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The Male Character Situation is Sad 

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Players and Developers at Kuro Games have allegedly been getting DOXXED over male characters. Combining this factor with others like the poor sales data for males in Punishing Gray Raven, it's clear why Wuthering Waves didn't launch with many males on their roadmap.
With the incredible revenue potential we've seen from games like Love & Deepspace, many believe that Kuro is missing out on a sizeable amount of revenue. However, as WuWa's audience continues to grow and develop, the current ratio is something we might see change in the future. Find out why.
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@Nakirakira
@Nakirakira 2 дня назад
Hello , I’m that Knito you mentioned . Ofc it’s just one twitter account saying all these stuff , but from what I’ve seen on the CN side (bilibili , I’m Chinese) This situation is very much real , you could argue it’s a vocal minority (as stated by the OP themselves) . But that minority can be very destructive and ofc go to extreme lengths . If you just piece together what we already have nowadays : Firefly doxxing drama , AP male character incident , edit : (new game CN only) GuilonChao glc incident . It just shows how corrupted the CN side is . Though I’ve heard the government is taking action by implementing laws against these crimes . Only time could tell if anything will change .
@srdragan317
@srdragan317 2 дня назад
well look like chinise are turning gay
@ianjaysiah508
@ianjaysiah508 2 дня назад
@Nakirakira About the GLC incident : The incels said glc should be call otome lmao then proceed to harass the team for release kinda a lot of male characters too but im glad as a new game glc still follow what they believe and said they'll make a 1:1 ratio in releasing char, (not really right now but it's their plan, currently it's 10 females : 6 males ) One of its GLC devs made insulting comments towards male players. And devs has long ignored opinions from male players ( Basically only listening to female players ). This has led to the game being hated even by Mihoyo haters, as most of them are male. it's 2024, either 1:1 or Closer to 1:1 If Kuro manage to redeem itself : either give 2.1 to 2.X back to back males, kuro can use the females as reruns so the best ratio : 17:21 or 18: 21
@saturna1576
@saturna1576 2 дня назад
Honestly this just tells me a lot that CN just feels time and time again for special treatment and entitlement, they will go radical lengths if they don't get what they want and if global gets anything they will also do their utmost to destroy those rewards (bunny girl incident), ironic how people then wanna say "Westerners are Woke" or something as soon as they get the opportunity
@sonjab.6852
@sonjab.6852 2 дня назад
@@ianjaysiah508 I looked that game up and it looks very good ngl. Artstyle is very nice. Hope it gets a global release too! :)
@zealgaming8161
@zealgaming8161 День назад
This is so awful to hear. Absolute trash like Candy Crush far outearn games like this that put 100x more dev time and money into their games, with no drama as normies for better stuff to do. Gamers is a really awful consumer base to aim for, not only so we bring little income compared to the unwashed masses. But also stirr up endless drama too.
@HisuiOgawa
@HisuiOgawa 2 дня назад
To be fair to Jiyan, his banner was drowned under technical issues and free pulls. 😂
@dot2615
@dot2615 2 дня назад
Lmao exactly what I keep saying, a vast majority couldn't even log in during his banner💀
@whatabother2001
@whatabother2001 2 дня назад
This^ I didn't spend any money on his banner because I wasn't sure I would stay. But now that the issues are mostly patched, I *would* throw my wallet at him
@Mizdigo
@Mizdigo 2 дня назад
I love waifus and mommies in gachas. But Jiyan is still my main in WuWa. Qingloong is so freak cool badass as ultimate or spear.
@DiamondCityLights
@DiamondCityLights 2 дня назад
this doesn’t change much, if you compare gacha games that have both genders, male banners never outsell female banners.
@HisuiOgawa
@HisuiOgawa 2 дня назад
@@DiamondCityLights true, since most gachas play the waifu route so that’s kinda expected at that point, but he still would have performed better than he did if not for the messy launch. (I mean, two of my waifu collectors friends wanted him really really bad and ended up not pulling for him because they couldn’t even play till the point where you unlock the convene function lol)
@TheXander2004
@TheXander2004 2 дня назад
im a guy but i also want more males cos of the fact that they're more likely to feel unique. theres been so many female chars in gacha that you gotta nail so many different aspects of their design in order for the char to standout and i like wuwa's female chars but i feel like ive seen all them before in other stories. But this is less likely to happen with male chars just cos theres way less of them in gacha
@niconii3663
@niconii3663 10 часов назад
technically this is true but when i look at all the female 5* releases and xiangli yao i think almost all female characters still look better and more unique than him so it's not always the case. xiangli yao looks like your typical shoujo love interest lol
@badqualityfrog9367
@badqualityfrog9367 2 дня назад
The want for more men is mainly based on leaks, apparently we aren’t getting any until 2.1, which is a while especially knowing how good the male characters look in the game. Just wish the cn community wasn’t so arrogant
@stardust4229
@stardust4229 2 дня назад
Thing is... we don't want any males in 2.1, we want Geshu Lin or Scar...
@Hayatosusumi483
@Hayatosusumi483 2 дня назад
@@stardust4229 True
@badqualityfrog9367
@badqualityfrog9367 2 дня назад
@@stardust4229 I fine with any male as long as they’re cool and not a child or femboy
@hiiambarney4489
@hiiambarney4489 2 дня назад
Lonely Chinese...
@lawinheritor5122
@lawinheritor5122 2 дня назад
Just make badass and cool male character. CN couldn't stand that cause they're all beta male themself
@awholesomehimbo
@awholesomehimbo 2 дня назад
I do hope that Kuro does release more male characters. Their designs have been a breath of fresh air and I’d love to see what Kuro can do with other aspects and archetypes. Especially seeing what they’ve cooked up with so far
@orekihoutarou9376
@orekihoutarou9376 2 дня назад
There's no male character till 2.0 😂😂
@pauloazuela8488
@pauloazuela8488 День назад
@@orekihoutarou9376 That can still change remember a leak about 1.2 camellya and scar banner will be there , look at us now?
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 День назад
talk with your wallet, if you want more male characters then whale out for the few male banners you got to show the devs that people actually want them instead of just complains on the comments sections, like they say, talk is cheap.
@cckiller4378
@cckiller4378 4 часа назад
​@f.b.l.9813 I would but couldn't even log in during Jiyans banner and xangli yao was given for free 😂
@kleeio
@kleeio 2 дня назад
fully male open world gacha when lol
@CoFF3e_Man
@CoFF3e_Man 2 дня назад
It depends on the quality of it... If the quality is low, it will be another Concord If the quality is high, it will probably reach from Snowbreak to NIKKE level, depending on the gacha system
@dot2615
@dot2615 2 дня назад
Recently there's a male only srpg mecha gacha coming soon so hopefully the gate opens more for high quality ones🙏
@ZetaZeds
@ZetaZeds 2 дня назад
Dustbrown
@davidzaslavsky2076
@davidzaslavsky2076 2 дня назад
​@@dot2615Do you know the name of the game?
@dot2615
@dot2615 2 дня назад
@@davidzaslavsky2076 Serenverse! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b8RxbaQjP9k.htmlsi=bYYCSn3wYEd1NOXg
@hunterxkiller8732
@hunterxkiller8732 2 дня назад
I wanna see more males in gachas, not just that but cool dudes too. I'm tired of waifus, bring on the homies.
@mraksoveech
@mraksoveech 2 дня назад
Imagine a gacha game adding that one super chill male character who is canonicaly the player character's drinking buddy
@lucaskp16
@lucaskp16 2 дня назад
@@mraksoveech unnaironically honkai impact 3 (yeah the game that would sooner kill devs than have male playable characters) has this guy, ofc he is dead the stop any shipping from taking place, but is literally the best bud of the previous era protagonist is this kind of guy . something that non Hi3 dont know about the game is that it puts a LOT of time and effort in its canon male characters, some have entire 50 cap mangas and 10hours visual novels outside the game spending their past. and ingame they are the leaders of all 3 factions in the game, and are presented as heroes and the saviors of humanity. yes 2 of them becomes the 2 main enemies in the game but the player has a lot of respect of why they do what they do and a lot even agree with them. but they are ofc not playable outside parts of the history (yes the make playable males for the player to use for 30 min and never again.)
@yce_jo
@yce_jo 2 дня назад
@@lucaskp16 kebin my man, left in the dust somewhere in the hoyo drawer while otto and welt are now playable in a different universe.
@hunterxkiller8732
@hunterxkiller8732 2 дня назад
@@mraksoveech preach brother!
@elemental307
@elemental307 День назад
​@@mraksoveechthat would be amazing ngl
@andikim1498
@andikim1498 День назад
Correction: Jiyan is still the top selling wuwa banner in japan even with wuwa’s rocky release, yinlin banner is currently 3rd place, while jinhsi is 2nd. You can check this data in game-i website About lee low sales is probably because kuro nerfed him to the ground on his release and he doesnt have time stop which is a meta
@kogorun
@kogorun День назад
Personally I think Lee still slaps, but having only 1 time stop that goes on a cooldown really gates him. It's similar to Bianca, afaik. Still, he's heavily catered to women, so that's probably a big part of why he's unpopular.
