THE MASSEY OVERHEATS! HEDGE TRIMMING GETS INTERESTING 

Hi all, we have an issue with our mic in the last section of this video. Only those listening with ear phones will spot the sound is only in the left channel. Sorry about that, tried for ages last night to fix it but couldn't figure it out. Rode wireless Go2 connected to GoPro 10 through the media mod issue. If there's anyone who could help us solve this issue please forward on your thoughts. Hope you enjoy the video regardless. Happy Halloween to you all Be sure to check out “Eweknit” if you have a spare minute 👍🇮🇪

Adrian Morris looks more than just a farmer 👨‍🌾. To me he looks like a sign of pure banter and craic and he also appears like the age of an average veteran GAA club player. He’s also a good friendly fun man.

I’m not even a farmer but I find your channel very interesting great to see Irish farmers on RU-vid keep up the great work both on a farm and RU-vid 🙌🏻

Hi Adrian, careful running a return through the fill cap. It aerates the oil and makes it ‘foamy’. This can shorten the life of your oil and the hydraulic pump on the tractor. A return line should ideally enter below the oil level to avoid this. I had a similar problem with a timber crane on an old international and took the time to plumb in a drain into the bottom of the axle. The cap is fine for short spells like a log splitter but if your using 6 longer term like a timber crane or a hedge cutter particularly at raised revs it’s worth plumbing properly.

Adrian I think to get around the oil heating problem you would need to make the spool on the hedge cutter closed centre and run it off the load sensing ports, most older tractors from the hedge cutters era would be open centre.

Adrain, I worked with Industrial Hydraulics for years. Heat is created when oil flows with a pressure drop across a restriction. If there is high oil flow but no pressure, then no heat is created. Likewise, when there is high pressure and no flow, there is no heat created. Heat is created from a combination of the flow and pressure drop. Both are required. In older tractors, the hydraulic pump is always running when the engine is on. All the spool valves are open center, meaning that the oil just flows tru them freely when not used. In newer tractors with load sensing, the load sensing pump increases flow in response to a drop in pressure. it does this via a swash plate that changes angle allowing the pistons to pump more. These type of pumps require closed center hydraulic valves. Otherwise they are continously pumping. Something they should not do. Heat is also generated if there is any leak from high pressure to low pressure internally, like internally in the pump. Can also happen if hydraulic motors like in your hedge cutter head, leak internally. An oil cooler will help your problem but it is better to find out why it is heating in the first place.

The RU-vid channel that Adrian referred to with Carl the Sligo sheep farmer is called "Eweknit".

Had a similar problem when using the hedge cutter and we had great success in curing it just by making a simple patch pipe and simply use one spoil valve on the tractor as a pressure relief simply by connecting a patch pipe into the out and in on the spoil valve and put the spoil valve to pump and away you go , cheap simple cure, well it worked for us 👍👍

I hope you get the overheating problem sorted. I have been watching Karol’s channel. He is a clever and engaging young farmer. 👍👍😁

Great video Adrian.....I admire how lovely and clean your farm and machinery is kept..it is a credit to you and your family!!

Comment for the algorithm to make help RU-vid think Adrian has 100 billion subscribers 👍👍👍😁😁😁.

It is very complicated, it is a good job that you understand it.👋👋😃

Interesting video Adrian, nice to see Hudson and Bailey out keeping eyes on you 😀 thinking one way to check air flow through front tractor grill, Revs up about 1600 and have some dry grass, see if tractor will vacuum it to the plastic cover from your hand or by throwing it up in front, obviously grass should stick to the cover, as for rain we’re having a lot here in uk. Would be a good video of you, Farmer P, Tom and Ginger, Funky Farmer and definitely not forgetting Farmer Phil and dad! 🤪🍻

Adrian You're correct about Karol, He's a grafter as are all the Devaney family. His sister Joanne also has a RU-vid channel "Joanne The Shearer" but She hasn't posted recently. Also correct about North Sligo, it's a beautiful part of the country...😎😎😎

Brilliant detailed video adrian hope you get that problem sorted very lucky you havent done too much damage to the tractor fair play for plugging a new you tuber well done

Thanks a million for the shout out Adrian! Great video as usual. 🔥🔥

Well Adrian, l used to operate a hedge cutter for nearly 3 years, A mc connoll 5455 , Lovely to work motion control, but any hedge cutter will heat up the back end of a tractor because of the weight l think, some newer hedge cutters have a fan to cool the oil , hope u get the problem solved, chat soon 👍, kieran from Laghey donegal town.

