I wouldn't say it's gaslighting, since that needs two or more parties. Since it's spoofing and returning a "no one's here", this would be like you walking down the road and suddenly getting mad off, yelling at the buildings for seemingly no reason... 😅
@@poodlescone9700 🤔🤔🤔 J.E.D.I. *Jamming EM & Deceiving....* Imbeciles?? 🤷♂️ My wit is drawing a blank on what to use for I. 😢 _(could use "Deception" as well, if it helps)_
No, it won't. This is a new pod, but not new tech. It is called active stealth or vertual stealth widely used on Rafale for decades and there are many ways to detect aircraft with such system, so it never become real stealth tech.
@@SoloRenegadeBro, the MQ-20 isn't good for the USMC budget. Not to mention, its only for the USAF and there aren't any plans for the USMC to buy any MQ-20s. Try and do deep research in the topic first.
I had the privilege of meeting a Marine Corps MQ9 Training squadron - they had awesome swag at the display table - instead of the typical “Remove Before Flight” keychains - theirs said “Remove Pilot Before Flight” 😊. This sounds like an awesome use of the MQ9 platform.
@@Talon19 Why so? It's a bit longer and has less loiter time but it has nearly the same munitions payload as the reaper does total (300 lbs less) with just its internal bay and 2700 lbs more with its external hard points. Has better sensors, can carry a larger assortment of munitions, and has the built in IR/RCS reduction. the higher cruise speed and lower loiter times I can see as not sounding good for cas but 20 hours loiter for one craft is still far better than any conventional CAS can manage. And the speeds are not that high to be an issue really.
@@MrDJAK777 The Pred-C isn’t as stable a platform due to its higher airspeed. It’s more suited for interdiction in contested airspace than CAS. It also doesn’t carry as many or as varied munitions as the Pred-B.
@@Talon19 unstable in what way aerodynamically? I cant consider the speed a major issue when the f16 and even the b1b have been used extensively for CAS to great success.
Not for awhile. Since Cold War it’s a racket- military industrial complex said how much of the union was a threat when they were not really. It’s all about money, war is a racket.
@DrangusKahn Sure it's a racket these days no doubt. But end of the day folks still serve, and they train, become skilled and stay prepared. Technology is kept up to date. Who knows that if we didn't have the military operate this way if we wouldn't have more folks who die in combat, or war with an adversary where we lose. I think of it much like gun ownership, would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. We'd never know how things would turn out if it wasn't how it was now except in an alternate universe. It could be better it could be worse 🤷♂️.
@@BattleBrotherCastenare you doing something about it or just crying on the internet? Are you voting for politicians based on policies to hold the MIC accountable? To reduce corruption and pork?
@@Administrator_O-5 Every aircraft has it's mission. Do you also ask why we don't arm the U-2? As the RQ-4 is just the U-2 replacement. the U-2 and RQ-4 fly very high, and adding weight is undesirable. The MQ-9 and MQ-20 are not outdated. The Byraktar TB-2 is a discount MQ-1 Predator, but it still works. Every aircraft has its mission. the MQ-9 has its uses and at those missions it is not obsolete.
Easily done with signed certificates and encryption. Even if the enemy gets a unit, it won't be able to reverse engineer the most critical parts. Proper security protocols will be effective enough IF IMPLEMENTED correctly.
I've always wondered why we lacked active stealth technology, figured it was a technology limitation issue, trying to process a signal then transmit a modified equivalent to fill in the gaps and hide your vehicle in a timely manner. Basically the speed of light limiting the option to faster then light particles in a computer, but if that isn't it then what on earth took so long.
Material science, as far as "glass"/sensors that can take in all that radiation without reflecting any incidentally. Also not all that new the mirror finish f117s and f22s were likely playing around with similar tech. Outside cost might as well just make a RAS based predator though. Edit: we've also had "active stealth" in the form of EW pods/suites on growlers/f35s and other platforms for some time.
That was it, a big part of it. Signal processing wasn’t fast enough not even close. I’m surprised to hear it may be now tbh. If they’re able to repeat back the inverse of an encrypted chirp effectively realtime, that’s wild. I’m not sure about that. Maybe some limitations here re what waveforms can be fully cancelled. We’re only just now doing active stealth with hull arrays on subs so idk
Ive read in some military aerospace electronics journals that along with spoofing and jamming, there is a new methodology called 'sponging' which could (in the future) turn the air itself into radar absorbing materiel or use the moisture and dust present in the air aloft as a tool for misdirection of signals. Really amazing stuff if it can be made to work.