@dendenmushi9714
@dendenmushi9714 8 часов назад
Where is Changli? Its interesting because in CN she's 4th above Jinhsi (9th) and Yinlin (8th). Even in popularity she beat both again in Japan.
@kawaiimika7974
@kawaiimika7974 5 часов назад
Yeah, Jiyan is probably the highest selling banner because they dropped the game.
@callistohours13
@callistohours13 3 часа назад
Nerf? How weird. I guess my Xiangli Yao dealing 109k dmg without buffs is nerf then 🤷‍♂️
@Zyleace
@Zyleace 16 минут назад
​@@callistohours13They are talking about PGR Lee, not Xiangli Yao.
@pumkinpatchwork
@pumkinpatchwork 4 часа назад
women make up pretty much exactly 50% of the gamer demographic. and we’ve seen from love and deepspace and other husbands gacha banners just how much money female-oriented characters/games can make, especially when there’s not that many high quality fighting games in that niche. I understand the loud and horrible incel minority in CN (and even global) communities but it never made any sense to me how little gacha games wanted to cater towards literally half of their whole playerbase and not release more sexy male designs. there’s always way more women characters than men and the few male designs are often just boring and/or completely covered from head to toe and barely sexy (compared to half naked female characters)
@erluq9309
@erluq9309 2 дня назад
I really don’t get gacha players who only want female characters. Us boys all look up to spiderman, batman, and superman as a kid and we thought they’re cool af. Why can’t we have those for gacha games too?
@lawinheritor5122
@lawinheritor5122 2 дня назад
@@erluq9309 100% agree brother, I would like to play as badass cool male character more then play a waifu bait like zhezhi or that lumi. I like changli and yinlin cause they're badass and cool yet loveable. I want self instert myself in the game as a badass and cool male to you know
@johns783
@johns783 2 дня назад
my waifu army is a waifu army. dudes are easy skips that make sure my army isnt missing anyone essential.
@icon2719
@icon2719 2 дня назад
@@johns783just shows you are so inferior and pathetic compared to fictional men
@TerreneitorPlusUltra
@TerreneitorPlusUltra 2 дня назад
Same i always prefer male mains and female supports
@vatekanore3756
@vatekanore3756 2 дня назад
Sadly, it's very safe to say that players like that don't actually look at them like anything cool but just.. something to goon to
@jinamv5832
@jinamv5832 2 дня назад
i don't give a damn thing about the male players harassement to those who want male characters in wuwa, just look at the design and gameplay of the latest PGR characters (lee hyperreal, noctis indomitus, watanabe epitaph and wanshi lucid dreamer), those characters tell you that Kuro knows how to make really good male characters and also just by reading their chapters you will like them
@Kramer8
@Kramer8 2 дня назад
You wouldn't say that if you're involved in CN situation.
@badqualityfrog9367
@badqualityfrog9367 2 дня назад
@@jinamv5832 That’s also the reason why I want them to add more, cause they put a lot of effort into them
@Zephyrion22
@Zephyrion22 2 дня назад
that's exactly why they complain though ? "Oh man, PGR has incredible husbands ! I kind of want to play this game seriously now ! ok let me see current meta teams... oh there are 6 teams of 3 characters...oh we have 2 guys and 16 girls ! OOf...Ok lemme check if I can go half meta half casual and see the slots I can downgrade to put characters I like in there...Oh half of them don't even *have* an option for downgrading. Okay but Uns DO have very cool husbands...Wait uns are scrapped as a concept ? And both Selena and Qu became omns, but Roland, Noan and Camu are still in jail to this day ? Well, anyway, these guys are so cool, I can just play casually and get them skins...Oh they have 1 to 2 skins to average, and they're usually free and no SFX. No gacha skin to this day." People got mad for the Lee situation for a reason, and that reason is just not Lee himself. They just thought if one character could escape the trend it was him...And oh boy what a rude awakening this was. So yeah they stop caring. I enjoy both guys and girls + the game as a whole so I'm staying, but you just cannot say with a straight face that male chars don't get absolutely shafted in every department except design/writing quality xD
@etherealmoon7169
@etherealmoon7169 День назад
This is why I wish there could be a game where its just male characters, like there's so many female character only games out there. (Who knows, if a game like that does release, players like them might troll and come play the game saying "why arent there female characters?") Now, when we get games where both genders are present, toxic ass ppl like this come raiding and harassing players who are not like them. "Oh, just play tears of themis/ love and deepspace if you want male characters". No bish, interacting and actually playing the character is different. Why must we limit good male characters to only dating games? (Side note, this is why I like obey me cause mc doesnt have a fixed gender, very inclusive!) We can even uno reverse card them by saying "Oh you dont want to see male characters added? Go play HI3/ Goddess Era etc." Also the part where they killed a cat that looked like scara... are you shitting me rn?? Sometimes I wish we can ban ppl like this permanently. Like please, get help.
@s0fla1r
@s0fla1r День назад
True.. We just want to play the game in peace. Who cares about gender. If the character is amazing, just pull.
@ousen3629
@ousen3629 10 часов назад
get help
@domellie22
@domellie22 5 часов назад
I also like Obey Me because they don't tell you if you're a male or female. Also, I hate it their way to reply to it is just play Love and Deepspace. It's not even the same kind of games LOL. And I also hate that some of them think it's gay to have male characters. Like wow...
@djroguefireify
@djroguefireify Час назад
I wouldn't bother getting annoyed by those losers really. Think about how sad it is that their lives revolve around 3D women.
@saintontas
@saintontas 2 дня назад
One thing I want to point out is that WuWa has given very few reasons for Husbando enjoyers to spend on the game With Jiyan 'free' from beginning story pulls as the first limited banner, and Xiangli given out for free regardless, there was nothing for players to spend on other than sequence nodes or their weapon. Just like how a lot of waifu players say 'eww, male, skip patch', that's exactly what husbando enjoyers are doing for consecutive patches in WuWa. How can we blame male characters for low revenue when people never need to spend to get them? Waifu enjoyers have been feeling a ton of pressure to spend because of how many characters have or will be coming out. Give husbando enjoyers pressure to spend as well with more new characters. We know they can spend because of Love and Deepspace's performance, just give them a reason to.
@po8883
@po8883 2 дня назад
I think people are purposefully missing the point of your last comment, as I completely understand what you mean. I think this comment greatly sums up what you said in the video and even adds on to it.
@ugh5281
@ugh5281 2 дня назад
@@devildante9 why does it bother you so much that players are "whining and crying" about the lack of male characters? it just means that wuwa has a diverse playerbase that is not composed of only straight men that only want waifus in their game, otherwise people wouldn't be complaining in the first place. even if there are more men than women playing wuwa, the fact that the gender ratio has become a daily topic of discussion means that it's an issue that needs to be addressed and not disregarding saying stuff like "leave and go play other games". if people can complain about QOL stuff, story, VA and so on then people should also be able to complain about a game that was advertised as mixed gender not releasing enough male characters. people are not asking for an equal gender ratio, people are just asking for them to release male characters more often. having two patches (three, if the leaks are true) back to back with only female characters is honestly ridiculous ratio for a game like wuwa that was advertised as a mixed-gender game and that wants to reach global success and have a "broad playerbase".
@arkcanon1282
@arkcanon1282 2 дня назад
They are doing this move because of the P:GR Male Characters Incident. I'mma say they will be doing this and placing Male Characters in patches loaded with Astrites or giving them a free Limited 5-star like Xiangli Yao in the future. So it will be hard to get good revenues in the future male banners. Oh yeah, we also need to factor how predatory LaDS systems compare to WW.
@PY3100
@PY3100 2 дня назад
Exactly omg like as an f2p, I have Jiyan and Yao, their weapons, AND all the other male characters in the game except for Lingyang and I still have +200 pulls considering I pulled for Yinlin as well.. Even if a new male releases after 1.4, I will manage to get the characters and the weapon 100%. How do you expect them to sell if you give us MONTHS to save 😭? I mean, sure, I'm glad, but this is a gacha game, I wanna use my currency and pull, not save for god knows how long to finally pull..
@arkcanon1282
@arkcanon1282 2 дня назад
@@PY3100 ez, you just need to use your wallet even though you saved up.
@xuxu0366
@xuxu0366 2 дня назад
I whaled for Yao even if he is free and made him S4, and also sent feedback directly to them both in survey and the normal way, this is the most I can do. Also the Yao event in JPN last weekend was super popular. I hope that they realize the potential. I think he attracted a lot of people to the game, so it is in their best interest to not lose those clients by making them wait too much for another character.
@risdhh_
@risdhh_ 2 дня назад
u call that whaling
@Rantinggrounds
@Rantinggrounds 2 дня назад
@@risdhh_ ITs whailing my dude
@saiavabel6076
@saiavabel6076 2 дня назад
​@@risdhh_ it is whaling
@minuteman21
@minuteman21 2 дня назад
Did you pull his signature weapon too?
@issacclarke4194
@issacclarke4194 2 дня назад
Good job man, hope at least hear this
@chaoLirath
@chaoLirath День назад
If they don't release male characters in the next 5 months you can bet they lose a significant portion of their player base. Thank you for bringing light to this topic.
@ousen3629
@ousen3629 10 часов назад
If they don't release male characters in the next 5 months you can bet they lose a significant portion of NOTHING. Thank you for bringing light to this topic.
