Is that a green lava lamp behind you at 19:53? I heard they make them with a bottle cap now that pops if they build up pressure after that one kind of exploded or shattered spontaneously years ago....safety matches on! 😊 Thank you kindly for the video...cheers.
@@stevengill1736 You are told specifically when you buy these and in the booklets that come with them that you are not supposed to have them on for a long time anyway. Because ... You guessed it they can explode. So just dont leave them on over night. And the smaller the lamp and the more spurious companies that make them ... A lot of variables. But the Mathmos ones are the best (which is what it looks like he has here) and they are also recommended to not have them left on for too long. You can tell when they have been on too long by the look of the bubble. If they are no longer rising and falling and are just hovering up top ... Too hot. Also do not change the wattage of the bulbs. Especially higher. Low wattage will just take longer so better to lower wattage but never raise it.
@@stevengill1736 As a poste script. I have seen many RU-vidrs with videos where they have lava lamps and you can tell that in the vain of continuity for their videos you can see that they go from not even melted to rising and falling, and then the wax looks likes snakes all trying to breach the surface of the Oil and look like they are about to explode. And can you imagine the shocking injuries Hot Oil and Melted Wax could do to you ... Don't bare thinking about.
Stockton was right. He is remembered for the rules he broken. Too bad he thought safety was for losers, thought he was "innovative" for ignoring experts, and not only lost his own life for his hubris, but got four other innocent people killed. This story fits right in with classic Greek myths warning about hubris.
@@KristianKumpula I hate people like you. You know exactly what I meant. God forbid I misspelled it. Jesus christ. Icarus. Hope you fly too close to the spelling police and get locked up xD
Is that sub a thing? I believe some of the first subs in history were bicycle pedal powered...(The Turtle was the first according to Wikipedia....in 1776, can you imagine?)
@@calci2679fr, like fuck the billionaires, the kid probably just wanted to celebrate Father’s Day at home with his whole family too, instead his idiot of a father got him killed.
LoL!! You've reminded me of the time I went to a sea life exhibition in Brighton in the early 70's. There was a tank containing a Blue Ring Octopus. It had a large notice "This Creature is deadly poisonous. There is no known antidote to its toxins. You will die " and the tank was sealed by a padlocked steel lid. My dad joked to one of the attendants "You're not taking any chances!" and the bloke replied "We used to just have the notice (you will die etc) but had to seal the tank as at least six people a day tried to touch it" !!!
@@infrasleep I nearly touched an adult one in the wild by accident with my foot on a reef once. If they do bite you, you probably won't even feel it. If someone collapses after a bite, you have to immediately start CPR / defib etc. or they will die in minutes, as it paralyses all muscles. There is no anti-venom, so they have to keep you alive until it wears off.
Suleman Dawood, the young guy, didn’t want to go and he felt so uneasy about it, as the relatives told the press. RIP Suleman and the other 4 lives lost for what??? Nothing!!!
He wanted to solve a rubix cube down there to be the first to do so. Seems like the guy was very exited.... Sorry only idiots would go down in a vessel like that.
I stopped using my controller wireless on my PC for GAMING because it’s sometimes glitchy on bluetooth and because of latency. This dude used a cheap controller on bluetooth wireless, to steer a home-made submarine at 4000 meters under the ocean. Let that sink in for a minute.
Use of commercially available and proven technology is valid way of saving expenses and conditions that deep are usually very stable so sudden movements are generally not necessary. Of all idiotic decisions made by Oceangate (just like Watergate) using that controller was least serious.
Dude, think about this, it wasn't even an actual official XBox controller. It wasn't one of the expensive, pro-gamer grade controllers that you can buy for $200. It was a cheap wireless one made by Logitech or one of those other budget brands.
@@vksasdgaming9472 tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me... using a wireless controller as your ONLY means of controlling your vessel is about the dumbest and most dangerous decision you could make. There was NO BACKUP. There were no master controls that were wired directly to the driving mechanism. That is total fucking madness.
@@bipolarminddroppings Logitech has long history of making controllers so they are competent. They are very compatible so that might have also played on decision using such device. Of all stupidly reckless decisions made by Oceangate using commercially available controller was least stupid.
Speaking as a former member of the Coast Guard who did a few search and rescue cases in my time, it wasn't misplaced optimism that kept them out there. The USCG is going to assume you are alive as long as there's no evidence that suggests you are not. Yeah the chances of survival decrease as time goes on, but when a fisherman fell overboard during a storm in the bearing sea, my boat turned into the storm and fought 20+ foot Seas to get on scene. We were knocked around and beat up the whole way, but we didn't slow down until the body was pulled out of the water. Lot's of people talk trash about the Coast Guard, and you can say whatever you want about them. But if you're lost out there, they're looking for you.
