I have lived in Mongolia for the past 5 years. I can say that, in whatever discipline to which they apply themselves, Mongolians must eventually emerge in the superior position. These people are amazing-- intellectually, morally, physically and artistically. It is a great privilege to live among them. Thanks for this wonderful video!
@@denis3208 I have never encountered this. A numberof years ago, there were many reports of public attacks on Chinese due to effects of economic warfare. But this hasn't happened lately. I think these things may occur but not at an exceptional rate.
You misunderstood something here and did not watch the video till the end. One thing is physical toughness and another is subtlety of technique. My Judo teacher at 230 lb used to walk on my tummy when I was 12 years old.
So you gained the superpower of being alright when a huge guy mistakes you for a piece of sidewalk but at the cost of reading too deeply into RU-vid comment yuk-yuks?
Learned judo in school. First few classes were learning how to fall down correctly without hurt and pain. Two years later l had a slip and fell hard on concrete in college. Suppose to be hurt but Judo instinct took over in mid air and l did a judo landing, got up and walked away as if nothing happened while my friends stood stunt.
20 yrs after my last judo class I went on a mountain bike ride. Going downhill I flipped over the front handles. Instinct took over and I tucked my head and did a front roll and walked away with barely a scratch. Prob would’ve broken my neck without judo.
@@phobowl I think it is correct to start learning Judo from scratch like falling and rolling without getting hurt. You can actually use it for life, and not juz in the dojos. After learning how to fall, we learned to roll. After we were good at it, our sensei taught us how to jump over a chair ( with back rest ) and landing with a roll. We spend the first 3 months juz learning how to fall and roll. Nobody complained bcoz everyone knew these basics are crucial when we start throwing one another.
Will save u for decades to come. Have a old friend learned judo during teenage, saved him self in a accident around 40. (While being away from the sport completely over two decades) Repetitions and habits built can be used for life
This reminds me of the time when in competition we didn't have to worry more about getting a shido than actually scoring an ippon. If I have a wish, it would be for the IJF to re-review the current rules and techniques and decide to bring back the old system and the classic techniques that they took away. Great video
@M T Pretty much. I used to carry and had other friends who carried when we went to bad parts of Atlanta. Despite many of us being armed and one of us being an Army Ranger 11B with recent combat experience, we had a standing agreement that if anyone tried to mug us our reaction would be calmly handing over our shit followed by "Thank you sir/madam, have a nice night" followed by a brisk power-walk in the other direction. Self-defense is for protecting life and limb, not material possessions and/or a bruised ego.
why do people say and believe this?? i tried judo for a month and couldn't throw anyone. a guy with just as much experience as me but was like 50lbs heavier than me, threw me twice which told me this art is weight dependent so if your assailant outweighs you by like 50lbs in the streets judo AIN'T working you are not defying physics
@@fallback8314 Well if you are a beginner you don't have a good grasp of the techniques... i'm a big guy and I regularly get destroyed by much smaller people - and so do other people. I do BJJ (beginner here as well) and Japanese Jujutsu - but the Japanese Jujutsu is a kind of Jujutsu that is basically Judo. They also teach Judo. I wouldn't want to mess with anyone who has been doing Judo or BJJ for two years or more...
Agreed. As a boxer I was trained to hit people with my fists…judo trains to hit people with the earth. Complete devastation; without question coupled with the fact that 99.9% of people have no idea how to fall properly.
@@maxmg2227 It may not. But it's still a tragedy to cut away actual effective street defense techniques that the founders intended on teaching. You could even say it's a frustrating political move, just because Japan wanted to keep the art "flashy" during competition. Whatever the reason, it was not worth discouraging such effective leg grab techniques. Unfortunate and silly, and one of the only reasons why I switched to Wrestling from Judo.
@@nimkal I understand what you mean when you say you "switched" from wrestling to Judo as a sport. But remember. These sports are all rooted in combat and in ancient war. You cannot ever switch from that. Do the Judo that the Judo was made for.