@chaoLirath
@chaoLirath 7 часов назад
@@ousen3629 Okay incel. Calm down.
@xiaoshortie
@xiaoshortie 6 часов назад
​@@ousen3629not everyone is like you I wanna see MEN. Using male characters hits different although I'm a whale for every new character jiyan is still my fav
@xLuis89x
@xLuis89x 3 часа назад
A significant portion who only complains and denigrates the male portion of the playerbase , yeah, good riddance
@xLuis89x
@xLuis89x 3 часа назад
​@@chaoLirathlmfao still thinking incel is a good insult, that comment is why that people want the ones like you out of their games, lmfao
@celphalonred1999
@celphalonred1999 2 дня назад
Need for male characters. Goin like 4/5 females 1 male is annoying.
@xLuis89x
@xLuis89x 3 часа назад
They do what makes them more money, If females were a bigger spending audience they would do more male characters, love and deep space is an entirely different genre that carters exclusively to women and should not be a talking point when complaining that the female playerbase is significant enough to warrant an increase of male characters in a mixed gender game
@Roihclem871
@Roihclem871 2 дня назад
CN players are always unhinged. The equivalent of not getting the doll you want from your mom at the store
@user-vs3oe7bp3z
@user-vs3oe7bp3z 14 минут назад
Genshin also had this problem once because Hoyoverse’s games always has more females.Wanderer was hated by CN players because one of the reasons was they released too many males in Sumeru.
@X01_007
@X01_007 2 дня назад
Scar and Geshu lin will be One Of if not The Most Popular Character Banners in WuWa ever. I've wanted Scar and Geshu Lin from the start but I think Kuro is saving them for a better time. My favorite character rn is Jiyan and I chose Male Rover over Female Rover. I want more Men... 💀 (Not anything Of Sus)
@bleachinmyeyespls
@bleachinmyeyespls 2 дня назад
Ye no lmao. You really think male characters gonna get higher revenue than female characters in a gacha game... Shorekeeper and camellya will easily break records from before, and theres a less than 1% chance of any male characters breaking these records.
@Hayatosusumi483
@Hayatosusumi483 2 дня назад
Sure😏
@lawinheritor5122
@lawinheritor5122 2 дня назад
Cool bro no prob with that. Badass male is cool too
@erluq9309
@erluq9309 2 дня назад
We all look up to spiderman, batman & superman back when we were boys bcs they’re cool. The internet forgot that and now they act like its gay to want to play as male fictional characters
@devinsimon7721
@devinsimon7721 2 дня назад
​@@erluq9309 That's called toxic masculinity. It's been affecting video games since 1987.
@ermika_kris6256
@ermika_kris6256 2 дня назад
If Kuro wants to have male character's banners be so rare and few every patch but absolutely put so much effort into them, I wouldn't mind it. I'm holding my opinion until 2.0 banners XD However, I can understand the frustration. Also as someone who's willing to spend for male banners, it's like they don't want us to spend XD
@CoFF3e_Man
@CoFF3e_Man 2 дня назад
Kuro rarely releases male characters in PGR, but when they do? Whew! Are they so damn good! Regardless of people complaining about Lee, he is still a very good character with having one of the greatest chapters i. PGR
@Cloke100
@Cloke100 2 дня назад
I stand with the sentiment of more male characters, if one comes I don't care much for I save resources. If one comes I like I get a new cool character to play with. That fan derangement do be crazy tho, for sure plays a role
@johncardboard4624
@johncardboard4624 2 дня назад
1:26 this is why HI3 is dead now. Should have stayed deaf and made those summer skins. This is what happens when you listen to the mentally ill.
@lawinheritor5122
@lawinheritor5122 2 дня назад
Whoever still play that game is just brainroot lesbian/yuri fan who doesn't have alive outside their genital inducing lesbian game
@whatamess8894
@whatamess8894 2 дня назад
Nhaa the reason is different in the community, the rework on many things on second part didnt go well with the playerbase.
@Kas-m2z
@Kas-m2z 2 дня назад
Many long time players have left because the original story has concluded. The new story just isn't as good, and the game has become more demanding for people with less capable phones.
@ChocolateBuns-fq1nk
@ChocolateBuns-fq1nk 2 дня назад
I agree
@yce_jo
@yce_jo 2 дня назад
@@Kas-m2z yeah. for me, they should've just made part 2 a different game. the captainverse is good too. does it still continue?
@babyanglefish
@babyanglefish 2 дня назад
im gonna need scar's bottom surgery zipper back.
@hungerdanceofkaa
@hungerdanceofkaa 2 дня назад
Onigiri King supremacy 👹
@celphalonred1999
@celphalonred1999 2 дня назад
I don't lmao.
@Shadowflutter196
@Shadowflutter196 2 дня назад
🖐️ Picked male Rover because he looks cool
@anisnissa
@anisnissa 2 дня назад
Me too 😊
@MichusubPl
@MichusubPl 2 дня назад
CN community is a perfect reflection of twitter
@PhantomZwei
@PhantomZwei 2 дня назад
What annoys me is people asking specifically for Scar and Geshu Lin NOW. These characters simply don't make sense to introduce into the game as our allies at this point in the story. We have no reason to team up with Scar at this point, but I have no doubt that will eventually change. Geshu Lin is a mystery that will need to be solved, but we have to reach the point in the story for that mystery to organically enter the story that Kuro has in mind. I don't want a game that shoehorns in Geshu Lin simply to appease people; I want a game that tells a compelling story and introduces characters at the right time to fit the story being told. There are, of course, completely fair reasons for husbando enjoyers to be disgruntled, but they need to keep in mind the flow of the game's narrative when it comes to the particular characters they're requesting. However, I do think that in place of characters that have little consequence to the narrative (like Zhezhi for example; sorry Zhezhi enjoyers, but she just isn't particularly core to the plot) they could absolutely throw in some husbandos to appease the crowd looking for that sort of thing until the big guys reemerge in the story.
@arkcanon1282
@arkcanon1282 2 дня назад
This i agree
@longphan7656
@longphan7656 2 дня назад
i mean that's just the Genshin or Hoyo's writing; if you play other gacha games, the so called "villains" or "bad guys" dont need to turn good, become ally or completely change their goal and ideology to be playable. They just simply let the bad guys be bad as is
@arkcanon1282
@arkcanon1282 2 дня назад
@@longphan7656 if we look at P:GR's track record, Bosses in there become playable characters with 1 year time gap because of story reasons so expect the same will happen with Scar in WW. Only Geshulin here is the wildcard because he is a mystery.
@PY3100
@PY3100 2 дня назад
Trust me, it doesn't have to be a 5*.. just throw a random 4* male like you did with Youhu and Lumi and we'll still be happy
@whatabother2001
@whatabother2001 2 дня назад
Yep, demanding geshulin now is unrealistic. We don't even know he's alive or not. But dear lord, waiting for post 2.0 for even a hint of at least a new 4s male character is wild
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
not to mention men banners benefits waifu collectors too. it gives them time to save and gather resources for their desired waifu. atp husbando enjoyers could guarantee any character they want with weapons as well. i was able to raise xiangli yao to level 90 day one because i pre-farmed for him and looked forward to him. the problem is that because of people having enough to get their husbando for free just by dailies, it results in less revenue and the argument about how men "don't sell". it's a cycle.
@Komi1corno
@Komi1corno 2 дня назад
Honestly i hope WuWa don't end being more of the same, like 30+ limited 5 stars females and dunno...15+ 4 stars and end up with 10 males at max with about 8 4 stars. I wouldn't even care if it's old granpas and Granny's, just don't be more of the same
@xLuis89x
@xLuis89x 3 часа назад
So you want the Games to earn as little as possible then 😂
@SM64_Mario
@SM64_Mario 3 часа назад
@@xLuis89xgod forbid someone wants a character in a game to be a male
@Ehehehbleh
@Ehehehbleh 2 дня назад
I just want badass and edgy villain characters cus i bored of good guys
@tsuhao7767
@tsuhao7767 2 дня назад
Well i heard that love and deepspace actually is the game with more gambling than WW, that's are one of many factors make husbando enjoyer spent so much money on it. And yeah, the situation with male characters might not be good until 2.0. But... As a one of some people who hype for Xiangly Yao since the drip marketing like me, im quite happy for what we got right now. And we also had Jiyan as maybe the best trailer in WW so far. So i hope that although the ratio of male characters might be low, but each of them has to be really memorable in some aspect
@saintontas
@saintontas 2 дня назад
I definitely think male enjoyers got a great treat with Xiangli being free, but the idea here is that there's a LOT of potential revenue from male enjoyers across the globe, as proven by LADS' success. Spending in gacha games has to start somewhere, and when a player spends once they're a lot more likely to spend again. With Xiangli Yao being free, and Jiyan being the first limited character (enough pulls in story to go to pity twice without spending), any husbando enjoyer essentially got both male characters for free; if all they wanted to spend money on was husbandos, there's no actual reason to in WuWa other than getting their sequence nodes or weapon.
