@@SomethingelseentirelydifferentProbably not, his videos from four years ago have the same voice with worse mic quality. It certainly wasn’t that convincing and accessible in 2020.
It was probably just average. From the descriptions ive heard the fault fo the pilot was that it was made for book readers. So if you didnt read the books, its a bit of a convoluted mess. If youre a book reader, its understandable. Its probably average at best. But its a pilot, so it needed to sell the show and thus they didnt get a bite with it so they had to lie and pretend like it was a plane crash and cry for a second chance and promise a VASTLY different take with much improvement. The result was a good pilot but it was still just average. It was "average quality standards" but because fantasy medieval projects are usually shit, it was seen as amazing. Otherwise, its ok. @@joslinnick
Its around. I coulda sworn I’ve seen it. There are some big casting changes mainly Dany. She was first played by the girl who played Gienivere in that one season Camelot show they did with Jamie C Boyer… Its just kind of boring otherwise not that different.
"Jon Baratheon" and "Mark Andy" were kind of funny, but the funniest part was when called Bran "Bronn". Oh and "Sandor Claigan" was pretty funny too :)
I'm impressed with this guy's inability to pronounce any names correctly. At first it was annoying, but by the end I was rooting for him, hoping he could butcher just a few more names. I wasn't dissapointed!
People always act as though it was amazing that D&D knew the answer about Jon Snow's mother. Most fans already knew that. All they had to do was look at a few fan forums before the interview. Knowing the correct answer was no great feat.
You think they only learnt the answer to one question? As if they knew that was the only thing George would ask. George could have asked ANYTHING, not that I like D&D but they surely memorised more than one fact about the story.
@@frenchy2097that's not the point, the point is that the one question they were asked was a huge softball. it was literally common knowledge among fans. all they had to do was read the books. not memorize anything. ya know, the bare minimum.
@@scasino9358 It's clearly an obvious question, but it doesn't demonstrate the extent of their knowledge - if anything they should have been grilled harder by George. We don't know if that's the only answer they knew and just got lucky with the question George asked but I doubt they went into a meeting with the writer of a book series without doing their research. Would you go to a job interview without looking up the company first?
Yeah, but change the names to sound like the narration on this video. So the sucker superfans will think it's something new! (__insert evil laugh here__)
Gotta think, media being available in some form is the status quo of most of pop culture (with exceptions like video games and silent movies). Lost media should make us grateful for how much we do create and archive as a species :)
Sadly something like that WILL NEVER happen for way to many reasons to list. Now from a certain point forward this is a little more of an attainable goal to achieve happening. Sadly there WILL ALWAYS be some type of media that gets lost never to be found again.
I wish they hadn’t changed Lady Stark’s attitude. I despised her in the books for how she treated Jon and for pushing Ned to accept the King’s offer. The show definitely made her more sympathetic, but it’s a lie. That’s not the real Catelyn.
It’s kinda annoying how significantly they altered the Tully’s, well except Lysa I guess, she’s equally a nutter. Edmure is a brave man and cares deeply about his people, not an incompetent fool they make him out to be. And obviously Cat’s just not a good person and is shockingly incompetent. I think the show even had a scene where she acts remorseful of her treatment of Jon, that’s not her. Book Cat stayed hating Jon and never tried to pretend otherwise, even contesting Robb’s wish to name him his heir after all his siblings aside from Sansa are believed dead. She even tried to imply one day Jon would kill all Robb’s kids and usurp their land smh.
They made her more sympathetic to make the red wedding a bigger shock, alongside other alterations like having Jeyne/Talisa in the wedding with a child, and they succeeded.
@@MA-rf6buI had only watched the show and I adored catelyn. I’m reading books now and she’s completely different so it’s a shame they changed her but at the same time her version in the show was iconic
at least we can be sure they won't reuse the master tapes as before so there's always a chance it will get released on some anniversary or by accident/hacking
It was reported that one of the main reasons why the finale failed was because both show runners rushed everything to quickly move over to work on their Star Wars project with Disney that got canned because Season 8 was bad. This also would have some weight as Martin himself said he was pushing for 2 more seasons.
It’s actually amazing and somehow more hurtful to hear the great lengths D&D went to to get this project made. Only to completely butcher the last 4 seasons, culminating in an entirely inedible Final season. They lied, schemed, and begged their way to this opportunity and then squandered it the minute something “better” came along. Textbook example of success going to your head. Before GoT they were less than nobodies. After some success they rush the last season to start at Disney. Now they don’t work anywhere cus no one will touch them with a 10 foot pole. Hubris at its mf finest.
Heard about this but never seen some go into detail on the subject Also are you gonna cover lost or unproduced toys like transformers original unicron prototype in the 80’s
i watched game of thrones for the first time over summer 2020 and it instantly became my favorite show, but i haven't looked much into the production of it so i had no idea about this even though i also love lost media. i can't imagine anyone else playing the characters but i'm now really interested in the missing scenes, especially the death of jon arryn
@@latviandragon2718 I remember the band posting on social media at the time that they performed two songs for the pilot - one was Ballade de Mercy, and I can't remember the other. But it was another of their own songs.