Ahh yes the active stealth of SciFi as depicted in Macross Plus. Also the Minbari had it in Babylon5. I am sure I am missing other examples but those are the two that came to mind.
it's great to see more tech coming out to be retrofitted to older platforms and keep them in the fight. stealth, spoofing, rapid dragon, etc. i'm curious how this might work with other aircraft and ordnance.
I can see this as an absolute win for the USMC. Since the MQ-20 is too expensive and is operated only by the USAF, the use of jammers on Reapers can solve some of the Marine Corps problems in their use of UAVs.
I had the privilege of meeting a Marine Corps MQ9 Training squadron - they had awesome swag at the display table - instead of the typical “Remove Before Flight” keychains - theirs said “Remove Pilot Before Flight” 😊. This sounds like an awesome use of the MQ9 platform.
I recall working on some DRFM based airborne RADAR testers. I was thinking, why couldn't they use this in the EW space? Back then the tech was just being developed. Glad to see they are advancing the technology.
Same with the F16. The new part is putting the capability into a (relatively) low cost and low speed platform, particularly one that is unmanned. Wild Weasel missions no longer have to risk the lives of pilots as long as the mission is within range of these drones.
i had this idea. it would take one hell of processor. you have to play the inverse back into the wave and you only got the time its traveling through the surface to measure it and return it. good news is that most radars are predictable and the cancel returns are easily calculatable. so the first few clicks might get returned, but pretty soon the "cloak" would be in phase.
If they're gonna actually push through with that name, then the least they could do is paint one of each of the MCU Avengers on the nose of each one i.e. Hulk on one, Hawkeye on another, etc. Wouldn't that be COOL?
What the Marines need to do is buy the MQ-20. The MQ-9 is highly versatile but its design is cant be stealthed up for various reasons The MQ-20 is already stealthy but it lacks the MQ-9 ability for STOL as well ability to carry various external pods Pretty sure General Atomics can adopt the MQ-20 easier to the Marines needs than a redesigned MQ-9
@@jdo8405 The USMC has been divesting a lot of equipment so yes they have the money for it Remember they give up the EA-6Bs, Abrams , gunships and so forth. Hell even USMC M777s and HIMARS are being divested Ironically Ukraine has highlighted the weakness of both systems
USMC probably sees the EW pod as a way to extend the life of MQ-9 platform, support infrastructure, training and corporate knowledge. The USAF and US Army can buy the latest and the greatest but Marines will use what works. They can also buy more at a lower cost or take in ones retired from other services. PS - true stealth aircraft take a lot of work to maintain its surfaces and require use internal bomb bay.
USMC probably sees the EW pod as a way to extend the life of MQ-9 platform, support infrastructure, training and corporate knowledge. The USAF and US Army can buy the latest and the greatest but Marines will use what works. They can also buy more at a lower cost or take in ones retired from other services. PS - true stealth aircraft take a lot of work to maintain its surfaces and require use internal bomb bay.
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What we need is what was just recently found within our borders and that is the Rare Earth Minerals hopefully on a scale and inclusion of those specific to the High Technology needs.
Canceling waveforms is actually not a new thing, having said that, it requires that your processing and reflecting of a directly inverse waveform be within the time limits that the originating radar uses for not only detection but processing. This is part of what electronic warfare is about. What is absolutely mind-boggling, is that you can put that type of processing power and the speed of the processing in a pod that can work in real world conditions against multiple threats at once. It also won't make the reaper 100% undetectable, even in those radar signals, because there's a difference between one wing tip to the other, and nose to tail compared to the pod, but honestly it probably doesn't matter, that type of difference depending on the radar type might make zero difference in its ability to distinguish a signal. Also I suspect this is significantly better against longer waveforms, versus shorter ones, which actually might be better for a reaper that tries to stay undetected, but once detected might still be possible to lock on and shoot down from a distance. Just trying to bend my mind on the engineering involved for something like this, it is honestly f****** amazing I didn't think they could make a system that could do radar detection, processing, and signaling back quickly enough to fool any quality modern radar, much less one that can do so on multiple vectors The reaper if I remember right is relatively large, which makes it able to deal with many of the longer waveforms, in other words early warning radars, a tad better in this instance for canceling the incoming radar wave I wonder if they have to profile the reaper into the processing for the signaling to be effective Just so we understand it, this technique would be useful in all cases of stealth systems carrying a radar powerful enough both in signal and processing power, makes me wonder if it's possible to software upgrade many of the newer systems to use something similar, it wouldn't even have to be 100% effective, as I said it's almost impossible to do so, but if you can attenuate the waveform 80%, in addition to the radar absorption materials and the shape of the aircraft, I mean you might be looking at a bumblebee being like a blimp compared to what ends up going back from an f-35 using something similar
From what I understand on the theory here, this wouldn't make the MQ-9 invisible on radar. It would only create more contacts on the same azimuth... making it's location more ambiguous.
