@@pnklady3788 the same English voters who pushed for HS1, wanted the bill to go through to bail out banks, for rail and public services to be private, for us to join the EU in the first place, voted camelt instead of bransons virgin for the lottery, was against uber coming to the UK. And now want all those things reversed because they changed their minds.
I wonder who donates all the millions to charity if the rich are too greedy to give and the poor are too skint to give? I shall have to check my bank balance in case one of the staff have been giving my money away. I knew that new chauffeur looked a bit shifty.
@hffp1 I wish the people of Grenfell would stop trying to make it about race,it had NOTHING to do with the colour of their skin but their class.they were put into a flammable building not because they were brown but because they were poor
Shotgunmad xl Correct it was an accident I don’t think anyone is saying it was done on purpose😕the point is it should never have managed to get so out of control so quickly and these poor innocent families should have been safe but they weren’t and that is the fault of the owners of the flats “the council” they knew the risks and done nothing to prevent this nightmare tragedy😔
Articulate? All he does is make lots of "current year" statements and employs faulty logic like "the state was useless! we need to give the state more money and power!" without the common sense realisation that it doesn't actually help. Note however my criticism is of him, not dismissive of the tragedy itself and any shred of corruption or cover up needs rooting out and prosecution.
I see it as journaling the experience and having it be known as a public hazard since he predicted that the Council would do nothing about it. He probably did this with the belief that it would be proof as neglect so that the people of Grenfell would be vindicated. Sadly this was not the case.....
@@gorillanotion1024 it was the 'people of Grenfell' that were ALLOWED to leave rubbish on landings. You can hear him say this in the interview. Who was the caretaker? Why did they not take their own rubbish down to the chute room if it was too large for the chute? These piles of rubbish prevented access to the only staircase. If you want to blame a government, this building was opened to residents under a Labour government. Why did they not ask 'Where is the second staircase?' Those that died were all on the floors above the 16th. Was it their OWN rubbish preventing them from getting to the stairs or their neighbours rubbish. Either way, they were tenants and they were responsible to either tell the caretaker or move it themselves. They didn't bother to move it themselves, or the caretaker never did it, if indeed he/she was asked to do so, and now they are all dead. As for the cladding, only ONE person would sign that it was safe. If he or she did, they obviously lied. Who was it? Not the government's fault at all.
A G the sad thing is i feel powerless 😥 don't know what to do no more we are like lambs to the slaughter seriously with the illusion of free will a democratic values but we voye politicians in to dictate to us
If you all read the leaked Citibank memos a few years back it's clear all us poor are disposable and unwanted. We don't spend enough to interest the filthy rich - have to earn 500 mill a year to be of any value. We're all on our own now - we need to stop letting them divide us and start fighting the bastards.....
We are not powerless, we are the many they are the few, they rule over a media that teaches us helplessness. They try to convince us but it is they who are powerless they fear the population
This man is a model citizen. Huge respect. If only more had followed his example or listened to the people like him who speak and fight for their communities.
Councils up and down the country are filled with small minded greedy people if you are a lone voice and try to highlight problems and think for other people they target you sometimes with local thugs. They try to evict you if you have a tenancy they don't reply to email and they act criminally towards you. The alternatives is homelessness the stress is intolerable and they gr away with it over and over this is Thatchers legacy deregulate everything and make everything profit motivated. The educated poor are demonised and their types of work were reduced from the 90s onwards deliberately so. They prefer newcomers to the country as they will not challenge the status quo politically or socially as they don't know what the legacy is so it is another use of them to undermine decent community minded locals who are switched on to gerrymandering, preventing people from accessing social housing in the towns they were born in. Splitting up generations of families gentrification and forcing locals out for corporations or as in Kensington to change the demograph. Deregulation of building ode, fire safety budgets. Rich land owning aristocrats many of who have I inherited historically stolen land from the commons and enclosures act and the Clearances, who were part of the profiteering of empire in all it's vile incarnations ... Who play god with who gets access to a home they can afford when the economy is skewed. They avoid inheritance tax as billionaires you get penalised if left more than six thousand pounds when your parents meet an untimely death yet you can't get the job you trained for , volunteered for years to middle-class charlatans who got grants to employ you but dont pass on the wage. It is a mafia state run by criminals with silver spoons.
