The Magical Negroes of Stephen King

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When looking at Stephen King's oeuvre you see that some of his most popular works contain Magical Negroes and/or some sort of non-white mysticism.
Now before anyone starts-I AM NOT CALLING KING RACIST-in fact, every book I'm going to mention is one I really enjoy.
That is why this topic is of interest to me.
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Sources:
(1) The Power of Black Magic: The Magical Negro and White Salvation in Film
Cerise L. Glenn and Landra J. Cunningham Journal of Black Studies
Vol. 40, No. 2 (Nov., 2009), pp. 135-152 (18 pages) www.jstor.org/stable/40282626
(2) Playboy Interview with King: scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/...
(3) Between Colorblind and Colorconscious: Contemporary Hollywood Films and Struggles Over Racial Representation
Jason Smith Journal of Black Studies
Vol. 44, No. 8 (NOVEMBER 2013), pp. 779-797 (19 pages) www.jstor.org/stable/24572892
(4)The Excavation of American Indian Burial Sites: A Problem in Law and Professional Responsibility
Lawrence Rosen American Anthropologist
New Series, Vol. 82, No. 1 (Mar., 1980), pp. 5-27 (23 pages) www.jstor.org/stable/676125
(5) BEHIND THE SCENES OF “THE SHINING” WITH SCATMAN CROTHERS
scrapsfromtheloft.com/movies/...
(6)
filmschoolrejects.com/indian-...
Links:
(7) strangehorizons.com/non-fictio...

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@redactedredacted6656 2 года назад

I have huge issues with perfect victim characters in fiction due to the fact people get mad or feel no empathy for real victims because they're flawed or did bad things like all people have.

@clsisman 2 года назад

Yeah It reminds me of all the times I've seen the media say that [black victim of police murder] was "no angel" as if that's the only case in which it's wrong to murder someone with no due process. A fatal flaw is considered the most traditional and quintessential ingredient in constructing the protagonist of any tragedy or horror but white authors are too guilty to humanise their black characters this way.

@jellophant9716 2 года назад

I agree with the second part of your statement. When I saw people saying "Fentanyl" Floyd online it drove me up a fucking wall. When it comes to writing fiction though, things get fuzzier. Characters can be anything from real people to placeholders for ideas. When you're a white author with life experience it is the more rounded thing to present a flawed and feeling, caring person obviously. But when you want to get a message across it is difficult because someone like King wanted his white audience to realize that no matter how gentle and good a man is, even if a higher power himself almost seems to have given Coffy angel like powers, Coffy is will still suffer because of how the system works. Coffy did nothing but obey authorities and mind his own business and he still got the raw end.

@based_prophet 2 года назад

Most pp don't have movie reactions and you got to limit the ability of the camera lighting n camera view so TV does show more emotion because ppl r like 2 feet away to 6 inches

@Gurl-5150 2 года назад

King tends to not do the "perfect" characters and I appreciate that. Dean Koontz on the other hand....

@LaneMaxfield 2 года назад

I think that's one of the special things about Squid Game. Not to overhype it, but every character has this big, messy flaw and yet your heart breaks for sooooooooo many of them. It goes to show that you can make people feel empathy for victims who are far, far, faaaar from perfect.

@HulaHoopQueen 2 года назад

As a Black Stephen King fan, this video hit the spot for me. It would be hilarious to write a story about a Black Magical Negro who gets fed up with helping and see how everyone else reacts.

@UnderfedShmuck Год назад

This is an incredible idea

@HulaHoopQueen Год назад

@@UnderfedShmuck I forgot about this comment! I'll add this concept to my future writing project ideas. I can see our BMN saying something along the lines of "I'm tired of fixing everything for y'all. Heal your own damn babies!"

@sarahkorinnetulley6130 Год назад

I loved the Ballad of Black Tom, by Victor LaValle. It's a retake on Lovecraft. At the end, I love how his revenge feels vindicated and justified.

@Moszan Год назад

I would like to see this with the Jackass Genie trope.

@gothicanimegirl44 Год назад

@@HulaHoopQueen if you do ever write it update this post I'm sure we would all love to support you in this creation. Wz

@xxbrowniebabyxx 2 года назад

"The Green Mile" wasn't meant to be a race horror story but when you describe the trauma felt by John Coffee being trapped in the role I can't help being reminded of "Get Out". John Coffee represents the genuine fears of a black person being in that situation. It then becomes too real.

@anatrindade8446 2 года назад

wait has Stephen King ever said it wasnt? it might have been naive of me but ive always assumed racism was a purposeful theme, a main one at that, it being the story of a falsely accused black man in a prisional system that disproportionately affects black people

@anatrindade8446 2 года назад

rereading my comment i feel a bit stupid. the main character is a white man and his dillemas are the focus of the story and john serves an almost acessory role in it. i understand now why it isnt

@Eckendenker 2 года назад

@@anatrindade8446 It's a fiery tale about the injustice of capital punishment according to himself. The race issue is more like a time and location setting thing I guess.

@anatrindade8446 2 года назад

@@Eckendenker it just seems tone deaf to make a story about the prisional system and capital punishment where race is just an "accessory" or an "accident". I thought the connection between the two was so obvious I just assumed race was meant to be a theme. But if it was it definitely wouldn't be the best way to approach the topic I dont think

@Eckendenker 2 года назад

@@anatrindade8446 I agree. I am not from the US, but I think the choice was made for an american audience to have a realistic idea what injust state run murder would be like. John is a believable victim, because he is black, but other than that there is not much racism talked about in the books (and movie). In germany it obviously would be another story. I think when I read it as a teen I didn't catch the race angle at all and I read it more like a mentally handicapped person being on death row, because no one cares enough to bother. The movie made the vooodoo connections and stuff much clearer.

@elizabethbryce4283 2 года назад

The Help pissed me off the most. Skeeter was sad that her maid wasn’t waiting for her when she got back from college. It’s a whole tragedy that she went home because she was too old. But like….. the lady got to go home and die surrounded by her family. Why was it supposed to be the biggest tragedy that she wasn’t there to console Skeeter when she needed her? 😒

@GraveyardMaiden Год назад

One thing you have to keep in mind the maids basically raised their employer's kids, so not to have the parental figure around does explain why she is sad. That said The Help does have problematic stuff in it even given it was written with good intentions

@elizabethbryce4283 Год назад

@@GraveyardMaiden no, I totally understand that. Doesn’t mean that the Big Sad of the movie has to be that the white girl didn’t have her maid to console her when the maid was 104 and got to be with her family. I’d be sad, too, but I would be thankful she could be with her family and not subservient until the absolute end of her days. I see your point, though. Not trying to argue. Just saying it hit the wrong notes for what it was trying to be

@GraveyardMaiden Год назад

@@elizabethbryce4283 tbh very understandable, and could have been written in a way that better conveyed grief of not being able to say goodbye or pay respects to her parental figure.

@elizabethbryce4283 Год назад

@@GraveyardMaiden well, the fact that she kind of expected this person to wait around for her forever when she had her own actually family to get back to was kind of a lot.

@GraveyardMaiden Год назад

@@elizabethbryce4283 Yeah, like tbh I think the real source of conflict there came from her mom not telling her and writing off the maid as unimportant, but it was rather dumb for Skeeter to think she'd be around forever and not go retire

@rodneykelly8768 2 года назад

"The Magical Negroe" is the most commonly used trope used when a writer wants to show undervalued people as having worth. Other examples are the prostitute with a heart of gold, and the homeless person who used to be some one. The "Homeless Person, Who Received the Congressional Medal of Honor," is popular on cop shows. Used to a lesser extent are the illegal immigrant, the paroled convict, and the orphan.

@Excelsior1937 2 года назад

Someone else in these comments was talking about how when you look at real cases of people facing attacks from police/other oppressive institutions, the same people who will empathize with the victims in stories like these will be like “look he was no angel” when talking about the flawed victim. Makes you wonder if people would learn to be more empathetic if these victim characters were as 3 dimensional as other characters.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

@@Excelsior1937 haha no. Then they would just say “well, they kind of deserved it, didn’t they?,” when reading the book. The thing that generates empathy is the idea of unjust punishment, same as in real life.

@FernandoTorrera 2 года назад

Also older women

@dblack8141 2 года назад

Cognative dissonance is where narcissist ic egos project their racial views blame shift and vurtue signal. Hollywood eliists who owned and misused black slaves promote blameshifting and virtue signaling. The left arr perenniel victims who abuse people. Cognative dissonance . these same orewllians created a "METHOD" with the title to confuse/conceal their narcasistic projection

@joker6558 2 года назад

@@dblack8141 ah, yes. The classic “the libtards are the REAL racists.” Trope. Gotta stop watching so much prager U. It’s not a real university, my guy.

@LostCommenter7 2 года назад

How someone looked at Billy Porter in the new Cinderella and didn't give pause to how this would look is frankly shocking to me. A Magical Black Person meets Sassy Gay Friend in a truly terrifying combination of hack writing tropes. Great video as always Princess.

