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The Lotus Turbo Esprit is Peak '80s Magnificence 

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@restyles1
@restyles1 2 года назад
I was lucky enough to work in powetrain engineering at Lotus and worked on the prototype Essex cars in 1980. Even got to take them to Monaco GP and the Le Mans 24 hours to show off the car. Well someone had to do it ! Great days fondly remembered. Good honest review.
@TwinCam
@TwinCam 2 года назад
Ah fantastic! You must have some amazing stories!
@restyles1
@restyles1 2 года назад
@@TwinCam I could write a book ! Great days.
@rkstreeter
@rkstreeter 2 месяца назад
​@@restyles1lucky man!!
@LOTPOR0402
@LOTPOR0402 2 года назад
One of the most iconic shapes ever made
@brandbryce
@brandbryce 2 года назад
true that
@fredfuller2281
@fredfuller2281 Год назад
the true Wedge car!!
@jackthehatphoto
@jackthehatphoto 2 года назад
I bought one of these cars a month ago. It really is an incredible car. Surprisingly fast, even by today's standards. Mine has ashtrays in each door, so not sure why this example doesn't. As with all low production cars, each one tends to be different somehow.
@TwinCam
@TwinCam 2 года назад
After I filmed the video, I found that only certain model years were given the ash trays!
@phuketexplorer
@phuketexplorer 2 года назад
Don't park it outside on a frosty night, else you'll snap the door handles in half in the morning! 😄
@jackthehatphoto
@jackthehatphoto 2 года назад
@@phuketexplorer Thanks for the warning, although my car will NEVER be parked outside at night, LOL.
@ryszardwitek2563
@ryszardwitek2563 2 года назад
@@jackthehatphoto what year is it? My 81 has the ashtrays on the seals not the doors, let's keep these things going 💪
@jackthehatphoto
@jackthehatphoto 2 года назад
@@ryszardwitek2563 Mine's an 84. And yes, this car is going to survive longer then me (which is quite a sobering thought)
@joshuaday-ou1qv
@joshuaday-ou1qv Год назад
My absolute dream car ! The one from the bond movie with the skis on the back .. I remember as a kid watching the movie over and over because of the car 😊 maybe one day .. Never say Never 😊
@Rich.Aardvark
@Rich.Aardvark 2 года назад
Nice, still looks good 40years later
@miles-thesleeper-monroe8466
Yes. What an absolute beauty. Sophisticated lamborghini
@RGChandler
@RGChandler Год назад
9:17 the iconic Morris Marina door handle.
@cjbstevens7596
@cjbstevens7596 2 года назад
Great video to enjoy with my morning cuppa 👍.
@erikk1820
@erikk1820 Год назад
I still remember the first picture of a turbo. It was the dark blue Essex in Car magazine. Been in love ever since.
@thecheapshot1065
@thecheapshot1065 Год назад
It was the early 90s when I first encountered one of these cars in a parking lot. That was when I first realized that super cars were super tiny.
@TwinCam
@TwinCam Год назад
Small cars are always faster!
@MrJoeltrain
@MrJoeltrain 2 года назад
Even if I won the lottery for a billion, the esprit is top of my list. I'd like the V8. I'd rather have this than any other supercar at any price. Love it 💓💓💓💓
@soyounoat
@soyounoat Год назад
Excellent presentation for this car, which I knew little about. There were not many of these in the US, but nowI wish there were.
@johnmills2134
@johnmills2134 2 года назад
As a wedge that thing puts my 91 Prelude to shame. You do great reviews, merci.
@johnmarsh2078
@johnmarsh2078 2 года назад
The Lotus backbone chassis was a great idea. I remember a friend who owned an Elan telling me so, most enthusiastically. I think he may have instantly changed his mind a few months later but couldn't tell me about it. A Rover 90 T-Boned his Elan and while the sills and doors were like a quaile's egg wrapped in baco-foil the chassis was unyieldingly strong and he ended up as thin as Steak Canadienne squashed between it and the tank-like Auntie Rover. I wasn't a fan of the Elan etc, especially as I did recovery work for a local garage and had to retrieve the wreck.
@GSimpsonOAM
@GSimpsonOAM Год назад
The Esprit has a steel beam in front & behind the passengers. In the doors, there are substantial side intrusion beams that link them together.