Get used to it its ENDEMIC in the UK i'd call it the British disease..... look back, how many times in history has this happened and we've just moved on and said "lessons will be learned" and they NEVER ARE. you need to change the entire system root and branch..... its the only way you will stop it.
Profits over people. A thoughtful and dignified discussion about this dreadful tragedy, by Eddie. If you happen to be poor, you will remain invisible. Appalling to think this can happen in the 21st Century. My son went to help those unfortunate people who lost everything on that terrible day, a few days later. He said the scene of the gutted building was very eerie. It was completely silent. "Grenfell was totally avoidable." How heartbreakingly true.
@@johnbird7357 Look here , you keep prattling on about how people should always pay their premiums but how did that benefit you in the end except for 3 dead tropical fish?
"Their objective was to get their hands on the land." That says it all, really. This man has eloquently described a modern day tragedy ... one which arose out of deliberately engineered inequality and neglect.
"This man" was photographed in the street. He isn't dirty, even after running down 15 flights of stairs in 'acrid smoke". He's partly wrapped in a bright blue blanket. The blanket has no smoke marks on it . He is standing by a spotless bright red car with no ash at all on it. There is no fire debris or ash on the ground. A man in the background smiles as he looks on, in a spotless white shirt and jeans. Two women are walking by on the other side of the spotless car. paying no attention to the burning building, the' crowds' or fire engines. This man is allegedly rich. by inheritance, but chooses to live in a shitty tower block where he is a 'bit of a noise' amongst the tenants. He is said to often be arguing with the council and can get bad tempered if things don't go his way. But on youtube, to the adoring masses, he's a hero. For what? He ran down 15 flights, saw only two people on the stairs, and saved nobody. OOh... but he did write a blog.. Ffs.
@@johnbird7357 Can you direct me to that photograph? Where did you find all this information about this man? And, in any case, does that make any better or less of a tragedy the loss of life and the trauma of those who lost everything in that fire, which scale and proportions has been proved that could have been avoided?
Thank goodness for people like Eddie Daffarn who speaks for the ordinary folk in his community. Let's hope truth and justice come out of the inquiry . Grenfell was clearly a criminal act of negligence .
The fire could have broken out anywhere / anytime in those flats, and may have not been controlled by a fire extinguisher. The people to blame are those that were saving money, by not putting special fire alarms in the buildings, and putting illegal cladding around the tower block .. end of...
Have you read all the reports of his flat? .Have you read the tenants three police interviews? Have you read how "small" the fire was in his kitchen, as reported by his neighbour? Have you read what fire fighters reported? Did you take any notice of the man in the video reporting on his blog that rubbish was ALLOWED to be put in piles on the landings, including mattresses? What does...end of... mean? I was educated in English.
Government as they were told not to use this note than 6 floors. The fact is in any building if you are advice the 6th floor during a fire your ability to get out alive diminishes greatly.
That’s because misguided people keep voting for them. Of course they’re going to get in all the time. People moan about the tories, yet then they win another election because people secretly vote for them!!
@@Matt_10203 true, but the documentary goes into detail that the cladding to paper over poor construction of these industrially constructed towers in the first place, and raises how adding material on the outside is an obvious fire risk.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ch5VorymiL4.html watch from 45:28. Those flats he's standing in front of warning of the danger of fire are in Glasgow, i was there when they were being clad. Tenants were annoyed because they were having to keep their steel windows.. at a meeting out clerk of works said they had to be kept as pvc could melt and allow fire to enter the flat above one on fire. And that they were using corrugated steel as cladding because it was fireproof . This was in 1982. So the effects of flammable cladding and windows were known then
That's not true. There are tons of private landlords keeping poorer Londoners in slum conditions. There are stories of people living with cockroaches or mold. Landlords have been evicting tenants to turn rented accommodation into more profitable emergency accommodation. This vile treatment towards tenants is by no means restricted to London. It's happening elsewhere in the UK too. But what makes this situation special here is that Grenfell Tower and Notting Dale are right next door to Notting Hill. This is the very area where Peter Rachman exploited thousands of poor people and turned good houses into slums. Now people want to exploit the area again, by using social cleansing to boot out people like Eddie Daffarn and his neighbours, so that the area can be handed over to redevelopers who will want to charge people a million pounds to live there. Eddie Daffarn was someone stopping this plan for private corporations to make millions out of the Grenfell Estate. Why were so many people eager to avoid doing their public duty? Were they being bribed?
