The Manor Lords Developer Is Rightly Worried... 

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It is banished whith some combat and better graphics, perfect mix.

And it is exactly why all those people wishlisted it. It's all those grand strategy creators that started projecting false promises.

Yeah im hoping it doesn't have too much combat

@@matthewgoldsmith2183the dev has a mode with no combat I believe

​@@edgingnothing4070 Yes true

Yes and overhype, like comparing it to ck 3. It's anno/Dawn of man.

@@AstralJumper I think a lot of the "overhype" seems to come from three reasons: One, how excited all the people playing the game right now are about it, and how much they are clearly enjoying it, it definitely comes through. Two is just the lack of this style of medieval town simulation builders (I don't think anything has been this popular in this game category since Banished) and third, how many unfinished features there are leaving people excited for updates to come and what a finished game would look like.

WTF never had a Dev say this 10/10 going buy it just help him out

You realise thtas not unqiue just many given up the majority ofmpkayers dont listen and rumours get out if hand hell the amkunt times games have reviess that are criticing ut for doing things that are inherent the the genre that the game has in bood letters dtamoed on its steam page is mind booglinh

There was hype around DD2 and I even bought the Legendary, but based on what content tubers were saying made me suspicious, then the dev said: "The game doesn't hold your hand." I have not heard one content tubers over-hyped like DD-2. Some O-H, but I waited for the "REAL" reviews on DD2. Yes, and my suspicions about the over-hyper were true and I got my refund before even playing the game one second. If Manor Lord after one hour of playing is REALLY-over-HYPED, I for sure will get my refund and be disappointed w/indie devs now. But saying what the game isn't and telling us to lower expectations, isn't over-hyping. I can see he is being honest and in gaming...that is rare.

yeah that big time game companies arent about quality but money ...

One developer and about 500 people who worked on the project, sometimes for free. But mentioning the help of these people would hurt the marketing of the game.

​@@user-eb9fs5cf8l Less than 150 people and they are glorified gamers with early access. There is only one guy that ever had access to the games assets.

Dev: guys settle down, I'm one guy making a chill building game. Every content creator on RU-vid: TOTAL WAR KILLER MANOR LORDS. lmao the hype really has gotten too high

@@alphaspartan RU-vidr*

Yes. It's rare to see a developer (single or group) actually delivering exactly what they announce.

Yes, and the game is fantastic - with so much potential to evolve. I for one am happy to patron this effort.

A lesson for gaming and business

@@biometalixa lesson in life, really

Hope you are correct fellow gamer.

The main reason this happens for me is because it's one of a kind...first ever game that let players build their fantasy medieval city, and also fight like in TW games which also have a lot of fans. On top of that, a beautiful graphic. The devs would definitely be overwhelmed by exited players

I think it’s more like, “promise and deliver.” No over. No under. Just honest.

It's not a solo dev, he knows that im sure. I have no idea why people keep saying this.

@@yukowl Because it is a solo dev. You are free to show proof that it's not.

He started solo

Its a buzzword at this point. It started out as a solo dev, more people work on it now ​@yukowl

@@yukowlmost of the initial work was done by him. He hired a small team when he partnered with the Hooded Horse to help finish it and work on minor improvements with the code. But yes the game was designed and build by one Man for the most part.

Art versus product.

@@YamiHoOuno, it’s good product versus bad, rushed product made only for money.

@@maxwellkelly4667 I'd say it's also small team with clear goals and ideas vs large conglomerate with multiple conflicting goals and ideas. Starfield is a good example of a game with a bunch of good individual ideas that simply do not work well together and instead actively fight each other. A small team has much more freedom to abandon ideas that aren't working, and less freedom to add multiple complex ideas.

It is easier nowadays as you don't have to build the game engine from scratch. Unreal engine has made all this possible. I can build a game minus the programming part which actually gives it purpose. I also lack the reason as the ammount of work is brutal and one does not start this alone, it's suicide. Been there and lost my familly in projects like this not to mention you give your life away as there are not enough hours in a day working on 2-3 different machines at once 20hours a day to do everything. You know how to do it you just have endless work to do. Yet im unable to find a simple job in a studio cause i never built a decent portfolio. Started to create my portfolio for like 3 times and gave up cause everytime someone arround me was not happy i was not spending time with them then crying that im not making money to give them the dream life...bloody hell people are complicated. Still building a game alone it is possible if you're single and have no life or divorced. If the studio hires remotely i would like to add my self the cows, pigs, ducks, dogs, some more food options cheese and milk for trading and some more veggies like onions, cucumbers, cabbage, beans, more buildings and tools and the tomatoes and potatoes reaching XVI century etc 😂

It's cool and I can nerd out over stuff like this, but ultimately it isn't what makes or breaks a game. I think I'd still be playing Anno games if they weren't from Ubisoft.

