I worked as a flight attendant for German Lufthansa for several years. I was diagnosed bipolar in 2012. I got unfit to fly immediately. My flight career was over. I really don't understand why they sent him flying, taking antidepressants from the beginning. When you take antidepressants you're unfit to fly, that's it. I miss flying every single second.
Because people have become too self righteous that when they board a plane they think they can treat flight crew however they please. I think you got so sick of dealing with people 24/7 that it burned you out.
OK, because I thought for a moment that simply having depression that is being actively treated was a bit exclusionary. However, I'm sure the FAA has their reasons and statistics in support of this. But I just thought that was very interesting as a long time depression sufferer myself.
I'm sorry you can't fly anymore because of your illness. Also I'm baffled about the fact that a suicidal mass murderer-to-be could just continue flying and passed all his health checks and fitness tests. My conclusion is that there are people even more evil and they're somehow running the show. Ever heard of Tristan van der Vlis? Few people would connect The Netherlands with mass shootings. However, on April 2011, this is exactly what happened in Alphen aan den Rijn. Van der Vlis, a mental patient taking anti-depressants, shot 23 people, killing 6 before he ended his own life. This mentally unstable depressive man was allowed to keep a gun licence! Approved by the Dutch Justice system. And no people in high positions were punished.
Absolutely. High risk job has strict anti drug requirements. My ex only works in the mines and had to take drug test before entering the work site. It's classed "high risk".
@@2Bad4YOUuu - as a want to be pilot and someone who is on sertraline currently and since the age of 15 (now 20) for depression that I suffered when I was 13-16 I’ve looked into this a bit. The guidelines that I’ve read are something along the lines of it sort of being an individual basis kinda thing. I hope to eventually come off of the medication and am slowly decreasing my dose as I would consider myself recovered. Once I finish uni I’m going to look into whether or not I could obtain the class 1 medical needed or whether my past depression will get in the way. A bit ironic lol that my past depression might cause me to lose the career I’ve been dreaming of since I was a kid but hey that’s life sometimes
My friend's brother in law was on that flight going to work. He left behind a wife and two young children. So sad and upsetting. The trauma this caused was terrible.
The crazy thing about suicidal people is, their friends, coworkers and loved ones typically see a spike of happiness and normal behavior just before they carry out whatever plan they've decided to go forward with. That's why you always hear people say they can't believe that person would do that, they seemed like they turned a corner...they seemed happy and optimistic. This is usually because they have already decided their own fate, and all of the anxiety and depression they typically experience is now gone. There is a light at the end of their tunnel and they no longer have to worry about their own future. Pretty sad sh*t.
So true but not always. Many people with suicide tendencies will tend to hide it behind a mask and make people think their happy and it can be extremely confusing for friends and family. It's an internal struggle, especially with clinical depression, it's not so easy to spot in someone unless that person is willing to say so.... I'm a psychologist and we lost my son's dad to suicide.
Exactly. It takes an enormous amount of mental energy to commit suicide. It’s more common than not to have that spike in energy and it’s actually a type of mania, hence people notice energy and happiness and sudden spike in activities, etc.. Most people are unaware of this, I’m glad you brought it up.
My boyfriend flew the same route some days later. The pilot went through the passanger cabine and talked to them. Said that he understand that many people might be afraid to fly these days. With this story back in their heads. He said: "I promise, I will take you back to your familys and friends safely." Must have been a crazy feeling for everyone...
@@thewhorenextdoor8268They do. How do you imagine them going to the toilet? Many airlines request a flight attendant to stay in the cockpit meanwhile.
Neither was he, but thats why people with mental problems arent supposed to fly so why dont you ask the other "professionals" why they cant do their simple jobs
He wanted to "change the system" and "be remembered" ....and that's exactly what he did. The 149 other lives were just collateral damage to him. **There always have been and always will be people who are suicidal** , and no amount of mental help and mental illness awareness days and blue ribbons and other types of moronic lip service and perfunctory nonsense-gestures will ever change that.
Imagine a person with a responsibility to make all passengers safe instead choosing to murder them out of suicide wow if you gonna kill yourself why bring all this innocent people with you. Condolence to the family of the people that passed away in a tragedy done by a monster
It most likely was a justification in his mind, if I take all these people with me I won’t have to suffer alone. Absolutely selfish and evil but I understand why he may have done what he did.
