't already know that's how Great Runes worked, would you really interpret the description any differently?

@GredGlintstone День назад

The argument isn't whether I interpret it differently or even if it is reasonable to assume it could be read in a different way. It is not objective if it isn't a fact. You can say that the text is really confusing. You can't say that the feature is objectively bugged. Two very different criticisms.

@sasaki999pro День назад

@@GredGlintstone My man, theres alot of hills to die on, Fromsofts conveyance of their item effects and mechanical information is not one of them, Even Miyazaki has said there is room for improvement on their end.

@albertoorsomariaiorio2823 День назад

I agree that this is indeed a misleading tooltip - especially if one has not played any souls game - and this fooled me as well. However from context the natural conclusion to me is that this is not a bug, but more likely either a mistranslation or a leftover from previous designs due to a mistake. I think this is also overall a small issue, and that getting super-mad about it like in the original video is an overreaction, bordering into the "literally unplayable" meme territory.

@jon9828 День назад

@@sasaki999pro I don't think he's dying on that hill though? I just read your thread here. You agree with one another. You both agree that poor conveyance/confusing tooltip is the problem. I agree with that too btw. I thought for a fair bit of time that equipping the rune had a base effect.

@vazazell5967 День назад

@@albertoorsomariaiorio2823 within context the mechanic of rune arcs is trash if it is indeed supposed to work like that. Time to die in this game is simply too fast for rune arcs to work

@RealVergilSparda День назад

this is kendrick lamar levels of picking apart peoples entire careers

@GredGlintstone День назад

Very flattering comparison. Appreciated.

@licota11 5 часов назад

CERTIFIED GAME CRITIC? CERTIFIED NARCISSIST.

@gilangadlisdastifa7464 5 часов назад

@@licota11Whop Whop Whop Whop Whop that'll teach 'em all Whop Whop Whop Whop Whop bad game they called Why bother pick up a phone you retard yea Try to flick a thumb but its prolly S K I L L I S S U E..............

@cosimomedicis8094 День назад

Finally someone is calling out people who have just bad takes or even worse untrue takes or even worse engagement farm takes, get bad response and flake from their public and then just justify the bad review by saying "toxic community" idk dude i think you're the one not taking responsibility for youre action joseph...

@Basidus258 9 часов назад

Same goes for Feeble King. Mf will be making a positive review within a year changing his opinion, just like he did with the base game

@Modie Час назад

Except for the fact that Joe literally made an attempt to split these two things apart. He has a whole section in his video going through arguments made by other people and saying where he agrees and disagrees. It's as if the only people that feel attacked by that are the exact people he is talking about. Guess that taking responsibility thing only goes one way.

@cosimomedicis8094 Час назад

@@Modie u should watch the video, does he take responsibility for saying wrong statements in his previous video? Does he or does he not it's not subjective this time. Joseph isn't at his first trial throwing wrong numbers at you and fake technical terms. Go back and watch Bloodborne "critique" and be amazed and the amount of fake information in it. You can make a mistake on technical analysis, but that amount of mistakes in a video "critique" watched by so many will Warp people interpretation of the game. U should watch Lupine video on Joseph Anderson all is in plain sight. So again what was that about responsibility? Do I have the right to be mad when a famous "critique" isn't even able to count the number of frames in his own essay? And then people just use this as an argument to justify how it's not their fault if they got angry at the game. Yes I am passionate about this game, and yes I will definitely get mad when a critique doesn't do his due diligence on research correctly. I'm quite ok with my part of the responsibility.

@Modie 20 минут назад

@@cosimomedicis8094 Yes he did. But you would know that if you watched the video. He has a section about it. He even apologized for swaying the discussion too much one way. Does that mean, he agrees with every criticism made towards his own video? No and that's okay, because I watched criticism of his criticism and they are also quite subjective a lot of times. And it's really funny that you bring up Loopine, because when I tried to discuss the points he made in the video and showed how he didn't properly adress JA's criticism or how his conclusion in some chapters just doesn't fit what he says beforehand, he called me and I quote him here "A true lobotmite." So I am not sure that's the guy you want to reference, but sure go ahead. I just find it funny that your "responsibility" is referencing - "counting frames" which he did one time during his original ER video and as far as I could tell, he wasn't really that far off, so even if he wasn't 100% correct, his point still stands as he was also using the first movement of the boss as an indication anyway - referencing another RU-vidr who is similarly subjective in a lot of his takes and when confronted with it, his form of taking responsibility is to insult the other person - referencing Bloodborne which was 8 years ago Yeah, I don't think you are taking true responsibility here.

@cosimomedicis8094 3 минуты назад

@@Modie I did watch the video but I'm sorry saying (even if he says that it's hyperbolic) "you have to watch the left nostril of a boss opening" implies only one thing: that the openings of a boss are unrealisticly hard to read. He does not come back on his points and his false statements. As he says subjectivity is implied... Also he said "under 20 frames " and it's 38 so double, how's that for "not far off" but you would have known that if you watched the first 12 mins of this video. You argue with me without actually informing yourself on what you are arguing about, mmmmh Also someone calling you names doesn't invalidate what his saying it just means he doesn't want to take the time to respond. Is it ok ? No, he could have just ignored it but it's the internet, the fact I even take the time to write a paragraph and not let an ai do it is already incredible. Also how is it that referencing a older video that contains the same fallacies as his more modern video invalidates my point

@hian День назад

On the whole subjectivity/objectivity thing, as something that's always bothered me about how people with little philosophical literacy talk about such things: Subjectivity is only implied when a statement is in regards to something that cannot be anything other than subjective. If a person says, "(I think) chocolate tastes better than strawberry ice cream(in my opinion)", even if they were to drop the linguistic markers of subjectivity, we recognize the subjectivity because it isn't clear in what sense a thing could taste better(a qualic feature of the subjective experience) than another in objective terms. However, most statements are not, in fact, clearly subjective. They're composite statements, consisting of part empirical observations/claims, syllogistic features(A and B, therefore C etc), and value judgements(reports of subjective experience), and as such, are prone to being wrong on levels of the empirical claims or reasoning regardless the subjective elements. If a person says, "In Norway, people have long holidays and a relaxed work culture, therefore (I think) Norwegians are more happy," that's not "just an opinion", and, if someone were to question whether Norwegians do in fact have long vacations and a relaxed work culture, or how that entails happiness, no-one gets to just dismiss that with some vacuous appeal to opinion or subjectivity. Almost every statement that comes out the mouth of critics(and indeed most people in general) are synthetic, and therefore subject to possible errors of judgement worthy of scrutiny and critique. Using appeals to opinion or subjectivity to obfuscate that or reject criticism is disingenuous and/or displays a fundamental lack of understanding of rhetoric and linguistics. To be fair though, some of this probably comes from the fact that the word "opinion" itself isn't used in a particularly narrow and clear fashion. Fundamentally, we should probably only refer to subjective value judgements as "opinions", but we do not, except when disingenuously trying to defend faulty statements from critique. The aforementioned synthetic statements are regularly referred to as "opinions". But, if we accept them as such, then opinions aren't merely subjective statements and as such, the delineation between them and empirical claims in general is meaningless. On a related note on language, and a tiny nit-pick: There's no such thing as a "wrong fact" or "incorrect fact". That's oxymoronic. Either something is a fact, or it isn't. A "wrong fact" is just a false claim or error =P

@GredGlintstone День назад

Great comment and well spoken. You've said a lot of things here that I struggled to. Very valid nit pick. I really debated what terminology to use there. The intention was to show that they are not opinions because they can be verified and are just objectively wrong, not subjective. But you said it better than I did.

@hian День назад

@@GredGlintstone No worries. I think you got the point across and I was just very enthused to see one more person in this space actually adress it, because damn it, has it become common for people to use "opinion" as a shield for their faulty logic or dubious factual claims. The nit-pick was mostly facetious 😅

@shiftgaming101 4 часа назад

The problem is that most people don't utilize the higher parts of the mind; all they know of "thinking," is simply opinions about feelings they have and nothing deeper. I call people out for hiding behind "it's just my opinion" or "it's subjective" all the time. You can't say "the way the artist used the color blue in this painting is bad," and then say "that's just my opinion". You made a statement, either delve deeper into the facts of the matter and (at least attempt to) make a definitive statement about how they used blue, or say " I think" or " I feel". Maybe the blue clashes with other colors and detracts from the rest of the image, then say that. It's not that hard.

@butterkirby1 11 часов назад

That Miyazaki misquote bombshell was absolutely mind blowing! I've hear that quote and I've never even seen his video.

@GredGlintstone 2 часа назад

Can't believe no one has checked in 10 years..

@norbertscheibenreif8336 День назад

I can't get over two claims about the game by feeble king. "Disappointing rewards in sote" - dude is ignoring tons of new weapons with some of the best movesets, talismans, Armor pieces...why ? "Elden ring is already the least replayable souls game" ...bro it's literally the most replayable...

@BlacklistedSoup День назад

I get why someone would say its the least repayable, based off of sheer size and density, but it is by far my most played souls game. You could add up my average playtime in every souls game and I'd still have 3x the amount of playtime in Elden Ring. Maybe I just like the game *that much more* but still it goes show.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I'm definitely at a point where I don't enjoy collecting all the good talismans every new run. There's just more distance to travel. But I also think there's the most variety than any other game in the series which makes it more replayable imo. But, yeah, if you don't take advantage of the variety then.....

@emiz7517 День назад

@@GredGlintstone I just use Cheat Engine, level up to 150, give myself everything I need for the build I have in mind, put the game in NG+2-4, and go straight to SotE.

@fastenedcarrot9570 22 часа назад

Replayability is an entirely personal thing in a similar way that enjoyment of a game is. You can talk about why something is replayable to use and reference cold hard facts like choice of weapon etc but ultimately it's entirely a subjective judgement.

@peen2804 21 час назад

@@fastenedcarrot9570this

@MrCompassionate01 21 час назад

Rewards for fighting the Putrescent Knight - Rememberance which can be used to make unique weapons - Runes - Access to Saint Trina and as a result continue a questline - Lore - The fight itself - Cookbook For people who call their detractors manchildren it really seems like critics expect constant affirmation and rewards, even for defeating one of the easier bosses in the DLC.

@GredGlintstone 20 часов назад

I dunno.. I just wanted to see what was in the big hole in the blue flower field. There was no point during that sequence that I thought... "What am I gunna get out of this". But that's the difference in intrinsic/extrinsic motivation. Feeble isn't "wrong" for wanting more out of that sequence, that's his subjective opinion, but he is wrong for saying the cookbook was the only reward. That's dishonest critique.

@rubanka6373 14 часов назад

Also the cool weapon it uses

@glisteninggames2981 14 часов назад

i put 70 hours into the fight already, doing challenges and defeating him over and over. thats a big reward to me! love the fight

@JoseViktor4099 13 часов назад

The best reward is the music tho. What a f*cking banger

@christianlangdon3766 9 часов назад

@@JoseViktor4099 kinda like the rhythm of dancing lion or rellana a tad better. But it's definitely a top tier of the dlc.

@SomeDudesPlay 23 часа назад

Sees 'Feeble' rocking Radahn armor and Guts Greatsword, "Oh, okay."

@migaeldewet6074 День назад

isn't the remembrance that the putrescent knight drops, the reward for killing him.

@TK_TK811 День назад

Indeed, Feeble king is either disingenuous or dense.

@entroponetics День назад

@@TK_TK811 I'm thinking both. He comes off as a dumb guy with a big ego that's been made bigger by having a moderately-sized platform.

@KNGDDDE День назад

If you like a shxt spell or useless axe then yes

@falderorham3417 День назад

@@KNGDDDE Then eat it for runes dumbass

@s_0ma_047 День назад

@migaeldewet6074 Well, it isn't if you refuse to try out a single weapon from the dlc, and it's useless to use it for runes since he claims he has already hit the soft caps for his stats(not true lol)

@FaeTheMf День назад

yall I think we found a hidden gem of a channel. This content is well beyond under 500 subs

@GredGlintstone День назад

Thanks for checking it out! I'm brand new to the youtube thing. The responses I've been getting have been so encouraging.

@FaeTheMf День назад

@@GredGlintstone For how much work this must've taken I'm glad its done so ewll. Keep up the great work, I'll be looking out for more of your videos

@DataDrain02 День назад

No no, I think you mean you found a hidden Glintstone of a channel. =V

@GredGlintstone День назад

@@FaeTheMf It's been a busy few weeks for sure. All while working full-time and studying too zzzzz

@peen2804 21 час назад

@@GredGlintstonehonestly I would never have known you were newer to RU-vid just based on this video. Incredibly well presented and you’re a great orator as well. Does your professional life/job include some crossover skills that help with RU-vid? I just ask because you come across as pretty experienced in this stuff!

