Another architect here, always love your design critiques. I would’ve skipped the swivel seats and formed a U-shaped couch that wrapped around the rear of the guest area. You could easily fit four passengers with this configuration, and even have a table that raises up from the floor similar to wha the Connie has. I agree that the seating should but up on a riser to take advantage of the side windows. Hopefully one day the RSI dealer will give us some options for how we fit out our Lynx.
CIG REALLY loves their swivel seats, there are so many ships that IMO could benefit not having those and the unneccesary animation that comes with it, fixed seats where possible would be so much nicer.
Why are the passengers even at the back looking at wall big? When the U-Shaped couch or 4 swivel seats could be at the front, with driver and gunner at rear in a higher position or hydraulic lift seats so driver still has good visibility over the pointed nose of the vehicle. Like a royal horse carriage. A lot of focus of many ST designs seem to favour having the pilot/user as the key person the design needs to work for but for craft crossing over to "lux" then that focus should move so the crew are staff.
Not sure a bench would work as having the people in the middle of the bench needing to move in and out would require those on the ends to move out to allow them access. They would also need shifting animations for the characters to move into and out of the bench seats, not to mention these seats would also have to fit metrics, animations and logic for the npcs as well. So I think moving back the seats, adding two more swivel chairs (or at least one more), raising the seats to take advantage of the side windows, increasing the length of the moon roof, adding a suit locker and then incorporating an air shield to maintain the atmosphere when players/npcs enter and exit and allowing players the ability to change the ambient color independently in both the cockpit and the cabin like in a late model Mercedes, would be the best ways to enhance the design.
@@OD-Zee The table would only raise up one everyone is seated. When you enter the vehicle the bench would be open like all the benches in the various landing zones, just walk up and sit. Once the vehicle is underway, the table would raise up if desired, no sliding in and out required.
I was surprised the kinda barebones middle volume wasn't separated in any way from the "luxurious" seating area. Was expecting that at some point, two sliding doors would just come out of the walls and turn into a full-on screen that displays a front camera view, or some news or a conference broadcast at least, creating a third "virtual" passenger in the space.
Love the idea of a screen simulating the front view, like the cockpits of the Esperia ships, a hologram person at the end of the table would be cool too, to have meetings like in Star wars haha
I feel like this luxury vehicle is different from a luxury brand like Origin. I see Origin as the prefered choice for general CEOs that don't want anything to do with the weaponry on the ship and don't wanna see anything less than perfection. RSI on the other hand I think might be more suited for the military brand CEOs, like Hurston Robotics, who might prefer to have some high-end weaponry more on show and show the rugged look more. Similar to how the Connie Phoenix still has that exposed engineering door at the back of the luxury/living area
I think it's a gorgeous ground vehicle. Two things you didn't discuss was the ability to lock the cockpit door and change lighting states individually between the front and rear cabins. Otherwise solid look at the Lynx.
Once we get VIP missions, roads, no fly zone locations, and harsher flight weather with low visibility above floor level, then ground vehicles will have more of a purpose.
@@blackmamba___ "If we had some ham, we could make a ham sandwich, if we also had some bread." I hear you, but that's been talked about since before 3.0, 6-7 years ago, when they supposedly already had the weather mechanics worked out. On the other hand, it is true that they're (allegedly) making progress on AI navigating planetary surfaces via vehicles, and they keep hinting that a new atmo flight model is in the works. I just don't really believe all of that is less than 4 years away, at a minimum.
@@rolinthor lol CIG offer you a ham sandwich 🥪 You agree- and then they proceed to break out the flour, plants some seeds in the garden and go slaughter a pig. By the time they get done, they bring you out a turkey salad 🥗 instead. 🙄
@@Zormac Most Limos are suitable for military service but I see your point. And it’s a valid one. But I wouldn’t compare the Lynx to a Caddy. Maybe a KIA. The total lack of any luxurious internal materials makes it feel like being in a plastic minivan. Looks cool on the outside though, and those taillights could be compared to modern Cadillac taillights. And the wheels are amazing.