A few things that stand out. Your bonnet cover is retaining heat, affecting cooling capacity. Your previous tractor end return fitting is male which is against the flow of oil causing restriction. Dumping the oil into the filler cap causes the oil to froth introducing air into the oil which will destroy your pump. It needs to return through the return line which enters below the level of oil stopping it from frothing. You need to run tractor in 540e or 1000 to bring down the revs and pressure. I believe all of above are contributing to the issue along with your oil is burnt and needs changing preferably using 46 oil and not universal. After all that the closed circuit open circuit system is not ideal.

Overseas viewers may not be aware that the cutting, grubbing, burning or other destruction of “vegetation growing in any hedge or ditch” between 1st March and 31st August is prohibited in Ireland. In Ireland, relatively low cover of native woodland makes hedgerows exceptionally important for biodiversity. Hedgerows provide botanical diversity as well as food and shelter for animals, most notably birds. They also act as corridors connecting habitats. Untrimmed, thorny hedges are favoured by birds, but birds may nest in any hedge.

If you plan on keeping the cutter long term I'd looking into adding a 2nd pump to the cutter, better job to not use the tractor pump at all.

Now you don't have a high return flow but if you did you need a longer pipe into the tank. The return oil must be filled below the oil level to avoid foam formation. Know from own experience when the tractor vomit over the rear axle

Fit bigger cupplings to return line and shut oil flow on spool .our hedge cutter runs on only 12 percent of oil flow on electric spools on case maxxum 145 and oil runs cool .

Could be the cover protecting the bonnet is restricting the air to the cooler up front . Worth a check I think

Adrian. The valve chest on the hedge cutter hardly has a load sense port? Could be plugged marked with an X on the side of the valve chest. That would let you use the load sense in the tractor to run the boom instead of using a spool in constant pumping. Running the return directly into the back end also means you are bypassing the return filter for the back end. Adding the additional oil cooler will def help make sure to add a small check valve in a T with a bypass pipe on the inlet of the cooler so cold oil isn’t being pumped through the cooler runs the risk of busting the cooler. Love the videos.

Thanks so much for working on swinging the camera, its much ether this time.

Nice one Adrian, just remember, there's always a bell hook and chain saw if everything else fails!

Hello from Saskatchewan, Canada great videos thanks for sharing 🎉

I do a bit of trimming under the wires in mid summer to save leaving it all to the back end if it gets wet 👌🏻

A little tip that might help is with your new 3/4” male and female coupling take the insides out of them so the oil runs straight through. We had to do it for the one pass drill.

There is always something when your Farming never a dull moment, Lots of Mr angry moments but never dull, if you really want to fix the hedger fault take it and should it to a hydraulic company another oil cooler seldom cures the fault might help a little but will not cure it, hydraulic guys will know what to do some one who sorts cranes that type of company, a tandem pump is a sound fix and don't use the tractor pump but that might no work for you as the drive shaft connector would need to be able to with stand the extra torque on it, not an easy one if you don't have much hedge cutting to do, great video as usual Adrian looking forward to seeing the bungalow, good luck

Good video hope ya get that sorted soon 👍

I like what u did . U went directly into the backend off tractor . I think Iff u only put the hedge cutter on a few times a year . Forget about the quick release fitting . Manual hook up . The oil will get back way faster

Impressive logical thinking around the mechanical problems. What were you doing with the tractor windows before you started? Something to do with preventing vibration?

Just an idea Is your valve block on you hege cutter an LS type and If the pump is LS controled And it doesn't get the right LS signal it could be causing your pump to stay in a higher flow And that were the case by trying to restrict the flow by the flow control valve could be causing the excess oil to be blown of through a pump relief vale at a high pressure Causing the oil to over heat A pressure clock before the flow control valve And another one after the quick fit on the pressure pipe would show if there is a differential pressure

Hi Adrian, great video as usual. The oil heating problem sounds like you have closed centre hydraulics on the tractor and open centre valve block. I had same problem with a John Deere 3040 one time. The oil would cook in no time.