@elyon4501
@elyon4501 2 дня назад
Love and Deepspace player here: yes it is probably one of the most predatory gachas out there currently. I'm nowhere near f2p, but even so, I need to focus on only one love interest if I don't want to go broke on a gacha game (having a few of them to play). And even with that, it's really hard sometimes. While I love the game, the fact that every single story in otome game which is in fact, story driven game is hidden behind the gacha system is just annoying. Especially when it comes to the Myths section which is huge lore chunks for every LI (well, Myths are about their past/future incarnations and their relationships with MC). There's no "grinding content" aka getting very important Memories (cards) for free, but you need to grind hard. The fact that there's no schedule (aside from birthday banners), no roadmap, sometimes banners are back to back with no break in between is really tiring. And it's not like we have a couple of weeks for a banner, some of them last for around 7-10 days which is extremely short, compared to the amount of diamonds (premium currency) we can actually get from dailies etc. Sorry for the wall of text, but having all of these factors (plus many others, I don't want my post going for ages) really does their job for the high revenue. LAD is unfortunately really expensive and hard to play without spending rl money.
@tsuhao7767
@tsuhao7767 2 дня назад
@@saintontas yes! I really want to see more male characters in WW as well in the future. But aside from the potential of revenue, Kuro also have to consider the way chinese players will react to certaint information as well. Look at Genshin Impact, i barely remember the time they actually doing something the players ask them to before of WW release, but i do know the cases when Zhongli come out and Neuvillette nerf incident. They took action so quickly when chinese players got problem. So if such a company like Mihoyo back down from chinese community, imagine how much more impactful for a company with good interaction with players like Kuro have to consider
@ugh5281
@ugh5281 2 дня назад
@@saintontas true but honesly, it's not even just about the revenue. female players and husbando enjoyers as a whole are basically free promotion for the game. they make tons of edits and fanart related to the game and its characters and it keeps the community engaged and brings in new players, making the playerbase more diverse. that's basically how i discovered wuwa in the first place, i kept seeing fan edits and fanart of scar everywhere and a lot of people were thirsting for him.
@PY3100
@PY3100 2 дня назад
​@@ugh5281 My friend showed me a picture of Jiyan back then in cbt1 days and I immediately went, "I'm in. When is it going to release?"
@whatabother2001
@whatabother2001 2 дня назад
I'm grateful that the chn government has apparently paid more attention to the harassment issue. They've now implemented a law regarding that. I think that's why Kuro said they want to balance out the female-male ratio in the future (when Kuro, when?). They've grown as a company, and now have further backing from the law
@LennyTheHopeless
@LennyTheHopeless 2 дня назад
I enjoy pulling for both men and women 😊 I do think the story needs more men though. When its an almost all female cast in a games main story it feels very.... unreal to me.
@Aemeris98
@Aemeris98 2 дня назад
The big issue is 2.0 has already been leaked and it’s two females again. So we have to wait 5-6 months for the next male…
@resolvedfate1295
@resolvedfate1295 2 дня назад
Ya it a 5 star gun girl. I like that though. As a wanted a 5 star gun user. But the other female is a downer.
@Ravonaa
@Ravonaa 2 дня назад
The leaks are shoddy on 2.0. The only actual consensus from all leaks I’ve seen is the gun/glacio girl, the second character (most likely a 5* given it’s 2.0) is nowhere to be confirmed or speculated.
@ugh5281
@ugh5281 2 дня назад
it wouldn't surprise me but i would still be skeptical before believing any leaks from 2.0 onwards... a lot of them are questionable.
@Aemeris98
@Aemeris98 2 дня назад
@@Ravonaa Second girl is violin broadblade
@nobletenshi7659
@nobletenshi7659 2 дня назад
You trust leakers ? They were saying camillya, 1.3, then 1.4. then 2.0, theb back to 1.4 and right before Kuro dropped her, they were saying shes delayed to 2.0 again... The even got Lumi wrong, she wasnt even on their radar . They been bouncing around Scar too. These guys are full of shit for views.. I've started blocking them when they appear in my feed.
@Gyrus1
@Gyrus1 2 дня назад
I want unggabungga character. They can be male or female as long as its ungabunga
@enaisgay
@enaisgay 7 часов назад
REAL!! WHERE ARE THE UNGABUNGA CHARACTERS KURO GAMES PLEASE
@coralreef6298
@coralreef6298 2 дня назад
I want more male characters, from the first moment I saw Geshulin, I was hooked, I need that man
@seunghoonyu6863
@seunghoonyu6863 2 дня назад
If Geshulin is the general who you talk to for simulations then holy moly my wallets open and ready.
@alexfrank5331
@alexfrank5331 2 дня назад
Geshulin has the same neck as Scar.
@LilySiti
@LilySiti 2 дня назад
The masc to femme 5 stars ratio in this game is abyssmal and this coming from a pansexual. I hope game devs and gamers realise how much spending power (and fanpower) the female gamers (and Gays) have. Love and deepspace and Tears of Themis especially have survived on their dedicated fanbase despite not being as popular (in the case of ToT)
@NoctisStrife88
@NoctisStrife88 2 дня назад
I'm loving yao. Lvl 70 pushing 2600 atk. I'm running lingering tunes and I'm killing everything
@panjimartiandaru3081
@panjimartiandaru3081 2 дня назад
How the heck you got that much atk? 😮 Are you using atk 3 cost echoes? 🤔
@NoctisStrife88
@NoctisStrife88 2 дня назад
@@panjimartiandaru3081 43311. Each I'm using 4. My stats are insane
@kriximae2817
@kriximae2817 2 дня назад
Personally, as a husbando player, I really don’t mind that the male characters are spaced out far from each other. It makes getting their S6 much easier for me. I told myself to be patient, because it all works out in my wallet’s favor. Since getting S6 Jiyan, I skipped every banner until Xiangli Yao, and got him to S4 without topping up (granted, lunite subscription + battle pass). And I’ll do the same until the next husbando. I am pulling for SK tho. That girlie is cracked!
@asterh6315
@asterh6315 2 дня назад
I have always enjoyed playing wuthering waves, but it seems like Kuro is only serving a degener!te side of their community. We do not necessarily need Scar or Geshulin, any male would do and just a fair female to male ratio.
@arkcanon1282
@arkcanon1282 2 дня назад
C'mon now Husbando enjoyers/Male Characters lovers are degenerates too. Don't lie to yourself bro. Both sides are degenerates.
@CoFF3e_Man
@CoFF3e_Man 2 дня назад
And how would they insert them to the story? Zhezhi was already foreshadowed in 1.1, considering Fuling is a painter and is connected to the Artist Association, same with the painter guy in the daily quest... Youhu was mentioned in Yinlin's story quest and Lumi was already foreshadowed in 1.1..... It doesn't mean that I disagree with you, I also need male characters for world building, but in their current situation...Kuro are currently on tip toes
@asterh6315
@asterh6315 2 дня назад
@@CoFF3e_Man This is exactly the problem because they emphasized the inclusion of more females in the story since the beginning. I recall the mentioning of the Art Association but nothing about Zhezhi. It seems like I may have missed something because I really do not recall any relevant foreshadowing of Youhu or Lumi. But anyways, we'll see how things will progress from 1.4 onwards.
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
THIS
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
@@CoFF3e_Man I disagree. they can tweak the story slightly. like you had mentioned someone in a side quest? make them playable.
@Calcharoistherealchad
@Calcharoistherealchad 2 дня назад
My problem it's not even with the bad ratio, yeah it's bad. But.. I can't take the lore seriously with cringe dating simulator with waifus, I'm not into women...so i wish at least they could spare people from that scenes it's cringe
@clickclick8011
@clickclick8011 2 дня назад
Can you tell me when did they put cringe dating simulator? only cringe dating simulator i could think of is love and deep space
@Calcharoistherealchad
@Calcharoistherealchad День назад
@@hk_wolves9052 but that's the point. Not you not me should suffer with that. Everyone should have the right to skip, I don't want cringe Changli in romantic scenes, spare me of that. Actually, wuwa would be better without this s* dating simulator thing
@helpimbeingheldhostageOoO
@helpimbeingheldhostageOoO День назад
It's so funny that they're trying so hard to push the Yangyang x Rover ship, though hahaha
@Calcharoistherealchad
@Calcharoistherealchad День назад
@@hk_wolves9052 you felt cause it's the most obvious thing you don't like dudes in romantic sense. But does he touches your face? No. Changli does. I couldn't care less with someone cringe as her. You liked her quest cause you like waifus, so you feel uncomfortable with Yao it's more than natural. You are basically saying that it's all good to you cause you like waifus..
@Calcharoistherealchad
@Calcharoistherealchad День назад
@@hk_wolves9052 good for you. But many people care including me. If I wanted dating simulator I wouldn't get wuwa. I would go for deep space...not everyone enjoys cringe flirting. I want take the lore seriously, not possible with all the rizz.
@reggy7706
@reggy7706 2 дня назад
Honestly these types of players are the worst in any gacha game. It's incredibly annoying especially when they harrass game devs just because they wanna fulfill their parasocial video game harem
@michaelmarkcavita7979
@michaelmarkcavita7979 2 дня назад
Okay... I'll let them cook for now.