@@jbirdmax I'd dispute that about "most" limos. Your typical teenaged prom ride is not going to have rugged shocks/suspension, Lexan windows, bullet resistant armor plating, or run flat tires. And I'm pretty sure those limos far outnumber the armored ones used by the US president, other world leaders from elected to despot, and CEO VIPs. There's a lot more American high school students with too much disposable income, than there are world leaders and CEOs. :D :D :D
@@dakaodo most military vehicles (at least when I was US Marines Sgt. 2nd NW NM) don’t have run flat tires or lexan windows. but they do have a special coating similar to window tint that can stop most medium bullets and shrapnel. But that’s also available on most limousines. And almost all limousines have suspension that can handle extreme conditions and usually auto adjust to whatever road conditions they’re on. Some have a switch that stiffens the shocks. We took a driving course “presidential escort” where we learned how to drift, slide, and jump limousines out of harms way. With the exception of Mercedes Benz, *most* limousines are tougher than you’re giving credit for, and are used every day in the US Marines, the ARMY and US Special forces, with few modifications. But pretty much all military vehicles are modified to suit whatever role they play.
I kind of wish CIG would add the same glass effect that is on the Lynx to the Connie Phoenix. I'm honestly not a big fan of flashy myself, but damn that would it look great!
Some of the high end luxury gripes you had about materials I actually kinda like. It gives a different feel from Origin stuff and shows off what RSI’s take on it might be. Kind of like the difference between a high end Ford model vs what a Lexus would do.
These "mistakes" actually sort of fit in well with RSI's take on luxury. The Phoenix feels much more like a Business Class affair, possibly with an upgrade to First Class. Origin's ships, on the other hand, feel more like yachts and private jets with custom interiors, which suggests a couple orders of magnitude in wealth beyond that. It feels a little odd for those of us who have neither the wealth nor the interest in either option, but it does reflect modern luxury segments.
I do wish the luxury vehicles like this did have some reason aside from aesthetics to use them though. Maybe more of a focus on speed and handling to be able to get the passenger to the destination faster and safer. In terms of actual gameplay the Ursa seems to be just better.
Yea something like powerful shields, anti-ballistic armor, or rocket countermeasures would be great to see on luxury transports. We have these today that cater to the wealthy, so is an easy comparison to what we might see in the future.
@@cass7448 CIGs rebuttal that is it would make "luxury ships pay to win" so they intentionally downgrade them despite both in lore and irl logic saying otherwise. No one would pay more for something worse when it comes to life and death protection. It's asinine and a complaint many origin owners have. We love the look but aesthetics shouldn't be nerfed by subpar performance
@@Rippedyanu1 here im going to say have both start whit level 1 shields and what not. but the luxery variant almost always comes stock whit level 2 shields. but both variant can go up to let say level 5 shields. because lets face it that luxery car is in many cases not better in performant then some other cars (if the other car can get it hand on a similar engine).
Imo the lynx has a pretty big design flaw which is the lack of a rear door. While it's super easy to park your ursa in the cargo bay of a connie, due to the lack of a rear door you have to be very careful how you position the lynx, otherwise you'll be stuck between the large wheels when exiting. And given how janky the collision in the game can be it's sometimes pretty dangerous to try and park it with enough space to the left side.
I has its pluses but mostly it highlights a complaint I have about CIG. Making new ships is ok but don’t forget about the designs people have been waiting a decade for. That said you looked at it closer than I did and I like how you pointed out the hard surfaces. Space wise I always assume people in hostile environments would dress appropriate and while no space is allowed for heavy suits I expect they just need helm storage while they wear their designer under suits. Unless they have breathable atmo. So lack of airlock, no big deal to me. You didn’t comment on the lockable cabin door. lol But overall I liked it but it felt crowded. Also to that effect I wanted more of an RV. Bigger windows, longer like an Anvil Ballista, beds to log out from, and something for that overall remote RV camping destination feel that the current phoenix sports.
I like that you highlighted both the good and the bad. Personally I often have an issue with exterior views. Views out from spaceports, views from the cockpits of ships, views through windows in general, in this game, is very un-impressive. I want more, bigger, clearer windows everywhere, but especially in the waiting areas of spaceports. I can forgive the lack of soft surfaces etc but views to me is the most important thing in our pretty space game.
Ground vehicles have alot of use for things like the mission box missions at whistlers and settlements, loading them on a MULE for example is far faster and avoids the cutty dropship destroying ur ship and JT has great use for vehicles due to their radar sig
Given how this is designed (no proper forward position on the seat, no good way to look out the window at the terrain so that your eyes and inner ear are on the same page) it's good that they added a luxurious golden bucket to vomit into.