My previous comment was deleted for some reason but look at page 11 of the PA 93 operators manual, it tells you how to work the PA 93 with the closed center hydraulics conversion kit. I run my semi independent cutter in 1000 speed shaft on open center hydraulics and dont let the pto revs exceed 400 rpm as stated in the manual, saves diesel and cuts down the amount of oil pumped around by the tractor to operate the arm and head, being doing it like this for years and tractor can still climb hills like the side of a mountain.

Regarding the inability to keep the oil temp on show all the I'd say you'd be looking down the performance & modification route and have an independent gauge installed just for that purpose

We did our fast return like that but used a bigger fitting for return we used a flat face fitting a inch one and never had any problems and boom was way smoother and bit quicker

You should try n high flow coupler, those pin couplers have alot of restriction the small high flow coupler has more flow capabilities than a 3/4 inch pin coupler. We have changed all our returns to the high flow, they are expensive but make a big difference. Keep in the good work loving the content

Another great video Adrian nice job on the hedge cutting hope you get it fixed Adrian 👍👍👍

We had problems with oil flow on a Wrapper. We removed the quick release valve and plumbed the pipe into the fill port like you did. Problem solved.

Not up on these modern tractors but i know on 600 and 3000 series etc you could get 'motor spool valves' to run motors and systems like the hedgecutter, we have always put oil returns back to rear end through filler points and non restricted fittings and never had any oil heating problems using spools open all the time

Hi Adrian,,great video as always,,just want to say do urself a favour and if you can change your trimmer for a fully independent trimmer,,I had the same trouble and no matter what I'd did it was heating some where along the line,,in my opinion your tractor is to valuable and you could run into bother,,fully independent is the way to go👍👍thanks Adrian keep up the good work

Always find trimming and milking works well milking keeps the neck from aching. Plus it’s a good chance to have a day on the 3095 Massey we’ve got!

don't worry bout the sound ye just sound more like finnegans farm quite honestly, just think when putting on the bonet cover at least ye not got a drop nose massey! Great content lately learnt so much, cheers

Good work on the oil fix. Thank you for sharing.🚜

Hi Adrian i had that problem with my McConnell pa 50 years ago. Like yourself I improved the oil return and still not much better. So anyway the problem was with all the heat it built up it caused a internal crack in the hedge cutter valve chest. Couldn't see anything wrong with it but took a chance and fitted a new one , kept the oil flow turned down low and it's been fine ever since.

I have been watching eweknit for the last few weeks very interesting videos. You’ll get into a few sheep yet. Pet lambs are always looking for new homes😂

You'll have to run the oil through a bolt on radiator matrix with electric fan, Simples!

Oooo it's so exciting to see a farmer with a grease gun who actually uses it!! 😉😂

my old boss had a 590 turbo to cut hedges . had one pavt wheel to balance out the weight ..

Did you do the most basic check which is to see if there is enough oil in the back end of the tractor if it's low then it's going to warm up the oil that is in there.

Hi Adrian. Our PA35 is totally independent and doesn't use any of the tractors oil supply . Probably not your first choice but maybe you could swap yours for a different model.

Great video hope you get her sorted out Adrian

Great video. I have used Massey tractors on forage wagons which need a good supply of oil with no problem, on my tractor’s the rear end dipstick says max for everyday work and extra max for the forage wagons that are circulating oil all the time . Because a large volume of your oil is in the tractor check tractor manual. I would also check with McConnell about using the machine with a tractor with closed circuit hydraulics , adjustments have to made on the forage wagons for this , the hedge cutter could be the same.