@@DavidShepheard you wrote a whole essay for no reason. What he meant was that because the council is with the govt they cannot be prosectued or held at
This disaster has a lot of secondary questions to which politicians are very adept at pushing forward diverting attention from the prime questions. From my perspective, the problems at Grenfell Tower started in 1984-85 with the abolition of the District Surveyor. The Government of the day considered this authority to be too powerful and accused them of stifling the construction process. At this time I was a Project manager for a large construction company building large projects in the centre of London. Yes, they were a pain in the backside but, they were right. When they required something tested it was tested or your contract came to a standstill. It was during their reign that the policy of, in the event of a fire, residents must stay in the flat till relieved by the Fire Brigade. To make this policy work the flat must contain the fire using a Door that could hold the fire for half an hour and adequate fire stops. These stops held back flame from passing to the next property either side and above. There are standard details and if an architect specified differently they insisted on a test. This Raises my first question to the Architect for Grenfell Tower refurbishment. "Were you aware of the policy of the tenant staying in his flat in the event of a fire?" If "Yes" "What provisions did you specify to contain the fire?" Then we can go down the chain of was it tested, did the contractor follow your specification and so on and so on. If No then a new chain starts with the Management company in the firing line. You can see it's like an onion, peel back the layers, each one significant, ending with the rainscreen which is what all the current discussion is centering on. Mke Brotherton
Hmmm 1986? Abolition of The Greater London Education Authority and goodbye toKen Livingstone' .In comes The Greater London Enterprise Board and the The HSE ,Cherie Blair makes human rights solicitors become a thing.....and you say they had plastic fire doors?
I was watching the Grenfell Enquiry and the witness today said it started in 1984 when the architect or engineer responsible for each project was in many projects replaced with 'design and build' - the contract makes the project into a profit- making commodity : and instead of firm building control of projects the builder became a "client". The Governments /politicians who deregulated and privatised building control need to be on trial , not just their dogsbodies in the government offices.
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@@TheEarthHistorysConfusing Same in Germany, there was a dangerous building in Dortmund & everyone has to go out & search another home until it's fixed.
@@TheEarthHistorysConfusing laws have tightened up a bit, but the cladding remains on 10`s of thousands of buildings. Polyethylene cladding, and now polyurethane (fake concrete facades) line many buildings. goes up in minutes.
Sadly it's the same the whole world over. If you have money then you have power and influence and you matter more. We poor folks remain poor and powerless and no one hears us or cares enough to effect change simply because we are poor and therefore don't matter.
@@derrickguffey4775 Yes Derrick, you're right. I feel it's so important to stay open to the potential for that to change though. Us good ordinary folk outnumber the tyrants by thousands to one. And they know it which is why they're careful... If enough people see through their game though, it's game over for them...
It was like £2000 to rent a flat in Grenfell so I wouldn’t consider any of the residents poor. The tower was build in the 19th century and looked old. They needed a new look to keep up with the generation we live in now. They don’t care about lives. If the people who owned Grenfell cared about any of its residents then why would they put cladding on knowing fully well what could happen. They did it for their pride.
It was like 6am in london... I woke up, my mum had the curtain wide open. I asked what happend.She said that there was a huge fire and that it was on the news.I got up and looked outside...I screamed. From my flat it was very high so I could see all of London and the sky above Grenfell was covered in darkness... The building was completely full with flames and smoke. Rest in peace for those who lost their lives in this horrifying insident 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏✝✝✝✝✝✝
Susan I hope what you say does not become a self fulfilling prophecy. The seeds that sewed this tragedy were laid down by Blair and Thatcher That created megaliths like The HSE and swept The 1839 Factories Act under the carpet and took trades unionism away from working people imho.
Great interview! The police were totally rude to these people. They should sue. It was as if they didn't exist. The tenants were policing themselves. There was no trauma team on the scene, no doctors until later. Dealing with homelessness because of a situation out of their control. It's changed them forever. I hope the inquiry does something for them. The STATE should keep their promise. Heed this, May!