@johnmarsh2078
@johnmarsh2078 Год назад
@@GSimpsonOAM That's progress for you. Lotus must have seen photos of what reamined of the Elan!
@iconicetiquette4546
@iconicetiquette4546 2 года назад
Wow when it came out of the water in the film Spy who loved me memories that don’t fade 😊
@clangerbasher
@clangerbasher Год назад
I remember for a while Citroen for a rally championship across their on the Continent had an AX with an engine that featured both supercharging and turbocharging to boost the power of the modest 1.2 capacity.
@martinclapton2724
@martinclapton2724 2 года назад
Mike Kimberley was a director at Lotus Hethel and was about 6ft 5 inches tall ( I’m lead to believe ) wonder how he got on sitting in the Esprit. In fact I wonder how I would get on at 5ft 3 !!
@jackthehatphoto
@jackthehatphoto 2 года назад
I am 6ft 4" and weigh 16 stone. I bought a 1984 Turbo Esprit a month ago. It's definitely a tight fit but the cars with the optional removable glass roof give an extra couple of inches of headroom which is essential for me. I wouldn't like to drive it long distance but it's perfectly usable and a huge amount of fun for occasional trips out 🙂
@gergatron7000
@gergatron7000 2 года назад
Test Drive (the game) made me fall in love with the Esprit
@MrRicardo11
@MrRicardo11 2 года назад
Love the Lotus Esprit. All models and especially the V8s
@NotJanine777
@NotJanine777 Год назад
I remember when I was a kid, one of our neighbours, a market trader, bought exactly this car - a brand new Esprit Turbo in silver blue - it looked amazing - I remember seeing his hot wife driving around in it - they both looked amazing - they complimented each other perfectly 😊
@brucegame1458
@brucegame1458 Год назад
lotus was always supercar to me they're just as cool i would like to see a review of the lotus europa , maserati bora , and the classic english sports car the MGB !
@NABZ028
@NABZ028 2 года назад
I like this car so much
@shankarbalan3813
@shankarbalan3813 2 года назад
A superb car. Immortalised in the wonderful Bond film, The Spy who loved me
@bmuns6445
@bmuns6445 8 месяцев назад
Gorgeous car. Especially with gold bbs wheels. I’d put a 300hp VW golf engine with big turbo and VW DSG transmission in it - if I won the lottery.
@outtabubblegum7034
@outtabubblegum7034 Год назад
DRIVE THE DAMN THING!!
@ingvargissurarson4671
@ingvargissurarson4671 2 года назад
Super cool cars. A bit tight to get in but fits like a glove when in the seat. (At least for a man of my size) No way to get out of it with any dignaty though. Loads of turbolag so keep the revs up and it´s a shitload of fun, specially around corners. But be carefull as it will fight you and you might end up rear end first somewhere you dont want to be. Can be a bit of challange to work on but if you know your way around it, it´s fairly simple. Electrics are a bit of a mess though but with propper maintainance and care it´wont take much to keep those propperly up and running. One of the most fun cars I´ve driven. Absolutely love it.
@neilmustow368
@neilmustow368 2 года назад
Classic the Lotus Esprit Giugiaro design the wedge shape what I grew up with as a petrolhead kid in the 70's and 80's😎😎😎😎
@peekaboo4390
@peekaboo4390 Год назад
Beautiful.
@04dram04
@04dram04 2 года назад
I was stunned to find out just how light these first gen Esprits are. Staggering differnce in weight from the Countach
@pauloguerra391
@pauloguerra391 Год назад
It's a Lotus. Always light as the great Colin Chapman liked!
@35dononeill
@35dononeill 2 года назад
I think that the chassis for the Espirit was used for the Delorean
@5amH45lam
@5amH45lam 2 года назад
Didn't know that about the dummy spoiler. Whatever happened to the ethos, _'add lightness'??_
@lancelotkillz
@lancelotkillz Год назад
Screams 80s and I fucking love it
@Yorkshiremadmick
@Yorkshiremadmick 2 года назад
You really must try and get your hand on the V8 Espirt Good Review
@CinimodNorton
@CinimodNorton Год назад
Would have loved to own one but, at 6'6" I doubt I could drive it safely.