@yamamatoonice 2 года назад

yesss and he has a history of not really caring as long as his voice is heard. Like when he won an award for pose he didn't mention the the trans women that worked with him ( they make the show good tbh). When he was asked about he basically said it was "his" moment and he knows that they know where his heart is. He is a throwing rocks hiding hands kind of person. He is a phenomenal actor don't get me wrong but he feeds in those stereotypes even for white media. Plus the movie was awful.

@CostumedFiend_Audio 2 года назад

I wasn't going to watch it for a number of reasons, one of which it being described as a "post me too" version of the story, but what Melina described sounds worse than I thought it would be 😬

@lkeke35 2 года назад

That’s a great catch! I like Porter but you’re right. This is a horrible mesh of tropes!

@superhetoric 2 года назад

it was truly the most egregious issue of the film imo

@HotCocoBangbang 2 года назад

I couldn't articulate why Billy being cast in that role bothered me so much, but you put words to my feelings and you are absolutely right.

@KR-ue1gd Год назад

The UTI-healing scene cracked me up, because it reminded me of yet another trope: the "magical healing c*ck", which is when a character with deep emotional scars or other issues experiences a turnaround and healing after having sex with the male character. I think TV tropes has an entry about it.

@harpsinclairmusic Год назад

That Sxual healing

@Ashbrash1998 Год назад

Ah Twilight, I've heard the version of how magical healing 🐈 will heal the bad boys trauma

@armondtanz Год назад

Ruined brokeback mountain for me.

@taylorscrews2284 Год назад

I’m not familiar with this trope.

@DeeDaKaang1 Год назад

1 🙋🏾‍♂️ question..... Did you just make that 💩 up???

@RevertedRashidah 2 года назад

I just want everyone to know what a genuinely cool guy Michael Clark Duncan was. I’m so glad that I got to know him even a tiny little bit. He was *so* immensely talented and still goes underrated. I really truly hope he’s resting in peace.

@tez228 Год назад

so lovely 🥺

@o.m9514 9 месяцев назад

Wasn’t she sacked?

@crishnaholmes7730 7 месяцев назад

@@o.m9514who

@crishnaholmes7730 7 месяцев назад

How did you meet him

@Ave_humanity676 6 месяцев назад

They mad im a white boy. Lmao hot please hate me.

@kazza6078 2 года назад

"I'm gonna tell my kids that this was the Falcon and the Winter Soldier" that made me laugh so so hard

@seemoret 2 года назад

Awesome video.

@MattBeebeMusic 2 года назад

I FUCKING CACKLED AT THAT LMFAO

@MaricaAmbrosius 2 года назад

What Marvel movies lack is a magical Caucasian.

@TheNumnutRandomness 2 года назад

@@MaricaAmbrosius Doctor Strange has got it, right down to the ancient magicks 😩

@WitchVuaBE06 2 года назад

How sista act 2 isnt on this list ? Just asking yall get mad i didnt say it cuz i do not care that much

@Mahikankwe 2 года назад

Thank you for talking about ‘‘indian burial ground” tropes! Even as a child i always hated seeing this trope in horror movies, my ancestors spirits would never turn evil and haunt people 😅 and i hate it when they take our legends and appropriate and change it to fit their stories. ( also, we have the same name!)

@amityislandchum 2 года назад

That trope is so awful, because it's such a White Guilt trope -- the white characters are being punished for the genocide and desecration of indigenous people -- but it's never ever explored as any sort of historical or judicial commentary. It's just a spooky obstacle for the white family to overcome (or be killed by). White Guilt tropes are always the fucking worst.

@moustik31 2 года назад

That's the Greatest White People's Fear ever: being the victims of BIPOC wronged in the past. 🙄

@mammoneymelon 2 года назад

i hate that trope so much, it's both a massive White Guilt™ trope and perpetuates the idea that native americans are some different species of magical people lmao plus, they do the whole "all native americans are the same" bullshit as if every nation doesn't have it's own culture, traditions, and beliefs, AND it reinforces the idea of native americans as some ancient but gone civilizations, like we're not still *here*

@StreetHierarchy 2 года назад

It's overused, but I think it works well as a metaphor for the United States.

@danielsgarden9283 2 года назад

Yeah, and stop calling them Indians also since they are natives. I see why it’s used in movies such as the shining as it’s a metaphor for America’s greed and racism and some infer it’s about the slater of the native population but yeah.

@slim420MM 6 месяцев назад

Mother Abigail was so magical she managed to transport herself into The Matrix as The Oracle.

@greenqueen2673 5 месяцев назад

Huh? Ruby Dee played Mother Abigail in the original Stand movie whereas Gloria Foster (and Mary Alice) played the Oracle in the Matrix.

@stufffstufffington 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for pointing out the differences with Halloran's character in the book. He was clearly the hero of that story and the movie did him dirty. I'm in the minority of people who don't generally care for Kubrick's work and I absolutely agree with Stephen King's take on the film. Kubrick's film had a lot of really awesome visual elements and camerawork, the elevator of blood, Danny riding his bike, etc., but the story was worse off overall. There were elements I can excuse not including because they probably couldn't have pulled it off convincingly with the tech at the time (the hedge animals, and the fire-hoses which scared the shit out of me for some reason), but there's also plenty he could have done better, and Halloran is the biggest one.

@askiabilal3845 5 месяцев назад

Kubrick is subversive. He takes a source material and injects his own themes into it, which can upset people when he doesn't seem to be faithful to the source material. For example, it's been suggested that he uses the Shining to explore themes of child/sex abuse in the subtext. I heard that the way Kubrick portrayed the wife was also quite different than King intended.

@bigaliceenergy7578 2 года назад

I think King's work is a great source of discussion for this trope. He's so sincere that inevitably you do have to consider what the lack of agency his highly emotionally intelligent characters have. The myth of model minority is alienating, and to approach others as if they will never act in their own self interest is dehumanizing. This is horror- a genre deep in themes mortality, morality, and otherness. It's not like we can't not talk about it.

@dragonsmith9012 2 года назад

White characters also have the shining. I guess that makes them white saviors even when they're literally the villain who gets defeated.☹

@lkeke35 2 года назад

Well said!

@christopher6547 2 года назад

@EmbleerHomba What's (HF)? I was able to figure out what the rest meant by googling, but not that part.

@JoshSweetvale 2 года назад

20th century writing doesn't have- Actually no, fuck that. Conan Doyle and fucking _Shakespeare_ had this 'not being a bigot' shit down. Know how write things that aren't bigoted? *By not being a bigot.*

@YawnGod 2 года назад

I wonder what happens to White culture when this demographic of characters is no longer seen as magical.

@deanscordilis7280 2 года назад

Everything I’ve learned about Cinderella 2021 has been against my will

@JessicaRuiz323 2 года назад

HAHAHA bruuuuhhhhhh no kidding

@JoeMama-tw6gu 2 года назад

my french teacher played the french dub of cinderella 2021 in class so i had to see the majority of the movie against my will 😭😭

@bretthines1020 Год назад

“If we just chained Black men and White men together…” LOL I shot coffee on that one. Great insights! The Defiant Ones is also good because it broke that skin to skin contact barrier so many Whites feared in the 1950s. Plus, I love Sidney Poitier and Tony Curtis. It is worth watching once.

@rasheedjamal9091 Год назад

Did you know in the Heat of the Night was banned in theaters in the south and some out west?

@julietfischer5056 7 месяцев назад

@@rasheedjamal9091- I can imagine. A Black man who is intelligent, resourceful, and doesn't cringe in the presence of white people? Who slapped a white asshat back? As one of the characters pointed out, the police chief could have shot him for that. And he solved the case.

@maximilianoperugini1268 5 месяцев назад

That actually happened.. in Ancient Rome :D

@pythonkatie1985 2 года назад

I always assumed King's portrayal of women and POC being less in depth was because he didn't have either of those identities and didn't want to misrepresent them. I'm just glad that he acknowledges that he isn't without flaws as we all are.

@julietfischer5056 7 месяцев назад

He can always ask his wife or any other women he knows, but even then he can't know in his gut.

@sixfeetunder...5174 7 месяцев назад

@@julietfischer5056Luckly he got a lot better in his recent books

@limaxim 7 месяцев назад

@@julietfischer5056He had asked his wife to help write stuff in the past and it’s just as bad as if he wrote it himself. Women can be misogynistic too.