@Lance_Max
@Lance_Max 2 дня назад
I hope the overall community for WuWa is a lot more positive than other gaming communities out there. Coming from HI3rd, I couldn’t agree more with what you have mentioned about the toxicity of some of the players we have - except that in HI3rd, its coming from both CN & global. I just don’t get it why these players are so oppose of having a playable male characters. If you don’t like the characters then just skip it then. Why do they need to doxx the company up to the point of scrapping the playable male? PS: Mihoyo deleting the ‘male’ avatar is not the 1st time, the last time was when they tried to include playable Kevin, and boy, the whole community went nuts. Lol
@-uta806
@-uta806 День назад
I don't condone the harassment but I understand the frustration. With the game feeling like a female character only game gives the game the feel that it's purely made for gooner people. Seeing every character being female makes it very tiresome to play and look at.
@Glhrmars
@Glhrmars 2 дня назад
As a male player I really like to see male characters in the game, and actively said this every survey. I love how Kuro add characters matching them with the story, and both male and female characters are sooo well done! As a player I value for diversity in the games I play. The way I see, diversity (of gender included) turns the content more interesting and expand the possibilities. I don’t know if this is true but, WuWa seems to have more global players than PGR, maybe this have some practical difference? (I actually spend money for Yinlin banner 😅 because Jiyan came basically for free!)
@LittleSparklingStars
@LittleSparklingStars 2 дня назад
Western men actually roll on male characters. The issue is delulu chinese incels.
@Glhrmars
@Glhrmars День назад
@@LittleSparklingStars that’s a good point lol
@Chiriri123
@Chiriri123 2 дня назад
The CN situation is always crazy, I feel for the husbando players and support their fight for more, esp as a female player myself (although i’m a girl’s girl lol.) the only thing that sucks is the constant spamming under posts about other new characters. Tbh, we have no idea when scar will be playable. Enemy characters like scaramouche in genshin were made playable years after his first appearance. I’m very interested in who kuro will create for 2.0
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
i don't mind the spam. they're upset, rightfully so, and are expressing their frustrations and criticism of the game. it's not like they tell waifu enjoyers to die or doxx them
@xLuis89x
@xLuis89x 3 часа назад
​@@mctimmie8190they still attack waifu enjoyers calling them incel every time they can, so no, they are not that great .
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 3 часа назад
@@xLuis89x personally think there's a big difference between telling someone to unalive themselves and calling someone an incel but ok you di u
@nyeffer9414
@nyeffer9414 2 дня назад
I believe, the safest way is to release males on big female reruns.
@littlebigeats7682
@littlebigeats7682 2 дня назад
Nah… best time is right after a new premium waifu. Men have a refractory period. Any new waifu after a premium has awful sales just look at jade in hsr.
@kacper0563
@kacper0563 День назад
​@@littlebigeats7682Jade's issue is that she was a niche that no one really needed, because pure fiction was easy. But I believe with the release of yunli and soon Rappa pure fiction will start getting harder.
@valkyriearih4268
@valkyriearih4268 2 дня назад
I literally only started wuwa because of Xiangli Yao 😅 The designs of male characters in both WuWa and PGR are very hot, it's why i crave more lol
@SapphireYuna
@SapphireYuna День назад
Good time to start playing lol gotta grab that freebie
@Hubin12
@Hubin12 2 дня назад
Straight women should be appealed too to, not just straight men.
@alexfrank5331
@alexfrank5331 2 дня назад
Money talks. If women throw money, they will win. It's the same in Genshin. Way more guy characters in Genshin than typical gacha.
@Neoorooon
@Neoorooon 16 часов назад
​@@alexfrank5331 thats the reason why genshin got so popular though. Even in my country where people don't play gacha games it got so popular because it actually keeps a balance. Female characters are obviously more but there are male characters as well.
@user-miraje
@user-miraje 2 дня назад
Looking at Love and Deepspace, I just know that the male characters these games tend to use to appeal to female players don't look good to me. There is not as much of a problem in tastes for male players inbetween regions, the diversity of archetypes for female characters are well explored. But when you rarely market male characters, not only do they tend to stick to known formula, but it also leads to long wait for a male character that fit your tastes, if the last one missed the mark. I would know... I know how popular among the female Asian players these bishounen are, but I'll take the simulation training instructor Yhan over any of the guys in Love and Deepspace any day. Jiyan is kinda a middle ground, so I hope for at least a couple more male characters like him eventually. On a side note : Male players are incredibly obnoxious anytime female players speak up about their tastes. Because there's no data and many games are making use of their waifus to the max, they'll clamor male characters don't sell. But if your game doesn't seem invested in making a product, here male characters, of course the sales don't follow. You didn't even try to capture that demographic in the first place... There may be a minority asking for more, but if the sales don't follow, they won't bother trying again. If they do less, the females players will give up and leave and you'll get less sales for male characters next time. It's a vicious cycle. A game has to prove some actual intention to explore that market, not hope throwing a bait every now and then will magically get them all the fish. I'm just hoping that Love and Deepspace will prove a point and more daring devs will try new things. If a Honkai Impact 3rd game with husbandos instead of waifus happen, I'll play it. For now, they're convinced female players only want to play dating sim and it's the worst.
@ZiiiZero
@ZiiiZero День назад
Yeah, and also husbando pullers might not need to spend real money on their banners, because they can just save their premium currency through the many female character patches if they want. :P Which also looks like people aren't using money on the male banners.
@TheJNGKvault
@TheJNGKvault 2 дня назад
I am fine with whatever it is, but at least fight fairly. Sending death threads and similar actions would not win you over anything kiddos. Get a life, touch some grass, the game is not what determines your future outcomes so you have to take it seriously.
@ZiiiZero
@ZiiiZero День назад
I don't need to get Scar or Geshu Lin right now, I agree that getting them when they're story relevant is best. However, I would like to know that we are getting male character at all (that aren't necessarily just those two) and if we're getting a male character only two or three times per year. Also, I don't agree going along with these doxxers and harassers. They will just think their tactic is working and are rewarded for it, so they keep doing it. If I was also manic about getting specific characters, should I start doxxing random people and Kuro for it? What nonsense. If gacha games made gender ratio 50/50 or near it from the beginning then those idiots would have less of a reason to expect the game to only be a waifu collector game and the game might attract a different audience.
@youdoyou2234
@youdoyou2234 2 дня назад
It is so bad. We only got Jiyan in 4 months (excluding free characters) and it looks like we will not get anything the next two patches. That is nearly 7 months. Just ridiculous. So many players will quit playing.
@resolvedfate1295
@resolvedfate1295 2 дня назад
Ya, like it is telling when Camillya is released. And the comments are mostly about Scar. So players are getting tired of the constant females.
@thecasualgamer9661
@thecasualgamer9661 2 дня назад
*Many players will quit, but there's still much more players(whale) playing the game for waifus. Tbh, I don't think female players are nonexistent in this game, it's just that male player base is much bigger.
@karew7051
@karew7051 2 дня назад
In what other gacha there are male characters every patch or every other patch? Why is everyone pretending that Kuro is oppressing them LMAO, it is industry standard
@obitormn4714
@obitormn4714 2 дня назад
if kuro starts going industry standard behaviour than forget free limited 5* characters in future​@@karew7051
@toast7671
@toast7671 2 дня назад
@@karew7051 in Hoyo games (except Hi3 and GZZ)
@SarKo-4
@SarKo-4 16 часов назад
Yes let’s cater towards the vocal minority that doesn’t found shit sounds like a smart plan
@zeratos
@zeratos 10 часов назад
At this point it's just very tiring, until 2.0 there aren't any male characters. It is literally ¼ of a year from now. and after that it rumors to be Chun ( gun user still female) and they added a another one. And the only decent banner male characters had was JIYAN... And xiangli yao was basically free! It doesn't matter how generous they are If you can't enjoy it! Just thinking, i have to wait for literally half a year to pull a character i like 😅
@roshup4354
@roshup4354 2 дня назад
The thing im excited for is either for story quest for calcharo or story quest for gen shulin
@ronnyrdr6553
@ronnyrdr6553 2 дня назад
Well it also doesn't help that since the majority is female. The cracked/OP/account changing/future proof characters usually don't happen to be the male ones. For example with Calcharo and Xiangli, Yuanwu is just never going to be a dps unless you really love the aesthetic of the character. I myself have tried to make aalto work. But besides the fact he's counted as the worst character in wuwa. Chixia just got him beat on the dps scale. I'm not even going to start about the sillyness of Lingyang. So we got Mortefi. The overshadowed/powercrept calcharo for Xiangli and Jiyan holding the line for the males. That is 4 male character in a serious down spiral and we are only in 1.2. So i think a 2 - 1 ratio for F - M would be nice. I imagine a company would sooner choose 3 -1. But regardless of how many they make. If they turn out to be an aalto they will not sell. If they turn out to be a Lingyang it will only be for the niche. If they turn out to be a Yuanwu or calcharo they better make sure another character isn't breathing down their neck already or going too :(.
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
that's a different problem on it's own.
@algozord
@algozord День назад
in ZZZ we literally have ONE 5* "male" character from STANDARD banner and it is Lycaon, furry xD
@yuicaniago
@yuicaniago 2 дня назад
If you played PGR, then you know Kuro works. The blatant favoritism towards waifu is too obvious
@dendenmushi9714
@dendenmushi9714 8 часов назад
There's actually a lot of marketing in JP for Xiangli. It looks like Kuro is testing the water with Male characters outside mainland (China).