Personally i think its more ocean gates fault, they waited WAY to long sounding the alarm when contact was lost etc. But ive seen James Cameron talk about getting inside information from his guys in the coast guard/navy that he has been alot with when diving himself saying that they heard a massive bang underground that sounded like an implosion on the ocean floor days before they started talking about oxygen levels etc. I get that they dont want to stop but dont lie to the public when u know its over
Random fact: On the same day the Titanic sank, Kim Il Sung was born. North Korea has a calendar called the "Juche Calendar" that starts the day Kim Il Sung was born. Therefore, if you want to know how long it's been since the titanic sank, look up the year on the North Korean calendar. Also Ironically the Juche Calendar and the Titanic Movie were both created in 1997.
The ironic thing is, that the movie is one of the few films that people can watch, as I read it's used for educational purposes. Maybe they value it because of his birth?
Fun fact, on the same day the titanic sank, my grans pet tortoise was born, his name was smithers, he was a good spirited and happy smithers, another fun fact, he sank in water, and did not care for water since the day he sank and was rescued.
Stockton Rush called SUBSAFE "over the top in their rules and regulations" in that interview, literally the whole reason for the USN SUBSAFE program was the loss of the USS Thresher with all hands. Since which the US navy has not lost a single sub that was compliant with the SUBSAFE program.
Titanic was equipped with more lifeboats than were necessary according to the regulations of the time. The regulations however were based on several assumptions about length of time a ship was likely to take to sink, and the (then new) technology of wireless telegraph which would allow a ship to call for help. Obviously the sinking of the Titanic showed up the safety regulations for the joke that they were.
That's true, but I'm not convinced more life boats would have helped in Titanic's case. The final two life boats could not be launched in time but slid from the deck right into the atlantic. So I doubt that the crew could do any better with extra life boats cluttering the deck. As it was the ships maiden vayage a relativly large part of the crew wasn't very familiar with Titanic. Add to this the state of emergency in the middle of the night and those extra boats complicating the evacuation could just as well done more harm than good.
@@Darilon12 revised regulations that were imposed after the sinking required an adequate reserve margin of lifeboats to account for scenarios where not all the boats were useable. They also improved the procedures for lifeboat drills, crowd control, that sort of thing. I am certain that in the case of Titanic these regulations would definitely have helped save more people.
the worst part of this video is him making comparisons to the Titanic Disaster. Most of his claims are Bullshit. There really was nothing particularly negligent about Titanic. It followed all standard regulations. By comparison the Titan went out of its way to be unsafe.
@@MrRandomcommentguythey’ve done some testing and it’s wouldn’t have helped much. The ship was listing badly and was only afloat for about two hours, with a lot of that time having been wasted. It would have of course helped if they were completely filling life boats before sending them out, but it’s likely that they couldn’t have filled all of the boats even if they had them or had different ways.
@@Darilon12 Loading more passengers/ crew per lifeboat "from the getgo" would (possibly?) have saved more lives? As well as better training as stated above in your comment, and Lifeboat Drill instructions for all aboard Titanic... I read somewhere that the drill was postponed? (Or was that a different ship and disaster?)
There were a few pressure tests on the carbon fiber haul before titan was built. All of these tests ended in implosion before the desired pressure was reached. Rush knew this and still used carbon fiber.
The carbon fibre hull was pressure tested at reduced scale and failed. Oceangate couldn't $afford$ to validate 'creeping failure', induced by repeated submersions at unthinkable pressures. Mr. Rush was accurate when he stated, "you're remembered for the rules you break".
Can't believe it lasted as long as it did! The enormous pressure on every square inch of the Titan is so far from normal experience, it's hard to imagine - a hundred and twenty school busses piled up on every square inch is a hella lotta school busses!!
@@stevengill1736 lots of the dives they claimed to have were found to not have taken place. they outright lied about their record and their website at one point listed they were certified by an organization. Said organization got very angry and demanded to be taken off the website.
@@toomanyaccounts Yeah, the amount of deception and lies makes the titan implosion criminal in nature. They knew it was unsafe, yet charged 250k per “mission specialist”-guest anyway. 5 people died because of one guys recklessness. If he were allowed to go up to space, I’m pretty sure he would have killed people up there too. There is an argument to be made that too many saftey restrictions make innovation harder, but just throwing every rule overboard and going on instinct will get people hurt and killed. James Cameron was right: this incident was 100% avoidable. It shouldn’t have happened.
It's telling that the guy who states 'who needs all these regulations, there hasn't been an accident in decades!' shows why that is, because he ignores the regulations.
it's the same reason why travelling by plane is by far the safest form of transit on the planet (except for Boeing planes lol), it's heavily regulated. We dont just let someone fly passenger jets after ten minutes of training with a fucking gamepad...
Fun fact: the speed at which the implosion would happen is faster than our senses can feel. So in a nutshell, they were sitting there in the sub and then all of a sudden they were gone. Just like that. And since the implosion happens faster than our nerves can feel, they literally wouldn’t have even know it happened. They wouldn’t have heard anything. Wouldn’t have felt anything. Would have seen anything. It was instantaneous death.