@thayloblue 6 месяцев назад

@@julietfischer5056 I used to believe it was impossible for a man to write women in a totally convincing way or vice versa, until I read "She's Come Undone" by Wally Lamb, a novel about a woman's life, youth to adulthood, written by a man. It was like he just understood so thoroughly what that experience was like, it was totally as if the story was a real biography written by a woman, down to every action, thought, and feeling. Human beings, black, white, man, woman, whatever are so much more similar that we think, and if a writer has basic empathy and is willing to do some research, I see no reason why they shouldn't be capable of writing any character they want convincingly. Characters should be written as people first, other identities come second to that, like I feel like you can tell when a man writes a "Woman Character" rather than a character that is a woman. I think it more comes down to empathizing with others and reading about their experiences than knowing it in your gut, because every human has known at least some fear, parental instinct, compassion, prejudice etc. in their life. Maybe not as much as parental instinct as a mother or as much fear as a refugee, but enough to be able to amplify those feelings and accurately and thoroughly portray these characters in fiction, and making excuses as to why it's impossible for them to do so just facilitates bad writing.

@McSnezzly 6 месяцев назад

He did write Lisey’s Story and dedicated it to his wife iirc. It’s about the wife of a famous author and dealing with the bs (and later horror) that comes with it

@DS-wp2dj 2 года назад

The scariest part of The Shining is the treatment of the cast

@MK-jx2lu 2 года назад

What happened with Shelley Duvalle was monstrous.

@Wawagirl17 2 года назад

@@MK-jx2lu This is why I'm so extremely hesitant to watch the film. I'm usually pretty good at "separating the art from the artist" if whatever bad thing the writer / director / actor did has nothing whatsoever to do with the piece of media I'm watching, but knowing what I do about HOW some of this was made, I feel like that's all I'll be thinking about when watching this movie. I almost wish I didn't know.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

@@Wawagirl17 after watching the movie, I can confirm that whatever Kubrick did was definitely worth it. Amazing performance from miss Duvall.

@nah_. 2 года назад

What happened?

@BatmanuelTheCactus 2 года назад

@@nah_. here's a good video on it if you've got the time ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yr65ZIWoD6c.html

@eliburry-schnepp6012 2 года назад

John Coffey seems like he could have been a really interesting point of view character if he had his own story. As an autistic person who sometimes struggles with hyperempathy, the idea of someone in his circumstances with those powers who feels exhausted by feeling so much of people’s pain sounds much more interesting to me than a prison guard learning not to kill Black people on behalf of the state.

@dread-cthulu 2 года назад

My son is also autistic, at the mere inkling that a person or creature may be suffering, he immediately breaks down in to tears.

@talesofthechrysalis 2 года назад

Great post. And I apologize but the whole notion of “hyper empathy” in world threatening to perish in broken/cold heartedness is a concept I can’t fathom. I know these are ‘medical terms’ and needed to stay safe but hyper empathy is the counter balance. What the world needs now 🤷🏾‍♀️ It’s just us here … reality is the rules we agree on

@twistysunshine 2 года назад

@@talesofthechrysalis I'm an autistic person who borders on hyperempathy at times and i do want to say it can complicate things. If a stuffed animal falls I can feel a deep need to apologize. If someone is struggling in life I have a very difficult time coping with watching that struggle, which can put me in depressive episodes that make it hard for me to take care of my own self (why should I get to shower if someone else is homeless rn? Those kinds of thoughts that really aren't healthy or logical). It can sometimes stop me from playing video games bc I get so sad about the death of a fictional enemy, even tho I love video games. I agree that society is built on cruelty, and could use some push back, but I think we all need more compassion than empathy. In my experience compassion comes with action, and empathy is just the feelings, which can be paralyzing

@pastelhotmess9299 2 года назад

I had a feeling. It makes so much sense!!

@colleenposley1084 2 года назад

Upon completing The Green Mile the first time, I kinda thought it was a bit of a disservice to the character that John Coffey was found alone. To become the man he is in the book, he would've needed keepers within the black community. Parents, family, friends, neighbors, people who knew what he could do, just SOMEBODY. I kind of refused to believe that a man like that could exist without a protective layer of community surrounding and hiding him. It was really jarring, honestly. Look, I love that book, I just wonder if having someone standing in his corner would've made him a better character to read. And if you haven't seen the miniseries remake of The Shining, do so. Much more like the book, though there's a bit of unfortunate CGI.

@natashaavital8713 2 года назад

I find it interesting that King says he can't write good women characters, since I find him one of the few male writers who can actually write well rounded women. I also love the fact that in The Stand he shows how dangerous "nice guys" are

@mollieephobia Год назад

i think he writes pretty good female characters because i don’t see him ever doing a trope where the woman is one shaped and only serves to help the male character. he’s most likely fearful of miswriting women struggles but i think he does a better job then most.

@StrangelyCrafting Год назад

@natashaavital8713 I agree, his female characters tend to have a much depth and character as his males, I was thinking of The Stand as a good example of this too. I haven't finished it and it's been a while since I've tried chunking through it but I remember a BUNCH of women having their POV explored. Also that "Nice Guy" character...makes my skin crawl to the 9th degree.

@msjademarvel1542 Год назад

I loved Franny from the stand honestly

@empanothing 11 месяцев назад

I liked Nadia in the Stand

@noctap0d 10 месяцев назад

Carrie and Dolores Claiborne are two of my favorite female characters ever. I connect to them in an un explainable level.

@jennyrodriguez811 2 года назад

I've only read about 3 Stephen King's books, and the only example I'm familiar with it's The Shinning, and the fact that Dick had to fly from Florida to Colorado to save this family seemed way more supernatural than anything else portrayed in the book.

@socialist-strong 2 года назад

so? in the video she defines the archetype as a character who assists a white lead by offering "folk wisdom" or spirituality, not necessarily full blown supernatural magic.

@megalorain 2 года назад

@k o a l oMg !! I won't go to Florida !! My mom's there and I did a few times but now ..*nope nope nope* Also for some insight check out Stephen King's "Finding your Roots" I honestly believe his family's participation in the civil war is such a source of pride for him he wants to give a place of honor in the the story. Susannah Odetta Holmes Dean or *Odetta* is the antithesis of what is being discussed. I'd love to hear thoughts on that!

@clsisman 2 года назад

In the book this is discussed though. Dick doesn't go to save a white family, he goes to save Danny who he connects with on a deep level due to their shared strong shine. Even though they've only met once, that connection causes them to think of each other a surrogate father and son. That's why I was so f*cking mad when I read the sequel and it turns out Danny didn't even bother to keep in touch as he grew up. Ungrateful little shit.

@megalorain 2 года назад

@@clsisman didn't he block some of it out? I could easily be misremembering but I thought it was like a mental block.

@lauravander 2 года назад

@lorain I think he did block it out, but Gangoo’s comment made me chuckle so I liked. The sequel was a disappointment for me on the whole, book and film both.

@KhadijaMbowe 2 года назад

...is this my new favorite video of yours? I'm out here live commenting the experience LOOOOL

@Princess_Weekes 2 года назад

Omg ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏾

@Lucianapv04 2 года назад

The best part of comments is seeing my faves interacting! Both of you are amazing ❤️

@LordfizzwigitIII 2 года назад

It's so nice to see you here, Khadija.

@CERTAIND00M 2 года назад

"I'm gonna tell my kids that this was Falcon and the Winter Soldier." Nailed it. Also, I'm dead now. Thanks!

@shinrugal 2 года назад

I was always under the impression that John Coffey wanted to die because he was a lot older than what he looked like and it was his power that kept him looking that way. There are a couple of clues to this too (the scars, his level of education (even back then he should have been more learned than he was in the story) and the fact that he had no family ( probably outlived most of them))

@moustik31 2 года назад

🤔

@stephaniewilliams6756 2 года назад

No its the pain of knowing the world sucks duh

@viddergrapho8488 11 месяцев назад

Don't do this to me. His story was already so tragic know his whole life was unimaginable suffering. 😭😭

@shinrugal 11 месяцев назад

@stephaniewilliams6756 well I would argue that that's why he passed the power on. To show him that the world is unfair. There is a huge change in the movie from the book in that the lady Tom Hanks' character is telling the story to dies suddenly in her sleep. What this does is show how terrible that power actually is ( his family has abandoned him to a nursing home, the only friendly people to him will die before him (even Mr Jingles is on his last legs) and the only person who speaks to him regularly is a orderly who bullies him at every opportunity).

@noname-gh1vr 6 месяцев назад

Also at the end of the movie mr.jingles (who he definitely gave some of his power to) was still alive. Mice never live that long and he was still up and kicking. I think he was someone who lived a very long and tragic life and he was just ready to move on.

@robinhahnsopran 2 года назад

"The Overlook Hotel, which is five billion percent haunted" I laughed so hard I spat out my tea. ✨Amazing video, as always!

@aerynstormcrow 2 года назад

Lol. On a side note, the Overlook was based on the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO. That place has more “haunting” issues that Time Life. Jim Carrey (during the filing of Dumb and Dumber) even stayed in Room 213, the room King wrote The Shining in, and couldn’t even stay one night there before he was asking to move rooms. 😂. I’ve stayed in that room and it was crazy. I took a shower and when I got out all my clothes were unpacked and put away. 🤷🏻‍♀️. We also had the door unlock and open several times as well as having the closet door known constantly start turning on its own. We examined the damn things, even taking them apart, now thing. Not rigged or anything. Idk wtf. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Anyway…was cool. Have stayed there a lot. Always weird stuff happening. Nothing scary. Just weird.