@violetissleepy
@violetissleepy День назад
um this might be a bit of a stupid thing to add but theres been an ongoing meme in the cn sphere where wuthering waves was advertised in bus stops and other places, they marketed that players could get xiangli yao for free but then theres this sign right above the ad (presumably set up by the government) warning citizens to not fall for scams in advertisements claiming that things are free 😭 so idk if that has a slight impact on his sales or whatever probably has zero correlation, just wanted to share LOL i think its more funny than anything
@jasonds0061
@jasonds0061 2 дня назад
Some people just want to whine about anything just to get noticed or cause drama to make themselves feel good. Even though there hasn't been many male characters, you can bet Scar and Genshu are going to sell better than some of the female banners they've had before them.
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
only time will tell. i'm this close to quitting the game because no characters i look forward to + a very bad performance in my device. truly a shame because i had no issues at launch and somehow it got worse lol
@binarexa5289
@binarexa5289 2 дня назад
With the news about gender change Rover in future updates, why not tried create a character with gender change feature. So in the limited banner, the players can choose 1 gender either male or female and then the players can change gender as they like when unlock S2 (RC2) with male boost cdm + atk and female boost crt + colldown or something like that, the design can be different but not entirely. For the character story can be made with premise like this. There a twin but due to Fractidust in pursuing the ultimate weapon they raid the twin's village & others and experimenting with their souls to put it into doll based on TD to create a Puppet Resonator, but the experiment always fail and many victim died until they tried fusioning the twin's soul. What do you think?
@anisnissa
@anisnissa 2 дня назад
I think that would require gacha creators do twise as much work. And they are too lazy for this
@binarexa5289
@binarexa5289 2 дня назад
@@anisnissa yes indeed that the problem but I think it's still doable.
@HizzerPeews
@HizzerPeews Час назад
Can't wait to see a title in the future that reads, "The Male Character Situation is Rad."
@nifLefty
@nifLefty 2 дня назад
Gacha game players when they want characters that have no correlation to the current story timeline:
@thecasualgamer9661
@thecasualgamer9661 2 дня назад
Accurate asf bro😂😂. Like if there's a Shorekeeper, then there's Storyskipper lol
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
oh, we dont need scar and geshulin now. just throw in a random 4 and we'll be fine. preferably a healer or support
@nifLefty
@nifLefty 2 дня назад
@mctimmie8190 not to be defending them but its hard to do that when there isn't any in the story already other than ones that just csnt be released based on the timeline, if we want new males we have to wait for new story that was thought out otherwise it's going to be exactly like Zhezhi who sold fuck all, but it's possible they'll do it after camellya
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
@@nifLefty that's why I said 4* 4* has a lesser relevance to the story, like yuanwu
@nifLefty
@nifLefty 2 дня назад
@mctimmie8190 oh didn't know you meant a random 4☆ thought you just meant a random male 😂
@olafshouse
@olafshouse День назад
I feel like it is a lot worse in other gacha games, like ToF. At WuWa has like 7 male characters, with more on the way.
@Kojiro3210
@Kojiro3210 2 дня назад
Dont these guys want to bring up how genshin has no smol males? All the chibis are always girls. I thought the new one might have male finally, but nope, it's a girl 😂. Im not one to actually care if there's more of one than the other. There may very well be a good lore reason why there are more female resonators than male resonators. How the story moves along will determine what character comes first. Also, it seems that our good Generals' been forgotten about as the first limited character who happens to have been male 😂. 2 limited male characters so far. Sure Xiangli Yao was free but hes still got a banner nonetheless. CN extremists can definitely be found at guilt for the male to female ratio, which not even Genshin, HSR, and ZZZ are safe from. They all have more females than males to varying degrees. It's really not like it's new or will change anything soon for anything other than games that are designed specifically to be male character centric.
@dragonkus6934
@dragonkus6934 2 дня назад
Kuro really starting to piss me off... they seriously need to start making some males characters..
@alexfrank5331
@alexfrank5331 2 дня назад
You just got best boy for free... did you even pull his weapon and chain? Put your wallet where you mouth is. Money speaks louder than words.
@dragonkus6934
@dragonkus6934 2 дня назад
@alexfrank5331 ..... there's a reason why this character was free.... he's design looks like a 4* shitty ass design FUC* NO I didn't pull he's weapon... When they give as a PROPER well done 5* male character than I'll pull their weapon.
@Brrrrrnah
@Brrrrrnah 2 дня назад
meanwhile im patiently waiting for jiyan's rerun. already got 2 copies of him the first banner, i want another 2. he is the literal reason i started playing wuwa. (but i also ended up loving almost every character, especially changli, xiangli yao, jinhsi and zhezhi). anyways. point is. im a husbando and waifu enjoyer. i have actually been rolling every patch LMAOOOO (this is a call for help)
@whatamess8894
@whatamess8894 2 дня назад
Kuro games have always prioritized female characters. Yes, there are male characters, it's a matter of not limiting the game's cast as well as the audience... but there is a clear prioritazed attention to female characters, and to be honest this comes from the entire gacha space itself, a reflection of the female characters give more consistent gains. (ah but a certain male character sold so much here) yes, there will be cases where male characters can sell a lot, but they don't offer as consistent a gain as female characters, which is why you see a greater consistency in female character launches in the gacha market in general. (ah but LADS has been consistently making a lot of money) yes, but does this represent a shift in the gacha market in general, or does it just mean that game managed to capture and concentrate its target audience? I come from pgr and this discussion have being happening in pgr for years, the main point of the discussion is kuro's agenda prioritizing the release of female characters. this change never happened despite all this noise, the only conclusion to be reached is that despite some people asking for it, it is not significant in kuro's data for them to change this schedule, well at least for now. If the demand for male characters is really significant, the companies, especially Kuro, will eventually increase their frequency, if not, they will just continue with their usual programming as they appear to be more consistent.
@SelikBzdy
@SelikBzdy 2 дня назад
The demand for male characters IS really significant, considering how well LnS is doing right now.
@deadbob5514
@deadbob5514 2 дня назад
The issue is that Genshin & especially Honkai: Star Rail proved that genres with greater female playerbases (adventure/turn-based RPG) than just straight up combat action (PGR, Impact 3rd, ZZZ) actually show far better financial gains for male banners than most other Gatchas.. hell, Dan Hung's 5* form & Blade both out-grossed Kafka on their first runs, even Adventurine made the top 10 banners despite launching directly after Acheron; and then there's Wanderer/Kazuha/Neuvillette.. Also you have to factor in that Wuwa makes almost as much money OUTSIDE of CN as within, and that's on mobile; Global likely out-earns CN on PC (and will on Playstation) and PC is the main install base for Wuwa.. so this is a rare case where the wants of the Non-CN players may actually take financial precedence; and the JP/EN players at least, dropped crazy money for Jiyan and will for any cool male In short: Wuwa is an anomaly that exists in a bubble within the general Gatcha space, generated by massive amounts of ex-Genshin players finding a less frustrating home; many of whom (I'd argue a majority) prefer male characters.. and this is a fact Kuro Games will definitely have to adapt to
@whatamess8894
@whatamess8894 2 дня назад
@@SelikBzdy Like I said, does LADS' success represent a shift in the gacha space, or has it merely managed to capture and center its target audience? Furthermore, you have to see the strategies that the game is using to make money, because from what I heard in LADS for you to have more interactions with your character, you have to get more copies of it. What I mean by this is that LADS may not represent a really significant a portion of the gacha space in general despite the good numbers it does
@whatamess8894
@whatamess8894 2 дня назад
@@deadbob5514 well, as I said, they are the ones who have access to accurate data about this, if this demand is really that big, they will obviously change... but if things continue as they are, there is nothing to do about it, because it meansthat the current schedule is actually the most consistent path theyr audience
@ugh5281
@ugh5281 2 дня назад
the difference is PGR is not wuwa. PGR is a smaller game with a smaller and niche fanbase. the developers of wuwa themselves want wuwa to be a global success and if they really want that then they should absolutely focus on making the gender ratio a bit more fair and release male characters more often. that's like comparing HI3RD to other hoyo games, it's not really a fair comparison. they may be the same company but they very obviously are trying different things with both games. they marketed the game with both male and female characters. there was no indication of them "prioritizing" female characters when they marketed the game because even if there were still more female characters (which is normal and expected from all gacha action games) there was still a heavy presence of male characters in their marketing for the game so people coming into this game expecting what they were advertised end up feeling disappointed and rightfully so.