Hi Adrian Best channel on RU-vid by far. We have an older PA35E electric control fully independent and believe me it's so much smoother and easier to operate. Could you purchase an electric manifold and fit it?

hi try knocking the probe out and the centre for the return to tank so everything is straight through did this on destoner

Cracking video Adrian, I have a Renault thats getting warm in the back end only with the hedge trimmer no problem with the post knocker or the digger and cannot find out what's causing it, have changed the flow and return pipes so will see how that goes tomorrow, thought I had a problem with my earphones even changed earphones😄

Well Adrian u should take off the roller for doing the hedge is self u get a better finish

Just a few things I have learnt over the years hopefully it will help. Your pump in the tractor can pump a variable rate of oil but unfortunately not unless you use a load sensing spool block on the cutter. In its current set up at the moment as soon as you pull the spool the pump goes full flow and the restrictors on the tractor do more harm than good. They are only meant to slow the flow down to operate delicate hydraulics like a fertilizer sower opening ever now and again not to have a continuous flow through them. If you want to keep the cutter and save you tractor your only options are too fit a closed center load sensing spool block till the cutter or buy a set of tandem pumps from Whitehouse hydraulic products and plumb them up. It will probably cost around €700 or €800 for either option but money we'll spent if it saves the tractor and I think you could get either one plumbed up and sorted ok. Fitting an oil cooler on the cutter won't work unless your planning till run the tractors oil through it instead of the cutters. Abit of a long comment but hope it helps.

Pity the Massey is heating up. I dunno why they don’t put 3/4 return points in as standard. My 1988 mb trac has one as standard 🤷‍♂ plus a separate hydraulic tank and pump so if it doesn’t go pear shaped it’s not too bad. Hope you get it fixed 👍

Do away with quick couplers on return pipe that you put on and screw in so just open pipe straight in, those fitting hold oil back. Cheep and worth a try, I know not as easy to fit on and off but if it works you could put much larger fittings on.

Great video 👍

Great video Adrian 👌

There should be a Allen key bung in the chest valve on the hedge cutter if so take screw it out and see if there’s a wee restrictor in there(mine was already out) but take it out if it’s still in it seemed to cure that problem for me

make sure you are using a good quality oil. hv46 would be a good one to help the temp town. id stick in a bigger valve to ease flow ,and did ya replace any pipes around the trimmer motors at any point, might be the wrong size. free flow the return back to the box without the push in and youll be amazed at the difference. but that oil is cooked and needs changing.i also tend to add additional oil . check oil level when the revelant devices are extended and working.no need for oil cooler

Great job again

Adrian I have a pa93 very similar with fully independent hydraulic run from the hedge cutter can run 14 hour days no problem running a 1.2m head its a 2006 machine. It has an extra port that distributes the oil from the bigger pipes that run the head and sends ot to your valve chest on the hedge cutter. It looks a simple fix if you have the right part. I'll send you a photo via email tomorrow. Hugh

The overheating could be the cover over the engine no air get in to cool the temperature in engine some people just get one side of the engine cover to let Air in

Adrian do you use anything to protect rims and mudguards, after I repainted my 3680 I ceramic coated left rim and mudguard before he’s cutting season and they still look brand new 4 years on

Thank you for the video. Fascinating! What is the purpose of the bonnet cover? Protect the paint when cutting hedges? My dad farms in a cold climate and I've never seen these used (but we don't have hedges).

Would it be possible to add a pump to the hedge cutter and bypass the pump on the tractor? The addition of the oil cooler would defo help. Great stuff as usual Adrian.

Great video thanks.

oil cooler is fitted to hedge cutters to keep the hydraulic oil cool, wont solve your problem, you have idependent supply from tractor to operate arm rams, the arms not supplied by hydraulic tank on machine, i think it could be problem with transmission of tractor, could be restricted transmission filter maybe, but if two pipes were changed at back of tractor before you got it, to me that send a red flag, why were they, i have operated hedge cutters for yrs, and you def have tractor problem,, had you any problem with previous tractor, try it on the second tractor and see if it does it

Hi Adrian, we have a john deere and have to do the same thing with the return straight into the filter cap, solved or problem first time

Adrian, great content. We never heard the results from your friend with the flow meter. Was he able to determine if you flow control is working? I think the key to solving this problem is making sure you have just enough oil flowing through that valve and not having full flow which certainly would create restriction through that half inch port. Benjamin Coombes is correct about changing to the load-sensing circuit also.

Ideally you want to swap the fittings and leave the male on the tractor and female on the hedger. Then when you plug the hedger out the male on the tractor won’t fill with crap like the female otherwise would. Doesn’t matter the fittings are the wrong way as only you will use the hedger.