If you do another video on RU-vid/internet lost media, the Alltime Conspiracies channel had some weirdo rights issues, and suddenly all of their massive catalog of videos went private. The creators have a new independent channel they still upload on, but they aren’t allowed to repost their old videos.
@@diegolorente8435 the Alltime network owned all their videos and decided that their constantly demonetized content was a liability and shut the whole thing down.
I imagine if one watched the lost pilot it wouldn't be perceived as bad as it originally did because the things that made the pilot confusing are known now. For example, not making it clear that the Lannisters are siblings doesn't matter, as we all know that they're siblings. So you wouldn't pick that up as a criticism.
Even years ago I could tell the shot fo Ned and his brother at the dinner was from a very different shoot. Ned's hair looks totally different in that scene.
The Daenerys scenes were filmed in Malta, not Marooco. I wisited Malta a few years ago and so many locals were showing me photos of them with the cast.
The non-consensual wedding night scene was crazy difficult to watch, but it makes sense in the story. What comes across as really weird was how she fell in love with him after. And so quickly.
@@mariaf3943 I see what you’re saying. The two things conflict. I guess I worded what I typed in a weird way. As far as what the TV show did with the story, the wedding night seems realistic. Leaving the books aside, her being forced to marry this complete stranger whose culture is that the men just take the women, he wants her sexually and she didn’t consent to anything so far, unfortunately, a non-consensual situation is very likely and happened. Then there was another one depicted, too. The whole thing is a mess because of the show and books handling that situation so differently. I hope that made sense.
The lighting for the Battle of Winterfell was perfect. It was supposed to be dark and confusing. It was symbolic of the coming doom of men. It also evoked a bleak winter night, which I appreciated having been born and raised in them. That said, some better efforts could have been put into framing the shots more strategically for viewers and to differentiate the mass of bodies.
Wow why I love looking at the back story success is a shared dream of like minded ppl! Beautiful story! Now they literally have us addicted to this story
No shade on Emelia Clark, but I think she was likely originally cast, for Her looks. Tamsin is also gorgeous, but Emilia had this youthful look to her, which was great for the character, as it lent to the growth of the character, too, IMO. I have heard people say she's not the best actor, but I've only seen her in GoT, and I thought she did a great job with the role.
As someone who has filmed at Doune. It was a shame that Scotland didn't get some of the benefits of a major production filmed here. But it did give our cousins over the Irish sea a chance to shine too. We got Outlander later. 😁
In the books Danaerys has to wear a hat that looks like rabbit ears in order to gain acceptance as queen by the people of Mereen that was completely left out that would have been funny to see
Such a mistake to scrap the giant headdress of G.R.R Martin. It adds to the medieval otherworldly style, like Olenna's wimple, especially at a time when rich people showed their wealth through elaborate fabric.
People hate D&D and act as if they have no talent. They gave us this show. The ending was rushed - but it doesn’t take away from the greatest part of the show. Seriously people by act like they should be exiled…it is just a tv show at the end of the day.
What you’re missing is they gave two unknown screenwriters the go ahead only because George Martin greenlighted their use of his IP which other studios tried to obtain….
It's fascinating to me that every single scrap of a mention of GoT is plagued with commenters like this. MOVE. ON. D&D had their share of fuck ups but it was not just two people responsible for the decline of the series. D&D are not the reason there is war, cancer, and famine in the world. Just pretend the last two seasons are not canon or something. Maybe go outside and touch the grass. Watch Hot D. Do anything besides saying the same thing over and over for nigh on 5 - repeat: FIVE - years.
I picked out the scenes right away when my wife made me watch the first episode. Ned and Benjns hair is so much shorter. And I said to her what did they forget to put there wigs on for these scenes🤣. After that episode I was hooked. I went out and bought all the books. I literally was reading the first book when the Red wedding episode aired. And i saw the shows version before I read it. It blew me away. And spoiled it for me at the same time.
Imagine an alternative reality where this pilot airs and instead of a cultural phenomenon it is a niche fantasy series. Martin does not get sidetracked because there are fewer distractions. A Dream of Spring has been out for 2 years, and the TV adaptation is just now wrapping up in its 12th season. There were no wars in Ukraine or Palestine. In fact, there is world peace for the rest of time because ADoS resolved all conflict. There is no death. All will return to the Erdtree… wait
@@srdjanrikic978 Main creator got angry no one plays anything else he's made, so he removed it from being downloadable. But the other staff on it are making it again but it's called something else now.
@@srdjanrikic978 Yeah plus we have videos of it so at least we know stuff about it. The new version of it is called "Chaos Awakens" I believe, and is being made to be played in newer versions.