@@jasonjones7461they were aware that something was wrong. They attempted to come back up and were communicating with the mother ship about an issue. Whether they knew that it would for sure happen, or if they were under the impression that they’d make it back up, I guess only they’ll ever know.
@@prettyladygames3513 Please quit repeating these myths. The 'communications' have been thoroughly debunked. Speculation about their supposed suffering is ghoulish. Most likely they didn't hear anything. Creaking and cracking had been heard repeatedly before and Rush had gaslit reporters and investors into thinking they were normal. It was lights out.
Suleman was not reluctant to go and nor did he join the trip just to please his father, his mother was also there with him and said he was so excited to go that she gave up her seat for him, and he even took a Rubik's cube with him to solve while at the wreck site. This misconception was spread by his aunt, who gave an interview while his Mum was still at sea with the expedition and unable to speak with the press, leading to it still being repeated in videos and articles more than a year later.
Suleman's mom was disqualified months before the launch as too heavy to go; there was no such thing as 'she gave up her seat for him' except maybe in her imagination.
I have heard this. I have to wonder if he wasn't just nervous and telling different relatives different things. I mean, I know I would be terribly nervous to go, but I would also want to go. It would be a real conflicting feeling.
Not to be this douche, but I think it was Britanic that became a WW1 medical ship. Was sunk by a submarine anyway during WW1. The Olympic was actually the only one of the 3 ships to survive, eventually retired in the 1930s. The pictures from the inside of t Olympic helped recreate the Titanic for the James Cameron movie Source: very sad history nerd here
I've commented until i'm blue in the face about how negligent OceanGate was in various aspects... But can we talk about how horrible their business model was? Based on what it would cost and operate to build a Deep water submersible, that was safe. Add depths of 12000 plus feet you would have to be running 3 trips a day to the titanic all completely full of passengers paying the max amount. Anyone who starts to really look at the business can quickly see that without investors pouring in new money, there is no way this business model will ever be sustainable. It's literally a money pit death trap.
Nothing adds up about the business models. Same with the sub construction, both of their subs took Oceangate about 2 years max. It's just maddening when you watch documentaries about the other dives to Titanic
@Moocake yes! Thank you! I deal with high pressure in the oil and gas industry so believe it or not a lot of our safety procedures are similar and to see what he did is baffling. It was never a matter of if he'd kill someone, it was always just a matter of when. I don't even think he realized it but he looked at every crucial safety standard and said "that takes too long and costs too much" and calls it innovation. You're not innovating. You're just don't it in a way that's been proven wrong. You're just playing Russian roulette with people's lives.
Oh dude you probably know way more about it than me, should have picked your brain about it lmao. I think it was a clear case of Dunning Krueger effect with Stockton, probably thought he knew way more than he actually did
@Moocake absolutely correct, he was a very intelligent guy I don't think anyone will argue that. His expertise in this area was lacking though. I guess call it ego? But he should have listened to his colleagues and some of his own employees. Honestly though, this is a situation where you don't want to know more about safety man... it just makes the whole thing more upsetting. Pressure is no joke. It is unforgiving and one thing Rush seemed to not understand is that by the time you realize something is wrong, it's way too late. Put it this way, I saw this in another video. It takes the brain about 150 milliseconds to identify pain. At that depth and pressure, they were crushed in about 20 milliseconds. They could've died 7 times over before even realizing they were hurt.
@@travelreview5962 yeah Hamish Harding who went to Challenger Deep on Limiting Factor had the opportunity to pay a million dollars to go on it to the Titanic. This million was stated to cover the costs of the support ship going out there. There is a reason why private expeditions on the Mirs to the Titanic past the 90s were stated to be 15 million dollars.
Those who do learn the lessons of history are doomed to watch in horror while the people who didn't learn the lesson repeat the same mistakes again and again.
And we can expect someone several decades from now using a technology just discovered (and not adequately tested) to take paying people down to see the remains of the Titan, where they become the newest to repeat history.
I would love to see an UN-MANNED sub similar to Titan tested to its limit to see if there were any warnings from the sub itself that it was going to implode BEFORE its final dive
Every single test he did on the carbon fiber hull imploded before reaching the depth they needed. Lmao. Plenty of warning. He ignored the results of those tests and went with a carbon fiber hull anyway.
@@mckennadishongh2160 except they had made successful trips to the Titanic which debunks your claim. The issue was that they kept using the CFRP hull. The first few dives a CFRP hull would be very strong and handle that depth but Rush was told and should have known that a carbon fiber hull wasn't going to last long.
A couple corrections: The night Titanic sank there was no fog. It was perfectly clear, which is why they thought they'd be able to see any ice bergs approaching. The issue was it was also moonless and the water was still, which made it impossible to spot ice bergs, as they were not much brighter than the sky behind them, and did not have waves crashing against them. Further, they weren't trying to set any speed records, and in fact wouldn't have been able to, as the Olympic class was built for luxury, not speed. There was an offhand remark by Ismay that they might beat Olympic's time, but this was an observation, not a directive, as it was later misconstrued to be by a smear campaign launched by William Randolph Hearst.