@karppiss9637 2 года назад

The way you describe a Magial Negroe is almost exactly like a description of a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, a female love inteterest who only exists to be the support for the male protagonist, to make him have character growth while she just stays a manic pixie, or usually just dissappears lol!

@chrissy3875 2 года назад

FR, very similar

@uniqueusername_ Год назад

Also similar to the gay best friend trope!

@enviisyk Год назад

It happens a lot with disabled people too I've noticed(as in, only being there to further the development of an abled protagonist, think Rain Man). A comment above put it really well, saying that writers do this with undervalued/marginalized people seem more "worthy."

@LargeInCharge77 Год назад

@@enviisyk i have to disagree, its easy to point out marginalized people filling these roles, but in reality this is just how side characters are written constantly in general.

@enviisyk Год назад

@@LargeInCharge77 yeah, but often these characters are main characters, and the second most important to the protagonist. Why should we always have to take the sidelines instead of being able to have our own stories in mainstream media.

@CounterpartJack 7 месяцев назад

I was born 5 years too late to be a boomer, but I feel like one when I watch content like this and realize how much I've missed and should have learned already. To my defense, I'm French, and I've lived in Europe my whole life. But that's about it. Thanks for making me see all I've missed, and preventing me from passing the same blindness to my daughter.

@BamPowBoom11 6 месяцев назад

Being French and living in Europe your whole life isn’t an excuse really. Just say you never had enough interest to learn more….

@CounterpartJack 6 месяцев назад

@@BamPowBoom11 I won't say that, because it's untrue. But feel free to think I'm deluded. You don't know me, I don't know you, the "defense" bit was irony and sarcasm, but feel free to take it at face value. I have my own experience with other forms of racism (at the receiving end), but it's not about me and I'm not looking for brownie point. Don't rush to judge, is all.

@atomicdancer 6 месяцев назад

Ahhh, the French.

@restlessoblivion 2 года назад

As a white dude, stuff like this used to go completely unnoticed to me. I appreciate you pointing this out and I'm trying to take note of this stuff more. Thanks for your excellent video

@smokingowly3607 Год назад

its a shame really. You probably thought, hmm what a nice man helping out, great emotional moments. Know you have to see it through the cynical eyes of intersectionality, where everything is a problem.

@coolguyjki Год назад

@@smokingowly3607 She says in the first minute that she cried watching the film and loves Stephen King. Critically examining a work doesn't necessitate that you hate it, and it's not cynical to admit that a trope might have problematic elements, or to indicate that it is in fact a trope. You can like things while being critical of them, and the fact that you can't grasp that indicates that you have the critical thinking skills of a child. That's your problem, not the problem of this magical "intersectionality" boogeyman you've conjured up.

@coolguyjki Год назад

@@smokingowly3607 Arguably, thinking critically and examining a work on a deeper level should make you appreciate it more. I know you want to consume media like it's potato chips, but some of us don't want to stare slack-jawed at our TVs. Some of us like to think of the media we consume.

@atsuneh516 Год назад

@@smokingowly3607 “where everything is a problem” the way black and other POC characters have been pushed to the side and used only to be thrown out by a white protagonist has always been a problem. If it were you, you’d be pissed about it too. Like the original commenter, it’s always existed but you’re noticing it for the first time because you privilege has blinded you. Unlike the original commenter, you’ve decided to double down and blame “the woke left” instead of critically looking at yourself, the world, and the people being effected by these harmful tropes.

@johncarver767 Год назад

Respond

@KhadijaMbowe 2 года назад

Me patiently waiting for the Astronomy club clip. there she go

@lkeke35 2 года назад

Also in the sequel to The Shining, Doctor Sleep, Halloran gets a much deeper and more interesting backstory, and is one of the few instances where he writes a sympathetic well rounded black person.

@agraciotti 5 месяцев назад

And, despite this problematic character and portrayal, it is impossible not to tear up with Michael Clark Duncan's performance. Such a powerhouse presence in this movie.

@TheKilameri 2 года назад

To be fair, he's got tons of magical whites as well.

@hazavair5755 2 года назад

The way that Maleficent 2 had a whole 'white lady is told by a PoC group that she is the Chosen One, and hey proceed to support/sacrifice for her' plot was extremely surprising, but not nearly as much as learning that apparently, there was a Maleficent 2? Am... am I losing track of time and space in film culture? Is there a live-action Aladdin 2 that came out and no one talked about it? Is that one Game of THrones prequel show out and it jsut passed by?

@liberpolo5540 Год назад

Can relate!

@ChrisBrooks34 2 года назад

Stephen King is a good author I would even go far as to say hes one of my favorite authors. But you can't ignore his magical Negroes have been dying to watch a video about this topic by someone who just seems super passionate about it and I found that person.

@Enbionic_Titan 2 года назад

YES

@lkeke35 2 года назад

I love how black women really love his writing and are willing to speak on this! For some reason he appeals to us a great deal, and it’s interesting to me that no white people have ever called out this trope. This is what I mean by white people, white critics in particular, never being able to see racial tropes that are totally obvious to PoC. This is why we need black critics.

@Enbionic_Titan 2 года назад

@@lkeke35 you are absolutely right

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

Ironically, the only reason this trope exists is because white people are afraid of being called racist. So they make pocs flawless characters on a pedestal to try to show how non racist they are. If anything this has only gotten worse nowadays.

@culturedboor 2 года назад

@@lkeke35 I must admit you are absolutely correct.

@SonofJesus14 Год назад

Stephen King is a great writer. He has a way of putting us in a different world and not wanting to get out.

@Deathbykittens11 2 года назад

As a white dude, I always had trouble putting my finger on exactly why the Green Mile bothered me so much. The moment you said how much of a horror story it SHOULD be, with Coffee being the main character, it really clicked. It should be ABOUT him, rather than a story FOR white folks. As an autistic person who has often struggled with my height and separating my feelings from others, it has always been a deeply affecting story for me, but one that is made all the more uncomfortable because of its handling of the character. Thank you for putting this into a context where I have gained greater understanding of the influential media in my life

@oogaboogatime Год назад

lol your type of white people crack me up. Y’all will sell yourself into subservience and convince yourself you’re doing the right thing 😂

@Maynard-il1yj 6 месяцев назад

You are suffering from main character syndrome. That movie was written by Steven king. It was an amazing movie. Get out was writer for and by blacks. And it was horrible

@Deathbykittens11 6 месяцев назад

@@Maynard-il1yj I didn't actually say it was a bad movie, just a flawed one. All media has flaws and critiques of them are often from a place of love for them. I quite enjoyed Get Out, but the race of Coffee is not why I think he should be the main character. I think his race is, however, why he was excluded from being the main character. Not as a conscious decision by King, but by his insulation from black culture, which I don't really blame him for. Living in rural Maine probably didn't give him many opportunities to engage with people of color. That's part of why the Internet is so awesome. You can get perspectives from all over the world, learn and grow from all the knowledge of mankind.

@Maynard-il1yj 6 месяцев назад

@@Deathbykittens11 it’s not even a flaw it’s just you wanting more out of an already amazing story. You want more, black. Which is fine, that’s your opinion not even a flaw about the movie. But yes the writer is white. And the character himself was suppose to be a mystery and it know much about him. It’s kinda like the SNL skit “we need more cow bells” … but…”we need more black!” The only black writer filmmakers I’ve seen translate “black” correctly IMOis moonlight and Atlanta the show. Amazing fucking movie and show.

@Maynard-il1yj 6 месяцев назад

@@Deathbykittens11 😂 nah you can’t experience through the internet kid. You have to place and experience people. That’s was cute tho😂 that’s being real.

@Itri_Vega 2 года назад

As a black person who grew up with Stephen King's novels and who still enjoys his older work, I always felt like I wanted more from his black characters and other people of colour that appeared in his books. They felt too much like concepts rather than people. That being said, he does like to have characters embody certain traits of the human condition in order to make a statement on how we, as humanity, cope with sudden catastrophies and survival, and it's not exclusive to black people and other PoC, though it's most pronounced among them. I feel similar about the Indigenous Burial Ground trope, there is a lot of depth when you research how different cultures treat their dead and death as a concept. Simply breaking it down to "this soil is cursed and seeking revenge for white people stealing their land" is wasting a lot of nuance (insert a plug for your mugs here :D ) that could help craft a well rounded narrative. I do however appreciate that King seems to be aware of his own biased and white guilt. As we say in Germany, self awareness is the first step towards improvement. Lastly, I think that going through problematic media that we might have enjoyed growing up is a much better approach to media analysis and to working on one's own internalised -isms than just putting every problematic book ever in a forbidden shelf with a big lock on it.