@tazanteflight8670
@tazanteflight8670 2 года назад
A footnote to the "Esprit could compete back then" was the Euro law of 155mph max. The esprit maxed out at 155 because of horsepower, it had nothing left. A 308, by comparison can probably do 180 without a governor.
@TwinCam
@TwinCam 2 года назад
There’s no such thing as a European 155 mph law. It’s merely a gentlemen’s agreement between German manufacturers that’s not strongly adhered to. Ferrari never had a part in it.
@tazanteflight8670
@tazanteflight8670 2 года назад
@@TwinCam 99% of euro cars have a 155mph governor. It absolutely was part of the lotus story.
@brianiswrong
@brianiswrong 2 года назад
I believe mercedes ,bmw and audi had a gentleman's agreement, I think porsche didn't join in. It wasn't a ' law' in Europe as in Britain cars were as fast as the makes could make them (now if that was 155) how convenient, I never remember ferrari or lambo joining in either.
@TwinCam
@TwinCam 2 года назад
@@brianiswrong Indeed. I didn't want to name companies in particular because I'd probably have forgotten some. Certainly, no supercars have ever been limited to 155, German or not.
@TwinCam
@TwinCam 2 года назад
@@tazanteflight8670 They do not. The 308, as you mentioned, isn't limited to 155. The top speed is 157, which would break such a 'law' if there was one.
@MrGroovy87
@MrGroovy87 2 года назад
The best design for Lotus I wish it had a 3 stroke wheel I hate the one with 2 like the new corvette for ex
@Brian-uy2tj
@Brian-uy2tj Год назад
The Esprit was a great looking car and still is a great looking car. I'd rather have a Lotus than a Ferrari.
@publicprofilename4273
@publicprofilename4273 Год назад
ello airry! associating with muggles are we? I am glad to see you get a post hallow's gig though. lol, I'm absolutely and totally nonsarcastically sure I'm the only one that's associated you with that particular fictionlal charecter, and I shall convince myself it wasn't even dickish of me. Yup! Didn't work, I'm sorry couldn't resist lol
@TwinCam
@TwinCam Год назад
What on Earth are you on about?
@nickblacksoul4318
@nickblacksoul4318 2 года назад
Yes the millimeters are the same as the marina but with out the km only mile
@craigorford9932
@craigorford9932 2 года назад
Lovely car would love to own one,😊😊😊you need to be on Tv on 5th gear or top gear
@philjamieson5572
@philjamieson5572 2 года назад
Pretty.
@Greg_Chase
@Greg_Chase Год назад
Try getting stuck with a really bad Lotus dealership. I'm on my 3rd Lotus, all bought brand new from different dealers as I moved to different states in the U.S., and I'm quitting the brand due to poor service at this local one. It's a shame, It's been a multi-year nice run. The product is good, but if you end up with a very disappointing dealership, there's not another one in town. Lesson learned. Next car is going to be a brand where there are 5 dealers in proximity so that if the service operation is poor, you have 4 other options nearby. I'm thinking Chevrolet. Really bummed about it. But you cannot reach into the leadership of a dealer and somehow make them treat customers well if they don't already know how. As we all know, the customer-facing folks at any dealership (can!) create future business, but if they are treating customers poorly, THEY in turn are probably being treated poorly by their leadership.
@Ruralthailandliving
@Ruralthailandliving Год назад
There's a similar lotus on my street here in Bangkok that's literally like a barn (old garage) and the guy wants 12,000 for it it's orange color I'll do a RU-vid check it out and tell me what you think I know nothing this car but I think for $12,000 is worth it
@schmutzfabrikag5304
@schmutzfabrikag5304 2 года назад
Bond, James Bond
@simmadpaul2880
@simmadpaul2880 Год назад
I hate Lotus. I really detest this car manufacturer. Why? I'm 6'5" and I can't fit into any of them. Damn you Chapman. ;)
@jimmyb4982
@jimmyb4982 3 месяца назад
You need some kind of professional help if you don't find this car stunning.
@HesseJamez
@HesseJamez Год назад
Easy to drive ...as long as you're shorter than 6ft -:)😄
@tomdigby4463
@tomdigby4463 2 года назад
Good video- best of luck with your journey as a provider of this sort of content - this video does seem to have been…. How do I say this kindly…. (Heavily influenced) by Jayemms content 6 years ago on the Esprit V8
@TwinCam
@TwinCam 2 года назад
Thanks Tom, but I can’t say I’ve ever seen that video. If something’s factual, anywhere will have natural overlap. I’m afraid you’re making connections that aren’t there.