@@mollymcdade4031 This is true. My point is they weren't speeding out of any desire to set records, just out of arrogance and overconfidence in their ability to spot bergs quickly.
39:58 This is an insult to Harland and Wolf. Their designers did NOT ignore safety or fail to prepare. They actually went above and beyond the standards of the time when it was built. The problem was they'd failed to realise just how bad the "worst case scenario" was. There wasn't a single safety regulation that Titanic's designers broke. Titanic failed when hit by a disaster that went beyond everything their designers had thought they'd have to worry about. Titan failed fundamentally at doing what it was built for, with no unforseen circumstances. Had the Titanic been as badly built as the Titan was for its job it never would have hit any iceberg. It'd have broken in two as soon as it left port just from the shock of sailing through large waves for the first time.
Exactly. Titanic was high tech AND high quality. It would have been fine for many years if used as intended - don’t speed near an ice field at night for example.
The titanic was missing safety chambers. Harland and Wolfe designed a good ship but it was never completed. Walls to complete bouyancy chambers were missing.
7:18 Ironically, Otis Barton, the designer of the Bathysphere, rejected an early cilindrical design in favour of a spherical one because he realised the latter would better withstand the pressure of the water.
I was a US navy Submariner for 20 years and to hear Stockton Rush refer the submarine safety program the way he did tells me everything we need to know about why this happened. The US Navy lost 2 Subs and created a safety program so intensive it has not lost a sub since 1968. Everything has redundancy and a high safety attitude. It’s to the point that bolts exposed to high sea pressure are tracked so if the ore from the mine it came from is found to have issues the navy knows exactly what ships have those bolts onboard. It works so well NASA adopted the program after the challenger disaster.
The problem is that SUBSAFE only applies to MILITARY submarines. Had the TITAN been classified as a MILITARY asset, we wouldn't be talking about this story today.
Eh, unlike this silly thing, the Titanic was actually built out of the best known materials for the job. And to the highest standard they knew how to build a ship. It just got really unlucky after that one poor judgement call.
Yes, the Titanic was built of the best known materials for the job, but there were some reckless decisions that destroyed its chances from the outset. 1) Ismay's two decisions during the design phase to lower the bulkheads to just above the water line and reduce the number of lifeboats on the davits from 48 to 16 and 2) combining 20 knots an hour speed with only two lookouts who didn't even have binoculars proving the captain was ignoring warnings about the unusual number of icebergs in a large icefield during that section of the sea crossing. So there were some lack of soundness similarities, sadly enough.
@@egm8602 Ismay didn't specify a hull constructed of tin foil wrapped in frozen wet newspaper, cooled by a tank of liquid nitrogen. That's the level of fuch-up we're talking here. There were errors in judgement, I agree, but consider the following: 1. The consequences of losing 5 compartments were known from the start. Adding further mitigation (by raising the bulkheads) wouldn't save the hull. We know better now, but don't forget, this was unexplored territory back then. 2.1 They didn't even manage to fill the boats they already _had_ in that time. 2.2 The purpose of the boats was only ever to ferry passengers from a sinking ship to rescue vessels. Leading up to this hull loss, there had been numerous incidents where passengers had been evacuated to lifeboats only to then be taken out by a storm, while the ship fared a lot better. They would have been seen as an absolute last resort, based on the bad weather assumption. Captains at the time would have been reluctant to use them as well, for the same reason - no use evacuating a ship that _migjt_ sink into lifeboats that *will* be capsised by the next big wave. As it happens, when this ol' girl went under, they knew the ship WILL sink, conditions were calm as calm got and rescue was _just_ out of reach. 3. The no binos, no lights and high-ish speed was indeed an error in judgement. 4. The rad ops were busy sending private communications all day, I'm not convinced they were even listening when the ice warnings were issued, never mind managing to get that information to the captain in time. There were some errors in judgement, some unfortunate circumstances and some faulty assumptions, but I do not see something that rises quite to the level of what cut price Electric Jesús did. By the way "knots" is the unit of speed, as in nautical miles per hour. Widely used in aviation too. "Knots per hour" becomes its odd-lookib first-order derivative. In other words, a unit of acceleration. Given the size and mass of that ship, it's probably in the right order of magnitude for this one. Maybe knots per minute with the engines at full power 😅
@@egm8602 The maddening thing about Titanic is how long it took to sink, it could have got so many people out on lifeboats. It's also such a busy bit of the Atlantic, most would have survived on them too.
If you want a little fun fact.. Sending people to their dooms in a submersible wasn't enough, now they want to do it in a rocket in space! Look up "Guillermo Söhnlein" moon plan. Lmfao.
Their money I guess. People get to cut stuff off their bodies too now, without getting thrown into solitary, might as well let them go all in and snuff themselves out completely in space or 4km underwater amr?