@northwoodsjjd8454 День назад

Yeah also loopine has a video saying critique’s deserve criticism to keep them in check, he was saying that because he was puzzled as to why Joseph Anderson gets a pass saying shit like “fromsoft have fell on their heads” and that they don’t know how to make bosses anymore, unfortunately I can’t remember the video so I can’t link it

@GredGlintstone День назад

Yeah, I've seen it. He's right!

@northwoodsjjd8454 День назад

@@GredGlintstone also, Aussie detected🇦🇺🫡

@user-pn4px5lr8w 21 час назад

@@northwoodsjjd8454 apparently Mattosis gets a pass too, even to where he could be considered an authority when he's as fallible as the rest of us.

@laughykid123 17 часов назад

“Bad Criticism is Worse than Bad Art” is the video title :)

@rakhoo5236 14 часов назад

Lupine was so GOATED for those videos. Breaks them down and just corrects them lol.

@MexicanHippo99 14 часов назад

"Subjectivity is implied" will go down in history as the perfect video to expose internet critics who have no idea what subjective and objective mean

@gregrothschilds8453 4 часа назад

Yep. It's baffling to me how many times I see that vid or just line of argumentation attempt to be used even though those very users that involve the argument, literally contradict it all of the time.

@Modie Час назад

Funny because the guy you just watched uses the same argument.

@DionPanday Час назад

You mean like the guy who made this video?

@Nikogus День назад

finally. this video is perfect for someone like me. I hate the current state of negative game “critique” so much 😭😭 feeblekings videos on shadow of the erdtree specifically were very frustrating

@GredGlintstone День назад

So glad you dug it. Positivity doesn't have to be toxic. You can like things :)

@Stanzbey69 Час назад

I hate the fans of these critics even more, they’re the same but just more braindead and toxic

@Marco1995Mega 11 часов назад

Please, RU-vid Algorithm. PLEASE be kind to this man. Thus, I offer this comment in aid of this great cause.

@GredGlintstone 2 часа назад

Thanks, dude!

@AnInvalidEgg 23 часа назад

Whenever i think of Joseph Anderson responding to criticism, i remember how DangitJM made a fairly tame response to Joe's comments about unfair boss design of Margit, and Joe commented in the video before even watching; a bunch of arguments that werent being made, and then ended up saying "well i guess i just dont have a very good build" as a response in the comment chain to people summarizing the video as a response to the comment, as if that is somehow Fromsoftware's fault. Then i watched his Lies of P review where he praised the game for "listening to its fans" when they made a bunch of changes, then childishly said that thats how he knows it wasnt made by Fromsoftware, and i was like "oh. thats what this video is going to be about" and yeah

@GredGlintstone 23 часа назад

Omg I saw that comment and almost brought it up. That idea of "I haven't watched this yet but this is what I think it's about" is so weird. Just watch it lol. I hope this isn't how he plays games.

@AnInvalidEgg 23 часа назад

@@GredGlintstone some joe lore that i think humanizes him more in my eyes is how he has talked on his stream about how him and a bunch of other unpublished/selfpublished authors would write stories and post them to places like reddit to try and get feedback from each other. i think that thats how he's approaching his "critiques" and its very improv classroom, where you and your peers are trying to make a good joke to use at a standup setting or when writing for a sketch comedy group. There are so many differences between that and what he's doing from the fact that peer to peer critique is more personal and private and helps mainly because after you build some good rapport with your peers, they try to understand and work with you rather than just say what they dont like about your set.

@repnir7428 21 час назад

@@AnInvalidEgg 100%, "Joe" very much sees saying that sort of stuff in that way as something very casual and very unproblematic, maybe due to how he used to talk a lot on writing forums like you said, and that kind of shaping how he goes about his casual criticisms on things.

@Romapolitan 20 часов назад

I heard, so take it with a grain of salt, that he played Armored Core and absolutely refused to change his build. You know in the game where that is the whole appeal. I do like his reviews generally, but some of his opinions seem really strange, like just criticism for the sake of criticism. I remember his Bloodborne review being more criticized than his reviews are now.

@repnir7428 20 часов назад

@@Romapolitan He did, and he did lol, I fucking love armored core and that really killed me whilst I watched him play it lol. It's just not his sort of game at all really, I think he may have said that whilst playing but I can't quite remember. His perspective on it is that if it's so easy to switch and stumble into what works and what doesn't, and there are some weapons which are so much more viable than others to the extent it can trivialize the game, he'd rather just have the game give him a balanced experience in which he doesn't need to play a balancing game of a build being useable, and it being too good that the game becomes trivial, and that as that isn't the case and the customization isn't for him, that he'll just go with the first things he finds which work better than what he was using. He used dual Zimms lol.

@spicec3613 День назад

This is the most validating video I’ve ever seen

@GredGlintstone День назад

I see you, my dude. You're valid.

@ratatoskr6324 12 часов назад

I do not deserve to be in this video. I have dozens of videos and streams praising different aspects of Elden Ring. The video highlighted is the only one on my channel focused on negatives. Good video apart from that.

@Marco1995Mega 12 часов назад

I believe he explained why he added your criticism in a response to a comment, which itself defends you. It might give some extra context.

@lordcraigdragneel136 11 часов назад

I agree man you good

@terrapvp 11 часов назад

@@ratatoskr6324 do you recommend using sprit ashes to some people?

@terrapvp 11 часов назад

Do you recommend spirit ashes to some people?

@JoseViktor4099 11 часов назад

@@terrapvp Not Ratatoskr because for how many comments youtubers have, is very easy for them to not being to respond all of them. If you feel that the game is getting too frustrating, yeah, use them, not everyone have the skill, nor the time, nor the desire, or not the patience to spend a couple of hours, if not much more on the same boss. Yes, some people should use summons, and not listen the lame people who thinks they are better individuals for not using an ingame mechanic while crying on dissapointment because even Miyazaki use it.

@OniLink977 День назад

BROTHER your points about people complaining about empty spaces and not appreciating the environmental and character art is SO SPOT ON. I loved the dlc so much and I was thinking the whole time that complainers are just small brains who can't appreciate art and take things slow.

@kristienwhitney-johns5863 День назад

I play a video games to play a game. I can appreciate the created environments, but don't for one second think that that is in any way a green flag to give me open space with fuck all the do

@spicec3613 День назад

@@kristienwhitney-johns5863big baby

@entroponetics 18 часов назад

@@kristienwhitney-johns5863 what do you mean by 'fuck-all to do'? Even the areas in the game that are criticized for not having enough exploration rewards, whatever that means, still have plenty of combat encounters, which is the main appeal of these types of games. And that aside, having such a narrow definition of what constitutes a game in this day and age is just bizarre. There's an entire genre of walking simulators where the whole purpose is to just wander around the game world and discover bits of its story. If you don't like that, fine, but at least appreciate that there's a gradient between that and being bombarded with content everywhere you go. The environmental storytelling has always been a huge part of FromSoft games, and places like Cerulean Coast and the Forbidden Woods still have a lot to offer in that regard, even if they're sparse in other ways.

@studiogimli7645 13 часов назад

i actually think SOTE really improved in this area with areas like the village, the environmental storytelling is way more meaty and worth it than the base game

@Pedro-xz6wt 11 часов назад

shadow of the colossus is one of my favorites precisely because it's so empty. the contrast between the serenity of travel and the excitement of combat makes that game.

@WealthyHomeless 6 часов назад

These youtubers criticizing elden ring for reused assets but who's gonna criticize them for reusing the same "________ masterpiece" title.

@GredGlintstone Час назад

Facts.

@aguy3129 23 часа назад

This is a video actually worthy of its 2 hour length. Thats very rare

@GredGlintstone 23 часа назад

So glad you think so. I really tried to cut it down.

@aguy3129 23 часа назад

@@GredGlintstone and im the type of person to watch stuff on 3.5x speed, but i slowed down to 1x on this video

@HeyTarnished 23 часа назад

Oh. My. God! The "Why Don't You Want Games To Be Good?" part of your video was the nail on the head for me, it's like a hammer hitting the nail in the most satisfying way, oh it was too good, you literally took the words out of my brain & spit it out to your Microphone into an editing software, into a video & finally uploaded it to RU-vid. So satisfying to hear that from another person. I was screaming "EXACTLY" I even clapped a couple of times. Absolutely phenomenal, thank you so much! Also "The EXPLOSION" part was also fantastic & hit the right notes while being respectful too. I just finished the video. Before I end my comment, there's one thing that Feeble said in his 1st video about SOTE & it was this point about game difficulty: “Hard doesn’t & has never equated to good game design.” He brought the “hard” concept in a vacuum, stripped out of its influence on game design intrinsically, OK if that’s the case, let’s bring a game that he adores (Sekiro), let’s make it a much easier & forgiving game, because hey, since the “hard” part of the game isn’t what made it good, let’s make enemy attacks slower, let’s make the player not die after 2-3 hits, let it be after 10 or 15 hits, let’s make Genichiro or Sword Saint Isshin have less complex combo strings, less weird timings, less delays, surely that’ll make it easier, but will that equate to a better designed game? Or a more “fun” game? No, it does not IMO & I for dang sure not in his opinion nor the majority, now the game doesn’t require enough understanding of its mechanics, there’s no reason to feel any threat or respect to its rules, there’s not much rewarding feeling afterwards, now combos are much more simpler & the rhythm has been decreased dramatically, so we stripped the “hard” part now and this is what we get, a much simpler game, surely “less than average” players will enjoy it without finding much hardships or frustration like with his Mario Lost Levels VS Mario Bros example, a lot of the “fun” that come from FromSoft's games is through their mechanics & recognizing patterns & using the player's mechanics in order to overcome those, both have to be congruent, you can't move really fast in Sekiro while every other enemy & boss are much slower than you or have very simple combos, this is what makes them fun & hard (whoa that sounded suggestive 😅), overcoming adversity & hardships is what makes you feel rewarded. And I like how he took the OG Mario Bros & said it’s better for the majority, he counted that as a positive, but From Software’s games have never been for the majority, in fact, the harder they get, the more people they brought, so this throws a big curveball to his argument fundamentally, just look at DS3, BB & Sekiro sales, they're higher & more popular than Demon's Souls, DS1 & DS2, and this supposed “hard” DLC sold 5 million units in a week, so people enjoy the difficulty & overcoming adversity? Or they shouldn't because that will make them "toxic" when they disagree with you, Feeble...🤣😭

@GredGlintstone 22 часа назад

So glad you dug it. I almost brought up that Mario point. So bizarre. Mario is not made for the same demographic as the Souls series lol

@why8642 5 часов назад

“The Fromsoft community has become the most toxic fandom” As an Overwatch player this feels like stolen valor.

@glisteninggames2981 5 часов назад

fromsoft got nothing on overwatch lol

@thesnatcher3616 3 часа назад

Or some anime Fandoms lol.

@GredGlintstone Час назад

100%

@Mxnecromancer День назад

What a terrible reflection of matthew to take for inspiration of a career. Matthewmatosis has a whole library of work that is some of my favorite works on RU-vid, and they chose the gut reaction he had to DS2

@GredGlintstone День назад

I can't say for sure. It's just a theory but.. seems the influence is clear to me.

@Umiedo 20 часов назад

18:45 YES THANK YOU! Games and the communities surrounding them has become ridden with content brain. "Where's my reward? What's the use of this? Why is there no loot? Why is there bad loot?". What happened with games are art? If you watch a Wim Wenders film, or read a book by Salinger, sometimes a scene will exist just for it to exist. Maybe it will grab you, maybe it will make different people feel different things. Either way it will do something to you, because you're experiencing the art work. This is what I felt with a lot of the "lackluster" ares of SotE. Finger ruins is awe inspiring and otherwordly. I haven't seen anything like it in Elden Ring or any other Soulsborne game for that matter. The abyssal woods are extremely atmospheric. Them locking torrent and making this place so big really makes you feel like a lost tiny soul. Maybe the replayability isn't top tier, but I just dont care man. I'm here to play the game and enjoy it for the piece of art that it is. I don't care about content and loot, just give me an experience I won't forget. If I want to replay it - great! If not, i'm fine. 40 bucks for an amazing first time playthrough is totally worth it in my book.

@skepsisrollins1711 17 часов назад

Plenty of areas in the original game were awe inspiring and filled with things to do. Finger Ruins are not awe inspiring and they take up roughly 10% of the dlc map. Cope all you want, OBJECTIVELY, they're a waste on a monumental scale. & don't comment back saying, but the metyr fight!!!! Once again, plenty of areas were in the lands between are awe inspiring with THINGS TO DO. The lake of rot isn't 10% of the whole map that i paid 100$ for in total. See the difference? The OBJECTIVE difference?