@@traininggrounds9450 Lol you absolutely can switch from one art to another. The grappling experience always helps. Also you basically focused on the most irrelevant part of my comment and missed the main point I was making about Judo changes. Unfortunate, maybe read again and bring up something more interesting to discussion.
Ghekins Khan is proud. Mongolian wrestling is also very wide spread in Mongolia but I cant say if it's more close to judo or shou jiao. the Mongolian girl that you showed had a lineage go back to oda, grappling kingdom have a video about her, Mongolian are good at newaza and have keep alive a lot teachniques of oda.
it actually makes sense that it is similar to shou jiao since shou jiao is more popular in northern china, where has frequent interaction with nomads like mongolian. A huge number of chinese at northern china are actually even mixed of mongolian and chinese, kinda like russian. also fun fact is that china was dominated by nomad dynasties most of the time.
Your video, especially the footage from matches, really impressed upon me the physical abilities of judoka. They don't just need strength and agility, but flexibility, balance, and coordination in spades, too. Their agility is especially amazing; sometimes it's like you can't even see what they're doing until it's over, just a gi-colored blur! It must take so much dedication to reach that level of fitness. I love it!
I met and rolled with a Mongolian judo practitioner and wrestler. He was a 50 year old man with the worst cauliflower I've ever seen. His name was pronounced yindoshe. He won his weight and age category in both judo and freestyle wrestling. Wonderful guy and just an old school killer. We met at the world police fire games in Chengdu China 2019
@@Chadi cool story is he didnt speak anythimg besides Mongolian. He was a firefighter and we spoke through gestures. So this guy almost walks into the middle of the street when the no walking sign was ckearly present. I had to pull him back and he looked at me like he didn't understand what the sign meant haha. Im not sure what city or area he was from but Mongolia is one of the most isolated places in the world so maybe he was unfamiliar with such signs. A third of the population in Mongolia is nomadic. He showed me photos of him wearing this like traditional mongolian attire next to tent wagons and a dude on a big wooden throne. Second story. We had to sit through a 7 hour opening ceremony and me amd some Australian people tried to leave. The security tried to force us to stay because of fireworks. So yindoshe taps my shoulder and im like "yo whats up" so the security is literally arms locked ready to block us in and yindoshe looks at me and makes a running motion with foot sounds and shakes his head up and down. My dude was ready to try his luck on foreign soil during an international event lol. I had to cool my guy down. He was such a rebel haha.
Brother, your channel is amazing. I have been searching out judo styles that can be effective in judo, mma, or self-defensel(albeit with minor adjustments, of course) .It is tough to cover all those with one style, but your comparison videos are very helpful. Many people are interested in the martial art side, and not in the Olympics.
Great content. As a former Judo black belt I enjoyed how you not only portrayed a beautiful martial art but also how you went into tradition and difference in techniques. I believe that a black belt in Judo together with BJJ are among the toughest to get. We've seen Judo sweeps practised in MMA by Khabib, DC and Khamzat Chimaev among others.
Excellent. Helps that they are as strong as bulls too. The Uki Otoshi in competition was raw power. Only saw World Champion Anton Geesink from the Netherlands in Japan throwing 100kg plus guys in Kodokan Dojo with it,.
Mongolian wrestling is a very rich history so it's little wonder that Mongolians transition so well to Judo...Traditional archery & wrestling as well as horse riding are in the Mongolian DNA very strong. One other country with very strong Judo is Israel. Israeli Judo is also very strong.
Great video. However, you have to remember, there is nothing new with these techniques. I'm sure the old judoka at the Kodokan were using these techniques and different grip variations in the past. It's cool that we are getting to see judo players from around the world rediscovering these forgotten techniques thanks to platforms like RU-vid.