@@Moocake how to spot someone who hasnt done his homework about the titanic: he or she says the titanic didnt have enough life boats on board. for one: the titanic had more lifeboats on board then legaly required. for two: the closest ship to the titanic didnt respond. and fro three: the US armed forces tested the lifeboat hypothesis shortly after the sinking. the result of the simulation was the even with enough lifeboat space for everyone on board hundres would have died because the ship couldnt have been evacuated fast enough. the simulation was btw done with soldier under even better conditions than the sinking of the titanic gave for rescue operations.
Mooocake! I think this is the first serious piece I've seen from you (yes, internet drama is wasted on you). Not just a comedian then. I was hooked all the way through, no joke in the age of short attention span uploads. You deserve another drink!
Ah yes, “Aerospace experts, NASA and Boeing.” All leaders in the field of submarine development. One would think the Navy or literally anyone who does anything to do with water instead of space and aircraft would have been more appropriate.
Those are all lies too. They had to contract the aerospace suppliers as they solely own the equipment and tooling to make a carbon fiber structure at that size. If i buy a banana at kroger, kroger is not a partner in my breakfast
I'm gonna start a line soft drinks called Stockton Crush....Each can will feature a picture of a smiling Stockton with his famous quote underneath: "You are remembered by the rules you break"......Available in eight implosively, exhilarating flavors....Blueberry Burst, Lemon Hubris, Arrogant Grape, Narcissistic Lime, Orange Psychopathy, Chocolate Idiocy, Titanic Cranberry and our absolute favorite; Strawberry Slime................Available for only 250 000 a case........Feel the Rush...Feel the Crush.............Stockton Crush: Bet you can't drink more then one!......
And then people can conduct that cool experiment where you put the can on the stove then move the empty can to a bowl of ice water and it implodes. It would be best if the can looked like the Titan 🏴☠️
Stockton Rush's huge ego prevented him from taking advice from specialists who knew better. He bought the carbon fiber from an airline who couldn't use it for a plane because it was so old
During COVID News companies found out that having a timer counting down or a counter going up is a easy way to get people to stay watching, that's the reason they were so quick to spread the idea that they were trapped and time is running out
the issue was it is wireless and there was no real backup control system. often the dives were canceled because the wireless system failed to function due to the computer system glitching out.
I feel like it's pretty unfair to the Olympic series to say that Oceangate made the same mistakes as the Titanic. The Titanic hadn't been notified of flaws anywhere near as many times as Oceangate had. They hadn't watched test versions buckle only to continue with the same design. They had redundancies! There were 16 watertight compartments, it's just that they were made of a metal that we know now were particularly sensitive to changes in temperature, becoming easier to damage in the cold. The Titanic DID comply with safety standards, because it was assumed at the time that lifeboats were intended to be used to ferry back and forth between a damaged and potentially sinking (but very very slowly) ship, rather than to flee it. "Only" 30 people (of 1066) died when the Britannic sank at least in part because they made changes after the Titanic sank.
There is nothing tragic about this whatsoever. Those 5 people onboard were the most equipped people on the planet to know that they were climbing into a death trap. Not only were they publicly warned for years on a constant basis, they could have easily afforded private, expert opinion, and they did. Those experts also warned them that this tube was a poorly constructed death trap. But they chose to listen to a hobbyist CEO who built the submersible not only using improper materials, but EXPIRED improper materials. This was a comedy. It was avoidable at countless turns, and at none of them did these titans of industry (and one nepo baby) stop and think "hey, maybe these countless experts are onto something. Edit: I forgot about the whole search for survivors lol. "We hear banging!" The only bang anyone heard was the sub imploding to the size of a basketball, crushing everyone inside faster than the shitty gamepad could disconnect.
Even aside from all the other failures, it's hilarious that they painted the sub white. Literally the worst colour to try and spot if it had been floating somewhere on the sea's surface as it'd be indistinguishable from churned water. Really proves that Stockton seemed to want to choose tech style branding over actual safety.
I’m still seeing tech bro RU-vidrs trying to claim that all of this was still innovation. Apparently the word innovation Now means, if you can manage to do something a handful of times, it’s a proven technology. Hey, I dropped this glass on the ground and it didn’t break, therefore this glass must be shatter proof, oh, what would you know, the next time I dropped it? It broke, innovation bro!
I think on its own the idea of being able to make a safe submersible with much cheaper components and less complex controls would've been an incredible boon to deep sea exploration. But if Rush had really wanted to prove that what he was doing was innovation, he should've sent Cyclops and Titan to be certified/tested next to industry standard submersibles. Innovating a piece of technology is done by finding a better way to achieve the same end result, including with the same reliability. Instead, Rush used "innovator" in place of calling himself a maniac.