I see your point. He was a coward that didn't want to go alone and he got a sense of control by ending others lives. Its devastating. God bless the innocent lives stolen and their families 🙏❤
Our military instructor used to tell us "There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man who feels he has nothing left to lose." That statement cannot be sounded from the rooftops enough.
thats why its so sad that he didn't know he was going to be a father. But despite that he shoudn't be flying and all those doctors should have warn his peers.
Saw this on air crash investigation episode. Earlier that day he tried to bring down the plane twice only to change his mind. And sure enough, on their way back later that fateful day, he decided to go for it. Very sad for the family of innocent passengers
Oh that’s even more tragic. It opens the possibility that he might have been reasoned with. I’ve always wondered what might have happened if someone had just sat down next to the door and tried to talk him out of it. Wishful thinking but yeah I wonder.
Dude was not just depressed, he was actually crazy. Had a serious disorder, be it neuronal or psyche. He killed so many to hurt his girlfriend and whoever else he felt to blame.
When you think about it, it’s crazy how we just trust some random person to fly us thousands of feet above ground. Obviously they are trained but anything could flip in your mind at any moment no matter how trained you are, your mind isn’t always as stable as your ability to perform well in your profession.
You don't have to be an evil person to do, or think about evil things while you are depressed (real depression, not that everyday "I am feeling depressed"). You are just not able to feel empathy or love anymore and without that you lost you sensor to tell right from wrong and good from evil.
@@dombowombo3076plenty of people are depressed, not many do this sort of evil. He was a terrible, evil failure of a human being regardless of his mental condition.
@@Terlobhis mental condition was what caused him to do this in the first place. I find your ignorance disturbing only if you knew that evil is not born it's made.
Yvonne Selke her daughter and Emily Selke, two Americans from Virginia, were also aboard that flight. Emily had graduated from college the previous year and the two were on a mother-daughter trip to visit Europe. Both were kind, witty, and funny women. Both are deeply missed by husband/father, son/brother, and countless others.
As a side note (meaning besides the obvious reasons that the loss of lives is sad in general), it sucks EXTRA to hear someone died right after graduating college. You spent all that time and effort doing shit you didn't want to do in order to get an education to better a future you never ended up getting to have.
Nobody cares about dumb americans it’s 155 people no matter where they are from . And America is dumb fat and sucks and can’t invent shit and is the reason we are evolving backwards
He was just a fucking coward who was scared to die alone. So he took innocent ppl with him. There is a video inside the plane at that time. The deafening sound of accelerating plane engine and poor people gathering by the door of the cockpit will haunt me for the rest of my live. I dont fly anymore. I take bus or travel with my own car. RIP all the departed souls but not the killer s. I hope he rots in hell
My mum has severe depression. She once had a meltdown and said to me, whilst driving her car with me as her passenger, that she wanted to crash the car and kill herself because she was a POS and so was I. We got home unharmed but it was the most terrifying moment of my life.
My mother has schophrania she doesn’t take any of her medication when she did she got better but that was when she was in the mental hospital once she left she stopped taking it an she said to us you want me to be a zombie those medicines even tho it heals temporarily cause massive side affects so this was evident he had Swiss effects from the drugs an then he was a beta male once the girl left him from his weird behavior he started to be more depressed that’s what happens when you submit to women’s needs an wants this was all his actions nobody is to blame but him using depression as an excuse is what you Caucasians use for each other but you don’t use that for blk people who commit crimes if this was a blk guy who did this an said he’s depressed none of you would be feeling sorry for him this man killed innocent people that’s not excuse these people did not deserve to die because of his depression that’s how I know you guys are racist because blk people can’t use that excuse
@@Ontiming2023lmaoo yes most white people these days would care. Like all the white guys you grew up with in school 😂😂 stop acting like you grew up in 1950 Alabama bro you can go to college and good a good paying job rn I used to make 1200 a week at the Walmart warehouse and 20% of the people there didn’t even speak English so that’s a good place to start. Society ain’t pinning nothing against black people black people pinning they self against each other with this victim mindset that’s going around, as a white guy who grew up having tons of black idols a lot of them have really lost my respect because of it. It’s just sad how they throwing some of y’all through a loop like that and you can’t even see it.
As someone who has suffered with depression as a teen and into my 20’s. And still suffering from severe anxiety today. I NEVER have wanted to harm others. I know many people who still suffer terribly, and none wish harm to others. It sounds like there was far more going on there. Sounds more like he had a severe personality disorder with an evil streak.
This man was so consumed by fear and depression that in his mind it was a good idea to take all those people down with him...this is so damn sad. RIP to all the innocent people who lost their lives.