@tomdigby4463
@tomdigby4463 2 года назад
@@TwinCam fair enough mate - I enjoy your content and wish your channel all the very best - I look forward to your next video 👍
@shinigami117s8
@shinigami117s8 2 года назад
Blue cheese
@iaia5368
@iaia5368 Год назад
DELOReAN WINS
@TwinCam
@TwinCam Год назад
Eh?
@kevinbarry71
@kevinbarry71 2 года назад
Pretty much identical structure to what underpins the DeLorean
@MrVorpalsword
@MrVorpalsword Год назад
always enjoy your videos .... but then you came up with the word 'rouched'? .... you're now stratospherical ..... I cannot even spell it.
@InTeCredo
@InTeCredo 2 года назад
I was 18 when I sat in the Esprit at the sales centre a long time ago. The whole experience of being elated to be in a marvellous British sports car turned nightmarish as soon as I got in the car. Being 6 feet 8 inches tall, I didn't realise that I had no wriggling room left when my right leg got stuck between the steering wheel and centre console. The steering wheel was locked, and the seat had been moved as far back as it could. The sales representative didn't believe me until he saw the unique problem and laughed. The only way to free me was to unlock the steering wheel, but my leg more or less covered the ignition lock. A technician was called to remove the steering wheel as to free my leg up. Pity, I couldn't get to drive Esprit...
@neilgibbons2532
@neilgibbons2532 2 года назад
How embarrassing 🤣😂🙆
@nigelb6262
@nigelb6262 2 года назад
Most cars are not made for 6 foot 8 people, as there aren't many that tall.
@totalrobot
@totalrobot 2 года назад
Yeah man everyone else your size drives trucks.
@jamesjackson3666
@jamesjackson3666 Год назад
@@nigelb6262 in other breaking news ,salt is salty,and suger is sweet,tune in tomorrow for more fun facts 😆
@jeromewagschal9485
@jeromewagschal9485 Год назад
I'm sure there must be a few sportscars you could fit in and be comfortable...Not the Lotus Esprit though...
@iddles2o
@iddles2o 2 года назад
My Dad had an early Turbo Esprit in white with red stripes and it was awesome! A little unreliable, but so much fun and as a 15 year old I loved it, as did he. He followed it with an S2 naturally aspirated Esprit in red, which while fantastic, just not as cool as the Turbo. Loved the interior too!
@plym1969
@plym1969 2 года назад
These were very exciting to see in the 80's. A real 'wow' car. Great review as always Ed! 🙂
@grayfool
@grayfool 2 года назад
Always wanted one. Never been brave enough. Still one of the best looking British cars ever. Great video Ed.
@RobertNES816
@RobertNES816 2 года назад
These cars have such a unique sound for a 4 cylinder. The design is also iconic, so 80's but so amazing as well. These cars look even better in person.
@davidgibson4840
@davidgibson4840 2 года назад
Tv companies should really pick you up.you would make a great car show presenter .
@richardbean1203
@richardbean1203 2 года назад
First class review of a fabulous car that gives me goosebumps just looking at it. What a lovely way to start my weekend. Very well done!
@mcm95403
@mcm95403 Год назад
One thing about the Esprit - you KNOW what it is when you see it, unlike most cars today. Awesome styling!
@2loudspeakers
@2loudspeakers 2 года назад
Another great video. Great dialogue. I really enjoyed that. The Esprit was always my childhood poster car.
@pezzonovante888
@pezzonovante888 2 года назад
Well done review. The presenter has a good feel for these types of cars. Hopefully he can gain the cred to start getting these cars on the road.
@mattw8332
@mattw8332 2 года назад
I'm resident in Norfolk around 20 miles away from the Lotus factory. I actually did a bit of temp work for Lotus in the summer. Based at a satellite location but I had to visit Hethel frequently. There is an early 1980s Esprit (series 1?) on display at one of their buildings which looks great. My favourite Lotus is the wedge-tastic Elite "Estate" but I love this Esprit Turbo in all it's angular glory.
@billislois
@billislois 4 месяца назад
Such a beautiful car is timeless.