I knew it was a passion project and strove (strived? did strive to?) to be historically accurate but that’s extra awesome that he made trips to get things accurate. As a history lover, that just makes me that much more excited for this game!

@soccerfillenfrance it is based in 14th ct. Franconia in nowadays Germany. There were some big independent cities there, which is supposed be your end goal, as far as I know. Everything is made so that it most closely resembles the landscape, architecture, fashion, technology and society of this time and region. Archeologists and historians are involved as counselors. I guess you are right to be excited 😊

Hes one guy

@@soccerfillenfrance i think all of those are correct? Unless i striveth to the wrong conclusion

I’d compare it more to an age of empires/age of mythology type of game, except insanely historically accurate. Also, I think people don’t realize that in real life, a feudal lord isn’t going to field thousands of troops like they would in the total war series. A real lord would maybe constitute about 100-200 men-at-arms to their kingdom in times of war. Manor lords looks so fucking good

I never saw a RU-vid claiming it was going to be like that. Honestly anecdotal evidence.

​@davidrobinson7260 there plenty of videos like that on the total war side of RU-vid, I've even seen it on the reddit saying it doesn't exist is blatantly incorrect

@@undary0u wow I guess I’m just enlightened, and privileged to never have gotten into Total War…

@@davidrobinson7260 idk what to tell you man, you're right it is anecdotal evidence and I don't have the time or energy to go and find all those videos and reddit threads to prove it to you.

That's social media for you. Turn all that ferocious din off and gaming goes from torrid battlefield to mellow pasture.

Yea, if your a sheep, form you own opinion. Even if the community hates/loves it, it should not pursued you. It can help but please decide yourself.

It's because modern games are either 100% masterpieces or 100% souless crash grabs

Same I really love it, but personally I find the new regions stressful lol, I just want to focus on my region

The grid thing bothers me the most. That happens to work when building Manhattan, and very little else. I hope the freeform building enters into base building and farming games, first game to do that well will win big.

This is one of the reasons I still go back to Frost Punk from time to time. While it's still a grid based, it's not a square grid and that's already a bit different. Now, I do have other gripes about building in that game, but that's not the point.

You should check out foundation. It's also a smaller scale city builder that doesn't use grids. The Aesthetics are very different to manor lords though (a lot more cartoon-like).

Should watch Nano's video on ML. He says outright the plot system is just so good. Watched him make a protractor-shaped farming plot with zero issues.

Have you played Banished

Same, I want to build my cozy little village with not having to worry about a massive war or grand strategy. Maybe I will have a few skirmish with bandits but nothing more than that.

This

yup only made me want it more, for me the combat is extra. let me build my medieval village/town/city

Same thoughts here lol

Exactly, I want to build my agrarian community while listening to "Concerning Hobbits" on loop

Incorrect, because next comes the lawsuits

Nonrich people always assume having tons of money is stress free 😂

​Its guaranteed to be 99.9% less stressful than the opposite​@@alexanderrahl7034

@@parithon2397 It'd be impossible to win a lawsuit against the dev for misinformative advertisement when he's explicitly stated what not to expect.

@@neurotic3015 don’t count on it

you should check out medieval dynasty, then

Elite Dangerous comes to mind....

@@smoadia85 there is city building and management in elite dangerous??? oh damn i gotta download it again. what a time to be alive

@klinetalladen It's OK you misunderstood it. It's not a story every gamer knows. I was referencing OP saying include a camera behind a character model and people losing their mind part. I was talking about the development to include being able to walk within your ship. It was a controversy.

@@smoadia85 aww. my bad hahaha. i got excited. i guess ill still continue redownloading elite dangerous. its been a while since i last played anyway.

games been in development for almost 10 years and still cant build castles or walls LMAO

@@DJsharp707He’s been developing this game alone. Rockstar Games has thousands and it took them over a decade of work on RDR2 and tbh it’s not the best game I’ve played.

@DJsharp707 you could build castle and walls slready in the demo.

@@clauslangenbroek9897 No you cant lmao the devs literally said on twitter dont try and make "walls" until he actually adds them in.

@@DJsharp707 learn to read. He said don't try to use castle walls as city walls until I add them (city walls) to the game. There are castle walls. You need them to build your manor.

Sounds like a game I always wanted the stronghold to be.

Exactly this

Anno 1808 or the Anno Series in general is the closest thing to manor lords imo.