As a pilot, I truly believe it’s beyond vital to make sure you have some form of therapy and stress relief before you commit to flying. If you aren’t feeling right, whether that be sick, or upset, even if it’s the smallest form of upset; take care of everything before you fly, even if that’s your form of therapy.
As stated, he put all eggs in one basket. Loaning people money for school and letting them pay it back from what they will make in their profession has always been a shit model to trap carefree and irresponsible people, making sure they have no way out for a long time to come.
Is madness! But shouldn't be a code key or a secret key to open the door for the other staff members in case of emergency?? I mean something at least the two pilots would know and no one else!
Suffering from chronic depression throughout my life I never ever had even a fraction of a thought of hurting somebody else. There must have been something else wrong with him.
As someone who has suffered from depression since I was 17 and been medicated since then, it absolutely destroys me when people take the lives of others when the depression takes over. I’m 48 now and while I have sporadic suicidal thoughts, in no way would I make others pay. I’ve always said suicide is the selfish act there is and those taking others with them is pure evil.
Suicide isn't selfish. It's sad, yes. Not selfish. You can't expect someone to be HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY GREATFUL HAPPY they were brought into a shit world they weren't asked to be brought into just to be exploited their entire lives. THAT'S selfish.
Like me you implode rather than explode. The thought never go away its just some days its easier to fight them even ignore. On the flip side not so good lol
@@j0ellyfish you’re wrong it’s selfish because yo parents raised u worked hard to give u the life u have no matter how shitty and u wanna kill yourself because you’re sad ? 🤣🤣🤣 that’s selfish fam not to mention those who u leaving to mourn behind
I want to say thank you for introducing us to the passengers/victims of this criminal/unsettling tragedy. I’ve heard this case multiple times but no one really did a great job of introducing us to the victims which I think is critically important when delivering true crime content. Remembering the victims is essential to the living family members ongoing grieving process.
People hear saying his depression is a excuse for taking peoples life this man depression is nobody problem but his an his family not mine not yours he’s not justified in taking life’s for it
I told those Caucasians blk people can’t use excuses for there behavior so don’t use it with him they tried to let this wyte man use depression as an excuse
The fact they let him fly while being diagnosed is absurd to me. I had a friend when I was in flight school who's mom and dad died within a week of each other, aunt took her to the doctor cause she wasn't eating and got diagnosed with depression. Her flight career ended immediately. She was fine about a year or so later but she's now a waitress.
That is brutal and inhumane. The only sick reaction to both of your parents dying within a week would be NOT becoming depressed. And if the depressive symptoms vanish within 6 months it doesn’t even qualify as a depression!
That's just the immediate payment after the accident, there was more later on top, approx 35k for each victim + individual calculated damages, I could not find any further details on that. While the individual damages compensation remains mysterious, a set amount of 85k Euros for each victim seems a bit low. The airline insurer was reported to have set aside 300 million for compensation though.
every time I hear about this case, I become enraged with how much attention the killer is given. regardless of his mental wellbeing, he was aware of what he was doing, he planned this, he killed 155 people. he has absolutely no redemption in my eyes.
As a mental health professional I’m inclined to make some comments about this case in order to clarify some points for a better understanding of this tragedy. 1. Mr. Lubitz’s hometown psychiatrist got everything right the first time. Treated his first depressive episode, got the patient into remission and KEPT HIM MEDICATED. You never take a depressive patient out of his meds right after he gets well. In a first depressive episode you keep the patient medicated until around a year after he is free of symptoms. Only then you taper the medications off, carefully watching if any symptoms get back. 2. At least according to my home country’s regulations, everyone with a history of use of psychotropic meds is unfit to fly unless a psychiatrist states otherwise. I cannot understand why in the world the FAA allowed Mr. Lubitz to resume training after his medical record was known. 3. When Mr. Lubitz went after medical help, every medical doctor besides his ophthalmologists screwed up. When organic causes were discarded, the first diagnostic to be considered is a conversive disorder. His visual symptoms were unconsciously produced. The hypocondria hypotesis was a significant mistake, although the differential diagnosis for these disorders is quite difficult to make. 4. Mr. Lubitz’s hometown psychiatrist should be able to at least recognize two aspects of his patient’s new condition. First: conversive symptoms are characteristic of severely distressed patients with relatively few psychologic tools to withstand mental conflicts. And second: if his visual symptoms were strong enough to impair him, and were from unconscious (therefore uncontrollable) origins, he was unfit to fly at that moment. Any of these two aspects obligated his psychiatrist to axe Mr. Lubitz’s airworthiness straightaway. I do not know the intricacies of Germany’s laws, but from an universal medical ethics point of view, in situations that may expose others to risk (like a pilot suddenly losing his ability to see properly during a flight, for whatever reason), the medical secrecy should be broken to ensure the safety of others. 