Great video!. Hopefully they address some of the issues in the future when they start gold stadard on the URSA Rover. Also you forgot the panel on the table. You can control the light of the cabin with 3 options.
love the Architect reviews . Lynx will be a good small drug runner to outpost when those are in game with the shielded storage under the passenger windows
Great feedback regarding the windows, protecting against vacuum, and better using the space behind the chairs, which were my comments on it as well (along with creating more of a separation between passengers and crew (something like the glass doors in the C8R). I love the idea of bespoke emergency spacesuits (or at least spaces to store them). CIG is getting better about conceptualizing these things, and the Lynx is an excellent example of how they're both learning and still have room to think things through and revise.
Criticism of the lack of an Airlock is valid. Another downside is that constant contamination of that interior by toxic environments. All those nice materials, wine glasses, and so on are not going to be as 'luxurious' if the interior smells like rotten eggs for a week after travelling on a planet with a Sulfurous atmosphere. My suggestion in the luxury market would be for Tevarin Air shields to be mounted at the entry. Handles the airlock function, is fancy, and takes up less room than the more conventional mechanical airlock would. I'd use the same air shields, for the same reasons, on the Origin 300 series.
While I do like the Lynx my main issue with it was the decision to make it a bit more fragile than the base Ursa. I understand that they want to make differences between the two but quite often vehicles, especially ones where the passengers are wealthy enough to hire chauffeur's are armored in case of kidnap or assasination attempts.
Great Review as always. But I think you should have mentioned the ability to set 3 different lighting conditions with the console in the table. There is no contextual feedback, but you can push the three bar like buttons there.
Regarding the lack of environmental protection for the occupants in the back, I dont really think thats a problem. Its a taxi for rich folks and they probably wont need to get on and off outside of a pressurized area anyway. As in, enter the Rover while still in the ship and exit it inside a facility that allows for indoor parking. And on the rare occasion that they do they coud suit up inside the ship. Also a simple Oxygenmask would be sufficient for them to stay alive given that the atmospheric pressure is sufficient. If its at roughly 0,3 Bar (like on Everest) thats enough. Not to mention, its SC. They could fit the door with a Tevarin Style Airshield like on the Prowler.
I want oxygen masks so bad in game, it makes sense in lore considering how many moons are partial, non breathable atmospheres. Daymar is what, .6 bar and just mostly nitrogen and methane? So as long as you had an Everest-style mask, you’d be fine. Also yeah, I don’t imagine the rover needing an airlock or even the VIP’s dealing with suits or masks; on an unpressurized moon they would board in the carrier ship and drive into a base with a sealed hanger like the ones at new Babbage.
The glass is probably transparent aluminum, invented by Dr. Nichols, of the San Francisco-based Plexicorp, in 1986. Nichols states some of the inspiration came from a 'Professor Scott,' of Edinburgh😋
I feel RSI luxury language is not for the "Posh Rich" but the "Wealthy Boss" in whatever high risk occupation they're in, understanding they're higher market than others but not the highest as Origin Jump Works level which actually shows in the materials from RSI being a militaristic to militias type of a manufacturer the language for me shows that they're making comfortable spaces for their clients who might need the two luxury RSI vehicles time to time while keeping close to their occupation and possibly might need to use them in their risky jobs. Maybe you oversighted this possible vision or I could be completely wrong but we all have our own unique takes and I love your take comes from an occupational view which helps me to look at designs not only in the game world but also the real world.
Your reviews are so thoughtful. It really makes these videos so enjoyable to watch. Honestly if CIG were smart they'd hire you to be on the design team.
This certainly carries the look of what I would imagine a luxury rover will look like. I cannot say I'll buy it, but I do appreciate the opulence that was given to it by the designers. Like you said, it could have used more added for the airlock and possibly bespoke armor/suits, but it is a cool looking ride.
For the airlock I think the vehicule is design to be pair with an Phoenix, you go directly without spaceSuite from your bed, to the cargo bay, into the vehicule :)
I like the Lynx. Favorite ground vehicle so far. Unlike space ships, vehicles have been around our current civilization for over a hundred years. We have gotten really good at making them utilitarian and also hide as much mechanical as possible. The lynx pulls it off well. Also glad to see that the tinted glass is actually tinted. At least some of it is. From outside all the glass appears to be the same color. From inside only the glass roof up top is yellow tinted. Most curious thing is that the remote turret sits in the middle of the roof on the lynx while it is off to the side on the ursa. 2 people in the back of something the size of an APC is a bit ridiculous. I am not sure if CIG just has way too thick of a standard for the hull of things or what. Storm has a single passenger and is larger than the most ridiculously large tanks ever built. The Tonk is like 3x bigger than an M1 Abrams and holds 1 less person. Cyclone is twice the size of an F150 and carries less cargo and less people.