To me it looks like Foundation but with combat and more realistic graphics, but less of everything else (in its current state).

the investors want their $$$

The investors want to sell lies. Their entire wealth is speculation-based

Same here, this game gave me more satisfaction than any other titles they've released since Attila. They're focusing more on WH fans rather than the fans who supported them since the first shogun.

It's a bit of the same issue that we happy few ran into. People saw it, went 'oh, new bioshock' where in fact it was pretty much nothing like bioshock. The results were... troublesome.

village builders lack imagination. so glad he added combat

@@cagneybillingsley2165 What you're saying is that you lack imagination, nothing else...

@@Langharig_Tuig I think your being a little unfair. Imagination only takes you in so far as the actual games limits allows. You want to Role play and use your imagination that's great however if the only core gameplay loop you have is "Village builder" It doesn't leave much room for "imagination" to fill in the blanks. A game like Kenshi would benefit far more from your imagination since the gameplay loops are numerous and the mods only take that even further!

@@Brandon-bc1fz That's ok, but a City Builder isn't trying to be anything else other than a City Builder. People criticizing it for being just that is just as fair as if I started playing WoW and complained about the lack of modern weapons and riveting FPS gameplay. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

The fact it _can_ do that is a pretty damning indictment of the entire industry.

Can’t wait for it to come to console. We don’t have a lot of city building or strategy games so this would be a wonderful game to have!

​@@hedlund Is it really? Haven't the majority of major innovations that shook up any given industry started with one (a few at most) dedicated entrepreneur with fresh eyes and a willingness to listen to the consumers?

It's not that they want to _reduce_ wish listing. They want to reduce incorrect expectations that lead to bad experiences, bad reviews, and bad press. Wish listing is still good when people know what they're actually buying.

You may like the vibe but I totally dislike anything Activision pumps out as they are one of the worst AAA devs.

@@Zittylol Activision had nothing to do with those titles. They were all long before Activision acquired Sierra.

The road building grades, the traffic jam management, the economy, was what made Settlers 1 great. Shame about the successors.

Farthest frontier comes pretty close to this game.

@@npcknuckles5887 If you like Settlers I and II, there is an open source game project called Widelands that has the same gameplay style.

"...managing the logistics..." You better not be lying - cause that is the CORE of what I want from a game. :D It's why I stopped playing Medieval Dynasty... where there is ZERO support for management. Such a missed opportunity - smh.

exactly

well be prepeared that the game is very small scaled meaning the game realy isnt a city builder its more like a hamlet builder, you will have 30-40 scattered buildings and thats it, you wont be building cities, or even big villages.

@@user-uk6qs5fu9z I actually like the sound of that, ideal for building a medieval style town. Thank you for the comment and letting me know, I appreciate it!

@@MsBellaGames no worries

@@user-uk6qs5fu9zas long as I can wage war to others,I will love it coz most of city builder games are just bore exp for me after complete the town or city

@@user-uk6qs5fu9z lol how wrong was you. The villages have 400 people living inside them. and you can have multiple villages. and hundreds of buildings. thousands of villagers.

I think its more of an indication of just how far the Total War series has fallen...

...but manor lord battles looks already better than tw. And it's not even the main focus of the game.

​​​@@dwavenminer Not entirely, it's just historical TW fans that feel like they have been overshadowed by fantasy (Warhammer Total War being the most successful TW game ever). I like almost all Total War games, but those people are nutjobs. I'm an RTS main, Manor Lords is a city builder closer to The Settlers or even Black & White, Total War is an RTS/TBS hybrid. The only reason they shout at CA is because Manor Lords is the closest thing to Total War in terms of combat scale, even though that both games are not the same 80% of the time. And that is the only straw they can hang on

​@jacksheldon8566 Not really? The combat is a hybridization of Mount and Blade and Total War.

​@@JABelms We don't feel overshadowed by Warhammer. The GAMEPLAY is the issue. It's arcade. It's not the strategy focused battles with empire simulation. It's a 3D card game now. New Total war fans don't understand that. They think it's "omg muh time period". Its not. It's the gameplay, as well as the greedy dlc focus of the modern series'.

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So more customisation on you’re manor

well said

This game is entirely about being a lord with his villages that just keeps an eye on his peasants and enjoys it slow buildup. Also, because of being non-grid based, it is not hard to make your villages look very VERY much so organic/non-US-suburb-like. It is hardly ever that you gonna have city, and it may be a bit of the end game thing to attempt at building one, and yea, basic village with net gain over time can be done quickly. It is because in principle you gonna have few spread across the map transporting welth back to your pocket.

Have you ever played knights and merchants?

@@pilifida23 no i havent.