5. The difficulty that all doctors had to correctly diagnose and manage Mr. Lubitz’s second breakdown comes from a failure in medical training. Today’s medicine is guided by the so called Evidence Based Medicine. Although EBM is responsible for massive improvements in diagnostic and treatment of several diseases, one of it’s major disadvantages is that it tends to neglect, or even to discredit phenomenon that cannot be quantitatively described and to consider unworthy of study authors whose body of work is not suited to be scrutinized by EBM. And that is the exact case of psychiatric disorders and conversive disorders in particular. That is why it’s important to study considered “outdated” autors like Sigmund Freud and Melanie Klein whose theoretical works explain quite reasonably Mr. Lubitz’s illness development and progression. And this case happened in Germany of all places… 6. From these medical failures on, things went straight downhill. Mr. Lubitz started to worsen from a heavily neurotic state to a psychotic one. Or, as Mrs. Melanie Klein described, from a depressive position to a schizoparanoid position. Even if we forget the classical theorists, today’s psychiatry could detect that Mr.Lubitz’s condition started to include psychotic presentations. His increasing paranoia being the greatest marker of that. He quite probably became a bipolar floating between all spectrums of this disorder, from severe bouts of depression with suicidal thoughts, manic episodes with delusions of greatness and extramarital affairs, and mixed episodes combining these symptoms making him functional enough to do what the did at the end of it. And as far as this video mentioned his diagnosis or treatment, no mood stabilizers or antipsychotic meds were given to Mr. Lubitz. Probably this massively important diagnostic hypothesis was never considered. I know I’m commenting from the always privileged position of a “next day doctor”. Maybe the doctors who dealt with Mr. Lubitz did not have all the necessary info to make all the right moves. Maybe Mr. Lubitz was in fact a refined psychopath, which I think it’s somewhat unlikely due to the lack of transgressions before his battle with mood disorders begun. But I cannot shake off the feeling that quite a few people who dealt with him could have done a better job and maybe avoided what happened at the end. And finally I want to commend the author for the amount of information and research put in this video. Although I know that maybe the purpose of this channel floats around describing psychopathic people with a tiny grain of gore, this video was so well conceived that it allowed a deeper understanding of what may have happened between the ears of someone who took so many lives together with his own in one of the biggest tragedies of our times. Thank you.
#2. They did ask him and he lied about his mental health. And since medical records are protected by HIPPA laws, no one can see them except the doctor/patient...
The video said a few times that he was on *powerful * medication. I'm guessing he had a mild anti-depressant and then the Remeron for sleep. I don't want to make up any numbers I can't back up, but mentally ill people are way more likely to be victims of violent crimes than they are to commit violent crimes. Something triggered him, but it's not the medication. He planned this.
Wait, the other drug they gave his was Lorazepam? No, that didn't cause his thoughts. That and Remeron are way more predictable than some anti-depressants are.
The exchange students that were on board that plane coming back to Germany went to a school not too far from where I lived and where about my age. I will forever remember them and the day this happened. We were all shocked sitting in school.
This is absolutely heart wrenching all these people gone… at the hands and because of the decision of one person. My heart breaks for the victims and their families. 💔
As a german my blood boils every time I hear of this case not only because Lufthansa fucked up but because of our laughable compensation laws trough which you get ridiculous little money if a relative of you gets killed or when you get beat up even nearly to death and such
I blame the doctor more? Once he had prescribed the medication AGAIN...he should have been obliged to tell his employer when HAVING that drug in their system is career ending? Don't airlines do random drug screens?? My child is Air Force and they do random screening ALL THE TIME.
Mirtazipine is not a powerful mood stabilizer. It’s pretty run of the mill. This guy had a serious personality disorder. Depressed people don’t kill others, maybe themselves, but not others.
@@tinygrim I think he just saw the opportunity and took it when the other pilot went to the bathroom. And being from Germany, guns were out of the question. He had access to what he felt like was probably an easy and painless way out, unfortunately that meant everyone else on the flight had to go too. I don't know, I wish it would be possible for someone on the ground to take control of the plane remotely if something like this was ever to happen again. Suicide is inherently a selfish action, I don't think he cared it would affect other people -- even if it was 155 OTHER people. He just wanted to off himself and it was either a spur of the moment decision or he had been meaning to take the opportunity as soon as it availed itself.