@constantreader1422 2 года назад

ooooh, i like your idea about character embodying concepts rather than their own people! especially with detta/odetta/susannah (or at least the detta/odetta alters particularly) are just a way to showcase two extreme stereotypes and their falseness. i guess i could also see how those stereotypes could mess with a young kid's psyche so much they can become heightened versions of them, but i can't talk to what king's actual intentions with susannah. even with the magical horror pregnancy, i loved her. i wish her character didn't have to suffer so much (like, jesus that women went through SO MUCH) but over time she was so kickass and smart and just the best. i mean, a black disabled woman gunslinging and throwing deadly sharp plates? iconic. wow, that was a rant, sorry! definitely got my gears spinning, if you have any thoughts on the dark tower series i'd be so interested!

@JBOBloedsinn 2 года назад

As a fellow German could you post the original German saying? Cause I can't recall one that fits.

@badlydrawn7476 2 года назад

@@JBOBloedsinn The original german saying goes "Einsicht ist der erste Schritt zur Besserung."

@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 года назад

IIRC from back when I used to read his work, he said he grew up around racist white folks, so he certainly grew up not understanding black folks as anything other than concepts, and it seems like he didn't bother to go beyond that in all his years. Like, he seems like he was satisfied up to a point and didn't bother to learn.

@ems7623 2 года назад

Totally legitimate and human response. I wonder ... If good authors write what they know, does King know many black folks? Perhaps not. I could probably forgive a solid writer from Maine for not trying to create dynamic black characters if it's very far from his life experience.

@kingcyrusthegreat3887 2 года назад

Funny this about the Defiant Ones is that apparently and rightly so Black folks who saw it said " why the hell did he jump off the train" goes to show who the film was made for it seems.

@hinasakukimi 2 года назад

it would've been way better if it had been the other way around

@moustik31 2 года назад

I totally see family movie night with uncles and cousins reacting this way at the end. Like, wth hero?! I know, we watched MANY a "controversial" (aka racist) scenes in mainstream movies, that always surprised us in a bad way.

@mastermarkus5307 2 года назад

I was kind of confused there. Like, I'd get it if the white guy accidentally pulled him down with his weight, but the best solution to "I'm on the train and he can't get up here" isn't "We can BOTH get captured! It's only fair!" A fix for this would be that they fell in love, but I get the impression that this was not the case, lol.

@BloodElfB 6 месяцев назад

I am SO GLAD I stumbled upon your channel….great topics and you shed a lot of light on so many things that are often overlooked in literature and media. And kudos to the comment section for actually being civil and exchanging ideas and having good discussions. Time to get some coffee and enjoy this snowy cold off day 😊🙏🏽.

@HalfShelli 2 года назад

This is my first video of yours, Melina, and I’m so glad that RU-vid recommended this to me! This was really insightful commentary and kept me in rapt attention the entire time. I can’t wait to hear more; I’m subscribed!

@kingofthebis1068 2 года назад

The shining really flew a black man in to just kill him

@sierra3052 2 года назад

That was such a weird decision for the movie to make im still scratching my head over it

@kingofthebis1068 2 года назад

@@sierra3052 like he’s the only one who dies besides Jack

@Frugal_fitchic 2 года назад

He lives in the book though.

@memes6060 2 года назад

That didn't happen in the book tho.

@angellane1848 2 года назад

He had so much potential to be a really important, interesting and vital character. In the book he gets a bit more of the spotlight and survives, but the point still stands.

@lexi8445 2 года назад

Michael Clark Duncan was seriously one of the best actors to ever exist 😭

@kostajovanovic3711 2 года назад

And of course Hollywood wasted him

@leerhode1021 2 года назад

At least for his role in The Green Mile. He played that part so well, he had me shedding tears in the darkened (thankfully) theater.

@playablue 2 года назад

@@kostajovanovic3711 why wouldn’t they He is not white. It’s called supremacy. This is very key elephant in the room

@moustik31 2 года назад

Ikr? I just watched Yahra and Princess' video about Gabrielle Union and I feel the same way about him: he was talented but suffered from racist type-casting and it stifled his career.

@mastermarkus5307 2 года назад

I knew him mostly from his voice roles, but he was always fantastic and iconic.

@timbusbee1483 6 месяцев назад

I watched this a couple of weeks ago, and then they dropped the trailer for the American Society of Magical Negroes. What. The. Fuck.

@jonweman6128 7 месяцев назад

There's one more thing about TGM: at the very end of his unnaturally long life, with almost everyone he ever knew dead, the protagonist asks himself if it was really a good thing to receive Coffey's gift. Not sure how one should see that in relation to his magical negroness.

@librabeauty23 2 года назад

“Back to the vid-“*YT cuts to ad* For serious, I’m glad you’ve made this especially on Green Mile, it feels like it’d be easy to dismiss or hate a character like John Coffey for the writing but it’s so emotionally powerful I can’t help but feel for him and buy into his Too Good for this Sinful Earth ending

@LimeyLassen 2 года назад

It helps that it was one hell of a performance.

@Gaawachan 2 года назад

I think it's that he's like... the best possible outcome you can get when using this archetype. By loading it with Christian symbology and a little truth in television (black and neurodivergent people being persecuted by the State), it adds a level of complexity the archetype usually doesn't have.

@CadetRedShirt 2 года назад

Ive had similar feelings about seeing super spiritual/ magical Natives and Indigenous characters, I’m glad you’ve made this video to talk about this type of trope and how it affects autonomy and opinions of the people that are being portrayed, and in turn those watching

@UngoogleableMan 2 года назад

This video came up randomly in my feed, and as a long time King fan, I have to say that this video is awesome! You're done an amazing job giving an informative, fascinating, honest and hilarious critique of King's work. Subscribed!

@mrfoozy47 11 месяцев назад

I remember when I was probably 6, I saw my mom watching The Green Mile on cable, she didn’t want to let me watch it bc I was young, but I asked her what it was about. She explained “it’s about a black man who was wrongly accused of a crime he didn’t commit, and he’s mentally disabled, so his guards realize he isn’t guilty, and become friends with him. But it’s sad because they can’t save him” And as a kid, this sounded to me like a really tragic, grown up kind of story. Then once I got older I found out all the stuff about him also being able to do magic and shit, and I HAVE to ask: Wouldn’t it still have been a compelling story without the supernatural stuff? Like come on. It feels like Steven King had a fine tragic story, one that really deals with the intense racism and ableism of the time period, and rather than let that be the story, he just was like “and actually also the falsely accused black character is literally magic” I dunno, it feels like it would have been a pretty effective story without the magic? To me it’s like, why add that?

@harrysmyhomeboy 6 месяцев назад

lmao, reading your comment, now I'm picturing how the ending of the Shawshank Redemption would feel if Andy and Red got out of prison cus Red was secretly an angel the whole time or something

@stevenm11920 6 месяцев назад

Tell me u don’t know a thing about Stephen king without telling me you don’t know a thing about Stephen king lmao

@greenqueen2673 5 месяцев назад

Magical Negro sacrificing his life to save white folks 101.

@bucketts6148 4 месяца назад

⁠@@stevenm11920 I’m really surprised op missed the biblical undertones (I assume) like John’s initials are the same as Jesus’s (JC), a kind and innocent man was unjustly prosecuted and then killed. There’s also a handful of articles talking about it

@mirellalastar 4 месяца назад

Probably because nobody cares about Black men, let alone those who are rotten in jail for long sentences after an unfair trial.

@Boggythefroggy 2 года назад

Also your point about Halloran in the book - I really like how he doesn’t die and he comes to be way more like a paternal character like you said to Danny. Like how Halloran is able to get to the hotel by reaching out to someone that also has the shining and using that to get a snowmobile to get to the hotel on. I honestly really dislike the movie version overall just because it was made very different in a lot of aspects that I reeeally didn’t appreciate.

@bellagrace-gm8fz 2 года назад

So true! I hate how he dies in the movie... He's a much bigger part in the books and I love the ending.

@dread-cthulu 2 года назад

The books is transcendental when compared to the movie.

@mastermarkus5307 2 года назад

The movie lacks a lot of heart that the book has, and the characters are pretty flat and unnuanced. I also think it's less scary; I particularly remember reading the book as a young teen and the pervy wolf man creeped me out a lot. I also thought that the tension with the topiary animals was really satisfying, though I could understand why moviemakers from 1980 might not attempt to put them in the film considering the effects work that would be necessary.

@mnomadvfx Год назад

@@mastermarkus5307 The movie is basically just about setting and building a mood until it explodes. That's really all The Shining was for Kubrick - there's nothing else in it.

@thegoddessdiana9185 8 месяцев назад

@@bellagrace-gm8fz Halloran didn't die in the TV miniseries of, "The Shining" (1997) with Rebecca de Mornay and Melvin van Peebles. He shows up at Danny's high school graduation.