@valivix
@valivix День назад
based on the thumbnail i thought the devs doxxed 5 men 😭
@ahmedtag3904
@ahmedtag3904 2 дня назад
Ah yes that part of the CN player base at it again, i really hope everyone at kuro are fine and not effected by this
@blackbun130
@blackbun130 51 минуту назад
I'm just worried because Kuro is a good listener yes, but they sometimes listen TOO much to the point of having no backbone. I mean, the entire Wuwa story was overhauled from scratch players complained the cast was too hostile, but now they're way too nice. I remember one particular annoyance I had with Kuro having no faith in their creative choices was when they changed Alpha's BRS collab skin to have a ponytail instead of twintails. Because some players complained "twintails didnt suit Alpha". The skin was supposed to be inspired from BRS to fit Alpha, and some of the most important visual motifs was the color blue, star symbols and twintails. Changing the hair basically took away from the skin's identity as a BRS skin so now it kinda just looks like a random star motif skin, not a BRS collab skin. Kuro needs to have more faith in its creative choices, while still keeping itself open to criticisms of gameplay and technicality, yknow where complaints actually DO make objective sense compared to creative choices which are subjective.
@HerrscherOfKugisaki
@HerrscherOfKugisaki 2 дня назад
The ceo of kuro games said "it's okay as long as we survive" so that's why they won't release male characters BECAUSE DAWG THEY WILL NOT SURVIVE WITH THIS KIND OF (chinese) PLAYERS 😭😭🙏🙏
@Noobster474
@Noobster474 2 дня назад
Now let it sink in that Genshin 1.1 has 2 MALE character banners and they're STILL winning and catering to their fanbase! Why can't this trash of a clone copy a fraction of what Genshin's success, even when the formula is already right there? I'd recommend you all just quit this game and play a game that suits you better than this
@shido08
@shido08 2 дня назад
Just go back from where u came from it's not a hoyoshil community😂
@jessden8273
@jessden8273 2 дня назад
As a female and husbando puller (but I also like to pull for female characters I like!) I am completely happy with the pacing of how they are going, I prefer them to do one great male character than too much, even more because I'm a low spender and I'm happy the next patch, I will save after pulling for Xiangli Yao weapon. Personally I don't have issues waiting more for males, I still need to build so many more characters which I currently own that it's wild 😂 as a female gamer that plays a lot of otome games, we HAVE our games and there are starting to spawn like crazy now. I'm currently happy with the whole situation, sadly I didn't know about CN community problem and hope the developers will be alright, I really like how Kuro does all the QoL that needs to be done and I hope the mobile version will get the controller compatibility that I need :')
@ZiiiZero
@ZiiiZero День назад
As a fellow husbando puller, politely I do not agree. I don't play otome games nor am I interested in that type of game. I prefer more action focused game like WuWa. So for me, it feels like there is not that many games out there. I do like that I can save my wallet if there is character I'm not interested in, but then again, I would prefer at least having a character to look forward to and save for. Like sure, I'll pull for Scar and Geshu Lin, but who knows when they arrive (or even if they arrive?). But atm I'm still happily playing with Jiyan and Xiangli Yao (and Changli and Jinhsi, because I'm not against female characters either).
@jessden8273
@jessden8273 День назад
@@ZiiiZero I personally don't think they will be forgotten at all actually, like the video said they will probably be released in future patches with their stories, I assume they will actually put a lot of work into Scar, and his patches will talk more about his faction. I don't know about Genshu Lin because it is more related to the past of Jiyan (but he is such a good character, he will be playable most probably). Other than that I'm enjoying the game a lot and I think Kuro is trying to do well for now, they will probably make more male characters in the future when they can feel more confident, the problem will be more the CN side of the community.... But honestly, I have faith they will pull it through and give us great male characters.
@Shiroto_Gaming
@Shiroto_Gaming День назад
I get that there are gonna be crazy ppl everywhere but they are very much a loud minority. The best solution was to just slide a 4* male character to make it more easier to incorporate it
@MrOverTyrant
@MrOverTyrant 2 дня назад
Hey, Hoyo is in the same position like in ZZZ with 5 consecutive female SSR or HSR does similar. Kuro who also made PGR also has a lower male ratio per year compared to female with consecutive patches mostly focusing on girls. Love in deadspace is popular because there aren't many collectable male games, if anything those yumestacy will also drop those games when they add playable females.
@PY3100
@PY3100 2 дня назад
Hsr has a male character almost every patch wdym? 1.0 Jingyuan 1.1 Luocha 1.2 Blade 1.3 Dhil 1.4 none 1.5 Argenti 1.6 Dr. Ratio (free) 2.0 none 2.1 Aventurine 2.2 Boothill 2.3 none 2.4 Jiaoqiu 2.5 none 2.6 has one new limited (a female) -2.7 Sunday- Without even mentioning the male 4* and standard characters
@anisnissa
@anisnissa 2 дня назад
Zzz doesn't show men in there ads as much as wuwa did. Every time I see a zzz ad, it's booba fest with a second of a random furry (respectfully). So it's not surprisingly. Wuwa showed us many male characters since release. Not surprisimg people want to get what they were advertised
@ugh5281
@ugh5281 2 дня назад
@@anisnissa this is what a lot of people don't get. yes, the gender ratio in ZZZ is atrocious however the only male character they advertised was billy and the furry dude. other than that, it was always just female characters. wuwa however, advertised plenty of male characters before and during the release of the game such as jiyan, geshu lin, calcharo, scar, aalto, lingyang... i'm sure if they had only advertised the female characters people wouldn't be complaining now but it's precisely because they "baited" people with so many male characters upon release that now people are feeling a bit disappointed with the upcoming banners and the current ratio. when wuwa first released people were literally praising the wuwa male characters and saying they were so much hotter compared to other games. i feel like people are undermining just how many people tried out the game because they were advertised hot male characters like jiyan, geshu lin, scar, etc.
@LittleMonarch-nh8zx
@LittleMonarch-nh8zx День назад
Now : i won't spend any money for a company that wont listen to us, male characters fan, to release more male characters In the future : I'm sorry my beloved 'male characters', i don't have any asterites for you, i don't want to spend a dime for Kuro. Why don't they just release more free male characters like Xiangli Yao?! Jokes aside, the CN community, some of them maybe just a bunch of weirdos and idiot for harassing others just because of a different opinion. I agree, while female characters is more popular for gacha game, male characters need a great story building or a really great design to gain revenue, because many of that comes from female chara banner. I hope they add them more in the future tho, even though it's not as much as female characters, because they also need money
@aesraa800
@aesraa800 День назад
always focusing on jiyan not doing as well and not why that happened. 1) the game came out buggy as hell meaning many didn’t feel the need to continue or couldn’t even continue bc the game was literally unplayable to them 2) the game gave away tons of free stuff. even before giving away free things for the countless bugs they already gave away free stuff before it. i managed to get s0r1 jiyan without spending any money on the game bc the game already fed me with lots of free things i always find this reasoning so stupid. if anything it should be explained that way: kuro intentionally shoots themselves in the foot during jiyan’s banner just to justify that men don’t do well. rn most of the husbando pullers were able to get both jiyan and xiangli yao just fine bc kuro made it easy to. one could say why are we complaining then? we’re complaining bc we’re unheard. the game is so clear with its intention. the physics for the women is insane, the endless glazing from female characters to rover, some scenes from changli and yinlin’s companion quests. hell, even female npcs get more love. we have yhan to say anything about meanwhile every patch gives us even more female npcs for people to simp for overall, kuro clearly is doing sth on purpose here. i’m just upset they even bothered marketing this game as having both men and women in it when clearly they put most of their focus on one more than the other. just baiting husbando pullers basically :/
@xLuis89x
@xLuis89x 3 часа назад
Why would they shoot themselves in the foot with a bad launch just to prove that male characters don't sell? Where in the fk is the logic to that? Where?
@aesraa800
@aesraa800 3 часа назад
@@xLuis89x my point wasn’t just about the bad launch, it’s giving away free stuff just so the male characters don’t seem as necessary. first lots of freebies for jiyan so barely anyone has the need to spend money on him, then a free xly. not to mention both are dpses who add almost nth new to the table and usually dpses aren’t known for being the most sold gacha characters anyway
@cassandra2646
@cassandra2646 2 дня назад
Let's get real here. If you're the one making a product and that product isn't doing well in terms of making a profit. You will most likely make less of that product. This is not so hard to understand lol. I commend those who pull for Xiangli Yao's sequences though. You guys are the GOAT.
@dot2615
@dot2615 2 дня назад
Okay but they don't really have much of their own data to do that considering there's only been 2 limited male banners. One given for free, the other at launch where there were plenty of bugs and players couldn't even log in
@iflgames3245
@iflgames3245 2 дня назад
​@@dot2615they have the industry data and girls don't spend money like men do. Girls are not depraved of sex it's men.
@cassandra2646
@cassandra2646 2 дня назад
@@dot2615 well, I don't really know the reason why Kuro are not releasing much male characters. Maybe it has something to do with the story. I am just speculating. But if what I said is true, then that's unfortunate coz they might rely on that data. Because even if Yao is free, you could still get more copies of him from his banner, so that being not doing very well, will say something. I myself is satisfied with one copy per character so there's no way I would pull for his banner. I get his weapon at least so I think I did my part (and it's pity I don't mind because they are quite generous). But I'm also fine with whatever gender the future characters. So there's no pressure for me to spend. So for those who wants male characters and if Kuro's reasoning is about sales then male characters really are in a tight spot. And I've only seen one player having an S6 Xiangli Yao. That in itself speaks volume. Hopefully, this isn't the reason.