It’s an antidepressant. “There is also some evidence supporting its use in treating the following conditions, for which it is sometimes prescribed off-label: Generalized anxiety disorder Social anxiety disorder Obsessive-compulsive disorder Panic disorder Post-traumatic stress disorder Low appetite/underweight Insomnia Nausea and vomiting Itching Headaches and migraine”
It's also called remeron. I take it to help me with sleeping. I also have xanax and I don't feel any different than before. It's written "antidepressants" on the box ( mine came in a cardboard box), and they were given to me as sleeping aids with the alprazolam (xanax)
This incident is what crosses my mind when I'm on a plane. I never thought about this when I was younger but as an older adult I come to realize you never know what the staff who is working on an airplane is thinking and what they might do. There was a case of a pilot that had mental breakdown during a flight and tried to jump out the emergency exit door.
@@jubrilbabatunde3040 When I take Uber or Lyft I make sure to check that Im getting in the right car because of the murder of Samantha Josephson back in 2019.
@@jazzabighits4473 It would've depressurized the plane (assuming that it was mid-air and close or at its cruising altitude), which is a big trouble, it could've done anything from incapacitating everyone to an explosive decompression (i.e, the plane breaking up mid flight)
It also depends on the type of depression. When your depression is related to a situation, once you get free of it, it usually goes away and stays gone. Chronic depression (usually brain chemical imbalance) is what comes and goes in an everlasting cycle, sometimes exacerbated by a situation. I have the latter bestowed by lifelong abuse/trauma with only some family history. I'm on meds and had therapy as well. No murdering here :)
Those who gave Andreas the go ahead to fly the plain even though he clearly was in no fit state to do so should themselves have been sacked from their jobs and prosecuted for it
But he didn’t tell anybody of his condition during his flights that period. During his training with his first depression the doctor notified Germanwings, but the relapse he held secret, he probably didn’t tell his doctor he was a pilot. He planned it all.
My old PE teacher was the wife of Martin Matthews, I’ll never forget the day when we was told the news it was nothing but devastation , she’s a lovely woman and I hope she’s found peace after these years ❤😢
After 9/11 the cockpit doors were reinforced, even bullet proof , there was a code that someone could punch in to open the cockpit door but this could be disabled from the cockpit , The pilots can operate the door with a lever on a control panel. There are three settings: norm, lock and unlock. There is also a keyboard panel in the cabin area with a green and red light, as well as a telephone for the crew to talk to the pilots. The cockpit has an emergency buzzer and pressure sensor that responds in the event of a pressure loss in the cabin. Protection against intruders Usually, both pilots remain in the cockpit and the door is locked. It can't be opened manually from outside, because there is no handle. The control lever setting is "norm" - which means the three additional door bolts are not activated. Any flight attendant who wants to access the cockpit must first ring the bell on the control panel. The pilot then has to move the switch to "unlock" for the person to enter. As soon as the door is closed again, the setting reverts to "norm." Anybody trying to enter the cockpit without using the telephone - either by knocking or hammering on the door - would raise the pilots' suspicions. In such a case, they would switch to "lock" - effectively activating the additional three bolts. An intruder would need more than raw force to break open the door. The captain entered the code and a green light appears in the cockpit , if he does nothing the door will open in 30 seconds . If Andreas lubitz in this case pulled the lever to lock position the door will be locked for additional 20 minutes, and can be extended indefinitely. There was no way for the captain to enter the cockpit Imagine the horror for passengers seeing the captain trying to smash or break the door in screaming open the damn door The terror must have been unimaginable. 😢 Last you could hear on the cockpit voice recorder were people screaming If lubitz was suicidal, fine but why kill additional 150 people. It’s incomprehensible. Rip to all the victims
The pilots should have their own bathroom inside the cockpit so they do not have to get out if they have to go. In addition, this will prevent any opportunities for passengers who have malicious intentions. (I understand that flight attendants guard the area whenever a pilot is out of the cockpit, but they could possibly still be overpowered.)
He's also not the only one who's done this, there are disturbingly many worldwide. Easy to look up many of them, but oddly some are harder to find, like the mass murder off the California coast some years back that resulted in security changes for flight staff. There's a memorial to the victims near the crash site. The EgyptAir flight that went down in the Atlantic wasn't that long ago, nor was the MH370 mystery flight disappearance that's now considered pilot murder/suicide.