@South4153
@South4153 2 года назад
Do you think you will ever get your hands on a DeTomaso? Pantera would be nice but a Mangusta…. sheesh
@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627
@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627 2 года назад
Yup the best looking lotus
@peterfinucane8122
@peterfinucane8122 2 года назад
The Esprit was twice a Bond car.
@joevarga5982
@joevarga5982 Год назад
He said that.
@anthonystevens8683
@anthonystevens8683 2 года назад
I remember when these first came out joining the Elite (with all the F1 winners badges in no particular order if I recall) and Eclat. Seeing its starring role in "The Spy Who Loved Me" was the icing on the cake. Another cracking video Ed, once again well done.
@davidgibson4840
@davidgibson4840 2 года назад
Hence the ..Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious . LOTUS name😄
@Suprahampton
@Suprahampton 2 года назад
The Spy who loved me had an S1 Esprit, For your eyes only had the S3 Turbo
@danielfish9928
@danielfish9928 Год назад
@@davidgibson4840 I prefer Lots Of Thrills Usually Stellar when referring to my 1985 Esprit
@yrasphong
@yrasphong 2 года назад
I always wanted one
@andyrobertshaw9120
@andyrobertshaw9120 2 года назад
Great video again. The Lotus Esprit costing around 90% of the Ferrari. I remember Ed China working on an Esprit, and it was rather a struggle for him to fit into!
@my1vice
@my1vice Год назад
70's icon, okay.... But '80's? Nah.... Not even a cameo in Miami Vice (that I recall).....
@S-Ltd1000
@S-Ltd1000 2 года назад
I remember sitting in an S1 Esprit at the London motor show on its release and trying to convince my dad to get one. Sadly it never happened.☹️
@BackSeatHump
@BackSeatHump 7 месяцев назад
What I most certainly do not like are the haphazard pleats in the leather-clad console. It gives the impression that the assembly line was in a hurry and couldn't be bothered to stretch it out neatly.
@TwinCam
@TwinCam 7 месяцев назад
It's hardly haphazard. It's ruched. That was the style in that period.
@kreppaeppl1447
@kreppaeppl1447 6 месяцев назад
AND nowadays , restoring esprits..... it was a hell to recostruct that strange style in my car, drove the interior-specialist crazy ;)
@michaelcraigjesso6043
@michaelcraigjesso6043 Год назад
I personally feel these were a their peak in 1992 with the 264 hp. They looked the best and the sound they made I dont think could ever be duplicated. Movies like Pretty Woman and Basic Instict did these cars justice .
@adrianharrison5208
@adrianharrison5208 Год назад
I have to agree and this is the year I will be going and looking for next year
@Frisenette
@Frisenette Год назад
It lost all its cool, identity and relevance with the chamfering of the lines and overall softening. *This* is the epitome.
@trevorspiro945
@trevorspiro945 Год назад
The worst part was the hand brake, next to your right foot! I had a Turbo HC and was very passionate about it, but after 5 years I couldn’t live with it any more. I purchased one of the first Honda NSX’s imported into Britain and that love affair endured from 1992 - 2020!
@DigitalJunior2003
@DigitalJunior2003 2 года назад
Very professional video. Calm positive attitude
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 2 года назад
Liked 👍 Haven't been able to watch the video, though, I'm sat here, staring at that GORGEOUS thumbnail ! What a beauty ! This is Grand Tour material !!
@iddles2o
@iddles2o 2 года назад
This was a great video, impressed. Beautiful example of the Turbo Esprit! Great job.
@phuketexplorer
@phuketexplorer 2 года назад
It might have been capable of 150mph, but only once. The engine would then self destruct. 😂
@adonian
@adonian Год назад
This car is so sexy in a burgundy metallic with gold lettering. edit: Just found a 2000 for $72K V8, nice, and a VERY NICE 93 Turbo for $43K Hmmm That 93 looks affordable.
@davidw6469
@davidw6469 2 года назад
Superb, detailed review. Fantastic car, lovely colour.
@GSimpsonOAM
@GSimpsonOAM Год назад
Odd. Mine has ashtrays in the sills but no lighter. (S2) When I broke the indicator stalk I got a new one from the Landrover specialist.
@BillLaBrie
@BillLaBrie Год назад
Considering it came out in the mid 70s and was probably designed in the late 60s, it’s aged remarkably well.