@Umiedo 15 часов назад

@@skepsisrollins1711 Haha did you watch the video until the end? It's kinda fun that you're harping on about objectivity when the whole point of the video is how interpreting art and objectivity is just not a thing. I'm happy the finger ruins are huge with nothing to do. I didn't know that my first time through, yet I felt awe and terror and mystery when I traversed through it. Having covered it all, the fact that there wasn't anything there just made it feel even more mysterious. That's how I felt. I can't tell you how you felt, but what I was trying to say with my post was that maybe, sometimes, we could loosen up the feeling of I-payed-for-this-now-give-me-constant-content-with-clear-cut-meaning, and just let things be weird and unclear for the sake of being weird and unclear.

@melissazadrozny5167 День назад

A 2 hour video critiquing critique. Ah yeah, this is the content I live for.

@GredGlintstone День назад

Hope you dig it!

@aidans1188 10 часов назад

“In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.” Such a good quote it’s still accurate in this current age.

@MoreLoreThenThereSeems 6 часов назад

@@aidans1188 idk critics risk a lot I think, generally speaking. And that line also discounts critique as a form of art which I’m also not comfortable with.

@palookadventures5694 3 часа назад

Doesn't help Joe hates Ratatouille :V (Based on an account of which he was watching movies with his kids)

@Stellos812 12 часов назад

After watching some of Loopine's videos around the same topic regarding Feeble King and others, seeing this video in my recommendations and giving it a watch has truly vindicated my entire mindset about these sorts of creators. I remember giving both Anderson and Feeble's videos a watch when Elden Ring released, fully believing most of what they talked about, buying into pretty much all of it. As a new fan to these games because of Elden Ring back then, I didn't think much of it, but these last 2 years and the release of the DLC really opened my eyes as to just how awful so many online self-proclaimed "game critics" are at critique. Honestly, the problem extends outside video games as well, as other media are plagued by very similar bad faith or terrible critics, and this topic could've extended far beyond just the extent of Elden Ring and Soulslikes in general. The entire landscape of online media "critique" has been, in my opinion, over saturated with individuals just like Anderson and Feeble. Bad at proper critique, negativity centered, and filled with lies, disingenuous arguments, or hypocritical statements. Honestly, the moment that broke me more than anything was Feeble's DLC video and his disregard for getting to see St. Trina, and saying the "real" reward was just a cookbook. As someone who loves the lore of Elden Ring, that blatant hand waving away of one of the game's most important and enigmatic characters in the lore felt, to me, more disrespectful to the people who worked on the DLC than just calling them lazy. Calling them "absurdly lazy" is one thing, but to do that, not even acknowledging the artistry of her design, the somber music, the revelation of getting to see someone the community had been speculating about for over 2 years, not even a passing mention of her was a more direct level of disrespect that showed, right then and there, how shameless his "critique" was. Edit: misspelled "Loopine"

@HeyTarnished 12 часов назад

I loved reading through your comment, I agree with everything, don’t worry, there are a lot of people like me and you who appreciate the game’s artistry while not being too negative, Elden Ring with its DLC is my favorite game of all time and I’m a huge Soulsborne guy that has been playing their games for years now.

@TheR6R6R 8 часов назад

On "oversaturation of ... negativity ...": Negativity sells, and RU-vid becoming a viable source of income for many these days may have played into that. I don't have any scientific sources rn but I'm confident enough that we can find papers on that easily, since drama and outrage has been a mainstream media staple for long. Just from a layman's perspective, videos that take a negative approach almost always has a higher view count than the positive ones. Channels like CinemaSins took advantage of this to great effect. Heck, the 2 videos on Gred's channel that blew up are discussing destructive behavior, and I only have found him because of this video. But yeah, I think humanity could benefit from a bigger push on focusing on the 'wins'. I make a habit of praising independent authors' (whether that's a musician, artist, game developer, or challenge-runner matters not) work, articulating details that they've clearly put effort in, etc. What they're doing is usually thankless and speaking of experience, one single thought-out compliment/constructive critique can mean a lot.

@pphaver871 8 часов назад

Feeble and many others (like myself) don’t care about the lore. There isn’t a good gameplay reward for defeating that boss. Someone whose experience is far more gameplay centric would of course have that opinion.

@Stellos812 7 часов назад

@@pphaver871 Yet there is a gameplay reward. The boss's remembrance which gives you either its weapon or a sorcery, runes to be used for whatever purpose you want, access to the rest of St. Trina's quest which gives you more item rewards, and the cookbook which gives you access to new crafting items. Whether or not you deem that as "good gameplay rewards" is entirely up to personal opinion, but it's still rewards for defeating the boss.

@HeyTarnished 7 часов назад

@@Stellos812 I’d say a secret area that leads to Stone Coffin Fissure, which is a moderately-sized level, that has unique enemies with unique discoverable weapons (St. Trina eternal sleep sword), plus a huge remembrance boss, a number of cookbooks, more Scadutree fragments, and a big lore revelation that solves a questline is probably the best instance of rewarding exploration I’ve ever seen in any Souls game, including Elden Ring itself, a game which excels at exploration & rewarding the player. It’s really funny with the way some on here come about this, since when did Souls games ever give you as much rewards as Elden Ring? Bloodborne when you beat Orphan of Kos, what the heck did they give you as a reward? Nothing, just a trash useless weapon “Kos Parasite”, what did DS3 give you after beating Sister Friede, just her Soul that gives you her weapon, nothing else. What did the game give you after beating Midir? Just his soul, that’s it, you fall down a big hole and you find him, that’s it lol. And Orphan of Kos & Sister Friede are part of the main path, Putrescent Knight is a FREAKING SIDE path, and it gives you more rewards than the main course in Bloodborne & Dark Souls 3. 😭😭 I can go on and on…

@PlatinumAltaria День назад

People always call the Souls series "tough but fair", and I don't agree. They are not fair. They are cruel, incomprehensible worlds that explain nothing and grind you to dust. Only through immense perseverance and teamwork can we overcome these odds, and many will fall and turn hollow with despair. The reason it feels good to beat a Souls game is because that isn't a guarantee, you cannot just "git gud" and beat everything. It takes learning and cooperation, which has always been a central theme of the series.

@GredGlintstone День назад

1000%. These are not "fair" games. They're very, very mean games.

@louisferreira1012 23 часа назад

They're fair because all you need to do is memorise what you learn from trial and error. They are not fair in the sense of giving a fair chance of intuitively understanding how to overcome a challenge in your first attempt of it.

@GredGlintstone 23 часа назад

@@louisferreira1012 exactly.

@JoseViktor4099 18 часов назад

For the people Who said Dark Souls games were 100% Fair, (on the way these people considered) just remember that there is a chance that a chest you open happens to be a Monster Whose grab at best removed 70% of your health bar, and the way to determine Who is the monster is by looking very very close if It has fangs, or if the player realize bad chests have different chains. Is fine for me. And thats why is fine for the other games

@kevo300 18 часов назад

Wow people think too hard into it damn.

@vitterling День назад

I think it's that whole "I'm refusing to learn so clearly the game wasn't trying to teach me" that really gets to me. So much of the attitude and misinformation seems to stem from that alone, no matter if it's weapons or bosses or exploration. And it's so sad because what I love about FromSoft's games is that they teach you constantly. Even that "gotcha" game design is all teaching. I refer to it jokingly as "FromSoft gave me trust issues" but once you LEARN that they will always try to trick you and trap you and scare the shit out of you, you will ALSO learn to predict it. I had a moment in Sekiro where I went "I just know a guy is hiding behind that corner", and guessing correctly and being able to sneak up on that guy instead of him jumpscaring me was almost as satisfying as taking Sword Saint down for the first time. Maybe you don't like that kind of design, that's fair, but saying it's not teaching you anything just because you refuse to learn from it is so disingenuous to me.

@GredGlintstone 23 часа назад

Absolutely. It's just a different style of teaching. It provides a different feeling than intuition and it offers different rewards.

@koshetz 4 часа назад

As someone who tried to beat Elden Ring as Dark Souls 3 at first and failed miserably i completely agree. This game needs you to ALWAYS be flexible, use pots, use greases and consumables, maybe have a few different max lvl weapons for your build. I finished DLC without summons (welp except the final stinker of a boss) just using nagakiba and not ignoring elemental weaknesses bosses have. It was amazing.

@yeeterdeleter8193 День назад

I think that Joseph made a really entertaining video about the DLC even if he got some parts wrong about it, whereas Feeble is literally known for rage-baiting and feeding the algorithm what it wants. I really love Elden Ring and the DLC and what I think is that these players got something I'd like to call fromsoft-tiredness. They dont appreciate where fromsoft was in 2009 compared to how insanely well made the newest entry is or how they would like to say: "miss the forest for the trees". What I mean by that is these people dont care anymore about the beautiful landscapes and cool little hidden areas or cookbook recipes. To me they are trying to "critizise" the game into becoming their personal-objectively-best-souls-game, which I find incredibly disingeiuous considering how much Elden Ring stands out. They are missing the experience side of things... As far as I remember I didnt use that many cookbook recipes because I didn't feel the need to in my first ever playthrough of the game, but its a nice touch for people who ARE struggling and need to use all their options in these games. Especially people like Feeble and Joseph try to "critique" the combat of the DLC when they bearly switch or interact with the combat system at all. Remember joseph being the only Greatsword Warrior in his basegame Elden Ring "critique", and how much he got clowned on for it. The same goes for quests, what gives you the right to "critique" the quests if you arent even doing them in the first place? Where comes the understanding in hindsight like: Ohh this is where npc X moves after Y happens...! Even if the rewards for quests arent that great... Anyway, great video Gred and greetings from Germany!

@GredGlintstone День назад

Appreciate it! I'm very biased against the exploration/rewards debate because I'm a completionist that will do everything in a game just to do it because I'm obsessive. Most games I don't use 99% of what I pick up so this isn't an Elden Ring problem for me. But I think a lot of the rewards people complain about are genuinely useful and cool if you engage with them.

@cheeze273 День назад

Joe literally did a magic only run. He did engage with all the tools available and didn't enjoy it.

@GredGlintstone День назад

@@cheeze273 He's absolutely allowed to not enjoy it.

@cheeze273 День назад

@@GredGlintstone I'm aware of that, I just read @yeeterdeleter8193 comment as dismissing what Joe thought because they misinterpreted something so I just felt like I should point out the mistake they made.

@yeeterdeleter8193 День назад

@@cheeze273 and I didnt know he actually did a magic only run, and I do apologize for that, if he did engage with all the content and still didnt enjoy the game then I only have critizism against Feeble, who actively avoids optional game mechanics because of stubborness. I thank you for clarifiying that, cheeze.

@purehollow 18 часов назад

This should get a million views

@GredGlintstone 18 часов назад

Your lips to Miyazaki’s ears.

@JoseViktor4099 17 часов назад

Agreed Hollow

@michalhoransky1214 13 часов назад

hot

@HeyTarnished 13 часов назад

I hope so, it is sorely needed in this disfigured community that heeds to misinformation.

@collapsiblechair9112 2 часа назад

of which only 10% would understand or care what was said

@highvoltage7559 День назад

Oh hey, a video about Souls game criticism that isn't bad. Wish these were more common. Still to this day I still wonder what Joseph is on about when he talks about boss designs in his DS3 and ER videos. They make me question if he learns the bosses at all.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I think he'd just really like it to take less time. It's an issue of patience. Bosses are harder to learn and harder to defeat though. It's an acceptable criticism. But it's still the same core gameplay loop it's always been.

@hanstelgotto8549 День назад

You've really succeeded at embodying the role of the critic you yourself put forth, I've had this feeling accumulating over the past few years I found difficult to articulate, a growing disillusionment with the video essay sphere around games, a genre of video that I was once enraptured with I found myself growing increasingly tired of as I grew up and videos just seemed to lack some 'substance' that I couldn't really put my finger on, its made it so usually I would never click on a video like this one, but something drew me in and Im so glad I took the chance, as these immaterial thoughts I've had for so long now feel now as though they've been given a clearer voice! From this disillusionment I've fallen to only really following a small handful of channels who I know I respect, whether through agreement or disagreement that their takes are genuinely insightful and thought provoking, that I can take something away from what they say consistently, and I can safely add this channel to that handful.

@GredGlintstone 23 часа назад

I really appreciate that. That's a great compliment. Happy to hear you dug it so much.

@SauceInception 7 часов назад

I really feel you, but I haven’t found many channels that scratch the “thought provoking and insightful” itch. Do you have any recommendations?