Cracking video as always Adrian. Keep up the good work

Another great video Adrian... Could you post the name of the other farmer Unit County Sligo, can't find it.

Hi I've tried looking for unit county Sligo but I can't find any videos at all. Another great video though

Adrian, can you go get one of the kids to run out and get the model and make of chainsaw you used when clearing cottage. I cut a lot around the farm and when watching you I realised I'm killing myself. That saw you have looks lovely, and perfect size and weight to the job you were doing. Id be interested to compare with what I have. Thanks a mill, long time viewers in this household, started a few yrs ago thanks to a 7yr old, who's 9 next week.

I have learnt a lot from Cammy, namely don't keep sheep. 😂

Hi Adrian Where did you get the covers for your windows for the Tracotr

There is a closed centre conversion valve for the PA93. Its was originally sold as a john deere valve for thw 50 series deeres from the same era. I had to fit one to mine when i bought it. That will solve your problem. Got mine from Delaney's of Ballaghmore. Drop me a note if you want more information

An oil cooler with a temperature gauge visible from the cab would give good peace of mind.

Is there a good extraction with the cover? A very common mistake I see being made in motorsports is adding loads of vents to feed a cooler but not much extraction. I’d argue extraction is more important that inflow. You should see British touring cars, they draw all their cooling from a single letterbox sized inlet because they have excellent extraction. It popped into my head when I first saw that cover that it had a decent area to draw in but may slow the flow out.

Adrian, off topic question. What’s the brand of work trousers that you use?

They say, whoever they are, that it's best to let the hedge grow up for sequestration. Back to the neat and tidy look, I suppose it's what's comfortable for each landowner. Conversely it seems if you have any large trees/bushes near a road, you're hounded to cut them.

Greetings from America's dairyland. Wisconsin! Love your videos! But... at 20:05, what are wins? Whins? Gr gr gr grandfather farmed in Timahoe area. ❤️🐄

Adrian, Ring Dessie in IFM he will give you the proper plug for the spools on trimmer , The oil should only be flowing when you pull the spool leaver it should nt be flowing constantly causing the oil to heat, same happened me with trimmer and wrapper the right plug sorted it and never a problem since

Great video

One of ur problems is coming from ur free flow return and load sense pipes being piped wrong. Ls is should have the size ur t fitting is now and the t should be 3/4 inch atleast the way ur free flow return is now it will cause ur oil to foam up and burn out the hydraulic pump

Be careful putting them bonnet guards on a wet bonnet I was told it can make the paint go funny

There is a Alan head cap on the valve chest on the trimmer! There is 2 types of plugs, 1 for open center and 1 for closed centre! The only difference between them is 1 is longer than the other. The closed loop plug is longer with a o ring on the tip of it and the long tip closes the free return to the tractor making the chest closed loop! With that changed you can now use it the load sensing on your tractor! The chest on that machine is a walvoil sd 5 I'm nearly sure! Nelson hydraulics should be able to supply you with the plug! That chest can only tale a maximum of 45 lpm! Also there is fixed orfice valves on the nipples screwed into the chest that the pipes are attached to going to the rams! The idea of these is to restrict the oil going to the rams however it causes the pressure to increase way beyond the need to do the work which also causes oil to heat! But saying that the unless u are working very long hours it shouldn't be a problem! I do fit a pressure compensated adjustable flow control valve on the feed going to the chest on the trimmer in some cases and remove the orfice valves! Works well!

Don’t return oil in the backend of the tractor that way air will mix with oil not good for the tractor

You might not like what I have to say but if you change your hedge cutter to PTO driven that will solve all your problems I think

Fair play Adrian jez your very careful and tasty👍

Hi Adrian. Just wondering about your hydraulic problem. Your tractor has a load sense system and your hedge cutter doesn't. I heard of a kit you can put on to over ride that problem, as your hydraulic system is in maximum flow the whole time, when it should be idle flow until a stool is engaged. Best chatting to the Massey dealer or hydraulic shop about that, as I'm only thinking out loud.

If I remember rightly farmer and father Phil fitted an oil cooler on their wheel loader that was just a bolt on add on jobby @farmerphil ??

Great video but please don't use the filler as a return never...... plum it to the tank line abs set the flow.