Judo can be good fora great self defense. Like boxing it has an end game not just limitation. Very interesting video.I studied many disciples for over 50 years. I can honestly say that forms of wrestling and grappling are by far the most effective at close quarter where there is no weapon. As a kid I studied judo, followed later boxing unarmed combat later still several styles of Kung Fu trained by masters. They are all good to a point but the disciplines have to be made to the individuals size weight etc. I'm old now but reminds me of the past. Enjoyed this Thanks
That's interesting because I would call it old school judo. The variations you call "Mongolian" were taught in Germany by Tokio Hirano. They are not mainstream here by any means but that is the case with kosen judo nearly everywhere. Interesting to see that the Mongolians can do the old stuff. Would be nice to know if they figured out themselves or if a kosen judo practitioner has taught there in the past.
Very serious question. I have literally been searching for “the martial art for me”. I’ve tried wrestling, bjj, nak mui feerang , boxing, mma, and nothing excites me. This wakes up my fucking blood. This is the thing I would literally sell everything I own to drop and go devote my life to. So my question is, can you seriously tell a brother how to move to mongolia and learn this style of judo. I was legit going to buy a ticket to Japan with the money I was raising , but I’m moved. I want to go here. Edited. Yeah. I still mean it.
great video. the chin strap to inside trip is a move I have seen wrestlers do as well. I never thought of it as dangerous, as I feel I can just go with the flow if caught in it, resisting it may be a problem though.
I believe Nyam Ochir Sainjargal also planted Ono in 2011 with Uchi Mata. Do you think it would be worthwhile to train this style, seems to me you think it’s severely underrated.
@@Chadi also have you seen Mongolian women? They're not only beautiful but they're also just as tough and hardy as the men, mongols truly are a warrior race
Mongolians also are literally born wrestling, they do all types of wrestling over there (they even have yokozunas in sumo), even the old ladys over there know how to wrestle, they were a warrior culture . The japanese did an amazing documentary on mongolian judo and Kazbaatar lives a very rural,hard working way of life. I think is not just the gripping ,or creativity , its all their way of life and culture , i have a lot of respect for mongolians. Also the cultural factor is very important , other countries start judo maybe at a young age but is a hobby or a side activity and only a few will be pros , in Mongolia wrestling is part of their life, Dajestan is another example , they probably learn to fight before reading. Love your channel Chadi!
you can find @thousandholds on instagram and message them they know far more about Mongolian grappling, and you can find mongolian Judo on fighting films/superstar Judo
Hey Chadi, I realized recently that the US ranks second overall in freestyle wrestling (Olympic), along with other countries like Russia Ukraine Georgia Japan Mongolia etc. However our Judo is ranked 30th. Judo is basically one of the worst performing sports in team USA other than table tennis and men’s soccer😂 Theres also more BJJ competitors then Judokas. Why is that Judo is so underrated here (other countries would basically rank high in both judo and wrestling) ? Is it mainly due to the popularity of wrestling and BJJ over Judo? Could you make a video on this topic. Why don’t kids use this for college instead😅
Awesome demonstration in this video. The Mongolian female judoist would make a superb bodyguard, especially if given those blades used in the SE islands like Phillipine. Bottomline, just goes to show how easy it is to kill someone literally if the proper technique is applied.....(thanks for the warning, too many punks and wannabes always trying to be cute not realizing the potential for death/wheelchair incapacity using these deadly moves on each other).
Hey chadi, love your videos, i have a question, are quite familiar with judo rules post 2012? is the front headlock/guillotine grip legal? I have been doing it lately in practice but my instructor insists that its illegal,
Munkhbat is certainly a captivating newaza player There's a versatility to her newaza techniques featuring submissions that work for many other martial arts Japanese Judo girls are also very good at newaza But their newaza techniques are basically so Judo pinning-specific that it must seem less attractive to MMA or BJJ guys Be that as it may,Pinnig strategy is the most sound method to win on the ground at least in Judo competitions
Me, a mongolophile: I mean mongolian judo and traditional wrestling is cool I guess but I'm more into horse archery, music and the language so I'm not planning to visit any clubs there This video: let me explain how bad of a mistake you're making
Mr. Chadi, I'm not a judo player nor can I judge the opponents skill but I can see what I see and this flavor of Judo appears to be quite strong and not very subtle. Thank you for sharing. Now, where can I get the leather Mongolian boots.