@hanstelgotto8549 4 часа назад

@@SauceInception My number 1 without a shadow of a doubt is AesirAesthetics, they have a couple 5-7 hour analysis on a few games (Sekiro, MGS1, SH2, Bloodborne) and each one of them is just, dripping with so so much to say, in a world with so many of these glacial video essays that do not justify their runtimes, those videos feel like every unnecessary corner has been smoothed off and he has truly tried his best to squeeze everything into as small a package as possible, they're so amazing, despite their length I usually end up rewatching one a month, the Silent Hill 2 one in particular might be my favourite video on the website With that massive recommendation out of the way, it is a bit of a power gap to the rest but they're still worth Adam Millard regularly produces some decent content on a wide variety of games Hydef Hyde seems to have stopped, but they made a small selection of some pretty good souls videos imo There's a RU-vidr named Kybitzed with only 3 videos from 4 years ago, but one of them is a very good Disco Elysium video if you have such an interest Similarly there's Samir Shotaro, who has only 2 videos but which are both excellent, a Disco Elysium video and an Outer Wilds video The Gemsbok has some good souls videos though I can't speak for their other content Another power gap to these final recommendations of channels which I think are hit or miss, but when they hit they hit well While his output has gotten a bit more shaky I find, I still overall like Jacob Gellar, he used to be my favourite a long time ago, he hasn't even really lost substance so much as I don't like how hard he does the deep impactful video essayist voice and sometimes I just find the topics he covers in engaging Leadhead is verrrrrry hit or miss for me, sometimes they very eloquently and poignantly make some excellent points and other times I'm confused and struggling to follow what they're getting at at all Finally I'd throw PatricianTV on there, mainly his first review of Furi but his other content is good too though it sometimes drags for me, I think he's a little self serious, and might stretch his videos out a tinsy little bit more than they deserve to be, but overall does a good job and what he does That's my full handful lol, scrolled through my whole subscription bar to fill that out, I hope you're able to get something out of them the same way I have!

@Gabrieldocafe 13 часов назад

That Joseph Anderson callout at the end of the video was FOUL brother goddamn

@HeyTarnished 13 часов назад

It was “The Explosion” that Joseph needed, not the one that he made, but the one that Gred Glintstone made. 😅

@thesnatcher3616 9 часов назад

"He loved you man". Damn that cut deep. I hope Joseph apologizes eventually. That user was a certified fanboy, someone who kissed the ground Joe walked on yet he still treated them that way. He should feel lucky to have fan as loyal as that, yet he threw them away like a piece of garbage.

@HeyTarnished 8 часов назад

@@thesnatcher3616 Honeslty I’d blame the fan more than Joseph (Joe is being a narcissistic prick as he always was), sorry for being rude, but the fan is stupid for lionizing another person like that. But I agree the “He loved you man” kinda cut deep for me too.

@GredGlintstone 2 часа назад

Necessary.

@Stanzbey69 Час назад

He deserves it, i can’t believe a critic as terrible has him has such a huge platform.

@Scowleasy 14 часов назад

Personally, I kinda hate the “git gud/skill issue” responses. I see it as the laziest ‘advice’ possible to give someone, signaling that you don’t even care enough to type out a complete thought, and instead of engaging with someone would prefer to act like a jackass instead. Sure, sometimes people do have an issue with their skills, but maybe we should use that as a teaching moment instead of dismissing them.

@glisteninggames2981 13 часов назад

when people spread misinformation about a boss while playing it poorly, i often write long comments on what they can do to solve their issue with the fight. gameplay tricks etc out of the ~50 times ive done this, the number of times it has been recieved well i can count on one hand. and the way i write to them is quite polite some move the goalpost and say its still untuitive and bad design blabla. some ignore, others are arrogant. in rare cases i get called a fromsoft glazer that licks their boots people dont like being wrong. there is no point in helping in most cases. at least in my experience

@Scowleasy 13 часов назад

@@glisteninggames2981 yeah at that point that’s on them

@thesnatcher3616 9 часов назад

@@glisteninggames2981 For sure. Attacks being unavoidable was actually one of the common complaints of ER bosses at launch and since a ton of them have been proven wrong by Loopine, the goalpost has subtlely shifted to the attacks being "unintuitive".

@glisteninggames2981 5 часов назад

@@thesnatcher3616 yeah crazy thing is, i didnt play elden ring in the first 7 months of its release, so i missed pretty much the apex of the whole discussion. its my first souls games too. when some people make a counterpoint, they always say like "if this method is truly intended/intuïtive, why did no one figure this out until months after the game released. its all because the challenge runners who have no life and devote all their time to their prince miyazaki and research framedata blablablablablablablaa" and then im like "idk bro maybe you all were just bad at the game and refused to experiment and adapt back then?" crazy right

@buckyhurdle4776 2 часа назад

"Git gud" will never go away, because people that complain on reddit about boss design all day genuinely need to get better at the fucking game

@LudgerBeats День назад

This video is absolutely mesmerizing. I’ve rarely felt so invested in a video essay and I wanna tell you that you are seriously talented. I also absolutely cannot stand the kind of people who claim a reward is bad because it didn’t make them physically stronger, really loved that part of the video. In a Minecraft server, those would be the same people who will farm a full set of Netherite armor as quickly as possible and just quit again without creating anything on the way. I seriously think a mindset like this robs you of most of the beauty of life.

@GredGlintstone День назад

Really appreciate the kind words. Bring back intrinsic motivation!

@gearlock3573 11 часов назад

can't praise this video enough no matter how hard i try. captures my sentiment on this topic damn near perfectly. people like joe and feeble moaning and complaining about the "toxic fromsoft fans" despite being among the most toxic figures to influence the community is unbearable. utter hypocrites.

@GredGlintstone 2 часа назад

Yup. Toxicity all round in the community atm.

@WH1SK3YJ4CK 22 часа назад

All my homies love Prime Consort

@PlatinumAltaria 21 час назад

1:48:33 Coming back to say that he's using the Milady with Sacred affinity and the AotC Wing ash of war. That ash is flashy but not particularly good, Holy damage isn't good against Bayle, and he's splitting his scaling 3 ways between Strength, Dex and Faith. If he wants to get more damage without changing his weapon he should switch to a Blood affinity for better Dex scaling and bleed build up that scales with Arcane. He can also swap the ash to something that's more useable in the fight, like Braggart's Roar for an attack and defence buff, or Cragblade for more stance pressure, or Wing Stance if he wants a flashy combo. Then he can swap out his talismans for whichever ones suit his weapon and playstyle. He's currently using the Two-Handed Sword and Axe talismans, so he should be going for charged heavy attacks, although he's also using the Winged Sword insignia which is better for light attacks. I can't tell if he's using a Crimson Amber Medallion or an INT boosting talisman, but he shouldn't be using either this late in the game. Then there's the physick flask which is another source of buffs, and consumables which are available to every build. So it's not even that he needs to change his weapon to a different one that does more damage, he's not even optimising the weapon he's currently using.

@GredGlintstone 20 часов назад

I also think he has little to no fragments there. But in his video his point was that more damage wouldn't solve his problems with the fight. It may not.. but it would solve the problem of an inflated health bar.

@flomil478 22 часа назад

Again, thank you for releasing this video. Your display of well thought out arguments and observations is helping this community heal in ways nobody else has attempted to. Let me add here - Joseph Anderson is not the only toxic person to dip into the Souls community and stir us up, doing damage beyond his imagination and obviously not caring about what he's doing. He just happened to be the subject of this video. However, thank you for directly calling him toxic. Because that's what he is. A few weeks ago my brother actually stopped talking to me because I didn't share his opinion on Elden Ring with him. I pleaded to him for us to not talk about the game anymore because it's not healthy for our relationship and frankly, having a falling out over a video game in your 30s is very, VERY wrong. Yet here we are, he hasn't responded to any of my attempts to reach to him since June 30th. I've been very restless ever since. I hate that this happened and don't think it's justified we're not talking anymore. This also reminds me of that one special individual who is trying to sue From Soft. Discussion and critique of this game has got way out of hand and blown WAY out of proportion for what it is. Elden Ring is my favourite thing ever. Not just game. It's just my favourite pass time, no matter how I'm engaging with it. STILL, I'm self aware enough to recognize it's not worth hurting people over and as you presented at the end of your video, Anderson genuinely hurt someone over a video review. It is true the other person should not have taken it to heart that much since they don't know Anderson personally but still, it was very wrong. For anybody interested about the argument my brother and I had; he basically demanded an easy mode for the game. When I explained to him why I thought the game didn't need an easy mode he doubled down and out right demanded a god mode be implemented into the game. He then called me "emotionally cold" and "misanthropic" (not paraphrasing, his actual words) for not wanting a god mode in the game. I tried to stay calm and explain to him that it's not okay for him to call me names over a different opinion. At some point I told him to not get emotional over our debate (which always achieves the exact opposite, I know that but I was getting angry as well), after which he started yelling at me. I hung up on him when he screamed at me. We haven't talked since. tldr: Great video. Please make more like this. You're helping people emotionally.

@GredGlintstone 22 часа назад

I'm really sorry to hear that, dude. These games create strong emotions. That comes out in some weird ways. Hope you get to a good place again with your bro. Joseph definitely isn't the worst of the bunch. But he is the most popular and (I think) the originator of this particular style. That's why he's the subject Thanks again for the kind words. Hope things work out better for you.

@Scowleasy 14 часов назад

I think a lot of RU-vidrs forget just how disconnected they are from what everyone else experiences. Sure we play these games a lot; but for a decent amount of them this is their *job* . Many of them also cannot tell the difference between criticism and an attack, either towards them or towards other people.

@jakeislavic3024 15 часов назад

4:34 he says that but his critique of DS2 is filled with missinformation and bad faith arguments, and he DID made an permanent impact on the game's reputation within the gaming comunity.

@enman009 10 часов назад

Seriously, thank you for this video. The amount of missinformation, hateplay, and condescension that has spread in the community is ridiculous; just like you said, these types of reactions by some members of the community wouldn't be acceptable in other communities or media. Goes without saying that you can like something and still have issues with it, but apparently we are glazers for not validating other's frustrations and opinions.

День назад

8:39 I feel like this is a slightly disingenuous misconstruction of what he is actually referring to. I don’t think he’s referring to people saying he sucks. He’s probably referring to the general idea of people hijacking conversations with stuff like “skill issue” and “git gud” with the sole intention of preventing discussion from happening. It’s like people having a problem with people constantly calling other people nahzis or libtards and whatnot. It’s not about the nature of calling out people for bad behavior, it’s about how such terminology is often used in a deliberate attempt to shut down conversation and debate. Buzzwords basically, an excuse to try and delegitimize discussion with the idea of “well if you are a nazhi/libtard/need to git gud, I don’t HAVE to engage with what you are saying because you are OBVIOUSLY in the wrong”. It’s an attempt of resolving responsibility on the part of the people engaging with the media. Such terminology rarely comes from a place of an actual desire to discuss a topic in good faith. There is a difference between deliberating on why someone could be incorrect due to a lack of knowledge and skill and just saying “skill issue” as a shutdown response in an attempt to silence and discard what someone has to say. Just like you iterate in the video; perception is reality and just like how critique can warp the perception of those who watch it, the same can be said about people who open up the comment section/a discussion board and see hoards of “skill issue” and nothing else to add. Their perception of the media has been warped by the machinations of others, regardless of the merit of the media being discussed. You might have engaged with this point more later on but I thought I’d give my thoughts now as you brought up and discussed this.

@biocta День назад

You're 100% right about this, Joe says, minutes later in the same video, that he brings this up because "git gud" discourages criticism and he wants people to be able to criticize the game. It's definitely a misrepresentation, whether is disingenuous or a misunderstanding I'm not sure. Same with the "Denmark is the capital of Malaysia" thing, it's clearly different than saying "Elden Ring is a good game" because one of them is objectively false and the other is something that cannot be measured in any objective way. I don't understand how you can criticize the "Subjectivity is Implied" video without being able to distinguish between these two different kinds of statements.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I have a problem with the git gud/skill issue discourse too and I've made my thoughts on all that clear. But the discussion of "skill issue" is in most cases... about skill. That's a topic that's usually centred on the subject of difficulty but the changes that Joseph suggests in this video are irrelevant to that discussion. I also do think he's taking it personally and his reaction isn't justified.

День назад

@@GredGlintstone ehh I’ll agree to disagree on justification. Dude gets a-lot of harassment. Also, a good chunk of people who just comment “skill issue” and whatnot probably don’t even watch the video which probably makes it extra infuriating for him. That’s another issue, you don’t have to engage with the media in any substantial way to comment “skill issue” and whatnot. You can just read the title or look at the thumbnail, take 3 seconds to comment and then leave. It requires 0 analytical or critical thinking on their part.