@surgeland9084 2 года назад

Glad I'm not the only one who was annoyed that John Coffey―along with all the other prisoners in the film―doesn't have a story of his own. He is a mere complement to the narrative of the sympathetic executioners who we're supposed to be invested in. The story is more concerned with the dogs of the brutal system we are watching than those who suffer from it directly.

@clsisman 2 года назад

I agree - it's a good thing that Paul encourages white oppressors to consider their complicity in the immoral imprisonment and state-sanctioned murder of black people (and men in particular) but that's just it - it's white-focused. John Coffey is clearly supposed to serve as synecdoche for all wrongfully imprisoned black men, so the fact that he can't read and write and has no will to live is...telling.

@surgeland9084 2 года назад

@@clsisman Then there's the fact that the Wild Bill character―who we are meant to despise―is frequently punished with "cathartic" institutional violence; hosings, beatings, solitary confinement and ultimately being shot. Even Percy who is meant to represent the sadism at the heart of the prison machine is punished in a similar manner, eventually being institutionalized at an asylum; the horrors awaiting him being presented as his just deserts.

@surgeland9084 2 года назад

@Bob Thornton Not of his own, that's my point. Any extended lore is absolutely irrelevant useless because every convict's story in that narrative―as a singular work of fiction―is presented through the eyes of a white prison guard and Coffey himself is used to assuage his guilt and the guilt of everyone else involved in the prison system.

@surgeland9084 2 года назад

@Bob Thornton I'm just analyzing what the story has presented for me. It still is anti-death penalty and that is still valuable, and it says nothing about Stephen King except that he has a certain level of privilege. It just says something that the way the story criticizes the death penalty is by prioritizing the perspective of a white executioner over the people who are harmed. Yes, they have backstories but the narrative isn't *their* story; that's the point. If you don't want to critically examine the media you consume, then this isn't a great space for you. If you want Black authors, George Elliott Clarke, Jamaica Kinkaid, James Baldwin, and Richard Wright are all amazing, but that wasn't really what the topic was here.

@surgeland9084 2 года назад

@Bob Thornton No, I see the point. But I am analyzing some parts of it that hinder the message it's trying to send. I am not canceling The Green Mile or Stephen King. It's actually a very well-told story in many ways. But I don't work in absolutes. A story can have good and bad elements in it simultaneously. You clearly don't know much―if anything―about literary criticism or how it actually works.

@MajiggerRose 2 года назад

I absolutely loved and agree with all the points you've made in this video, but I especially like how you're willing to take creators to task, regardless of whether or not you enjoy their work. I'm so glad I found you and you've got a new subscriber!

@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460 Год назад

I hate that I'm just now seeing this brilliant video!!!!! I have been binging your videos over the past week (subscribing now!) and you hit every point beautifully. Thank you, THANK YOU!!!

@katherinealvarez9216 2 года назад

I didn't realize that about Amazon's Cinderella, I simply found it juvenile and pretty average. But that's just another point to Brandy's Cinderella (superior in every way). I did very...let's say annoyed about the marketing. More than a few people were praising the movie for having a "Latinx" Cinderella. That bothered me, because I've seen this marketing before and it's really tiring. Also, there was another Cinderella played by Dominican American actress Dania Ramirez in OUAT show and not only did the show shove her aside for the step family, the fandom slept on it too. Oh, and she was criticized for having an "annoying accent." Actually, it's odd how the Latina characters in media are either seductresses or motherly maids, there to give advice, be inspirational and nothing else.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 года назад

Looked her up, and Dani is so pretty! Afro-Latinos are so beautiful, island black folks. 😩😍

@athenemathews783 2 года назад

As an indigenous person, I seriously hate the IBG and *erm* 'Shaman' tropes our people get forced into, especially when we don't even get to portray our own stories. Redface is alive and well in this corner of hell. Thanks for your work always being on point💙

@i-never-look-at-replies-lol 2 года назад

Indigenous to where?

@athenemathews783 2 года назад

@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol North America

@rawkhawk414 Год назад

@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol Indigenous peoples from other landmasses are also portrayed using these stereotypes but I'd assume from her use of the term redface that she is talking about people indigenous to the Americas. Long story short you asking for clarification smells funny.

@plugmanjohnson7456 Год назад

Idk bro I went to a casino once and did aschwanganda with a blackfoot named chipping bird who spoke only in riddles and hymns

@unknownuser3926 Год назад

I understand why Kubrick needed to kill a character in order to "up the stakes" and show Jack was now capable of killing, and there really weren't a lot of other characters he could have used, but honestly, if you're going to deviate from the source material, why not add in a new character at that point? Have someone scheduled to check up on them show up and get killed off or something.

@erinelizacousins 6 месяцев назад

This was such a well researched video, and taught me so much about a topic I’ve never heard of before. Thank you for this! Can’t wait to watch more from you 😊

@reeeeeal 2 года назад

Very much enjoyed the hesitation at the word "honor" when discussing Sidney Poitier's Oscar nominations 👏👏👏

@Clairembify 2 года назад

On the topic of Maleficent 2, can I also mention that absolutely wild sequence where all the fairies were locked in a church and gassed until they passed out/died? It was surreal watching a fantasy ethnic cleansing scene (with some VERY strong historical precedents) in a Disney family movie, what a strange choice.

@AliceI7764 2 года назад

I was blown away by this video and shared it on my Facebook page. I'm so pleased that I came across such a well-spoken remarkable person who could put all of these vague thoughts into words. When I say vague thoughts I'm talking about myself. I have had vague thoughts that I never could put into words, you did. Thank you.

@Ungtartog 2 года назад

Honestly not sure why the algorithm sent you my way... but you are awesome. Nice Brain! While you share excerpts from the writing of others, it doesn't feel like these are merely summaries of someone else's ideas, as so much other RU-vid content is... this seems like your own authentic analysis. I like your sense of humor. Subscribed.

@Leelz247 2 года назад

Oh my God, we are psychically connected I was literally thinking about this topic this weekend just on a long aimless drive.

@allaneuzebio00 2 года назад

Would LOVE to hear you talk about Last Night in Soho and the fact that what happens in *that scene* is not even color-blind casting's fault, it was intended.

@Asummersdaydreamer14 2 года назад

This please. I felt like I was overthinking it when the two other people I saw the film with did not say a word about that character when the scene happened nor after when I voiced that I think they would be extra screwed over. They had little character depth and gave way more emotional support than anyone should reasonably do or expect of others. Well made film, but the story wasn’t there for me and the fashion could have gone so much harder smh

@PajamaFeet 2 года назад

Whoa, yes! I totally forgot about that scene until now. That movie made so many bizarre choices, especially at the end. But when she started panicking, I was certain there would be very different outcome. I could not believe when he acted okay the next today, wanting to comfort her. To me it seems like the character was written white but casted black with no consideration as to how that would change the interpretation of a scene in which a white woman symbolically accuses him of rape, with him running out half naked past her white landlady who then says “you’re lucky I didn’t kill him…” or something. All that plus virtually teasing his death and having him come back again and again despite her crazy. When He came to save her, I thought during the movie, wow is he about to get Halloraned ?

@julialena3150 2 года назад

This video is amazing. I love the nuance you put into your arguments and provide good evidence with every claim. With a lot of these specific works, at a surface level interpretation something might come across to a mainstream audience as "not racist" but these things have always felt off to me and you finally put that feeling into words. It's not about depicting black people or other POC as "the bad guys" or explicitly as antagonists, its about not making black/poc characters real fully formed characters that have complex traits, are relatable to the reader but most of all that poc characters in fiction are autonomous characters and not merely a "tool" for the white protagonist/audience to have a particular insight.

@ahreftasha Год назад

I am so glad to have found your video.King is my favorite author so i was drawn in. I had no idea about this concept, and am really glad to know more.

@Caitlin_TheGreat 2 года назад

The good thing is King acknowledging his shortcomings with these characters. While in the midst of reading one of his books I'll often be blind to elements of a character's identity and how the in-universe presentation of the character may be a problem or at least out of line with reality. To some extent that's understandable -- many of King's books have just straight up weird sh*t as the baseline. But on reflection it often crops up that King is a cis-het white guy, often centering his narratives around other cis-het white guys. But he does _try_ to do better, or at least seems to have been trying. But one of the best things he can do is use his fame and prestige to point attention toward writers with other perspectives. Because as much as he may learn to do better, why not make sure those other voices get to be heard? To that end, maybe he could do better, but I have seen him give quotes/praise on numerous other authors' work and I know that can help out.

@qwellen7521 2 года назад

Clive barkers and Sam Rami’s careers got a major boost from him. Game recognises game.

@someonerandom8552 2 года назад

Yeah this is why I’m often very lenient with King. He sticks to his lane, recognises that he has blind spots and tries to write to his known strengths. But he’s always trying. Which is more than I can say for some authors who only pay lip service to good causes and representations. I guess I just appreciate the effort

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

@@qwellen7521 not really. They succeeded on their own merits. You don’t succeed just because someone famous gives a recommendation. King has recommended countless things, most of which never garner much attention.