The french use a cross modulation tech on the rafale fighter based on Fourier synthis, all energy or sound Propagate in a waveform patern, win you cross modulate two identical waves depending on the sequence they either double there amplitude and they negate them ,ist as simple as 1+1=2 or 1-1=0 ,so by interpreting spectrum energy coming in you can send out a mirror image going out and cancel they radar in this instance in the space around you , it works like reactive armor. They should drop these reapers and focus on the new drones like loyal wingman using smaller cheaper and more disposable platforms for targeting and recon ,you can make a drone like this vary small and out of materials that are radio translucent like the original predator that mostly made out of a wood and fiberglass composite. Carbon fiber materials are also translucent, radar just goes right through them .
It sounds like the Athena that was the center of the Jake Grafton book, the Minotaur, by Steven Coonts. It was a box they could bolt onto an A-6 and turn it into stealthy airframe. That book was written in the late 80s or early 90s. AWESOME tech and book!
Any news on the B21 program? also What does the USAF plan to replace the C 17 with? I have searched a lot, but have not seen any successor program for C 17s.... anyone have any ideas?
I’ve been thinking about this sort of thing for ages now, as many people probably have, but you can’t find a quick answer about capabilities because EW information is so sensitive. So many possibilities with these kinds of things. I just have always hoped and assumed that we are far, far along this technology pathway but no one is going to hear about it since it’s all classified. So many questions I’d love to ask.
nice. one of the types of true active stealth is using a matching wave but syncing it so your set of waves crest match their set of wave troughs and both sets of waves cancel each other out. Giving AI development, we could see it detection and matching happening fast enough to make this type of active stealth possible.
Funny, but the Gripen was designed from the ground up to get an upgrade like this! Literally. The thought was to have superior software and electronics modularity, to enable the ability to upgrade to better and better ECM.
If I am understanding what is going on, the pod sends a counter radar wave inverse to the wave going back to the receiver. If so, this would be ingenious.
The idea is an interesting addition for non-stealth aircraft, even if not 100% effective. Move that up into the IR range and most ground launch (fire and forget) systems will lose effectiveness as well.
SR-71 had EW systems, still classified I believe, that could, among other things, spoof enemy radar into believing Blackbird was miles away from where it actually was. This system was mentioned publicly in 1981 when North Korea fired multiple SAMs at a Blackbird.
This would be very interesting with a 4th gen fighter like the FA18. The FA18 already has a pretty small radar signature thanks to its engine air intakes being on the side of the plane and its rear tail fins being canted instead of being at a 90 degree angle. If you were to combine that platform with decent RAM like the Have Glass V coating that f16s now get, this pod, and the new stealth external fuel tanks you could even push the FA18 into missions that would normally only be for stealth aircraft.
@@PrograError Well the Have Glass V coating is just a paint job but to my understanding it is just on f16s so far. It is hard to find much info on it though.
Alex, all those electronic warfare technologies can be and are used by non stealth aircraft. I think stealth is still defined by the shape of an aircraft, and the application of radar absorbent material.
Do a dig on the ASQ-239 EW and give it it's own video. BAE probably has whitepapers around the DRFM tech The f35 integrates it with interoperability to target SAM and array sites
The Beginnings of "Active Stealth". Being Stealth that you actually do something confound and defeat enemy detection technologies instead exploiting the physics of the technology. The difference between armor, being Passive Defense, and countermeasures, being Active Defense.
I would like to think that we (US) are in the testing phase of systems beyond our conception. Something very big is on the way and and the means of countering it should be researched.