@diemaschine2287
@diemaschine2287 Год назад
Cars like this are what makes me envious of Europe. You guys have all sorts of cara with style and beauty. They were all so unique MGs, TVR, Mini, Fiat, Renault, Caterham, Peugeot Lotus and Vauxhall to the major companies like BMW Porshe Lamborghini and Ferrari. All so unique and producing so many quirky and beautiful vehicles. From the 60s and all the way to 80s and 90s so many cool vehicles. Here in America pretty much after the 70’s everything is the same booring copy paste shared parts bin blandness. Booring 4 cylinders to whimpy pedestrian 6 cylinders in everything. Nothing handled great nothing great. We had to turn to Japan to get exciting cars as most european manufacturers had left the market due to insane safety and fuel economy regulations. I had a 76MGB that i bought when i got in the ARMY and it was one of the few cars i was ever excited to just get in and drive.
@garymurraya
@garymurraya Год назад
shame the owner didnt let you drive it, not that its worth a fortune at the end of the day. Be careful with the figures.. Lotus tend to OVERstate their figures, unlike other companies like porsche who understate them. The first series 1 was quoted at 0-60 about 2 seconds faster than it could actually ever do.... so no, I dont think it would ever beat the 308...... Nice looking car, but quality was always and is still the issue. British made brings with it a mentality that is not to be proud of in most cases I am afraid.... Landrover, Rover, Leyland, Triumph, Lotus, Jaguar... etc etc, all way down the reliability list.
@beauwulf
@beauwulf 15 дней назад
Amazing exterior design, but absolutely garbage transmission and motor.
@tobihaifisch7558
@tobihaifisch7558 3 месяца назад
Why on earth did anyone in their right mind approve to that marshmallow interior looks?! To me, this is the biggest downer on this (otherwise) compelling vehicle.
@paulkane9863
@paulkane9863 2 года назад
The most balanced review of the Esprit I've ever watched.
@johnbower7452
@johnbower7452 2 года назад
I had the dubious pleasure of driving one of these back in the late 80's; I can honestly say it didn't drive anywhere near as nice as it looked; in fact it was horrid and ranks among the worst drives I've ever had. Uncomfortable and tight. Sorry but didn't like it.
@andrewh2u
@andrewh2u 6 месяцев назад
.... the Lamborghini Countach just looks scruffy - love this channel 🙂
@GSXSF-250
@GSXSF-250 Год назад
I bought an "84 Esprit but the previous owner messed with the carburetor to race the car. The exhaust got so hot that it burned the bumper.
@hawlikd
@hawlikd 2 года назад
Where is the ski rack? Like what you see in the James Bond film, For Your Eyes Only?
@steveh3576
@steveh3576 2 года назад
In 1983 i used to get a lift home in a white and red turbo with the pioneer roof stereo uber cool when your 16
@jacquesraymond6892
@jacquesraymond6892 2 года назад
A test drive would have been appreciated. Thank's anyway.
@Little_Alesi
@Little_Alesi Год назад
Great video, you UNDERSTAND these cars
@newtronix
@newtronix 2 месяца назад
The Dino 308 GT4 look pretty good also!
@gvybin
@gvybin Год назад
Congrats, It is seldom that a Lotus Esprit review isn't full of historical faults or facts. Not so in this review. Spot on, thank you. I am the lucky owner of a 1980 Esprit S2.2 So not the turbo esprit although it was launched also in 1980. There were only 88 S2.2. The beauty was that it had the early S1 S2 chassis with the Chapman strut and it was considerbly lighter and more agile then the turbo Esprit or the S3, but it had it's chassis galvanised unlike the S1 and S2. It also had the first 2.2 engine with more torque. And important, it had the pure looks of the original, without 80ties spoilers and the beautifull speedline alloys (chosen by by Colin Chapman himself)
@TwinCam
@TwinCam Год назад
Thanks mate :)
@victorgrasscourt3382
@victorgrasscourt3382 Год назад
Can you do a video please on the Volkswagen K70?
@gt197
@gt197 2 года назад
Lotus - Lots of trouble-usually serious. Great cars tho..
@TheCinderellaman10
@TheCinderellaman10 2 года назад
didn't these come with a Twin turbo V8?
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