Seeing how the glass (maybe transparent aluminum?) is styled gives me hope they will remove all or most of the struts on the Connie ships for their gold pass rework, the Phoenix at the very least. See also the Scorpius for another hint that RSI may indeed be ending the age of the terrible cockpit struts.
So I think moving back the seats, adding two more swivel chairs (or at least one more), raising the seats to take advantage of the side windows, increasing the length of the moon roof, adding a suit locker and then incorporating an air shield to maintain the atmosphere when players/npcs enter and exit and allowing players the ability to change the ambient color independently in both the cockpit and the cabin like in a late model Mercedes, would be the best ways to enhance the design.
My biggest issue with the URSA is the tight cockpit space, when exiting the pilot chair in armor you glitch around between the chair and auto door. I had hoped they would have given a little more room to avoid that in the Lynx.
I think Lynx's design should sacrifice the co-driver's seat in lieu of moving the component rack and gun rack forward. That would make enough space to place suit lockers right on the opposite side to the entrance. A luxury car doesn't need more than 1 driver anyway, and it's not a sports car to drive it yourself. As to the seating, I agree with Morph - There should be 3 of them and they should have better visibility of the outside world. Or even better, they should be a sofa - Because nothing beats lounging inside the car while someone drives you around. ...This rover should've been a rock band bus.
Come on CIG - hire Morphologis as a consultant for all new vehicle concepts already. All of his critique are on point and the suggestions noted would have made a ton more sense.
7:36 interestingly enough the champagne bottle can be picked up. (It is also the same Star Trek Easter egg seen on the Carrack and the 890: A bottle of Jean Luc wine. Unfortunately you can’t drink it :( )
I absolutely love my Lynx. I love the design and many of the complaints you have are shortsighted. Such as the idea that the acoustics would be bad with hard surfaces. You forget this is the future and just because a surface looks solid to you since you are used to the materials we have in our universe, you seem to be ignoring that fact that in this universe and futures setting for all you know the window glass could be soft to the touch while being as strong as steel. I also choose to believe that there is an energy field hugging the surface of all the areas of the interior that creates a sound buffer. So no noise. Also there is a force field just inside of the exterior door area that creates an energy sealed airlock. A person is able to walk right through it while the field keeps air and atmosphere inside while keeping the outside out. At least MINE DOES. Anyhoo...keep making videos...I thoroughly enjoy them.
I want to start by saying I still love the vehicle and would like to get one at some point, that said I agree with all your criticisms. I feel like even some kind of basic glass door to act like an air lock would have been nice or perhaps a jump seat of some kind in case a VIP has an assistant as well as a guest. I’m quit Interested to see if all luxury ground vehicles will continue to have such small passenger cabins considering how large some of the luxury space ships feel. It would be nice to have some larger ground vehicles for RP regardless of luxury or not.
Armed in the same way of the Ursa id say the Lynx is an easy get unless you need the cargo space or 2 extra jump seats. Also Morphologis outing himself as never doing prison breaks or medical gameplay. Ground vics are very useful for bypassing the tresspass alarms that are on when you do a rescue.
Really hoping to see more Ursa-style rovers with their own enclosed cabins plus life-support from other manufacturers. I'm still waiting on the Origin G12-series and I would definitely want to see rovers from Aegis, Anvil, Crusader, etc.
What do I think? I think that this video was nearly as good as the trailer for the Lynx itself. These videos have always been so good and so interesting. I am 1 of those who loves to look at my ships and my characters and the environments and have others look at my ships. Although the Lynx is not for me, I'm a Drake and Consolidated Outland guy for the most part lol,but as always the Architec's comments and videos are some of my absolute favorite content in the RU-vid Star Citizen community. Well done once again, Morph!
I think they wasted a lot of space. As stated in the video, there should be some sort of airlock there, so your luxury passengers don't get vented as soon as you need to step outside. I feel that much more of an emphasis should have been put on increasing vision of the outdoors too. Instead it just feels like it's an expanse of panelling, and the chairs end up feeling out of place. Personally, I'd have gone for a self contained space in the rear. A skylight above, but instead (or maybe in addition to?) The window coming down, it should also wrap around. I'd have gone for circular "bench" seating, not dissimilar from what you would find on a yacht, around the rear, giving a lot more soft furnishings, and greater passenger capacity. Finally, when occupied, I'd have the entire bench rotate if desired. This would then give the passengers the opportunity to take on the panoramic rear view while seated.