When he said an EMT yelled at him to "go home", I was shocked. Can you imagine a worse thing to hear when you are literally watching your home go up in flames? I'm not sure if I would've burst into tears or punched that person in the nose. I'm sure there were lots of curious onlookers but that was a 25 story apartment building with hundreds of residents, obviously there are going to be lots of them hanging around in the vacinity of the building. WTF.
Actually most onlookers were shouting instructions to the police to help the people who were desperately asking to be rescued everybody was distraught and felt helpless I saw it live on TV people we relaying flat and floor numbers to the emergency services in vain due to the folk in charge and police flapping about like headless chickens initially . It took ages before someone took charge on the ground from LFB and they weren't the most senior they went against the protocol and sent guys in to try and get people out but it was already such a terrible inferno
You can feel the sadness in his voice. Can you imagine? Thousands of hours screaming to deaf ears, just to be ignored at the end. Anarchy really is looking attractive now.
How can ANONE dislike this video!!! The Man is Speaking THE FACTS and THE TRUTH!!! Not unless the 53 Dislikes are from THE COUNCIL AND THE GOVERNMENT!!! My 1st home was in a high rise, not as big as Grenfell mine as only 14 story’s high. I was on the 13th floor with a new born baby. What happened in Grenfell was My Biggest worry and how I was going to get My Son, My Cat and myself out!! My Heart and Soul go out to everyone who is affected by this devastating soul crushing tragedy #JusticeForGrenfell
Every single person in that building was a hero. This man is so intelligent and so brave to not only talk about this and his problems but in great detail and his blogs are so well written
No one has ever been held accountable for this to this day. It's a tragedy that I'll not ever forget. To all the families who are affected I'm thinking of you all and let justice prevail... ❤️
Poor!! No way this man has millions in the bank from inheritance, he lives there through choice in a life time tenancy. Don't let the professional activist front wash.
The strength it must take to be calm & coherent despite losing everything is beyond respectable. Hats off to this remarkable man who remains the voice of an entire class 🎩🎩
come on now theres no need to be that way..I don't smoke full stop, and I don't make a habit of being sucked in by propaganda..to get back to the real issue here it was a horrific and tragic experience..this poor fella speaking obviously has PTSD. lets be pleasant and peaceful.
JOANNA this directed at Deffarn not yourself. I have full respect for those that does and those around the estate and area that also have respect for all involved. This guy has lied and twisted almost everything he has been involved in for years to suit his social injustice campaign, many resident feared his campaign and have been threatened and scared to speak up. Ask him about such things as the Complaint he took for he ombusman for bullying and harrasment then lost and shouted it was a fix. How many times he has abused officers at meetings verbally because he didn't hear what he wanted. There is so much more to this guy than the portrait you see on this constructed interview. PTSS has affected so many here and many from all groups organisations involved and most not acknowledged.
The residents were responsible for building upgrades. It's deeper then what's been said. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kXSR-Jd25Ds.html
How terrifying to hear the story, his description made me shiver. I still can't get over this story, I can only imagine how the people affected are feeling.
This man has more intelligence and insight than those on the council managing the buildings who did not provide a basically safe building with sufficient evacuation procedures and sprinklers to buy time, and who called him a fantasist. Have those on the council been held accountable for their actions ? A cladding was put on that made it a death trap and made the fire spread - it was like a firework. And an out of touch management of the London fire brigaded, not truly understanding what they were dealing with, though, the cladding was the problem, but they could not see what was in front of their eyes. Normal spectators predicted the outcome of that fire early on. If this were a private (individual) landlord he would be in jail for manslaughter or more by now. This man should not be being interviewed about his experience. His experience, insight and commonsense should be utilised to make Britain's housing safer and he should be paid for expertise. Rest in Peace to those lost in the Grenfell fire.
How would YOU implement a safe evacuation plan, with only one staircase in the building? I've lived in two tower blocks and both had two staircases. One either side of the building as it is against sensible fire regulations to use lifts when alarms go off. The difference between my blocks and Grenfell was that we took our large items of rubbish down to the chute room, not left them on the landings blocking the only flight of stairs, as they did in Grenfell. Bad building management and lazy tenants are not a good mix. Where was the caretaker? The man in the video says himself that tenants were ALLOWED to store rubbish on landings. Being allowed implies that they asked. Who did they ask? Whoever it was, they got no replies. Instead of taking responsibility and moving THEIR OWN RUBBISH to the ground floor chute room. they left it on the landings.