If D&D hadn't rushed their master pieces they would have been regarded as legends instead their known as the people who ruined GOT not the ones who brought it to us in the first place
I think its a lost cause to hope to watch the original pilot, the same way its hopeless that we will ever see the first cut of Star War before it was heavily reedited by Lucas.
Just some constructive criticism: As a longtime ASOIAF fan, hearing you misprounance character names, relationships, and actor/actresses names is like nails on a chalk board. For example: Lord Rickard Stark and Brandon Stark are Eddard Starks father and brother respectfully, they are not his two brothers. And Caitlin Stark is pronounced Cat-lynn not Kate-Lynn. Robert Baratheon was played by Mark Addy not Addley and the name of the actress who played Cercei Lannister is Lena Headey (Heedee) not Head-ee. Other than that some really good stuff here! Cheers!
With a few exceptions (*cough, cough* final season *cough*) GoT is a truly great experience. I don’t think that the “trial shoot” of the pilot will bring anything of benefit (except maybe George in the hat), so I can live without this one. Maybe some clever editing could use some more of the material in some future extended versions of some episodes, but I do not doubt that it was a good choice to scrap it. To still move ahead with the show after 90% having had to be scrapped is amazing and probably one of the greatest deeds a production company has done for the fantasy genre since that time Peter Jackson was allowed to make three films…
All the scenes they initially shot looked out of a prono or a not well done 80s fantasy film. The newer iterations kept the good things about the style in 80s fantasy, while also making everything more modern, with how they chose shots, lighting, character designs, and the like. The older scenes look shot in plain lighting. Stone looked grey and dusty. Heck a lot of shots in fantasy films before that time had more atmosphere
Game Of Thrones ended in S6! Seasons 7 & 8 were an abomination to what the show was beforehand. Even tho it changed along in S5, it was still good. So I’m just waiting for the TWOW and ADOS to conclude this story. But I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting…….😫
towards the end you say that season 8 was rushed, which I agree 200% but it is disgusting to realize that we even had to wait 2 years for a rushed finale....
I have it on rerun for years now, looking deeply into the riddles that make this show so great. You must watch all 8 seasons for the complete story. "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention". And the fact that S8 ran out of money was the problem all along. From the beginning it was too expensive, yet deemed of such excellence that they put every penny they could into it. Every scene, every episode, every season follows the same equation, a comet splits in 2 passing through the sun on return orbit, with one impacting a small moon eclipsing the sun, utterly destroying it and causing it to fall to Planetos in mountain, boulder, stone, dagger, shards and needle sized, massively toxic meteorites. Chaos reigns in the heavens and on Planetos. This is a classic riddle and it has gone so far over most folks head that it ought to enjoy a long life of critique that continues to entirely miss the point, while constantly pulling new viewers and readers to itself, due it's extreme excellence of construction. And did anyone think perhaps the writer of this podcast might be handicapped and using something to make this video that writes what he says for him, thereby the massive spelling errors? What he has to say is valid. No need to point out his flaws. *munching popcorn* some folks have the most amazing comments to make about ASOIAF and GOT/HBO.
I breathe just fine brother, and choose what I love. I'd give anything to talk to GRR Martin for a while. He's written the best story I've ever read and I'm a heavy reader all my life. You do you. I'm fine ;D @@BlowGlass
It wasn't a budget issue, HBO gave them a blank check, but d and d were done. Idk where you got most of your information but it's mostly blatantly wrong.
@@arielsclamshellbra I doubt it ariel. I doubt you know any more or less than I. I do know they ran out of money at the end and couldn't do one more thing and that was straight from D&D. D&D's new project has so many ex producers with big $$ it shouldn't have that problem. Bigger problem is they are not great at writing dialogue, but 3 Body Problem is another huge undertaking so I hope it goes well for them. It will make or break them now.
As soon as D & D were given free rein i.e. ~season 5 onwards the cracks started to show. I think the downfall started at the end of season 5 and by mid-season 6 they'd ruined 50% if not more of the main characters (john snow, Tyrion, Brienne, Arya, Little finger etc etc etc.). I don't think it was a 'learning experience' I suspect it just allowed HBO and GRRM to know that D & D are great at spectacle but crap on character development, plot, lighting (lol) etc. GRRM is partly to blame as well, once D & D ran out of books, they had obviously been given a skeleton of the major plotpoints because that's literally all you had from there on in - major plotpoints. There was zero buildup, zero character archs, zero continuity, GRRM has even said he envisioned it going on for 12+ seasons and I'm sure HBO would have been on board, it's a shame D & D didn't step aside if their heart wasn't in it. Their legacy will always be the fact that they ruined potentially the greatest TV show of all time.
Speaking of Season 8, I wish HBO would rehire new directors and bring back all the original actors and reshoot the whole damn season. Lol. It's so sad with what we ended up with.
They should have kept all the book accurateness and just wrote, shot, and directed them better. All of the unaired pilot is directly from the first chapters of AGOT, and I would have preferred it.