@biocta День назад

@@GredGlintstone It's become an all-encompassing response to any criticism that even suggests you had a hard time with something. You can't bring up Gaius's terrible charge hitbox, or Metyr's laser that is outright unavoidable, without getting spammed by git gud and skill issue. And you're forgetting, the "toxic assholes" he was talking about are not anyone who has ever said someone is having a skill issue even when it's true, but rather someone who refuses to accept any fault in the game or have any discussion about whether something was fair or not, preferring to shit talk people who have opinions they disagree with by telling them they're just bad at the game.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I'm sure he gets more hate than what he talks about in the video. And I'm sure they're often really personal and mean. The internet sucks sometimes. But spending almost a third of your critique talking about comments you're receiving, or 90% in Feeble's case, is too far. Game journalists working for the big publishers get far more hate and don't take time in their reviews addressing it. It's not relevant to their analysis of the game. He's using an emotional topic to justify his suggested changes. But, yes, agree to disagree :)

@ZomboidMania День назад

15:47 these are the types of people that make me not wanna use the internet sometimes, such crude language is hsrdly necessary and yet these people think it's okay because they're hidden behind a screen, it's just sad

@GredGlintstone День назад

Very unnecessary and very toxic but I've taken it as a compliment and I am actually getting it framed. That wasn't a joke, haha.

@FreestateofOkondor 18 часов назад

What I find so funny about Joseph Anderson seeing himself as an essential part of the game design process is that he's just such a bad game designer. In his ER video he suggests (a) a posture bar, (b) randomized dungeons, (c) passive stat increases for completing a dungeon, among many others. These are BAD suggestions. He analyzes a problem he has with the game and then comes up with a solution that took him all of 5 seconds to think of and that he is smart enough to be able to tell immediately is not gonna end well. It's so funny to me how he attempts to "constructively critique" actual game designers but does it in the most hamfisted way possible, by providing design that he himself would probably tear apart if it wasn't him making that suggestion.

@christianlangdon3766 9 часов назад

@@FreestateofOkondor I mean a posture bar or way of communicating you are close to posture break would be a good one. But ye the rest are trash. Granted I feel levels as a reward is technically one of those, and dungeons and caves don't reward a lot of runes for some reason not that it's ever stopped me to becoming overleveld for the last half of the game anyways.

@FreestateofOkondor 5 часов назад

@@christianlangdon3766 the problem with that is that now everyone is gonna play for posture damage. That's not really what the game wants you to do though. It wants posture breaking to be something some players do.

@inanefabas4402 2 часа назад

@FreestateofOkondor the mere existence of a posture bar will not cause people to play like that, how did you come to that conclusion? You're making a VERY loaded assumption.

@Modie Час назад

Except that he never says that this is the best solution. Just that it MIGHT be A solution. He is willing to accept any other. It's kind of funny. If people criticise a game and just leave it at that, people will shout "You are just hating and have no constructive criticism" and when they try to do that it's "Well that is a dumb idea" while the same people don't even make an argument and just say "bad".

@davidpower5710 7 минут назад

@Modie bro they did make a argument. He stated how he would change the game and the comments above attack his point simple as.

@FunkbusterG Час назад

Can't wait for Olive Garden to drop the next masterpiece in the emerging "play as a human man" subgenre.

@GredGlintstone 41 минуту назад

That was my favorite joke and I’m so glad someone liked it.

@lordcraigdragneel136 12 часов назад

Anderson saying fromsoft is becoming like bethesda and not innovating is insane since fromsoft made armored core sekiro and said they probably wont make another dlc and that they will be focusing on smaller projects. (In the time between ds3 and elden ring and its dlc fromsoft also released 3 completely different games: deracine, sekiro and armored core 6)

@squiggly4011 4 часа назад

He’s talking about the Souls formula. They are not innovating enough when it comes to those games. In fact several times throughout his video he gasses up Sekiro for its various innovations on the typical Souls formula

@lordcraigdragneel136 3 часа назад

@@squiggly4011 yeah but that goes out of the window when he compares fromsoft with bethesda who make the same game with a different theme. While i do think his innovation argument about souls is arguable i dont think the comparison with bethesda is a fair analogy.

@squiggly4011 3 часа назад

@@lordcraigdragneel136 He doesn’t want FromSoft to devolve into that is his point and I don’t blame him. In the past decade of the 8 games released only three of them, Sekiro,Armoured Core 6 and Deracine have been non-souls. Also doesn’t really look good when Sekiro and Armoured Core 6 haven’t received dlc. While I personally think that they will continue to branch out it still is a valid concern to have

@Pedro_Le_Chef 49 минут назад

@@squiggly4011how is it even valid? There's a huge difference in gameplay quality between Fromsoft and Bethesda. Fromsoftware improved the souls formula with every iteration, is Skyrim even better than oblivion in terms of gameplay? Is Starfield? You can't just equate dark souls series to fallout series, one has clear innovation, the other has constant regressions and repeating flaws.

@lordcraigdragneel136 19 минут назад

⁠first off you are wrong 4 games are non souls if you look at the past decade another armored core released in 2013. Second if i put it in another perspective : in the last 8 years 5 games have released 2 souls 3 non souls all with vastly different gameplay then it sounds like fromsoft is not being stagnant. And fromsoft making armored core immediately after elden ring also shows that they are not being stagnant. You are intentionally framing it in a wat to make it look worse.

@chackolate9 19 часов назад

Thanks for making this, ER and souls in general means so much to me but i have never been able to express an opinion about it without acknowledging "it has problems" or "isn't perfect" when that standard is never applied to any other game. Gotten really tired of these types of critiques to the point that i actively avoid anything with critique in the title and you did such a great job explaining why. I have people in real life who talk about games in this same smug way and now i can really articulate why it bothers me. At the end of the day none of this is that serious, it's just games, but i like to approach them as art and I think these overly negative discussions really detract from the intrinsic rewards you discussed. You definitely earned another subscriber!

@HeyTarnished 17 часов назад

This comment spoke to me so much, and I thank you for that. Glad we get to see these RU-vid pseudo-essays obdurate “critiques” get humbled a bit to knowing where their line is. 😅

@chackolate9 17 часов назад

@@HeyTarnished obdurate is a great word I now learned today LOL adding that to the vocabulary

@HeyTarnished 17 часов назад

@@chackolate9 Glad I typed that. 😂❤️

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

Thanks so much! Very different to say something is a masterpiece that has flaws and saying, "why the hell are there all these flaws in my masterpiece?"

@marchmelloow 4 часа назад

Calling the Leda fight a bad gank fight is insane to me. It has such a good pacing: you start off one v oneing Freyja but then get out numbered by Hornsent. It becomes harder to fight, and you start retreating. But then, the chad Ansbach comes in to even the odds, and it keeps going from there. It's one of the best fights From Software's made. It felt so amazing hearing Thiollier come in and forgive us before proclaiming his new found meaning in life. It was such a good conclusion for all the NPCs involved.

@shiftgaming101 4 часа назад

Not only was the dialogue great, but there is also a ton of variation to who even shows up, depending on which questlines you do, and how. I think it's possible to make it just Dane and Leda, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

@marchmelloow 4 часа назад

@@shiftgaming101 Yeah, if you kill everyone else or cause them not to show up (not giving Freyja Ansbach's note) then only those two show up. Having everyone show up is such an amazing reward for completing everyone's quests

@inanefabas4402 Час назад

Solo it's fine, but in multiplayer its grown to be an annoyance to me tbh. Damage and hp scaling for the fellowship so scary when the host has less than 9 scat levels.

@AllenButt-n3o 15 часов назад

I never understand when people call the souls community insanely toxic. Maybe I'm just the luckiest guy on earth, but in the 2 years since I fell in love with Dark Souls & bought a damn PS5 just so I could play the other ones, I have found the community extremely welcoming, helpful, and encouraging. I love hanging out on the souls subreddits & seeing how quick people are to help out new players who are struggling. I can't speak for others on this, but it's definitely been a positive experience for me.

@HalozillaEX 15 часов назад

The kinds of people who say "souls fans are toxic!" are the kinds that get easily triggered and take "git gud" way too personally. Not to mention the types that go into a community and say "this game sucks because i died to a boss, if you like this game then you all have daddy issues!" and then when they get rightfully laughed at and mocked, they walk away thinking "wow, those souls fans are such toxic assholes!"

@pphaver871 7 часов назад

It really depends on who you interact with, and your temperament. If you find perfectly nice people, you will be fine. Most souls fans are chill

@Krisusu 3 часа назад

I've never seen anything that stands out as exceptionally toxic about souls fans, but annoying people with nothing of value to contribute abound in every online community. Maybe it's a bit more noticeable with souls fans since they're a fairly large fandom, and the very overstated reputation souls games have for being difficult, hardcore games leads to certain perceptions of, and among, their fans. But as your own experience shows, it's quite possible to never encounter toxicity at all.

@GredGlintstone 2 часа назад

There's toxicity everywhere for sure. These games cause strong emotions. They're "rage games" for a reason. Both in the playing and discussing of them.

@dkDolphino 21 час назад

oh thank god someone is finally pointing out how fucking toxic all the anti "git gud" people are, never been a "git gud" guy but the way everyone talks about them is 100x more toxic than telling someone to git gud

@GredGlintstone 20 часов назад

There's toxic people on both sides for sure. But it's becoming a bit silly on either end. Especially because it seems like most people are in agreement that the game is good. It's just a difference in focus and tone.

@albertoorsomariaiorio2823 День назад

The item you get for a reward you will mostly use once or twice, or at best for the playthrough. The sense of wonder from going down an uncannily beautiful area and culminating in a lore-impactful, touching, and poignant encounter will stay with you for a lifetime.

@GredGlintstone День назад

Truth.

@MrDannyFrank 21 час назад

Honestly, i find the whole "fromsoft fans are toxic" thing to be a myth. Go onto the elden ring subreddit with questions or some issue and you'll have fuckloads of people giving you advice on how to overcome whatever has you stuck. I see far more toxicity coming from people criticizing us for liking the games difficulty and complaining that its not like DS1. But here's the thing, you can always go back and play DS1 if thats what you prefer, and not a single elden ring fan will say you're wrong for liking that game more. I also dont understand why people have to be good at a game for them to like it. I put like 30 hrs into sekiro and was so trash that i couldnt even beat Genichiro after all that time. And if someone at the time had asked me if the game was good, and if i would prefer it to have an easy mode, my answers to those questions would have been "yes" and then "no"

@GredGlintstone 20 часов назад

There's toxicity everywhere for sure. I can't really say which community is the most toxic. Overwatch was pretty damn bad. Voice chat should never be a thing.

@MrDannyFrank 15 часов назад

@GredGlintstone from my own personal experiece For Honor was probably the most toxic fan base, but i also havent played that game since 2017 or so. And i hope no one thinks im saying there isnt toxicity in the fromsoft fanbase, there definitely is, but ive never felt like that portion of the community was more prevalent than any other game. For the most part, fans of from games have been pretty helpful towards me when i've asked questions about elden ring

@beansnrice321 День назад

I spent 4 years practicing the martial art Aikido and a big principal is learning self control. For instance Aikdo rarely initiates attacks and usually waits for an opponent to attack first, so that the Aikidoka can counter attack. Aikido starts out very contrived and waits to show you the difficult techniques only after you have learned well how to protect yourself from taking falls, for example. However eventually you are fighting free form against multiple people at once and feeling somewhat familiar with the process. This is because you learn everything from example, repetition and trial and error. You practice the same move thousands of times with people of every shape and size. You also learn in very practical and satisfying ways. I say all of this becuase there is something very Aikdio goign on in Dark souls games and it is even down to the freedom of movement. However it's more than than just the controls, it's also in the very spirit of the game. We had an old saying in the dojo, every interaction with another person you teach them a little about how to interact with you and they teach you how to interact with them. If you are not learning from your expereinces, if you are rejecting reality that is in front of your face because it does not fit your world view, then you are doing yourself a disservice let alone other people. I 100% agree with your takes on JA and I have had issues with him in the past and not just with his takes. He also dones on with a certain lack of enthusiasm. Maybe it's his reading style but he speaks like he thinks that he does not need to sell his ideas to the listener. Rather he seems to think that his opinion is intrinsicly valueable and worth everyone's time from the jump. More to the point he seems to liek the word, objective, more than anyone has any right to. Your video in contrast has made meaningful point after meaningful point and has brought up supporitng evidence reliably and without unnessary imbelishment. I can barely get though a JA video but here I'm mostly thorugh your 2 hour video adn I'm already wishing there was more. Not to get too corney but good show ol bean! lol

@GredGlintstone День назад

Be water, friend. Appreciate the kind words :)

@mothra6652 День назад

Your conversation about rewards was very interesting. One review of SotE I watched was from a smaller creator, I can't remember their name, but I do remember some of their comments in regard to complaints about areas like Cerulean Coast and Charo's Hidden Grave. They suggested that we, as players familiar with open world games, often interpret emptier areas as automatically being 'bad'. We're used to the general norm of open worlds being cluttered and constantly giving us things to do and find, that an area deciding to use open space in a possibly more poignant sense registers as poorly made or having nothing to find. It really struck a chord with me, as has your video. I've been an ardent defender of the Consecrated Snowfield for this very reason. Sometimes it's just the atmosphere, the immersion of a wide-open yet well-hidden space that acts as its own reward. I think it's fine to critique the more tangible rewards, of course. But I also think sometimes it's better to ask 'what is this area trying to do/make me feel?' as opposed to 'what does this area have that can personally benefit me?'