@dot2615
@dot2615 2 дня назад
@@cassandra2646 Yeah true I guess it's just a matter of hoping Kuro also listens to complaints lol. I like summoning for both male and female characters but I like to have a somewhat even playing if I'm playing a mixed gendered gacha🧘
@mctimmie8190
@mctimmie8190 2 дня назад
it's just an illusion. husbando enjoyers don't pull less, but they have so much time in between banners they don't even have to top up between banners
@rx71102
@rx71102 День назад
2 limited 5* male characters released and one is free. 4 limited 5* female characters released none were free... i think the husbando enjoyers are winning
@alliberry2458
@alliberry2458 Час назад
I hope they release more male characters soon. I love that we got Xiangli Yao for free as I got to pull for his weapon, but it does feel like they've done so to avoid backlash from CN players. Its not fair Kuro gets bullied into releasing specific characters, and having to give out male chars for free. CN players need to chill out. If they don't want to play male characters just skip the freaking banner.
@hamimavalon8332
@hamimavalon8332 2 дня назад
Well as a day 1 PGR global player and played CN version for some time. This is actually pretty normal for us PGR players. We have seen this for like 3 to 4 years so kinda got used to it. Most of the PGR players don't bring out the topic
@kilari9
@kilari9 3 часа назад
I just cope for the lack of male characters by thinking I have more time to save for them... Also, what's the problem with some comments saying "why people wants male characters in the game? aRe ThEy GaY?". Do they forget that there are also female players???
@LuisBrito-ly1ko
@LuisBrito-ly1ko День назад
It’s not really a rising problem. It’s a vocal minority that complains. The issue here is more perception and misunderstanding. WuWa has currently about the same Male/Female Ratio as Genshin and Star Rail ( 35% vs 32-33% ). Yet, if you see certain comments it almost seems as if they don’t exist in the game, to the point that in every banner announcement there’s a 3-4 comments hating either because it’s not male or acting as if there’s must be a male every patch. The argument with Deepspace is easily explained with the fact that it’s a game made for girls and in gachas made for girls men sell. However WuWa’s target audience is clearly boys, so of course there will be a greater emphasis on female characters. Not to mention, female players are usually the absolute minority in games made for guys, especially gacha games. And even among them, we don’t know how many are that desperate for men and how many are fully enjoying the female characters and don’t care if a male one gets released today or in 2 months. Then there are those who for some reason play games that obviously are waifu heavy yet claim to be tired of them and want dudes; these too being a vocal minority as well. In the end, this is mostly explained by the fact that it’s a game catering to the male audience ( particularly those waifu cultured, which also happens to be the majority ). In my opinion, most people will have no problem with more males, but one should also remember who’s the target audience, to be patient, and not act as if there aren’t any or as if they have to add one every patch. Especially when most of this “outrage” is based on leaks that aren’t usually accurate or complete.
@YanderePhile
@YanderePhile 2 дня назад
i dont care for male characters even tho jiyan is beast. but i totally want more of em. that way i can save my damn pulls lol.
@Andy_89
@Andy_89 2 дня назад
I never play a male or will pay for them. But Male Chars are good for saving 😅
@alexfrank5331
@alexfrank5331 2 дня назад
lol. history repeats itself. people always think they're new and different, but they're just making the same mistakes.
@jacenouzen
@jacenouzen 2 дня назад
they getting too spoiled, quite literally. And because of that, we might get geshulin early then expected and have the quality of his apppearance less valuable because peeps wanting him and men in general quicker. let them cook, simple as that. Its the waifu arc for now, but later its gonna be husbando arc. everythingll be fine
@Melmetal71
@Melmetal71 2 дня назад
Exactly. Geshu lin, in particular would be a significant character. Bringing his banner early will ruin the fun. Note: It wasn't cleared what happened to him. According to the story, he was engulfed by the dark flames and never seen again. We might get to see a 'corrupted' version of him.
@saintontas
@saintontas 2 дня назад
I think a free Xiangli Yao is great, but I'm mainly referring actual spending done by husbando enjoyers. With Jiyan as the launch banner (can easily guarantee him with story pulls) and Xiangli given for free, there's nothing for those types of players to actually spend money on. All you had were their sequence nodes or their weapon, which if you were mainly pulling husbandos, you definitely still had the pulls for. This means that there were very few reasons for husbando enjoyers to even spend on the game, even though we know from LADS that they'll spend a lot of money on male characters. We can't blame the males in WuWa for low revenue when players aren't being given any reason to spend on them.
@Calcharoistherealchad
@Calcharoistherealchad 2 дня назад
Dude..when I have female characters touching my face on quests while the males are only buddies..no it's not everything fine. I don't even care with ratio but the lore as dating simulator it's cringe as f
@sonjab.6852
@sonjab.6852 2 дня назад
Spoiled? In wuwa? How? I just want more male characters in general. As long they look good and their kits are fun and they have interesting story. I want Geshu too because he is the hottest dude in gacha games for awhile lmao. I get it he must be somewhat important character sobI dont want his arc feel rushed. That said, we are getting Camellya quite soon and she is very hyped character. So Geshu being in early 2.x should not be a huge issue. I want to get a hyped character too, not just some random scientist that didnt even appear in the main story. I like Yao dont get me wrong but he was just random guy coming out of nowhere.
@thecasualgamer9661
@thecasualgamer9661 2 дня назад
​​​@@sonjab.6852just wait till the story unfolds, don't hype yourself by saying by 2.x or something cause you will be disappointed lol. Since you're saying that you want male characters with good story, then wait. Cause Geshulin is connected to Threnodian(war), if you've read the story. And that connection with that is a major thing in this game(I think) Edit: If you want male characters in general, Kuro can just insert male characters ingame(like what they did with zhezi, appeared out of nowhere), cause in the current major plot, there's no new potential male characters involved.
@iamthechampion2296
@iamthechampion2296 2 дня назад
I am hoping for overpowered male even better than Jinshi
@djroguefireify
@djroguefireify Час назад
You can smell the loser vibes a mile away with these people honestly.
@IraR.Sirius
@IraR.Sirius 2 дня назад
never thought in the past seeing this many videos talking about lack of man.
@OverlordMango
@OverlordMango 2 дня назад
Now Kuro isn't doing great in giving us resources. If the male characters gonna be rare, that's less farming and money from me.
@eriinnn.
@eriinnn. 6 часов назад
IDC ABOUT MALE CHARACTERS I JUST WANT A NEW 5 STAR HEALER SO I CAN BENCH VERINA
@pete4416
@pete4416 Час назад
Sadly I saw a similar problem in ZZZ Hopefully Harumasa and Lighter come soon, I enjoy male characters more than female characters and it's a shame not to have a fairer ratio in such good games
@UdbhavKashyap-by2op
@UdbhavKashyap-by2op 5 часов назад
as a bisexual, I just play for both and don't mind what character gender they release as long as the character has good lore and personality :D
@n1c3tr1ck2
@n1c3tr1ck2 2 дня назад
the beta in the past really says a lot, they don't really like making men, lol. they are just making them to make husbando main stay. also dont underestimate husbando players because they can spend a lot (sees Love in Deep space, even without major event in the game, the game just slaps for them)
@n1c3tr1ck2
@n1c3tr1ck2 2 дня назад
I told myself if after camelya is isnt a male character, ill quit by then lol. they are just making them by just to release male character lol. start spending to the game that really cares.
@matt-qi7so
@matt-qi7so 2 дня назад
If Jyan, Xiangli Yao, Geshulin and Scar are characters that show that wuwa don't like making males characters. I don't know what you smoke.
@shido08
@shido08 2 дня назад
Did u even play PGR!? There's bunch of Male characters which even devs themselves enjoy lol😂.
@SapphireYuna
@SapphireYuna День назад
You can hang out in PGR while waiting for male characters to come in WuWa. I'd recommend playing the CN version because I'm pretty sure global is currently lacking like 2 new ones. I don't know where global is right now. I think the gap is 1 year I forgot.
@the7blargs
@the7blargs 2 дня назад
The whales are paying for female characters so its up to them entirely. They pay kuros bills after all. Id like more male characters too but no one should be surprised that a gacha game is mostly full of female characters.
@Calcharoistherealchad
@Calcharoistherealchad 2 дня назад
@@the7blargs dude..shut up..whales will buy everything on the game cause they are worried with gaming experience not romantic self insertion. They get every unit regardless. Shhhh
@Anika9691
@Anika9691 2 дня назад
Whales alone aren't doing that, investors and retention is long term king, I think they should reduce banner duration by a week and release more man fr
@yuichirouka6722
@yuichirouka6722 2 дня назад
Geshu Lin is not even alive based on the story and how tacet discord absorbed and mimics their prey
@yayu414
@yayu414 День назад
There are other games that having a male characters is not that much of a bigdeal because the environment and world building is not matured and dark that’s why they dont stand out but in Wuthering Waves, everything is different because the game is set in apocalyptic world with a deeper and dark lore story behind, so having a male character is perfectly fit in this game because of how matured the gameplay and environment so if they try to keep making male characters, the game will be more better than having all female characters, female characters in apocalyptic world is very off and awkward especially if they’re cute so i hope kurogames listen to global community instead of chinese community but i cant blame them because they get more revenue in china rather than global, looks unbelievable but its real.
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