This is edited and theres parts like 17:14 (where he's clearly about to list reasons that ruined this interview for me. In future give the interviewee the respect that they deserve)
Excellent interview, well done Eddie Daffarn and Channel 4. It's a total disgrace that the same cladding is on numerous other buildings. SHAME ON YOU COUNCILS AND GOVERNMENT!
I have a SERIOUS issue with the money royals are making each year out of taxes, yet NHS and infrastructure maintenance are repeatedly slashed. Can someone explain this phenomenon to me?
So sad that it happened. What makes me angry is the fact that this country should be spending more money on helping the victims who are still alive, not wasting it on this royal wedding
It's not just the cladding and rain screen. The refurbishment designed away compartmentalisation. The main component in keeping residents safe. They took a safe place to live and turned it into a death trap.
The Criticiser I also thought the flats were recently refurbished I think they installed gas if so they must have made holes between the concrete floors . If so was the internal integrity of the fire breaks comprised an did this add to speed of the fire.
As the person who helped cladd the 1st Towerblock, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th,..... one look at a cross section of the window detail would be enough to say this is lethal. Back in 1982 as we started the first one, "nothing that holds a flame should be in the window area or on the external wall".
I was a Lewisham Councill Project Manager for the refurbishment of Daubeny And Eddystone Towers In Deptford. Both Towers were clad with a rain screen cladding. In the Management section, we had to demonstrate how to replace damaged cladding anywhere up the face of the building in the event say of fire. The policy of tenants staying in their flats in the event of fire was in place so the integrity of the fire stops had to be demonstrated. We had two Clerk of Works on site with the rule while fire stopping was in progress it one of them must be on the scaffold and witness it has been carried out to specification and sign a register of the witness. We involved our tenants in all aspects of the refurbishment and some members of their association witnessed some of the testing. M. J. Brotherton
No, I don't, I am concerned this is going to turn out to be like Hillsborough. I listened to the Q.C's deliberation today and object to his accusation that the fire brigade was in error of having a stay in the flat policy. This has been the rule in all high rise buildings to my knowledge for 40 years. This has been their ingrained training How were they to know some idiot, nay criminal had not put in adequate fire stopping and was probably the same criminal who moved the window outward creating a space (chimney) for flames to roar up and also not fire sealing around the windows. Fire doors is another question the whole thing is a shambles leave the Fire Brigade alone and expose the real crooks it makes my blood boil. M Brotherton
When you move into a building like this, you are literally at the mercy of people who have little long term interest in your well being; that's why towers like this, even if they get off to a good start, often end in some combination of disaster and tragedy. The same if true of such projects here in the USA. But another thing at play here is the short memory that's a part of human nature. England started to mandate brick construction after the London fire of 1666, and with the help of simple economics and forest depletion, it kept people safer than they would have been for 300 years, yet the plastic claddings that started to come out after WW2 seemed so far removed from the days in which fire was considered an immediate threat, that even after the disaster at Summerland in 1973 and the scourge of dangerous polystyrene ceiling tiles during that time, covering the outside of a building designed to be non-combustible with plastic cladding seemed like a reasonable thing 3 decades later. Similarly, we in the USA have become so confident of sprinklers that wood-framed apartment blocks far too big to have been allowed 50 years ago are springing up all over the country, despite the fact that fires that start in a building's dead spaces regularly get around the areas covered by sprinklers and that sprinkler systems are only trouble free for 20 to 30 years. When these building age and their then shoddy landlord start quietly shutting off leaky sprinkler systems, we'll have our share of Grenfells. It takes a few big tragedies to learn these lessons, but sometimes it only takes a few decades without a disaster to forget them.
Excellent interview. A good complement to the more lightweight (if personal and moving) ones that have been out recently .Edward Daffarn says what needs to be said, and the interview is well facilitated by John Snow. Unfortunately the government has been desperately trying to pin all the blame on the contractors and council (saying that the building regs prohibited the cladding which is open to some doubt). While the companies, contractors and council obviously are to blame, so are the national politicians who failed to update the building guidelines and regulations and act on the recommendations of previous fires. I would like to see them all have a long spell in prison so they can think of and take responsibility for what they have done.