@GredGlintstone День назад

I agree. Empty space isn't useless. It serves a purpose.

@strangeweather8827 День назад

There is some AI-voiced channel which has for some months been engaged in a crusade against all the rotten writing about Dark Souls 2 the last decade saw uploaded to this website, much in the same vein as this piece of yours. Rock On. The value proposition of this style of critique (being on the right side of the discourse, not deepening your appreciation for the art) you put forward near the 48-minute mark sums it up nice. I, too, would like to grow my star and Patreon bux had I the platform.

@Marco1995Mega 12 часов назад

Do you know what's especially bad about Feeble's first SotE video? It was his FIRST video on the expansion; it wasn't a response to anybody. And yet, it had that hypocritically toxic "cult-like" comment. Before anyone could tell him their opinion on his video or just generally share their own experiences with the game, he drops that bombshell, probably to preemptively stave off any criticism. Or he just hated his experience so much that he genuinely believed that those who enjoyed it were blind or From worshippers, compounded by his later statement of ,"I dare you to tell me you enjoyed this expansion in your first run". How in the world can you be both so arrogant and so hypocritical?

@ackvendor 9 часов назад

It feels strange that certain “critics” are convinced that these games dont teach you enough or dont show enough when on the other side of the spectrum are absolutely dedicated individuals who give out unique methods to deal with difficult fights or the lore community who spends months gleaning so many details. One would imagine that their mere existence would give bad faith takes pause.

@JoseViktor4099 18 часов назад

Personally, I grown tired of these critiques. I just learnt to first make an opinion, and then analize if they critique in question was worth it. There are insanely good critiques over there. I was never more satisfied with a review like Nasu critique, which tell with perfect data the upcomings and the shortcomings, and wont be biased to "thats ruins the fight" or something like that. For the other critiques... Yeah, Feeble and Demod were easily the worst, I think that Demod og critique aged pretty poorly while having the same opinion, while Feeble despite having a couple of nice points at first, everything went to sh!t on the second half. You also have Jester of Juice, who said that the DLC was rushed blaming AC6 for it, whose point made a lot of backlash and prove that critics can be extremely pretentious while not knowing anything even about game development.

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

I think its great that Demod listened and is changing. Hope the others do the same.

@JoseViktor4099 3 часа назад

@@GredGlintstone If his opinions are genuine, well, is actually a very good new!-

@RedgraveGoth 19 часов назад

A rare diamond in the rough, this channel. Fantastic critique of people I think are contagious pessimists. So often I listen to even my circles regurgitate the statements that these people or other video game 'critics' make. Thanks to people like them, being hateful and being 'objectively negative' is somehow cool and more sophisticated than simply enjoying something despite it's flaws, OR crazy this; accepting that you don't enjoy it, and moving on. Because if you're not willing to unapologetically bash something with someone else's words, how can you even say you're a free thinker? The irony is rich. Great video.

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

Really appreciate that. Well articulated.

@saltshaker8films День назад

11:04 I question when you're starting to count the frames for the attack. I have not meticulously combed through Godrick's attack animations, so I may be wrong here, but it looks to me like Godrick is still in his recovery animation when you start counting. The recovery animation brings him from the attack he just finished back to a neutral animation state, where he then moves into the storm assault move. The main reason I believe this is because of how the movement arcs change. He's bringing his arm back up and then suddenly he switches to a new arc and the axe snaps down. Unless that return to neutral animation is distinct from any other attack, I would consider the snap to be the start of the attack, which is what I assume Joe using as well.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I'll agree with you that there is subjectivity in when you start counting the frames but if you start counting from where Joseph says (less than 20) he's clearly not at the beginning of the move. It's a real stretch to say that. You can see yourself by pressing "," and "." to move frame by frame on the video. *edit* to be clear: I'm counting the frames from where the footage loops. That's when I think the move starts. There's leeway for sure but I don't think you can say less than 20.

@DreamyAileen 9 часов назад

The axe snapping down is because Godrick flinched from taking damage at that moment. It's completely unrelated to the attack animation

@saltshaker8films 8 часов назад

@@DreamyAileen That's a good point, I hadn't noticed that. Explains why I wasn't seeing it when I went to look through other videos of the fight

@saltshaker8films 8 часов назад

@@GredGlintstone Yes, he's not at the beginning of the move when Joe says 'less than 20'. I don't agree with the start point you're using, but as DreamyAileen pointed out I am getting tripped up by the weirdness caused by Godrick being hit mid animation. I probably need to do the fight again to come to a conclusion there. At the very least, I can see that an empirical measurement like frame data should be clearly backed up with an example (start/end points), which Joe doesn't do here. And if he didn't actually measure it, then it's a subjective assessment masquerading as an objective one.

@marchmelloow 5 часов назад

It looks weird because he flinches from an attack and is turning around when he uses the move, but the real start of the attack is when he raises his left arm. That's what you're supposed to use to tell when he's using the attack, which becomes much more obvious in Phase 2 because of how the dragon head moves. He starts raising his ax slightly later, which I think is why he and others think the attack is unreachable: they look at his axe but ignore his arm.

@CACOaugus1o 17 часов назад

I see some people nowadays playing games like it is some kind of job. Not even stopping to appreciate anything that they are seeing.

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

Feeble literally says in that Bloodborne video that playing the game started to feel like a job and I was like "dude, aren't you getting paid to play this?". It is your job.

@Romapolitan 19 часов назад

I also remember that Mathewmatosis quote. I found it strange because I was very sure at some point Miyazaki said that difficulty was there for a rewarding experience.

@Romapolitan 20 часов назад

You know it really annoyed me when I saw reviews from people I liked calling the entire fan base toxic. It felt they got actual very specific personal threats. I never saw the Fromsoft community being any more toxic than any other community. In fact I saw a lot more kind people there. And if they are talking about people saying get good, I really question if they know genuine toxicity. I can imagine it getting more toxic with Elden Ring being such a huge success, but overall criticism is to be expected and the way some reviewers react to it seems like they don't actually want discussion at all.

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

There are always toxic people in every community. I think ultimately the toxic positivity thing was in danger of creating an even bigger us vs them mentality which is why I wanted to speak about it. The difference between the souls community and other communities is that everyone seems to agree that this game is a banger. We just have very different ways of talking about it.

@josiahcmiller 15 часов назад

Possibly one of the most important videos I’ve found on RU-vid recently in regards to critical thinking in analysis.

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

Huge. Thanks, dude.

@ZomboidMania День назад

I thought the great runes were bugged lol, took me an internet search to figure out I'm a little silly 😔

@GredGlintstone День назад

Very valid interpretation! Just not an objective one.

@DemonKingHiei День назад

Feeble king intentionally giving an objective value to something was the worst part of his video for me. Not taking into account how important a specific thing may be to any given person. 19:00, shamen village is easily the best reward I got in the whole game and here’s why. This dlc came out on my birthday. Several months before that my dad paid for the collectors edition pre order for me. 2 weeks before the release and my birthday, he had a massive heart attack and died When I reached that village I was at peach having a moment to reflect on the game and impact that my father left on me That village brought me to tears. It showed me that even in the darkest hrs in this cruel world there is also some beauty in it.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I'm sorry about your dad. It's great the game could make you feel that way. That's a great moment to share.

@DemonKingHiei День назад

@@GredGlintstone thank you. Here we are many months later and I still get random flash’s of when I found him. But thinking about the village has become a bit of a safe space for me. Infact it was shadow of the ErdTree that really got me into streaming. Cuz u never know how a game is gonna effect you and it’s good to preserve this memories

@DemonKingHiei День назад

@@GredGlintstone also this video has earned my sub. Not cuz ur calling out terrible stuff but rather how u dissect the takes at hand

@yunuss58 22 часа назад

Shaman village gave me chills and that feeling when your brain gears start moving and you connect the dots with everything you learned before in places like Bonny village. So satisfying

@DemonKingHiei 6 часов назад

@@yunuss58 100% agree. It’s stupid for 1 individual to decide what a rewards value is for everyone else. I use Summons cuz I enjoy the AI Co op but apparently they are a bad reward

@landonhagan450 8 часов назад

I lost a lot of respect for Joseph Anderson with his video on why he doesn't find horror games scary (the video that triggered the "Subjectivity is Implied" video). His rationale and the things he argues for are so incredibly narrow minded, dismissive, and poorly thought out that it felt wildly out of character for him. I lost the remainder of my respect for him with the aformentioned subjectivity video for all the reasons you state here and more. Most of all though, he quotes me a couple times in that video, taking my comments out of context and deliberately misrepresenting them to make me look like I was saying something I wasn't. Since then, I haven't watched a video by him or about him until now and that's only because it's been so long that I confused him with another RU-vidr. He's good at playing the part, but in truth he's just not a critic that's worth taking seriously. His opinion should hold much less weight than it does.

@HeyTarnished 8 часов назад

This is one of the main traits of a narcissist, he always does that & will relentlessly defend his garbage narrow-minded arguments whenever he meets a well-constructed counter argument. Don’t worry, videos like this one that we’re currently watching were bound to happen because of his behavior. Glad we see someone critiquing a “RU-vidr Critic.”

@gregrothschilds8453 4 часа назад

Joseph's SOMA vid is genuinely some of his worst work I've ever seen and it annoys me as well cause a lot of what he discussed in that vid about the game is either flat out wrong, a blatant misunderstanding of the story, or some bizarre attempt at trying to "fix it" with his own writing (even though his ideas suck in the end). Then add on the Horror games not scaring him AND the subjectivity is implied vid lol.