Many dont even make the news. 8 years ago in Norway my friend took her own life by driving fast down wrong lane of a tunnel, she crashed head on and took lives of 3 teenagers..it was new years eve. It was in the news as an accident. But it definitely was not.
@@koogle5410 I am so very sorry for such a painful loss. I know suicide often brings up feelings of feelings of betrayal for loved ones, but these feelings must be so much stronger when 3 teenage kids are also killed in the process. I’m wishing you continued healing & strength
indeed, we had a mozamique plane down in 2013, a morrocan atr and silk air down during the 90s, or the most recent incidence, the plane that recently crashed in china
You did a wonderful job detailing the horrific nature of this tragedy. I never heard of this, and now I can’t stop researching about this story and the families affected. My heart truly Goes out to them 🙏🏾❤
So, people on the sky are not allowed to get depressed ? Don't understand how come we have still pilots and flight attendants. The receive a very bad salary, the have an stressful job, they put their lives at stake every single time and also they can't be sad sometimes ?! Wow
As a therapist, it's very difficult to predict future behavior with no background of similar behaviors. Lubitz had no history of violence towards others and depression and anxiety is so common, you don't just run and tell an employer that your client has depression without cause that your client is a danger to himself or others. I highly doubt that any of these agencies or the mental health professionals had even thought that he might kill himself in the manner he did. The system is set up to fail, because all he ever wanted to do was fly. Telling people about his problems would have resulted in his not being able to be a pilot; which was all he ever wanted. The system basically forced him to keep quiet, thus resulting in his basically being a pressure cooker. It first came out as somatic complaints, but his body just could not keep in all the demons building. A lot more here to say why he kept being allowed to fly by many agencies, but basically they all seem to know you can't realistically stop people from a career just because they are taking medication. No one could have known what was to come. It's a terrible tragedy for all and I feel awful about the experiences the passengers and their families had to go through.
my former classmate worked as germanwings stewardess and we had recently reconnected on a germanwings flight to tenerife where she spoilt me and my family as if we were kings. when i heard about the germanwings crash i immediately texted her if she was ok and spent anxious minutes before she replied and she had not yet heard what happened. that memory will stick. shiver.
RIP to all the victims. I didn't know about this case, really devastating. I wish all those victims family well as well as his family. I wish they are free from all the burden, the guilt from listening to all the victims stories and the tragic mistakes that happened. Very very sad..
This documentary is by far the most detailed and consistent one on this case and it depicts a lot of interesting stuff about Andreas Lubitz, but I just need to point out that on a couple of the photos you used it's not Andreas, for example at 14:18 , that's another man sharing the same name, whom the media initially mistook in 2015.
Despite suffering from substantial physical and mental illness, I had to fly to my father's unexpected funeral 2 weeks ago. As hard as I tried to fight it, I took a bit of a turn on the plane; and, I was pleased and grateful how quickly and compassionately the flight staff responded to my medical emergency. I share this to give others comfort that at least some airlines have considered these sorts of situations and implemented protocols to deal with them. Thank you Air Canada for your compassion, understanding, and assistance.
Im the worst kind of passenger. The slightest disturbance and Im like "Well we're all dead". I would just get up and raid the liquor cabinet. I refuse to die in a fiery plane crash while sober.
Not much of a ‘session’ though , only 10 minutes. I never anticipate a problem when I fly anywhere but that never stops me from getting a bit ‘woozy’ from the drink trolley. So I’m always ‘prepared’.
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As someone who has had suicidal thoughts I could never ever imagine taking out anyone with me. That is just wretched to do. I have no sympathy for this killer. He chose to murder innocent people bc he wanted to and no other reason than that.
As a German I remember this case very well. Devastating beyond words. I could imagine, he was on the brink of a psychotic breakdown and no longer master of his thoughts and feelings. Which of course doesn't minimize the terror and guilt in any respect. Maybe the involved physicians tried to not stigmatize him and to not shatter his career after what they misdiagnosed as a mere episode of mental illness. Having said this: Of course all that was a chain of tragic mistakes ...
My mom was supposed to be onboard this flight but suddenly her ticket disappeared through quantum fluctuations, which saved her life. Rest in Peace those once onboard.
I wish he had sought more help or at least only taken himself out. Suicidal depression is a horrible thing to suffer from, but it’s not fair to take others down with him like that. Horrible :(
@@Panda-cute That's the best part: No one has a choice in the matter. I should clarify, tho, because I was kinda just talking shit with my first comment: People aren't fair, which is why life isn't fair.