2:22 The 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph, in addition to being false (none of the organizations referenced there were actually involved in the development of the Titan), is missing the word "with". It's an error that speaks volumes to me. They either did not proofread their brochure's text before posting it (or printing it, as the case may be), or they did and missed the mistake. It betrays such sloppiness and lack of attention to detail. Who in their right mind would trust these people with their lives?
First time watcher. I never would of expected you to be a drama RU-vidr, you come off naturally as a presenter of good information and entertaining too. I’ll keep my eyes peeled, good luck on your next chapter.
That's really nice to hear honestly, thank you. I'll probably still do a little drama and commentary moving forward, but thoroughly enjoying doing these mockumentary things too for now
I loved this video Moocake! Your commentary and in-depth look into Ocean and the Titan Submarine incident was amazing. The key things to take away are that it’s important to listen to other people’s concerns and always prioritize safety over ambition. Also, idiocy is EVERYWHERE and can be dangerous.
Just wanted to give you some feedback as a new viewer to your channel. I’ve watched a lot about this subject and really enjoyed your style of storytelling, the added commentary and well researched video. I look forward to your next deep dive!
I feel like Stockton Rush was a very smart man who ended up on the wrong side of a Dunning-Kruger curve. There are places and situations where regulations are probably a little too stringent and the consequences of catastrophic failure are fairly minimal. The deep ocean is not one of those places.
There was a really good quote from James Cameron in one of his interviews about Titan; he said something along the lines of "you have to be really really familiar and confident with the box before you step out of it. Agree 100%, I reckon he thought he was 20 levels higher than he was
@@Monkeyboy2457 It's like when comedians who play musical instruments badly for comedic effect, have to actually be really good at playing the instrument to begin with, to make the joke work.
Anyone who knows about pressure, tensile strength and just in general the engineering required to withstand a vast amount of pressure SHOULD know that carbon fiber is NOT a good material, no matter what you do to it, compared to what’s available. There’s a reason there are no carbon fiber submersibles, at least not ones that go any meaningful depth. Also, going down to the titanic is about as hard or harder than going to space and extremely expensive to fund. It’s just ridiculous. I remember as soon as I heard the depth and the material the hull was made of, I knew they imploded. Also it pissed me off people were more worried about this rich bunch than the 700 migrants on a ship that capsized.
One thing that stood out to me during the period where nobody knew if the passengers were still alive or not was how everyone on the internet was arguing about whether or not it was okay to be happy that a bunch of multimillionaires were killed by their own hubris. There were two major camps, one which said it was wrong to delight in anyone’s death even if they weren’t good people, and the other which argued that mega wealthy people are the worst people in the world and the source of so much suffering that their deaths were a net positive for humanity. And ultimately there seemed to be a loose consensus that the French researcher and the 19 year old son didn’t deserve to die, but good riddance for Stockton Rush, the oil tycoon, and the private airline magnate. …It was an odd time, to be sure.
I feel like Rush had a fundamental misunderstanding of physics: for one, that air and water are different and require different materials to deal with, and for another, the properties of carbon fiber. Carbon fiber, when laminated in layers with additional structural reinforcement, is stronger than steel, but I feel like he heard "stronger than steel" and ran with that rather than considering its other properties and limitations. As you mentioned, it's strong in tension, not in compression. That makes it a great material for airplanes because the air in the plane's hull is of a higher pressure than the air outside of it. The air is literally stretching and pressing outward against the carbon composite. It's not meant to be pressed IN on, and the material as it's used for aircraft sure isn't meant to be submerged.
Nope. No fog that night. It was a moonless windless night, very dark with no waves breaking on the base of the iceberg. Really hard to spot in time without binoculars. But the foot on the gas pedal really did the trick.
@@HumanHamCubeAs far as I heard, the man in charge of the key to the lockbox in the lookout chose to stay behind in Belfast. They did have binoculars, they just had no way of getting to them. Besides, they'd likely have hit something anyway. Oceanliner Designs made a video of what the ice field they sailed through really looked like, and between the pitch blackness, the still waters, and the literal hundreds of icebergs, Captain Smith's only right call would have been to stop for the night, like other ships in the area had. The Captain of the Carpathia straight up said something other than him must've had their hand on the helm that night, because it was a miracle she didn't strike a berg herself on the way to rescue the survivors.
@@HumanHamCube Nope; the binoculars were on the ship. They knew EXACTLY where the binoculars were, too; they simply didn't want to break open the locker and get them out. First Officer Blair kept the key (accident? souvenir?) got off Titanic at Southampton.
I knew as soon as news broke of that implosion of the hull had taken place. I remember talking about this with Submariner long time before this happened. He said somethink like this "That things a lotto ticket of death. Yes a carbon fibre hull will work, but over time it will fail"
I love how everyone said banging sounds. They were dead inmediatily. The banging sounds were confirmed as non human. It was an animal or something clashing on. A ship. They chose to hope for the banging sounds and ignore the implosion sounds that also were recorded😂😂. What could possible implode at that depth lol. Giving familys false hope.