@howdyfriends7950 11 часов назад

thank you for this video! I'm someone who generally enjoys every game i play, i tend to forget about roadblocks that frustrated me because i just really like exploring this strange virtual world, and the reward of overcoming a challenge quickly erases the agony of the struggle to do so. I didn't have a particularly hard time with elden ring or shadow of the erdtree (or any souls game for that matter), mostly because i like exploring and fighting basic enemies so much that I'm always significantly overleveled, so I didn't have a particularly rough go at the game. at the same time, I'm not so attached to this game that I'm unwilling to hear someone vent their frustrations about it, and usually I'll nod in agreement and be like "yeah, that part did kinda suck", and even when I don't agree with them, i use that as a chance to exercise my empathy and just try to see it from their perspective. but for some reason every single feeble king video I've ever watched has kinda rubbed me the wrong way. when he "criticized" DS2, and then took it back and said that actually vanilla DS2 is great and scholar of the first sin ruined it, basically every justification he gave was just not true according to those games as i experienced them. i don't remember specifics because it was a few months ago, but i remember at the time thinking that it felt like he had already come to his conclusion beforehand, and the entire video was filled with post-hoc rationalizations, he was just looking for reasons to justify what he already wanted to believe. i am willing to bet $100 that he watched legend of xander's video about how scholar of the first sin ruined DS2 and then decided to make his own. the weird statements that just didn't match my experiences were not even like his opinion was that vanilla was fun and scholar was not (I've played both, they're both fine games, i kinda prefer scholar), but he was wrong about basic things like enemy and item placement, how many "gank fights" and unavoidable ambushes there are (vanilla has significantly more geographical aggro triggers linked to groups of 3+ enemies, I don't think there's a single one in scholar that aggros more than 3), the difficulty curve (I'm pretty sure if there was an objective way to measure a difficulty curve, scholar's would be significantly better than vanilla's), leveling up to me, it felt like he didn't even pay attention to the game when he was playing it? and I've never gotten that kind of impression from a "critique" before, that's a first for me. and then with his elden ring dlc thing, it was really painful to watch, it just kept making me cringe, like "all i got was a cookbook", like first off, that's just not true, but secondly, consumables are some of the most fun items in this game, you're really telling me you haven't like trolled an enemy camp by shooting a pumpkin head with a bewitching branch? or threw a sleep pot at a runebear to grab a nearby item? or crafted some ironjar aromatics and tried to beat rykard without the serpent hunter? do you even have fun in this game? what do you do when you open elden ring on your computer? he took two hours to tell me that he sees elden ring as a boss rush, this vast open world with beautiful vistas, littered with different types of enemies and critters, regional flora and setdressing, ancient ruins, that's all just window dressing that's standing between him and the next fog gate, and whenever I don't agree with a criticism i try my best to exercise my empathy and see it from their perspective, but that's just so radically opposed to the way i see the game that it made me physically uncomfortable to even try sympathizing with him. him repeatedly saying that smithing stones, spirit ashes, cookbooks, etc. were all just filler was just so crazy to me, the man doesn't engage with like 75% of the game's content or actually use any of the unique material rewards it gives him, and then complains about there not being any unique rewards. like buddy, you're staring at it, that demi-human yosh spirit ash, you just fought that guy, that dude goes so hard, you don't wanna try fighting alongside him? that sounds so fun to just have this crazy acrobatic swordsman at your disposal whenever you see the blue monument on the side of the screen (which is like at least hundreds of overworld locations, not just for boss fights) but no, the challenge runners have decided that spirit ashes are cheating, magic is lame, incantations are lame, bows and crossbows are lame, a macho man like me is only allowed to be naked and wield a large bonking stick, and since you can't upgrade my bonking stick past level 25 because it would mess up the NG+ scaling, and since I don't need anything but my bonking stick, there is no reward that can satisfy me, aside from maybe a new stick with 30% more bonk. there's like a dozen new armor sets, like 100+ new weapons, 50+ new spells, 10+ new spirit ashes, if you don't find any of that content interesting my only conclusion is that you are a deeply uncreative person who feels compelled to prove something and abide by the naked bonking man ruleset. it feels really similar to the men who feel a deep compulsion to perform masculinity, drink a beer they don't like, order wings that are too spicy for them to actually enjoy, buy a lifted pickup truck despite not having anything to tow, coastal suburbanite cosplaying as a redneck, you know what I'm talking about, the guys who are deeply offended at any insinuation that they might be homosexual, it's like... buddy, it's 2024, lighten up, drop the act. nobody will think less of you, it takes so much less work to stop fronting like this, try a faith build, maybe use some volcano pots, they're actually pretty fun to mess around with. we're all just playing games to get some entertainment, drop the "elite gamer" nonsense and bring some variety back into your joyless life.

@gijinkagamer4928 21 час назад

I could never put my thoughts about Joseph Anderson in particular into words. This video has the closest I think I can get to really interpreting those thoughts. I kind of liked his content, but something was always… off about how I perceived him, like there was something either not genuine or *too* genuine about his content. Now I realize it wasn’t about being genuine; it was about being highly opinionated and wanting validation for those opinions. Can’t say I knew much about the other content creators in this video before I watched, though, but I get the idea I would have felt similarly towards them. Great deconstruction, great critique.

@GredGlintstone 20 часов назад

Appreciate it. Can't say much about his need for validation but he's definitely leaning into a style which I don't care for.

@Syaniiti 8 часов назад

Let's be clear, the text for great runes implies they do something without using rune arcs, since to have an "even greater benefit" you must have a benefit to increase. I'd wager a translation error is more likely than a bug but still, I'd argue it *is* an error.

@GredGlintstone Час назад

Could be! But not objectively.

@cosimomedicis8094 День назад

Dude feeble defense of his death knight point had me dying😂

@GredGlintstone День назад

So wild.

@cosimomedicis8094 День назад

@@GredGlintstone great vid btw subbed

@GredGlintstone День назад

@@cosimomedicis8094 Thanks dude!

@HeinzBeanz2002 День назад

18:25 Oh my god I’ve been saying this for sooooo long. Its so sad to see people only look at things from a purely gameplay angle and ignore all of the lore, atmosphere and vibe that oozes from a lot of the areas, especially areas that typically don’t have much going for them gameplay wise. For me, even if an area doesn’t have much to do gameplay wise or gives me something that Isn’t useful for my build, there is still so much to enjoy in the world and what it means for the lore and just how it looks that makes it impossible first me to truly feel dissatisfied. People need to understand that an area or a moment is so much more than a gameplay thing. The art, nuggets of story and vibes are just as important

@GredGlintstone День назад

100%. Empty is not bad.

@HeinzBeanz2002 День назад

@@GredGlintstone at that point i wouldn’t even call it “empty” I’d call it more uneventful, but i don’t mean it in a bad way because i feel like Charos and Cerulean coast are supposed to be just that. Its full of enemies that i feel don’t even want to fight in the first place. Its a serene and somewhat untouched place compared to Gravesight and Scadu altus, which on the other hand is full if death and the aftermath of a gruesome war. The coastal areas along with hinterlands feel like they’re a breath if fresh air from the gloomy war torn areas before them, makes you forget about the crusade that happened for a moment. I remember when i beat Promised Consort at level 1 after roughly 600 deaths pre patch, it was extremely punishing and i was losing my mind. When i beat it at long last, first thing i did was warp to Cerulean coast, change it to night and just sat there and took it in. An area that is bland and boring wouldn’t make me come back to it like this, the vibe and atmosphere make it so much more. Even if you’re just riding though to get to the fissure, even if there’s little to do there or fight, sometimes you have to slow down and smell the roses.

@marchmelloow 5 часов назад

From a similar angle, hearing people call the Leda team fight a bad gank fight is one of the most crazy things I've heard. For me, it was an amazing battle, especially with Ansbach and Thiollier. It was what all the NPC's storylines were leading to. Was the gameplay of it good? I have no idea. I was too busy enjoying Thiollier forgiving me and hearing that he now has a new master, St. Trina. I was so shocked to see him there, I thought he had truly given up on life, so seeing him help me out felt so good.

@adamyohan День назад

Only gripe with the vid is the slight misrepresentation of Matthew's vid (lost art of demon Souls) but overall a much needed video. It's so, so hard to find good video game commentary and critique. Everyone is rage-baiting and throwing out fancy terms with zero grasp on what they mean.

@GredGlintstone День назад

You think so? I thought I argued that he makes a lot of good points. I only took issue with a couple of his blanket statements about a lack of innovation and why dodge hit is boring. I think his argument about strategising for fights is actually really strong. It's why I bring it up because people always use the vid as evidence that the souls series has gotten boring but that's not what Matthew is arguing. I actually really agree with Matthew in that video for the most part. But really appreciate the nice words again. The fancy terms is a big one. I made sure to show my definitions. I was worried it would become more like a powerpoint presentation than a video essay but I felt like it was really important. I really don't like when people on youtube use fancy words but don't explain what they mean. It's really elitist imo.

@adamyohan День назад

@@GredGlintstone I was specifically thinking of the Micolash preference and "Bloodborne is more Demon Souls" part which wasn't what he said but you did end up clarifying later. The clarity on terms is a breath of fresh air. Didn't feel like a PP presentation at all. Well done.

@GredGlintstone 19 часов назад

Ah, that's good. Glad I cleared it up. Would hate to think I misrepresented him Cheers for that

@jacobholt6347 День назад

Sorry in advance for yapping so much. Thank you in advance if you read the whole thing. When Joe compared Bethesda and FromSoft, and after watching your video, I realized something. Joe said that when Skyrim came out that it was so popular that people were afraid to critique or challenge them, leading to Fallout 4 disappointing, 76 being buggy, and Starfield being disliked overall. Joe said it was because of the community not critiquing lead Bethesda to make worse and worse quality games, and then saying Elden Ring is From's version of Skyrim and will lead to a similar fate. How shitty of a mood do you have to be in to think that what Joe clearly says is a great game and one he loves, and his outlook on the company is them eventually failing and becoming a shell of its former self? The games are clearly not shit, unlike launch day F76 or Starfield. Ironically, FromSoft games are the ones with the louder negative and toxic RU-vidrs and influencers, yet FromSoft continues to make solid game/experience after solid game/experience. But since the toxic spewing shit is getting so loud that whole sections of the internet are ignoring FromSoft games because a popular person said so, it might actually lead to a loss of sales or more hostility towards the game. The game is already niche, and yeah I know Elden Ring sold over 20 million copies it is now pretty mainstream, but that doesn’t mean something that is super successful can always recreate exactly what they did to become mainstream in the first place. Why do you think Dark Souls 1 2 and 3 are all so different, or that Bloodborne or Sekiro exist? Because they wanted to innovate and make an interesting and fun and varied experience. Every single time there was a lot of success (yes even with Dark Souls 2). But those successes get shuffled into a corner, never to be seen in these critiques the toxic reviewers make. Gled you are so right on that in those guys' videos they barely ever take the time to appreciate what the game does right or innovates. The amazing level design, music, interesting weapon arts and buffet of options that wasn’t there in the last game which adds immense amounts of replayability and options (something you want in an RPG), is ignored because Messmer killed me because I refused to play the game like an RPG and refused to try different things. They take the joke of Dark Souls 3 being a glorified boss rush game and actually believe in that shit and want the games to be like that. I think Feeble King has played too many Soul Level 1 runs and that overtook his mind and distorted his view of what these games truly are. He can certainly like those challenge runs, but that’s what they are, “Challenge Runs”, not how the game is actually supposed to be played, aka whatever you want it is an RPG. I think Elden Ring having as many viable options as it has for many different play styles goes to show the love and care put into it by FromSoft. And also those guys never talk about using status build-up as a strategy. IT IS SUCH GOOD ADVICE THO. I had no clue about the Radahn scarlet rot thing, and that can really help with my go (at least when I get to that point lol). Not everyone is like you, Joe, Feeble. Not everyone uses double colossal great swords and that exclusively, and not everyone wants to play Soul Level 1 all the time and treat the game as a boss rush. I think most fans of the series want a unique experience that most game companies do not make because it is so different from the norm because it actually takes time to learn things throughout the whole game. There is no “get my reward for participating” button, there is only time dedicated to exploring, experimenting strats and builds and weapons, taking in the sights, talking to NPC’s either because they have tips or they’re just good characters, etc etc etc. FromSoft made a game stuffed to the fucking brim full of what people have been asking for, yet they still bite the hand that feeds them. I don’t know what FromSoft is like internally, but maybe because the toxic people have spread their shit so much that it could potentially cause FromSoft to crack and make their next game have an Easy Mode. OH THE HORROR! FromSoft doesn’t want to make easy games. Me and millions of fans don’t want to play an easy FromSoft game. First off, stop treating the public so poorly (looking at you Joe, you told that one fan to fuck off over nothing), and stop telling them that your opinion on the game is right, because lets be real, a lot of people don’t think for themselves. It could lead to people like Joe and Feeble to not even make reviews on future FromSoft games because of their toxic views potentially lead to no more of the games at all because of mass mob mentality. They can’t think far enough ahead that they could lead to not being able to get games they enjoy anymore due to being negative bastards. My fingers hurt typing so much. Gled, your video was an absolute banger. I am glad I started watching your videos because it helps me to take a deeper look into myself and understand others as well. I also was inspired by your last video about Gamer Rage so much that I beat Dark Souls 3 and its DLC with experimentation and different weapons. Ngl I always love a quality build, strength and dexterity combined are super fun for me. And now I have a deeper appreciation for people who DON’T play like I do! I can’t wait to play Elden Ring because the magic looks so fun in that game. Videos like these are the actual ones that build decent communities and encourage new experiences and discussions that are much more positive and healthy for the mind and well being. Of course, there is always a time and place for criticism on bad parts of a game, or anything really. But just like with praising something over and over again it starts to lose its meaning, calling something shit over and over again just leads to disdain over everything. GG Gled you’re the goat.

@GredGlintstone День назад

Really appreciate you taking the time. What an amazing comment. Yeah, I absolutely agree. I was so shocked by the accusation of toxic positivity in Joe's video. It was the core reason why I wanted to make this. Especially as it came out right after Feeble's original DLC critique. Since the release we've had review bombing, constant negative reviews from internet critics, and a really sour tone in the discussion around this game. Which is great! It's so insane to me to follow all of that up and make the argument that the toxicity in the community is from the people defending it. Wild. So glad to hear you were inspired by the last vid to finish your run. That makes me real happy.

@jacobholt6347 День назад

@@GredGlintstone this vid is inspiring me to get a pc that can actually run elden ring lmfao.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I play on PS5. I really want a pc for mods. Infinite rune arcs plzzzz.