@@MickMcGarnackle I just don’t get what your point was. Life isn’t fair people aren’t fair sure, but we can still try our hardest to make things better instead of accepting that
I remember following the news about this situation when I was a kid, hopping that they would find the black box so we’d know what exactly happened. It was truly a tragic event
If I were to write a screenplay based on this story, it would start the day before the crash. Andreas tells a psychiatrist about his sinister plans and checks himself into a psychiatric hospital. He has conversations with different patients around him, and is disturbed by a nagging familiarity. He remembers them as different passengers on the plane and realizes that the crash did occur. His psychiatrist reveals that he is in fact an Angel charged with Andreas’s soul in purgatory and it is unlikely he will overcome his separation from God and others for many centuries because of his sin.
This killing really bothered me,as my entire life I had dreamed of becoming a commercial Airline Pilot! It never happened as i could NOT afford it , moving out at 17 from my alcoholic parents home, making it by myself with ZERO support! WOW! It's a fucked up world isn't it?
francis. Yes this is indeed very sad for you, hope you found another satisfying job. This coward here was prob a spoiled brat. He didn`t have any financial problems, if he did, his parents would have helped him i`convinced.
You don’t need money to become a pilot, you need a strong passion and a positive mindset towards your goal. Plus, here in Canada, it’s totally free to become a commercial airline pilot
@@canadianaviator - maybe I should move to Canada lol. Here in the UK it’s difficult if you’re not already wealthy. You’ll be paying back debt forever. There are a few scholarships and some airlines offer ‘free’ training in exchange for being tied to that company for a number of years. It’s not impossible for the average joe to become a pilot but it’s certainly a choice you have to make with the consideration that it could financially f you over. My friend is 36 and has two kids (he’s not with the mum) and with his wage and debt and the money he has to pay to CMS he doesn’t have enough for his own place and is living with his mum. As someone who wants a family in the future I’m going to have to seriously consider whether my dream career is going to be possible. Also my teen depression but that’s another question. Got to be able to obtain a class 1 medical before I even consider it
His parents were as much to blame as anyone. Driving him on, encouraging him in his dreams, even when it was obvious he wasn't psychologically cut out to be a pilot. And then, finally, denying he was to blame for the inevitable crash.
I know a Lufthansa pilot whom I spoke to recently about this specific event. Unaware that he had any known connection to anyone on that flight, I sensed an automatic energy shift in him. He reacted with both despair and anger and told me he knew the Captain of that flight quite well and considered him a good friend. He explained that he was furious with Lubitz and said that he also gave a negative reputation to all other Lufthansa pilots after the tragedy, not to mention that he killed a good friend of his as well over 150 innocent people. After saying he had listened to the CVR post crash, he then shut down the conversation and said that he doesn’t want to talk about it because it re-traumatises him and is too painful to think about. Obviously, I apologised and discontinued any further conversation about the event. Just shows how many lives this affected outside of the lives and family of the casualties involved. RIP to all who were killed in this tragedy, and sending love to their family & friends 🙏🙏🙏
Mirtazapine was one of the antidepressants a past pdoc had me try. It made me so sleepy, dizzy, weak, and unable to think straight in the morning that I couldn't function let alone go to class unless I slept for 8+ hours (not an option for my uni schedule). An airline pilot on mirtazapine is already a scary thought.
@@Komotau4691 Speaking of, I'm currently taking amitriptyline, an antidepressant (something that's normally only prescribed by psychiatrists) that physicians in the US are apparently prescribing for pain...along with op!oids. Yeah, interesting meds they sell these days.
you know what is scary to me? How they seem to report full conversations and what when on where everyone died? Who said the pilot told andreas he missed going to the bathroom at the start of the flight? I think it was brought down for another reason and they blamed him. Not the first time and since people are so gullible, won't be the last.
you take it at night time if its lower 15mg and under makes you sleepy eg; for insomnia. Higher mg 30+ people take in the morning as it doesn't make you sleepy and you feel fine during the day, do some research.