The early access vids don’t show everything. It’s much bigger than a small scale builder. Your village isn’t done in 3-4 hours. It’s going to be like sim city where you can build for 10 or 100 hours in a single map

Reminds me of Knights and Merchants.

@@octasteveI was going to say Reminds me of caesar 3.

Cavalry

Still, for a first game for the studio, and a game that was started by one guy, the game is done well so far.

Solo dev manegement games tend to take a few years/decades to become feature complete, but they are done to autistic detail when finished and it is beautifull.

He probably just doesn't want to get harassed because peoples expectations get unreasonable

There plenty of people on steam and reddit who say that the game will be better than X when it's not trying to compete with X. But those TW creators streaming it helps to make those expectations more realistic.

I agree, all this is exactly what I was hoping Manor Lords would be

he will focus more on combat i future patches. this will be better than total war

@@cagneybillingsley2165 would be great. i prefer smaller scale tho - much more tactical

Yea ... i mean ... lots of big creators from the total war bubble playtested it and the feedback was really positiv Hes just one dude who managed to create a cleaner experience than creative assembly with their spaghetti codebase Simple stuff like Pathfinding and unit responsiveness etc ... .creative assemblys fuck ups over the last years really was win after win for the dev from manor lords

Mix of imposter syndrome and the dev being afraid this will collapse under the weight under its own hype. Which is a completely fair thing to be worried about This DOES look like a good game if you like this genre, but people getting TOO hyped up could make them expect the impossible.

@@RookMeAmadeus Review score matters a lot on Steam. It's a very wise move to set expectations so that fewer people who might leave a negative 'not for me' type review won't buy. This wouldn't be necessary normally, but the game has gotten so much coverage and hype from a non-core audience that the dangers of being very good but still not meeting a lot of people's improperly formed expectations are higher than normal.

Not Cities Skylines 2, that was a total failure

That's not what "imposter syndrome" means.

It's been a playable game for years. Is it anywhere near the grand vision that was promised? No, of course not. But there is something there, and you can play it. Take it for what it is, not what the promises say, and you could probably have a fun enough time with it too.

Star Citizen is indeed a real game. The next update comes out in May and will update navigation, UI and the flight model.

A very, very expensive game, with no clear direction and not much to do.

@@Pushing_Pixels45$ is expensive?

@@Pushing_Pixelsthere’s many things to do in star citizen you just have to slow down and take it in for what it is instead of rushing it take some time to explore different planets visit some cool places like dunboro on micro tech there’s a reason it got so much funding and support with a dedicated fan base

Heh, same - though it was Warcraft. The original DOS version. Ludicrous, looking back at it

So true. 😂❤

Hah, I used to love RTSes before they all became about build orders, unit micro, and rock-paper-scissors. Still love city builders.

One of the reasons I love the 4X genre is that it kinda combines simulation and strategy games in one. So anything that goes a similar route will be immediately interesting to me. And yes, I also played small scale RTS games like this... I just enjoy the whole settlement & empire building more than the whole hard confrontational gameplay.

Duuude getting video games from cereal boxes was a vibe. Chex quest was great.

Foundation but with realistic graphics, combat, and less of everything else.

It’s just *dev, just in case

​@@SovietNyanCatYes, but he's had help.

Counter-Strike 2?

Cities Skylines 2

@@tominieminen66 lol i was confused to first

@@Natriarch Yeah, reminds me of gaming companies using CBT for closed beta test 😂

A problem created by the dev because he didn’t put an early acces banner on the store page (other EA games do that from the moment you can wishlist) Yeah it is in the trailer but it could not be found on the game page Edit : just checked and the EA banner is up now

Not sure what streamers you watch but the words "It's early access" have come out of the mouth of every one I have, right at the intro and usually again when they come across some feature that's still a work in progress.

Every youtuber I watch has mentioned it's going to be EA. The map is literally called "early_access_map"

X3:AP was best 😙

@@npcknuckles5887 What is X4 currently missing? Just curious(former "EvE Online" player(("bittervet")) looking to play best "EvE Offline" as they called it.)

is this or banished better? discounting battles

@@npcknuckles5887 I agree at least up until recently. The initial launch of X4 was pretty mid like all X games, but X4 now has at least caught up to X3:AP in the enjoyment ive gotten out of both of them.

@@user-wq9mw2xz3jWell the game isn’t out yet, so it would be hard to answer that question properly. From what I’ve seen from the early keys for CCs Manor Lords seems to have more detail and debth, but the lategame seems to have optimizing potential and somewhat glitchy at populations over 1300/1500 ish (see Laith/social streamers’ 5k pop challenge).