First time I've come across your content and I appreciate your concise delivery. One video a month, one video a year, it's all the same to me. I _always_ appreciate creators that create content for the sake of creating content. Once your art becomes work it tends to have a _corporate_ veneer.
"why was this allowed" I mean, if a group of people want to do something incredibly dumb and dangerous, they should be allowed to. They are adults after all.
This was really good! I love the combo of information and humor. I would love to see more of your commentary. As I learned about the Titan and Stockton Rush, i couldn't believe how many warnings from intelligent people he just blew off, not to mention him picking things up at the local home Depot for his projects. You said all the things I felt.
I honestly didn't believe that the sub was piloted by a controller. Even when official sources confirmed it, I thought it was a joke or something. Now it's finally starting to sink in that this multi-million-dollar submarine was piloted by an outdate controller, wirelessly at that. My god, how do you fail upwards?
Freedom includes the ability to do stupid things, like build a submarine of carbon fiber and use an off-brand gaming controller to control it. If that's how you want to check out, that's on you. The last thing we need is more laws.
I totally agree with you on this very important point. Bloody government uses situations like these to take away freedoms under the guise of safety. I hate big government esp when they keep overreaching. Thanks for your comment, Mark!
2023 -- the mistake of Ocean Gate's Titan submersible must never happen again. 2003 -- the mistake of the Space Shuttle Columbia launch must never happen again. 1986 -- the mistake of the Space Shuttle Challenger launch must never happen again. 1940 -- the mistake of the Maginot Line must never happen again. 1588 -- the mistake of the Spanish Armada must never happen again.
I keep seeing creators lambasting stuff like the carbon fiber hull and game controller as flat-out stupid, when in fact that isn't the case at all: it's only context that makes them bad. Carbon fiber has a lot of advantages, but it also has a lot of risks and OceanGate did nothing to mitigate those risks (e.g. basic safety testing). Game controllers and touchscreens are very intuitive (one of the most useful properties for a control system), but need to be supplemented with more reliable redundant controls (again, for safety reasons). "Moving fast and breaking things" is a perfectly fine way to do RnD, but only as long as there are no humans aboard.
Now that I think about it, those banging noises could have been the wreck of the sub hitting the ocean floor or something. Kinda depressing, but they were really deep.
Using a game controller isn't a bad idea on the surface. Game controllers are made to be extremely responsive, quick, and easy to use. And even for a submersible, this is likely still true. The issue is simply that it is too fast and too easy to use. In a video game, sneezing at the wrong moment can send you off a cliff, but it's a game, no big deal. But with highly dangerous machinery, any slight mistake can mean instant death for real. Sometimes engineers purposefully make machines slow and difficult to operate purely to force operators to think carefully about every tiny action and make every tiny action almost painfully precise. In a game, one button will launch a missile. But in real life, a user must consider this decision much more carefully, because anything from the missile being loaded wrong to the missile being aimed at the wrong angle could be catastrophic.
@@newhavencon-py5yy I 100% think even he had to come to this conclusion and compromise based on the 3D printed extensions he seems to have added to the analog sticks, and that on top of whatever software side. He was delusional and a moron but doesn't mean he didn't map or set any settings between controller and machines
Fun fact: Something like 90% of historic pictures and videos of Titanic are actually of her sister ship, Olympic. You see, Olympic was launched first, and was a big deal, so journalists and photographers took a lot of photos of her. Titanic was the second born, and looked almost identical, and thus there was no novelty anymore, and thus no so much interest among the press. However, after the disaster the demand for photos and footage of Titanic skyrocketed. Problem was, there was very little of it. Thus, a huge amount of photos and footage of Olympic was used as "the Titanic", because they looked almost identical. There are many photos and even some film where the name "Olympic" on the side of the ship has been crudely removed. So when you see historic photos of the Titanic, chances are it's actually the Olympic.
I don't know why but that Oceangate story facinated me (in an infuriating way) and I've watched countless videos on the subject. This one is the best of all. Hats off for the awesome work done here !