its all JAPANESE JUDO no such thing as Mongolian Judo or (Brazilian Jiujitsu its all modified NEWAZA) Judo techniques are divided into three major categories: nage waza (throwing techniques), katame waza (grappling techniques, and atemi waza (vital-point striking techniques) Im a GJJ blackbelt btw under Relsons 1st US Black belt
I'm waiting to see if anyone comes out with any kinds of instruction for instructional videos on Mongolian Judo grip techniques. I read that the Mongolians and also the Koreans have very unique grip strategies for Judo
The question is, in real fights, how do you close the distance before you can apply these techniques. At close distance, people will fight dirty and poke your eyes in reality.
It's interesting how much Mongolian Judo and Brazilian Jui Jitsu resemble each other in the stand up now, I think both arts came to the same conclusion that Wrestling grips don't care about your Sleeve and Lapel grips. Traditional Judoka just can't fight at that range, compared to modern grapplers who cross train.
It's not that Japanese judo is missing something, the fact is less garment the more people instinctively go for under/over hooks even samurais which i discussed in this video, with the lack of gi they hooked the armour, same with wrestling mongolian or not, less garment leads to more hooking, but judokas can fight on all ranges, different techniques require different grips like the suplex is different than uchi mata and Japanese and others are still beating mongolians. Gi bjj relies a lot on the cross grip with sleeve, far more than hooks which is used in no gi. Another example is Georgians which also rely on their wrestling in Judo but use a traditional sleeve and lapel and fight on all ranges. The point is judo has all ranges depending on the grips a belt grip with a sleeve is different than lapel and sleeve.
@@Chadi Put an Olympic Judoka into a rashguard and see what happens, a lack of cross training creates weaknesses in stand up because Judoka's don't have the same spacial awareness as Wrestlers when limbs are bound. BJJ uses more Underhooks than Cross Collar Grips, the passing game and half guard game are built on them. The sport has gravitated so far from Judo and towards Wrestling that most of the stand uo game, if there is one at all, tends to favor establishing grips that can transition directly into ground work. Cross Collar is certainly strong in stand up and from guard, but it isn't a foundation of the sport and tends to get de-emphasized in favor of learning grips that transition from Gi to No Gi.
The scenario of olympic judoka in a rashguard can be said also to the 10th planet jj guy who was put in a gi, when you're not in your element of course you'll struggle, but it can be fixed with cross training like you said but you can still bring what learned from judo to mma self defense no gi etc, because in judo you throw with your whole body not just the grip, all you need is adjusting the grips which is not everything in judo, Parisyan Rousey Harrison did wonders with their judo background in MMA they adjusted their grips of course cause there's no gi which is evident.
@@Chadi We're more or less in agreement, if you want to have an advantage in one sport then you use the grip the opponent is least familiar with. To that affect, hooks are a meta that other Judoka aren't as knowledgeable of in the Gi. I'd give better odds to the Wrestler in the Gi than the Judoka in the rashguard though, because every thing carries over for the Wrestler. Rousey and Karo are really specific cases, they were both cross trained in the Hayastan System from day one. Name a single Japanese Judoka who made the transition to MMA successfully, and you'll see what I mean. Yes it's entirely possible, but it's not like Olympic Judo programs are turning out MMA talent right now. Every thing is Folk and BJJ at the moment, and it says a lot when the best grapple in the sport with a black belt in Judo doesn't even bother to use it.
There is!! Fighting films actually presents competition examples at the end, if you are subscribed you can see them, i didn't want to spend much time in the video talking about it, but here's the trailer showing 2 quick competition examples. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jAt-OiZ9_Aw.html