@Sadddude День назад

My 2 cents on one point in the video about exploring new weapons and consumables. I wish I could use all the different weapons in elden ring, but I'm not willing run around farming a ton of smithing stones. I barely have enough stones for 2-3 fully upgraded weapons in my playthrough. I just wish you could refund your smithing stones somehow (like how respeccing stats work). That's why 99% of weapons I get go unused. For consumables, I have an aversion to using consumable items ever. This is a me problem I admit, but I bet a lot of people have this same problem. Estus flask is a great solution to the infinite healing issue in other games, but I always wonder why they didn't do the same for pots or other consumables. Just make all those cookbook items rechargable at bonfires, and I'd be way more willing to use them.

@GredGlintstone День назад

There's a lot of materials out there but, yes, they take some searching for sure. I probably should have added in that section that it wouldn't be reasonable to find many of them without a guide. That's a valid point. I have that many stones because I've played the game a bazillion times and know where they all are.

@JustEvanopolopogus 17 часов назад

Only a couple thousand views? This video’s quality feels deserving of the millions mark honestly. I feel with how popular negative and unstructured breakdowns of games can sometimes be, videos like these are a breath of fresh air

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

Wow. That would be pretty wild but even the views I have no is wild. I had 24 subs a month ago lol.

@Elden-Bear 21 час назад

The first long video I sat down to watch, no skips and no captions. just hearing you out this might be my favorite video on youtue

@GredGlintstone 20 часов назад

Wow. Amazing compliment. That means a lot. Thanks.

@SpikingDragon 14 часов назад

I’m impressed you have the balls to post this in the Joseph Anderson subreddit

@GredGlintstone 2 часа назад

Felt only fair they should know about it since they're in it. I'm only a small channel and wanted to give them a chance to see it and contribute to the discussion. Important to hear their view as well.

@feeblecursedone2540 10 часов назад

First Chapter: "You are not immune." Last Chapter: "I am not immune." This goes far harder than I would have expected from a video about video game critiques.

@allgreatnike1009 3 часа назад

Amazing video! I was skeptical at first, but I think this was a good video speaking on this issues.

@guyWSonicpicture 7 часов назад

The point about the weapons hits me hard because I found myself having this issue with Bloodborne. After I was close to the end I saw the cane and I thought it was so cool how it turned into a whip but I thought "I cant use it im too far on the game to change weapons" but instead of stopping I just added it to use and holy shit its amazing and it was literally so easy to level it up to give good damage, people forgot that we dont need to always go for "the optimal strategy" and sometimes its about fun and doing what you think its cool. As for the "Glazing" argument, we live in deeply cynical times. People are so deep in irony and cynicism that when someone seems to just straight up enjoy something it's like we can't take it... People are so used to watching hate videos and stuff and they are entertaining but I think people are so deep that "this or that is no masterpiece" way of thinking that they see someone enjoying something fully as them blindly accepting everything.

@MoreLoreThenThereSeems День назад

I have come to a conclusion I feel strongly about when it comes to feeble, I don’t believe he’s genuine. I think he’s just engagement/rage baiting.

@GredGlintstone День назад

I think its very likely he's trolling but who knows. He's definitely playing it up for sure.

@SolitasRuisu 20 часов назад

Thanks for this analysis. Elden Ring criticism has become so toxic and nonsensical lately and it feels like I'm going insane with how popular they are while calling me a "cultist" for daring to disagree and point out how there's clearly wrong arguments there.

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

Praise be, Miyazaki.

@HeyTarnished День назад

Videos like yours are bound to happen, it's why this trend of RU-vidr "critique" videos have almost become too ragebait-y, too negative & are there mostly for engagement farming, I remember people were saying media critic review are bad & all (yet they follow them), they used to say "make up your mind, everyone has opinions" and when they trashed media critics, now they wanna find someone else to tell them what their opinions will be for a said game, and sadly. I think a game like Elden Ring with its gargantuan success, its massive cultural impact in gaming, plus its huge departure from the typical From Software Souls game on many fundamental aspects plus RU-vid engagement & this questionable at best & pitiful at worst trend which is the "video game CRITIQUE" videos on RU-vid have destroyed the discussions around games like Elden Ring, Zelda TOTK, and God help us when GTA VI releases, we'll see even more grift, misinformation & useless drivel. These long-form pseudo-essayist misinformation-filled critique videos that muddy the true picture are what's making discussing these games insufferable, this is the plague that follows every FromSoft game I guess, guys like Demodcracy, Joseph Anderson & Feeble King have been literally spreading misinformation just because they felt insulted by Elden Ring & didn't want to learn the bosses' mechanics, which has literally been the point of every game FromSoft has released, there must be something new to challenge, something more exciting & fulfilling than in the past, and I think Sekiro, Armored Core 6 & Elden Ring achieve that the best honestly, it's time for some people to crawl out of their preconceived notions & begin to evolve just like how From Software have been evolving with each game they release, if it was Joseph's or Demoscracy's way, we'd still wait for Dark Souls 3 to release & be the same slow methodical outdated combat in 2024 lol, Joseph's 1st critique video was the catalyst of misinformation, kept saying stuff like bosses have unavoidable attacks, unreactable attacks, "breaking the rules" whatever the heck that means & so many other drivel it was crazy. They're very similar to RU-vid commentary channels where their sole purpose is to criticize & hate other RU-vid channels, and they get a lot of views, and what better game to criticize than Elden Ring? The game that has made a strong cultural impact, one that is very famous for its once in a decade experience & quality, while also being hard as nails, engagement farming for free, it’s always been a cycle for FromSoft games especially since Sekiro, Sekiro got destroyed for like 2 years because it was an “unfair” game somehow, but then people looked back fondly about it now lol & they were completely wrong about it. Armored Core 6 got destroyed to the point FromSoft was pressured to nerf the 1st main boss (Balteus) & many others sadly, Balteus is like the Margit of AC6, it’s really a bad trend where people feel entitled to completing any game without putting much thought & effort. It’s what separates FromSoft games from the rest, is that you have to be earnest & try hard lol.

@GredGlintstone День назад

There's always going to be contrarians. And it's totally natural for people to see the universal acclaim that these games get and say, "well, I don't think they're that good." There's nothing inherently wrong with making a video about that. But when that becomes the norm is when it becomes a problem. Especially when the other side of the argument starts getting shut down.

@HeyTarnished День назад

@@GredGlintstone OMG thank you for your reply, I know I have written way better & more detailed replies dissecting this matter in other videos like Loopine's videos, but I'm sorry for this one, it felt like I was just blabbering a bit with my inner thoughts, but yeah I do agree, there should be video game criticism, that goes for Elden Ring as well (my best game of all time), I myself have a bunch of criticisms about it, but man the way/approach these critique videos come off is very off-putting & they really gravitate towards making generalized-objective-sounding statements a lot, and then they tell you "subjectivity is implied"...lol, Feeble King keeps yoinking the same talking points & principles from Joseph as if he's Joseph's alt account, I hate it when there's misinformation (and even DISinformation), but then they label that "an opinion", and it's blatantly wrong lol. I'm glad your video exists, it made me happier, thank you again. (Gonna finish watching it!)

@GredGlintstone День назад

@@HeyTarnished Not at all! I think you articulated your points well. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Hope you enjoy the rest of the vid :)

@MoreLoreThenThereSeems 6 часов назад

I like the Elden ring better the Shadow the colossus, BUT, SotC has my FAVOURITE open World out of any game and it’s not even close. SotC’s open world is probably the emptiest open world I’ve ever seen, and I love it. I say this because I never hear anybody talk about the openness being a positive, the space in between. It’s good stuff.

@sisterofquelaag 18 часов назад

I felt so bad for the people who worked on this game for god knows how long when I was listening to Joseph Anderson once again rip a game to shreds (even though he supposedly loved it) just because he stubbornly refuses to change anything about the way he plays games. Of course rewards are going to seem boring to you if you only use the starting broadsword or whatever, if you refuse to craft stuff, if you refuse to try any build other than a strength build, if you refuse to experiment with spells/incantations, if you refuse to try out any talisman other than damage increase/negation ones.

@user-pn4px5lr8w 13 часов назад

@@sisterofquelaag calling it lazy is especially venomous on Feeble's part given game design is not an easy job at all. It's a very thankless job, and at times the developer is given the least amount of sympathy, or, at times, outright scorn because of the decision of those higher up in the chain of command. It took years with a team of around 300 people to develop Elden Ring, because it is gruelling work. For someone who just picks it up, plays it, it's absolutely dumbfounding for that person to then say it is lazy. There are myriad factors for how the end product turns out the way it does.

@sisterofquelaag 12 часов назад

@@user-pn4px5lr8w Exactly! Like, there's a lot of valid criticisms to make about ER and the DLC (even for those of us that loved it), but lazy design is most definitely NOT one of them.

@JoseViktor4099 11 часов назад

Calling any dev "lazy" is still the most pretentious nothing burger anyone an say, on a industry where crunch and dev stress is what it is used to. Even devs that made shitty games were victims of this, and surprise surprise, not even Elden Ring was safed from crunch. But of course, is easier to call lazy everything I dont like without the consideration that the games im criticising aren´t made by a f*cking AI yet and made by humans instead, and give an idea I made up on 10 seconds that is very likely to be worse.

@pphaver871 7 часов назад

You are dismissing his criticism. His experience and take are valid, and so is yours.

@GredGlintstone 3 часа назад

His criticism is absolutely valid. My issue is his style of critique, his perception of his role as a critic, and the "toxic positivity" thing. He is not wrong for having opinions. He's absolutely allowed to dislike the things he dislikes. Same goes for anyone else.

@ReyneingDown День назад

Absolute banger of a critique - keen to see the next!

@GredGlintstone День назад

Thanks, mate!

@LeoKanoha 21 час назад

If anderson&feeble's braindead takes were what it took to get this video, then all the aneurysms that they gave me was worth it. Beautiful work that made me love the game even more, and as all great works of art it says somethig more about real life, hardships and perservirance.

@GredGlintstone 20 часов назад

Really appreciate that. Glad they brought you here, too.

@entroponetics День назад

Biggest problem, in my eyes, is that people are in a race to get their videos out first in order to harvest the most views from it (because these things have diminishing returns), instead of letting themselves actually sit for a while with whatever media it is they're critiquing (this is NOT limited to games, by the way; it's even worse in music criticism, which I am far more familiar with) and take the time necessary to properly absorb it. This is pretty much inevitable, given the incentive structure of a platform like RU-vid, unfortunately. edit: Just reached the point of the video where you said basically this. lol

@GredGlintstone День назад

Yeah, for sure. I make this point in the Gamer Rage video. It's the same problem streamers have. They need to rush through the game so they can start the next game and keep the content pumping.

@entroponetics День назад

@@GredGlintstone Yup. Extremely bad media environment overall. But your videos are definitely an exception. Voices like yours and Loopine's are sorely needed as a counterweight. Keep up the great work!

@GredGlintstone День назад

Thanks, dude. Happy to help contribute to the other side of the debate.

@ElijahFink 21 час назад

Also you're wrong about Nietszche, he wasn't a nihilist, he hated nihilism, his great life-long project was articulating the catastrophe that was nihilism in 19th Century Europe. He believed profoundly that life was and is meaningful, and that we have almost a moral duty to ourselves to be true to ourselves, so that our loves could be meaningful. Your whole idea about him believing life was innately meaningless and that it becomes meaningful in self-overcoming is totally anathema, really, to what nietszche articulated throughout his works. I recommend reading anything from his middle period, eg the gay science, to get a better idea of what he really believed. You're sort of correct when you say that Nietszche said that suffering creates meaning, but what he tended to say was actually that it made us more *interesting*. Nietszche believed that self-inflicted suffering was a major phase in the history of our psychological development, and associated it with Christianity. The geneaology of morality expounds on this. Fun video, I'm glad you made it, it certainly made my chores more enjoyable. Sorry to jump down your throat, but i gotta protect my dude against misrepresentation.

@GredGlintstone 21 час назад

It seems you're absolutely correct and I've fallen prey to what looks like a pretty common misconception about the man. I was basing my argument on an interpretation that is very likely flawed. That being said, I still think my point in this section stands because: a) Feeble still misquoted the man and didn't provide his sources. b) My interpretation (while shallow and likely inaccurate to Nietzsche's authorial intent) is still a good analogy for the game. I do appreciate you bringing it to my attention. I'll do more reading on Nietzsche. He's an interesting dude.

@ElijahFink 21 час назад

Heheh I'm a nietszche stan, i have no issue with your broader point at all lol

@ElijahFink 21 час назад

@GredGlintstone ❤

@GredGlintstone 19 часов назад

Really do appreciate the clarification. I'll put something in the pinned comment when I get a chance to get my facts straight and clear it up.

@studiogimli7645 13 часов назад

i like his piano stuff