@domalexander6804 2 года назад

You do a wonderful job of acknowledging the trope, using Stephen kings characters as examples while simultaneously acknowledging what he was trying to do. Great job

@noontamoankhan2736 2 года назад

This was great. Loved the closing.

@Boingsify Год назад

I am So grateful for having found your channel. Keep up the good work. 🙏🏾

@jasonblalock4429 2 года назад

32:00 Sounds like Kubrick knew that Scatman wouldn't take the role if he was only going to get fridged, and deliberately gave him a false script. It's happened before and Kubrick, in particular, was totally willing to do things like that. He had a history of tricking people into doing what he wanted. (See also: Subverting a studio mandate to have an original score in 2001, by hiring Alex North to write and record a score he never had any intention of using. And Kubrick didn't even bother to warn North, who showed up to the premiere only to *then* discover his music wasn't in the film.)

@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 года назад

Some of the biggest legends in the business were also some of the most garbage people, especially Kubrick. Film after film, mistreating people egregiously. Just a talented but awful person, and I strongly dislike people excusing awfulness because of talent.

@jasonblalock4429 2 года назад

@@LadyAstarionAncunin Yeah, I agree. The more I learn about Kubrick and his methods, the more problematic I think his movies become. I can only think of a couple where he *didn't* either abuse his actors or engage in needless trickery on-set. And of course, his treatment of Shelly Duvall on The Shining was beyond the pale. He probably gave that poor woman PTSD.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

That’s one of the things that made him a genius I guess.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

@@jasonblalock4429 meh I think it’s been highly exaggerated. Sounds like a damsel in distress trope.

@sobersplash6172 2 года назад

@@reginaldforthright805 I think taking advantage of people to "make art" is still taking advantage of people which is shitty; the ends don't justify the means

@josephkolar3443 2 года назад

I haven’t read all of his works, but one of his better developed black characters is Mike Hanlon from It. He’s a normal, non-magical man who is also the smartest and most stalwart of the Losers. Plus he’s the only one of them who doesn’t grow up to be a rich yuppie asshole. And he was played by the dad from Sister, Sister!

@ThunderTaker1215 2 года назад

I love Mike! I’m so mad that his role in the recent adaptations were diminished. He deserved so much better.

@TheoRae8289 2 года назад

isn't that purely because he chose to stay behind in the town and as a result he's the only one who still remembers?

@Frichilsasta08 Год назад

He was also chosen, along with Richie, by King to experience the origins of IT after the hallucination in the underground playhouse. Thought that was cool. Mike Hanlon also arguably had the scariest encounter with IT and survived.

@AkashaKitty Год назад

Mike also experienced the scariest encounters with Henry Bowers imo….they did him so dirty in the recent movies. He was supposed to be the historian, not Ben! 🤬

@Frichilsasta08 Год назад

@@AkashaKitty I think this one is arguable. I feel like IT working through Henry was incredibly traumatic for Eddie outside of the pharmacy as he was sent to the hospital room, Henry's knife carving into Ben before falling into the Barrens, or even Beverly when being chased by the Bowers gang after escaping her fathers/ITs wrath in her house. Just my opinion though...I still think Mike experienced the deadliest IT in the form of the bird though. Every other character got off kinda easy. I could go on about Mike also seeing Stan's severed head in the fridge as an adult. He also almost died as an adult from Bowers.

@GaiaCarney 2 года назад

Melina Pendulum, Thank You, for creating & sharing this 💐 you made me laugh, cackle, snort & scream with glee at your perfect take-down of these exhausting tropes!

@MattGleason1 4 месяца назад

Opened my eyes to a new perspective, thank you! Enjoyed this very much.

@museofthedamned 2 года назад

dick hallorann is one of my favorite stephen king characters! he just feels so safe in a book that makes you feel like a scared child in an abusive home. i loved hearing about his backstory in IT and then seeing how he inspired and helped danny in doctor sleep. it's wholesome that he eventually just passed away peacefully of old age. anyway, great video. really educational, loved the inclusion of the native American stuff too. i haven't read the stand or the green mile yet, I'll have to check them out

@mnomadvfx Год назад

Wait..... Dick was in IT???!!!

@rearcangeli Год назад

@@mnomadvfx Yes, he saved Mike Hanlon's father from the Black Spot fire of... 1920 I think? The Black Spot was a bar in Derry that catered to an African-American veterans and soldiers from a nearby military base. It was burned down in a hate-crime by a local white supremacy hate group, and in IT we learn that Dick Hallorann used his Shine to communicate the safest exit to Will Hanlon, saving his life (and I can't recall, but I'm pretty sure others as well). I think he worked there as a cook at the time!

@theoriginalbunnygirl 7 месяцев назад

@@mnomadvfxI think they meant The Shining. He is not in IT.

@yersiniapestis5237 6 месяцев назад

@@theoriginalbunnygirl He's in both, actually.

@theoriginalbunnygirl 6 месяцев назад

@@yersiniapestis5237 Dick did not have a backstory in IT that I know of

@Demokirby 2 года назад

My best guesses of why Stanley Kubrick killed Hallorann was probably focusing scope for a movie on the Domestic abuse angle with Wendy and Danny overcoming Jack while removing the Halloann resolution from the book to simplify them simply escaping. Other Reason I think is a cheap unexpected death scare. Readers were not expecting him to die and cinematography I think it is a really unexpected death since camera and set is not hinting at it since Hallorann is in completely wide open lobby hall with a very wide shot compared to how they are normally zoom in thight with characters in a typical horror movie when such a thing will happen. Still think they should have kept him alive btw, but best I can get what Stanley Kurbicks likely reasonings were.

@clsisman 2 года назад

TBF, the movie of the Shining is VEEEEERY different in a lot of ways to the book. IMO the movie is a step back in both sexism and racism from the book - although the bits of the book from Halloran's POV are...hard to read.

@Demokirby 2 года назад

@@clsisman Most definitely, I am addressing why things were changed for his character specifically so late when it was in the script. From a film making perspective, Halloanns death is definitely setup to be sudden, shocking and unexpected after the Character had travelled so far across the country and being setup for him to come to aid them (as was intended in the book) with a camera and location setup not normally used for Jump scares. Also aware that Stanley Kubrick was making The Shining to be a commercial success after Barry Lyndon flopped due to historical piece movies being out of favor. So may have also been a commercial move taken from Psychos book to give Jack a brutal murder victim out of the very limited cast.

@ItWasBetterBefore 2 года назад

Wendy and Danny do escape on the snowcat Hallorann drove to the hotel, so he does contribute to their escape in the film. But I agree, Kubrick shouldn’t have killed him off.

@YggdrasilAudio 2 года назад

There's another possible reason for this that has to do with the genocide theory, because in his introduction, Halloann is shown in profile, right next to a can of food with the image of a Native American warrior...also in profile. Another visual clue to Jack's victims being stand-ins for the victims of the wars and oppression against Native Americans.

@WallKenshiro 2 года назад

@@YggdrasilAudio "White mans burden, Lloyd, my man. White man's burden."

@captaincorleone7088 5 месяцев назад

Not only was this video well presented and informative, it also introduced me to further material by Robert Entman - which I did not expect during my RU-vid browsing for non academic viewing! Subscribed! 😁

@GoGoFiasco Год назад

I dunno HOW I happened upon your channel, but the “magical negro” in me is happy that it did! Lol! You made so many good points, that I’m wanting to reread a lot of these novels, or rewatch some of the movies mentioned. I am happy to be a new subscriber, and look forward to your uploads. By the way, you’re hilariously humorous! You’re like the homegirl you’d “sit and sip” with whilst listening to her “go off” on a bad movie you both happened to be watching! LOL! 😂 Princess: “See this sh*t?? Here we go again!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂 Thanks again for a great channel and I look forward to supporting you any way I can… 😎✌🏾👌🏾🖤

@alnightengale2223 2 года назад

That habit of only ever hiring dark skinned actors for villains and side characters even when the casting is generally diverse was pointed out to me years ago and now it bothers me to no end, The Irregulars with light John Watson and dark magic super villain, Bridgerton with light love interest and dark evil father, The Witcher, and now WoT which I'm really exited about but they've relegated all the dark skinned actors to 1. Heavy prosthetics 2. Dying for dramatic effect or 3. Evil heartless n * zi allegory. Got to do better.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

One possible reason is that dark skin just doesn’t show up that well on film so it can be very hard to read the subtle emotions. Not great for a lead character.

@xaviercopeland2789 2 года назад

The Witcher never had dark actors in the first place and the fact we had any is surprising, Bridgertons literally had Simon as another lead, and the Irregulars had other black characters as well.