As a luxurious vehicle i feel like CIG has failed to prioritize the main parts that makes a vehicle made for luxury only: Privacy and safety One way windows, dimmable glass or atleast blinds makes the most sense when it comes to VIP's and their vessels
Seems like they could have put the bulkhead door behind the entrance door, instead of in front of it. That would have allowed them to use the front half of the vehicle as an airlock (drivers just have to wear suits in that case).
I think the very slight flaw of the Lynx when it comes to luxury is fitting for what it is. RSI is not a luxury brand, so this is what you get when they try the hand on it. While a company like Origin would push it to the next level. It is still pretty good-looking, and beyond what you regularly see. But I like how it is more business class than first class. And I think is a neat design.
Thanks for the criticism! The lack of visibility for the passengers is laughable as a concept. Why build a the biggest window, when nobody can face it. Facepalm indeed. Let people enter through it! The table should at least be flexible.
Your critical points are pretty spot on. I didn't even think about the airlock situation, makes sense though. I personally traded in my ursa for one of these, purely because I think it looks better. I feel that I might miss that rear entrance door while im out running bunkers. I tend to land and drive the ursa up and load it up with the bodies and such then unload them when I get back to my ship and up into orbit again. Not having that rear hatch is probably going to cause some awkward situations using the tractor beam. Hopefully one day soon we really get more use out of the ground vehicles, really the ROC is the only truly useful one right now.. but still... I like this thing.
All the issues regarding airlocks in pretty much all ships and vehicles, could be solved by something alredy in game but for some reason kept locked to a couple of human made replicas of alien ships (emphasis on huma made), and space stations. The air shields. If they want to put airlocks and air tight bulkheads on bigger ships for redundancy when power goes out its fine, but on smaller ships/vehicles it's honestly a no brainer. P.S.: The "excuse" they had for it was "they use a lot of power" wich instantly failed when they put one of those on the ejection cockpit of the Talon, that as far as i know dosen't house a power plant XD .
The very first thing I did with my Lynx was replace the 2x M3A Laser Cannon's with Omnisky III's. Mostly so the match the Omnisky's that come with the Phoenix. Also they do look much better on the Lynx than the M3A's. They perform exactly the same currently so...
It would be cool if the table could go into the floor and the seats form into a bed. Then if you aren’t doing passenger transport, it could be a really nice personal transporter. Pair that with maybe a ursa that is using AI blades to follow you and you could have a very relaxing/ nice way to explore new planets.
imo the vertical view angle lacks of widespreading, you have the "top bar " just in front of your eyes. The viewing angle is better in the ursa. It's a major issue for me.
One thing you don't see much of (besides the Lynx and maybe one or two more) is a frame being used by another MFG to make something else. Happens in real life a lot. Like a lot of RV's are just Freightliner M2 frames, flipped around, and are built up by whoever the hell to have an RV top.
I love this vehicle and I think it fits the Phoenix nicely, but I don't like the Connies for several of their awkward designs. I wish the Lynx would fit into the 400i but I guess I will have to get a 600i for that. I think there still is room for an airlock door, which I would make transparent or semi-transparent, or maybe even 1-way transparent so that passengers can see who is trying to come in but people can't gawk at people inside.
CIG has created a lot of ships without proper air locks. I personally think at some point they will fix this with passthrough shields that hold in air but let through everything else like in some sci-fi movies and shows. Would also be the easiest fix.
Regarding your statement about higher quality materials such as wood or carpet in the interior, I am really curious how the G12 from Origin will look like. However it seems that's its interior will be really small. Imagine what they could have done with the Lynx if it would have been the size of the Anvil Spartan.
There is legitimate use for ground vehicles. ROC mining! It's pretty dope. Although yeah the vast majority of ground vehicles is still looking for an actual ussecase.
The only issue is the lynx doesnt have the maglock storage that the ursa does. The only use that i know of the ground stuff is to carry cargo from bunkers.
They could have splitted it into 3 sections, where each sections can be closed off. cockpit, senter section with storage and utility, aft "passenger" cabin
Put the Air Shield from Esperia ships. That would solve the problem simply, without needing to really justify the "why" or "how", and without making it unbelievable within the concept and usage. Cheers! Canuck :)
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