I'm sure Building regs have not permitted anything that can "hold a flame" since 1995. Previous to that we where sticking flammable Polystyrene on walls and ceilings. The next rule involved Firebreaks. Above any window on a multi floored building a complete break in any material that can spread a flame is installed, it's been compressed Glasswool for ever. It's height is measured to cover flame travel and stop it travelling to the floor above. This system has to be covered with a none flammable coat or panel, not a cavity and a flammable panel. I couldn't see how the Grenfell system passed anything and then noted the links in the chain, years ago it would be the Council and the Contractor. The Council would send their Clerk of Works on a course to see how the Insulation should be fitted and made, and he'd have followed the rules religiously for it's fitment, to the exact wording. Contractors only fit the material, they can voice concerns but get ignored or sacked and Blacklisted, I've been in the situation, luckily a visiting Fire officer stopped the job and demanded a material change. We don't see Fire Officers or Clerks on jobs anymore. Thatchers " we must peel back the State " has left us under the control of business, they provide their own pseudo Fire Officer that they keep in their back pocket. Fridge manufacturers use the same method. If Fridge manufacturers where under the scrutiny of the old Government consumer board, Grenfell wouldn't have happened no matter what panel was fitted. The Government consumer action section was told it wasn't needed, Government would implement laws and rules, Companies would Audit themselves, get an ISO Qualification or blah, blah, blah, and all would be happy. Management companies are not experts in Cladding, only experts in Spreadsheets. Letting Construction Audit itself was first tested when they constructed these blocks and some where demolished shortly after being built with missing bolts and inferior concrete. As a note to your list to blame, we need to take back control, but voting forms only contain people that they allow to get on there. Without a box that says "none of the above" we are stuck with their choice, bar a revolution, which I've been expecting or hoping for since 73.
spex357 Great reply and I do agree with you. I'm not in the trade but I've spoken to those who are and looked at the regs with them and the accompanying document B and they are very confusing - one part negates the other - on what is allowed. This is why I think the council and contractors will argue the cladding and insulation was allowed and the government will argue it wasn't - both trying to protect themselves
Indeed and made worse with the extra links in the chain inserted on purpose to hide responsibility. I'm sure CDM regs have fire as the first consideration when you start a new project. In behind all this is the Industry that would have cladded and rendered it, and a fridge fire on the fourth wouldn't have been a problem and at worse a local paper item. Previous Government ECO, Green, Renewable Grant systems, allowed the industry to become corrupted overnight. System specifications where ignored, control was minimal or corrupt, and local housing got sick of the poor quality that they really didn't want to pay for. The law says they have to Insulate housing, especially Solid Wall, so they looked elsewhere and found Rain-screen Cladding, and here we are with death everywhere and I'm not surprised but never as shocked as I was at 01:10 am on that morning.
spex357 Agreed. I think the judge of the enquiry will be quite good at unravelling the building regs and guidance and the chain of contractors and apportioning responsibility reasonably well (his background is in similar sort of stuff). What I suspect and fear is that he won't really tackle us the government's equal responsibility in causing the fire to happen.
Letting fridge manufacturers Audit themselves has helped hide the fact that most will kill you if on fire and quite a few take place yearly. Peeling back the State has left us at the mercy of business, right across the board. I heard Corbyn say he was going to put a stop to Thatchers Ideology but I haven't heard him mention it again, one of his backers probably had a word with him. Who is the judge, seeing as they have allowed people to talk about their feelings how come the mothers of Iraq weren't invited over for the Chilcot enquiry, we might have seen Blair in jail.
Yes but all sorts of other regulations also that were there to defend people's rights to safety . Think about that the next time you get on a 4 lane motorway.
@@factorylad5071 Too true. I know they have removed the hard shoulder safety lane from some motorways. Thankfully I don't drive and haven't been on a motorway for a long time. It's amazing how they slyly slip their relaxation of safety measures through. Maybe because the impact isn't immediate and they foster an anti health and safety culture, that's why people don't protest more about it.