@user-dv3kq3rm4h 2 года назад

@@reginaldforthright805 You sound really ignorant. That is the lighting casts' job to illuminate the actors regardless of their race. Any inability to do so is incompetence and borderline discrimination. This is why Lee Daniels fired the whole lighting cast on the Precious set- because they made Gabby Sidibe look awful and didn't know what they were doing, despite it being their one and only job to do so.

@moustik31 2 года назад

Yeah. I also noticed how they are suddenly able to find dark-skinned Black actors, when it's time to play someone vile. 😐

@moustik31 2 года назад

@@user-dv3kq3rm4h He has been trolling in other comment sections under this video. I dont believe for one minute, that any of his objections are genuine. Sounds more like a dude having "fun" the only way he is able to. SAD.

@vibangigan5336 2 года назад

Small thing about Michael Clarke Duncan, I loved him when I was a kid in the movie See Spot Run. So, when I saw him in this movie on AMC one night, I was like let's check it out......Well that was a hard night to get through. His monologue about just being tired of all the hate just, it just hit so hard, and I remember being in tears when he died.

@miserylitmedia Год назад

Eye-opening video essay! Also, honestly, I'm SO glad I missed Maleficent 2 - when it comes to the flaws of that series and the failed Alice In Wonderland movies, I tend to blame Linda Woolverton. She's definitely not a very good screenwriter, mostly an Ascended Disney Fangirl, and she REALLY doesn't like it when other people try to edit her sh*tty screenplays (I suspect she's why Tim Burton got kicked off of the Alice 2 project). Also, before I forget, I am SOOOOOOOO not sorry Kubrick's dead, especially given how awfully he gaslit Mr. Crothers, Shelley Duvall and other actors he's worked with. If he'd ever adapted one of MY books that shoddily AND abused his cast doing it, I'd be pissed off, too. >_

@user-hm4yi7um9d 2 года назад

It was a Roque mallet, not a croquet mallet. Roque mallets have more than one density. Also, pretty sure Poltergeist also used an Indian burial ground.

@camerondodge2070 6 месяцев назад

No, Poltergeist used a cemetery where they moved the headstones and left the bodies (a thing that has happened in real life).

@user-hm4yi7um9d 6 месяцев назад

@@camerondodge2070 fair. I haven't seen that movie since I was a kid

@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm 2 года назад

The Church of the Algorithm officially certifies this video in the ones and zeroes of The Recommending Holiness.

@SlightlyDisturbed123 2 года назад

This was absolutely delightful to listen to-- Stephen King was one of my father's favorite authors, but he LOVED picking apart more controversial bits of the books. I miss him dearly. Keep on keeping on, you got another subscriber today!

@bugwastaken 6 месяцев назад

miss him??? stephen king is alive tho

@SlightlyDisturbed123 6 месяцев назад

@@bugwastaken I was... talking about my dad, man. Lmfao.

@JustJenna8 2 года назад

Thank you for the video. I'm a huge Stephen King fan and respect the effort to look at the things we love with a critical eye without declaring "thing bad"

@Randoplants 2 года назад

I always had trouble getting into Stephen King books, so I super appreciate this trip through his work.

@cynamentl 2 года назад

Thank you for sampling Astronomy Club to transition into this topic. Highly underrated show on Netflix 🙌🏿

@its_just_seb 2 года назад

the green mile was the first time i ever heard of serial publication, and i found it really fascinating. personally i find it a shame that it's not really done anymore nowadays - at least in traditional publishing. one could argue that uploading fanfiction chapter by chapter is a remnant of serial publication. i own the german translation of the six serial parts, and they're a bit beat up because they're old and i got them from the thrift store. reading them all back to back felt great because each of them is between 80-100 pages long, and finishing one part left me with a feeling of accomplishment. i'm only 9 minutes into the video, but i'm very interested what you have to say

@left4twenty 2 года назад

Because now we'd have a seven movie series. The distinction is a bit shaky though, between serialized and "sequels". Where a serial is one narrative broken up, "sequels" are sequential narratives. But most narratives get broken up into smaller narratives in movies, movies we consider "sequels" can instead be viewed as components of a serialization, like marvels infinity gauntlet is a bunch of serialized movies, that form a "sequence". Each is a contained narrative that taken together are a larger narrative. Basically, the creation publishing of media hasn't really changed, just the perspective or way we're labeling it

@KaiInMotion 2 года назад

It's coming back, between self publishing, online platforms, and larger franchises needing to keep their audience fed more regularly. Most recent I can't think of is Cassandra Clare, she serializes her side novels, stuff like Ghosts of The Shadow Market, Tales From Shadowhunter Academy, come out monthly for like 7-11 months and then when they're all gathered up and published as a physical books they include a bonus story as an incentive to buy the hardcover too. But it's definitely more common in self-publishing.

@celinahatton2653 2 года назад

Serial publication has been around for a very long time, but really took off during the industrial revolution. Charles Dickens is probably the most famous serial publication author. It made good financial sense at the time, when bound books were still far too expensive for most people to buy.

@nikkiviolanti4477 2 года назад

Just discovered you through this video! You're great, love your take. Can't wait to watch more.

@TheoRae8289 2 года назад

The Talisman (which he wrote with Peter Straub) has it spades, especially considering the age of the protagonist. MCD's "I'm tired" monologue never fails to make me weepy because it reminds of my that soul-crushing exhaustion of chronic depression.

@jerrahaynes1564 2 года назад

HA the ending skit was perfect. also i'm angry at anybody who'd ask you why you're talking about these characters if you don't think they're awful or don't think king's a racist -- are well-meaning white people just supposed to not have the black people they write critically analyzed? nah man i feel like good-faith criticism of badly done bipoc characters is important to reduce the numbers of poorly written bipoc people :'D Also i was really happy to hear you make the distinction between movie halloran and book halloran! book halloran is great. also great work as always

@nailinthefashion 2 года назад

sidenote: John is literally physically my idealized dream man and i'd literally do anything to have a gentle giant to love :')

@chewiechips4986 2 года назад

Yes!

@clsisman 2 года назад

John in the book is dissociated 98% of the time so he wouldn't be the best bet mate.

@nailinthefashion 2 года назад

@@clsisman thats exactly why I specifically said physically LOL Too quiet for me too

@austincde 2 года назад

Awe

@ItWasBetterBefore 2 года назад

I thought the passage Princess read that describes the character had a distinctly erotic vibe. Sounded almost like a romance novel.

@MadameCirce 2 года назад

EXCELLENT video, thank you! The youtube algorithm has come through tonight and I am happy to be a new subscriber and now binge all your videos.

@xloveandmayhemx 2 года назад

I'm so happy I found your channel and this video! So good and I love your voice ❤ I mostly listened while working

@727Phoenix 2 года назад

Pet Semetary is also my favorite; It's fascinating how Dr. Creed was driven to bury his son, then his wife even after seeing the horrific consequences. He had proof that resurrection from that ground is a lie, even when it seems to happen. That same desperation is what traps people in religious cults because of the promises with no evidence.

@rgs8970 2 года назад

Love this video! As a fellow Stephen King fan and a fellow Shinning fan, the IBG "explanation" for the Overlook reminded me of one of my favorite Simpsons exchanges, when Smithers asks Mr. Burns if cutting off the cable and taking the beer supply away may have contributed to previous caretakers mental health issues/murder sprees, to which Mr. Burns replies: "Tell you what, if we come back and everyone's slaughtered, I owe you a Coke!"

@michaelgarbett4088 6 месяцев назад

This video blew my mind. Can’t wait to watch more of your videos

@xSmythosx 2 года назад

i’m writing an essay about this exact topic for a college final! can’t wait to watch this

@createdsoicancomment2833 2 года назад

You have opened my eyes to the "magical negro" in books and movies. I love it. It was there and I never really noticed. LMAO. As a black reader and writer, I'm soo with you but I see it a little different when it comes to King and what he was trying to convey in the Green Mile. He was being sarcastic in the Green Mile. I was young when the novels came out and upon reflection, I feel he was soo pointing the finger at White America and how they use black people for their own good but aren't willing to extend a hand to help against the injustice and prejudice America inflicts on us. The reason Paul Edgecomb lived so long, was his punishment for letting John visit old sparky. I think King gets "IT" (no pun intended) as much as he can get it and he was using sarcasm by making John (on appearance) the scariest black man in the world to White people. He made him mentally challenged as symbolism to show how powerless black men are in America. He turned the mirror on White America on the sneak tip and I love it. I love this vid and will give you a follow so I can enjoy more of your perspective.

@crishnaholmes7730 7 месяцев назад

What type of writing do you do

@ronswansons_mustache 7 месяцев назад

great perspective, thank you for sharing

@tecpaocelotl 2 года назад

John Coffee was the super saiyan of Magical n-words. I had issues with the book and movie bc of it, but funny part white people saying I'm over thinking it. Abagail on South Park made her look like Aunt Jemima. Native culture seems to make them fantasy or magical in books.