U got my like and sub bruh ive read into this pretty extensively but u had numerous things on here i didn't know of and I love how u show it wasn't just Lubitz, though of course it's absolutely no excuse on his behalf and if he did it(which I'm 99.9% sure he did) i truly hope he's burning in hell x1000...there's absolutely no excuse especially since he knew he had a history of mental illness..it's not like this shit just crept up on him in March 2015...he had been having these problems for years and lying about it and he put his career before the lives of others...in the extremely small chance he didn't crash the plane on purpose and is completely innocent of it he'd still be a real piece of work for choosing to keep flying with mental issues like that but lets be real we all know he crashed the damn plane..i mean I'm very open minded and i believe almost anything is possible but I'd almost certainly firmly file His Innocence in the Not Possible Column
The scariest thing in this world is not an animal that has no brain and whose instinct is survival, it's a human with a twisted brain. I felt so much at a loss watching this. He should have been permanently grounded right from the first episode 😭
@@Ricardo-cl3vs Fire is brutal. Stabbing someone (slitting the throat). Shooting them in non lethal areas and bleeding out. That’s brutal. Stabbing someone in the face is brutal.
This is an insane case. We appreciate all your dedication and commitment on this channel. You never fail to give respects and considerations to the victims and their families.
I’ll never forget this day. I was in the student Union building of my uni campus and I had planned to work on my dissertation when I checked Facebook and saw the breaking bbc news headline. I spent the morning on the bbc news website, refreshing the page and hoping there would be survivors
"Why didn't he choose a lone suicide?" Oh, that's easy. While some guy killing himself at home is tragic, it's forgettable. It'd be easily brushed over and forgotten within a couple of news cycles. But deliberately crashing a plane and murdering over 100 people? That's instant, enduring infamy. Remember, Lubitz excelled when it came to focusing on objectives. Since the company was causing him so much stress via their policies and was obviously negligent, what better and more direct way to screw them over by crashing one of their planes and immediately exposing them to public scrutiny? He wasn't going to have a career much longer and had planned on killing himself anyway. So it'd make sense for him to go out in a blaze of glory and get away with it. He completed his objectives. Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not defending or making excuses for him. What he did was inexcusable, but it was understandable.
Bullshit. This is all on him. So sick of weak people who won’t deal with life. Life sucks sometimes. We learn to get through it but for some reason some people are perpetual victims.
So many depresed people attempt sucide but no one thinks to harm innocent, in this case he was not just a depressed but a psychopath who found joy in taking other's lives. He even cheated his loyal gf
The human mind can be so incredibly distorted to the point where I'm extremely apprehensive to board a plane. Been with my other half for over a decade now and we have only gone abroad on holiday one time. Dying in a plane crash is literally one of my greatest fears so we didn't want to put ourselves in possible danger, no matter how little the risk. You never know who could snap and when. Why on earth was a pilot prescribed mitrazapine?! Even when I'm suffering from yet another depressive episode since I went through awful trauma at just 15 years old and even I turn down the offer of mitrazapine, they are disgusting and they make you feel like shit. I've been on anti-depression medication for 20 years now- I only found out last week that the doctor who put me on anti-depression meds had committed a crime in prescribing them to someone under the age of 18 knowing that that particular law had already been in place since the early 1990's. I honestly think counselling would have helped me all together, literally just someone to talk to about what I just went through but no, she decided to just med me up instantly. I'm considering suing the NHS- in these 20 years I've only been given 2 seperate counselling sessions of only 1 hour yet I've been tried and put on nearly every single depression tablets available. That's ridiculous.
Getting help for anything at all mental health related is so difficult for pilots in the US that most will self medicate or seek help under the table rather than risk their careers. The bureaucrats at the FAA think they're keeping passengers safe but their draconian rules and requirements more often than not make things worse by forcing pilots to choose between their careers and their health. Doing the "right thing" will get them punished so they suffer in silence and find ways to cope with their health issues without reporting them.
Because of this case rules regarding mental illness in fact became more lax, so pilots wouldn't feel forced to lie to hold their jobs. They can't fly while having an episode, but now they can speak more openly about it and return to their jobs if they get better. This would allow for pilots to speak more openly about their mental illness. Also the cabin was so hard to pry open because, after 09/11, they were made with the intention of keeping terrorists out. Still there is another side of that, if the madman is already inside, you can't reach him.
Yeahhh that's something I was wondering about during all of this. Like, there are absolutely ZERO excuses for what he did, but I can't help but wonder if having to keep his mental health issues to himself out of fear of losing his dream job AND getting saddled with 80k in debt might've played a factor.
Also now there must always be at least 2 people in the cockpit at all times. If one of the pilots needs to go to the toilet they have to get one of the cabin crew to come in to the cockpit.
I remember when this happened, me and my mum were watching a small feature about it, and I turned to her and said “he’s done that on purpose” she said don’t be so silly… months later it came out that he indeed did do it on purpose. Terribly tragic situation 😥