As a young child I used to look at the sun setting on that building, and then night would fall People enjoying life within the tower living room lights on and so. My heart hurts when I look at what’s happened. To Allah belongs the heavens and the earth and May he make it easy for those that lost their life’s and bring justice on his earth and in the hereafter. Ameen 🙏🏽
Eddie puts it very concisely - local govt. wanted the land. The sale of the college, brokered by Feilding-Mellon of the Council was kept completely under wraps, even from local govt leaders, so that expensive flats could be built, and that would be just the beginning. “Sinister” is the exact correct term to use.
Raghav Madan I live in England, and I am ashamed to say that the money that could be spent on helping rehouse the victims was wasted on a stupid royal wedding
Aspie tech girl 1990 se have politicians here in India in that form. Just made for promises and no actual work and criticizing other political parties.
I'm in the US, not the UK, but I was very shocked and disappointed too. I've always thought England, and many other similar nations. were much more trustworthy and cared more for their citizens than our government in the US does. This was a tragedy and it truly was shocking and disappointing. My rose colored glasses, so to speak, regarding the UK are gone for good.
People had to beg firefighters to rescue people ... enough said! Abandoned by the Royal Borough Kensington Chelsea and supported by the local Mosque and the community
My building is 14 stories and we have two stairwells. Why is this building so high with only one stairwell? Every building should have more than one stairwell. Also, why aren’t there fire alarms in every flat? Why didn’t everyone think of trying to get out? They were told to stay put. Why?
The only one who got a (suspended) jail sentence related the Grenfell tragedy was someone who burned a cardboard model of the tower. That's the UK at it's best.
Such a powerful message. As a community we have more to offer than the government that we pay to look after us. He is asking very deep and important questions. I'm glad he was given the chance to share his view.
If you want to blame anyone, BLAME THE CODE OFFICIALS WHO ALLOWED THIS MATERIAL TO BE USED.... The manufacturer deserves to be out of business, but don't think those code officials didn't fudge on shitty materials being used in their jurisdiction
PinkSmarties72 this was caused by decades of underinvestment and incompetency by governments and councils of every persuasion. If Blair hadn't opened the floodgates to so much immigration house prices might be lower, pressure on social housing might be lower, and there might be more money available for maintenance and replacement. Instead councils are obliged to spend hundreds of millions on hotel bills for anyone who chooses to come here from god knows where. More money is probably spent translating documents etc into a hundred different languages for people who shouldn't even be here.
The thing that I find very haunting is that the street view of Grenfell tower on google maps shows that company Rydon doing work at the tower or by the tower. Is that them installing the cladding?? It certainly is a huge possibility. That’s why I find it haunting.
This is remarkable to view after the inquiry has been concluded. I sincerely hope justice is finally done and am heartsick these people had to suffer so long and so unnecessarily.
No you are only going to see changes for the worse. If you are thinking of travelling on a"smart" motorway don't forget your St Christopher badge. And I can't wait for new nuclear reactors to be rolled out (sarcasm)
I'm so shattered for him and all the families who are victims of Grenfell. The horrific negligence of fire safety is a testament to WHY it does not work when we privatize the health and welfare of human beings. Private contractors are in it to make money, not protect lives or improve living standards. When no one is responsible, everyone cuts corners to make that extra bit of money, and from that perspective, Grenfell tower was a cracking success. Now the Government can use the land for further development, more contractors can make money proposing new buildings, and they don't have to offer nice social housing for these families anymore. There is literally NO consequence for failing these people. The PM promised to house these people in 3 weeks, and she promptly forgot about it. Now its almost a year and its still not done! Even worse, how many of these people in the victim, the firefighters, and neighbors will suffer long term health consequences from the fumes they have been exposed to? 9-11 is still causing loss of life to this day. This will be no different.
@Hoho Hoho - No they wouldn't. Some of them were trapped on their own floors because they couldn't get to the staircase as the doors were blocked on the other side with piles of rubbish , including mattresses. Tenants laziness contributed to their own deaths.
It’s crazy they were told to remain inside. Second only one stairwell is not enough. I lived in a dorm years ago with 350-400 students about 10 stories and they did regular drills to evacuate the building by the stairs in under 15 minutes. They had the better part of 2 hours before they tried a mass evacuation.😢