watched the whole thing and I agree with you completely on what you said in the footnote section. drama gets boring and I would much rather watch a 40+ min video about some historical event like the oceangate tragedy (I was wondering what exactly happened then so this was a great watch) rather than a 10-ish minute video on some bullshit celebrity or worse - an influencer. I support you and am looking forward to the next video, whenever it's uploaded :D also the video looks great! the shots filmed in that office also had great sound so great that's improved :D
There was no fog when Titanic sank. It was an usually clear night. There wasn't even any haze. It was just too dark. The only reason they "saw" the iceberg was the fact that there was a small black spot on the horizon where there were no stars on that little spot. Even then, they could only see the "tip" of the iceberg (pun intended) on the horizon. They also only "saw" the bastard chunk of ice when it was 900 feet away and not over 1300 feet+ as claimed during the inquiry, because if they had the performance of the Olympic Class would have been able to clear the in with room to spare. There are so many myths that the average person believes. Like the rudder being too small. it was not too small. When HMS Olympic went through her sea trials, when her engines were thrown into full astern and the rudder thrown hard over, she (Olympic) began to turn immediately. She was found to actually be a bit more nimble than had been designed. When taken into account, the only way Titanic could have suffered the damage she did, they would have only have been able to see the iceberg at only a ship's length. Any closer and it would have hit pretty much head on. Any further and it would have missed. At a ship's length, they would not have been able to slow the engines enough to be able engage those reversing motors so there was no "turbulent" water affecting the rudder's performance. What people just do not seem catch/notice is the fact that when the tiller was turned hard to port in order to swing the stern around, Titanic responded almost instantly, and by then, the engines probably would have been starting to speed up to full asterm. Even then with the supposedly "turbulent" water moving across the rudder, the ship still turned very quickly. Sorry for the long rant, but as somone that has studied Titanic since I wis 7 years old ( I'm now 41) I make it a point to educate people on the truth of what happened. Basically it was The White Star Line trying to blame the ship's performance and not the performance of Captain Edward J. Smith. It is hilariously sad when people who have only ever seen the movie post myths seen in the movie as fact and actually claim to be "experts" on the subject when if is clear they Iknow jack-shite.
In defense of the Titanic, it's designers and crew. It was one of the best built ships of it's time. Only through hindsight can you throw shade at the Titanic story in my opinion. There are very few things that they did that would have been considered wrong by the standards of the day. This isn't like the sinking of the Concordia or the Ferry Sewol which are accidents caused by crew negligence combined with poor maintenance, and bad engineering decisions Sewol being a painful one to swallow after the Brick Immortar's two part series on that sinking makes it hard to trust officials in any capacity let alone ship operators. Oceangate is a whole different beast entirely.
@@john.t645 You're going to have to qualify that statement. What exactly is it about the colossal waste of tax money that is EJ's latest attempt to become a SciFi space villain that makes it _not_ a glorified firework?
@233kosta what's the entire point of having a government space program or anything at all for that matter then? It's a waste of money, right? You're a luddite.
you didn't go in depth. You regurgitated the basics that everyone heard when it happened. You didn't discuss actual failure mechanisms, or any other hidden details that people could have missed.
"fog" there was no fog on the night the titanic sank, I know it's not the main focus of the video but it's very well documented that it was a clear and calm night, moonless, titanic sank due to a cold water mirage interfering with the horizon and the only light being the stars that night.
Dude please please don't have super loud music simultaneously playing while talking in a video. I'm sure this video was great and had a lot of work put into it, but it was too hard to listen to with how the audio levels are mixed.
Being remembered for the rules you break I think is my favourite ill-aged quip from Stockton. He didn't see the irony behind the fact that door swings both ways. You can be remembered for breaking a rule, but not only because it pays off. Some serve as reminders why rules exist in the first place.
Some scouts at a summer camp I went to and worked at managed to slip a ocean gate "themed" skit past the adults. It was hilarious, the scouts loved it, and the adults never got the reference.
To clarify something further, as soon as the load stops being pure tension *in the direction of the fibres* , like you said, the strength of the fibres counts for nothing. At that point, the only thing holding the part together is the epoxy resin. When you subject your pressure hull to the buckling load I mentioned in my other comment, you've now created a condition where certain parts of the material are in compression and others are in tension, but the tension is in the completely wrong direction! It's trying to pull the layers of fibres apart, and due to the way the cylinder was built (they just wound it around a cylinder, no cross-bracing), there was absolutely NOTHING other than the epoxy holding those layers attached to each other. They splay apart like a bad FDM job under a bit of load. On top of that, the huge thickness of the cylinder creates shear stress. Per the name, that's stress from trying to slide one layer along the surface of another. They do this, because as soon as the buckling mode begins, different diameter layers will try to move by different amounts. Again, the only thing resisting it is the epoxy, which at the same time is already resisting the tension trying to splay the layers apart. That's how delamination occurs. Little by little, crack by crack. You can hear those too, by the way. The big ones are quite loud. And the damage is cumulative. Every localised delamination weakened the whole. Until the inevitable happened.
@@Kyle-sr6jm Yikes! I was not aware of that part... For someone with an engineering degwee, this guy had ZERO concept of how badly nature is trying to kill us.
If the hull isn't transparent and you're just looking at the ocean through a screen what's even the point ? Might as well stay on the surface and look at the exact same computer display the people in the ship sub are looking at, but from the safety and comfort of your room.
First time coming across your RU-vid channel and I must say bravo! This video was brilliant and the research you put into it was displayed from beginning to end. Your banter is amazing and I can’t wait for the next one!
The warning bells in my head when you said "bought in a hardware store" and the "it should/shouldn't do X" You NEVER buy stuff for regular people if you want to go 4Km deep in the ocean! You have to be SURE something will work/hold/do it's job. Uncertainty in the "is should/it shouldn't" is the most massive redflag ever!
