@@servus_incognitus yeah, people have some Mandela Effect going on with that movie. Or they pretend there wasn't a joke where, while in the cage, Korg observes that Miek have taken a shit on the floor.
@@theamazingspooderman2697Gorr himself was dumb as fuck but that storyline in the comics was really cool three Thors as opposed to some fucking cosplayers
The Russo brothers have lost my respect after they butchered Hulk and Thor, they're both hacks in my view and they don't deserve all the praise they get.
As mid as the first Thor movie is, I have to say this: revisiting it and seeing how sincere and earnest that movie is, after all the snark and cynicism of current-day MCU, is refreshing. That movie and Cap 1 are so wholesome and pure when it comes to respecting the characters and not shying away from sadder scenes, they don't try to cut every bad moment with a joke. You genuinely feel bad for Thor when he realizes he isn't worthy to lift Mjolnir and Loki tells him his father is dead and he is banished. Hemsworth shined in that scene.
I think those movies came out at an honestly bad time. During the late 2000s and early 10s, people were tired of action movies, unless they were really something special. Especially since movies back then had this thing where everything was kept in the dark to hide CGI. Just led to a, meh, experience at the time. It wasn't until the first avengers came out where there was a giant shift in interest where everyone wanted to see what was next. Most people talk about how the MCU was carefully planned, but, people tend to forget the slower parts where things were less than spectacular. Now the MCU isn't planned at all, and, is going down like a bullet train with near faster than light speed.
Hemsworth was actually acting in that movie. Just compare a scene of when Loki lies to him about Odin's death to a scene in Ragnajoke where he actually sees Odin die. One has actual emotion behind it, the other has him look into nothing with a pokerface.
Terrible shame what the MCU has done with Thor and Loki, Loki season 2 looks like complete garbage just like s1, what a missed opportunity when compared to Loki in the comics
@@webbedshadow2601they should’ve just left Loki dead after endgame, giving him a whole show cheapens his death, even if it’s from another universe, they could’ve just pitched a Kang series and it could’ve served the same purpose as the show does.
@@rustyshackelford4224Drax in the comics is an actual beast created specifically to kill Thanos and is Uber powerful. He's not watered down to mere comic relief with just above average durability and strength who is otherwise useless.
Drax is literally a joke in the movies, he has zero fighting ability and only exists there to make jokes. I still find them funny, but i do wish his character had more serious moments and was stronger.
Mandarin in the comics= It stands For "Emperor" In chinese🔥 MANDARIN IN ARMORED ADVENTURES=Makluan called him Emperor, He called himself The Mandarin🔥 _MCU Mandarin=_ 🍊They gave me the name of a fruit, America was terrified of an Orange 🤡
The "modern" comics are making characters like Thor gay for inclusivity purposes. Thor is probably going to get that modern change since half the characters get that chanhe im comics 2023
@@ArcTrooperRod-269chances are a film based on comics would be based on modern comics with all the "gender" and progressive inclusivity mandates 2023 Marvel comics have. Just so you know. While its true that a modern marvel comic book issue may not sell more than 2,000 copies indivdually, they still embody modern marvel's agenda. Do you want that? Even Spider-man 2(videogame) had certain mandates
Not to mention the fact that Loki is supposed to be a big bad threat in the first Avengers movies and not giving him his powers kinda takes away from that a little
Loki was a joke in Avangers. 2 or 3 avangers of 5 could beat him 1v1. Thor already won against him once. Hulk vs Loki was liturally played as a joke. He was there to open the portal to the alien robot army for Thanos. He could had been at the level of Nightcrawler and the story would be the same
istg Joss Whedon really just does not like giving his main villains actual fight scenes with the heroes. It happened in Avengers, it happened in Age of Ultron, and it happened in his Justice League movie. Instead of the heroes teaming up to defeat the villain, you instead get compilations of the heroes fighting the boring henchmen while the villain just disappears.
CB Thor is Aragorn levels of wise, loyal and honorable. I cannot stress this enough how it pissess me off how the MCU took Marvel's own version of Aragorn, an epic honorable hero with pure heart, took away his great romance with Sif, his companionship with the likes of Warriors Three and Balder, in favor of sh1tty gags that character assasinate your titular hero more than they bring out the laughs, on top of also including random characters taking over screentime that could've been used better (Korg, Darcy, Darcy's intern, etc.). Like those silly jokes he makes toward Hulk and Banner in Thor 3 when trying to get them on his side. CB Thor is sincerity and truthfulness personified. Lying to your comrades - what can't be more unworthy to do? And don't get me started on what the frauds at the MCU did with Warriors Three and Sif in Thor 3, completely disregarding their comradery, and then not even bothering having Thor reflect on what has happened to them. And yeah, I'm one of those oddballs who loves how Marvel Comics's Norse Gods speak, with all those fancy out-of-date English words that nobody uses anymore. It makes them actually feel larger-than-life and epic. Thor yelling ''Have at thee!'' when swinging his hammer at some uber-duper powerful villain is way more epic and compelling than him outering generic action hero lines any other character could say. The MCU wasted the potential for creating their own Lord of the Rings despite having the perfect source material for it.
Only having seen "thor" from the movies, seeing this character become utterly pathetic, I feel like I never got to know the real thor. He used to be my favorite character. An actual hero who's wise and uses shapespearian English? Sounds like I would fall in love with again.
It wasn't just that, Marvel Studios didn't want to incur the wrath of religious conservatives and become the target of boycotts like the Harry Potter films. So they didn't recognize the existence of literal gods or actual magic back in Phases 1-2. Asgard and all the realms of Norse mythology were explained as simply other planets, which could be reached by spaceships instead of other dimensions only accessible though mystical means. In the MCU Asgardians, Jotuns, Dwarves etc are just long-lived races with 5000 year lifespans. They are powerful extraterrestials who were worshipped by less advanced races as gods. They didn't freely refer to themselves as gods (which was a retcon) until Thor: Ragnarok. Very different from the comics.
@@neospock5034well, to be honest, referring to humans who worship extraterrestrials as lesser beings should already sound kinda insulting to religious types. Not that it would be something they haven’t experienced considering that’s what they had felt like from their irreligious counterparts. The part about being seen as lesser, not the extraterrestrial part. But that’s just my opinion based on my experience being around a lot of these people. Also, knew a lot of religious conservative types who likes MCU, even after it seems to be more “woke”. MCU films were released in a bunch of religious conservative countries since Iron Man 1 and received similar enthusiasm. Maybe just my opinion, but on the MCU Villain Problem video, he explained how the director butchered the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 because they thought the Fu Manchu-esque villain would be racist, even though the implications of how Mandarin was treated in Iron Man 3 was worse. Essentially, overthinking about insulting someone when their solution is only worse. Could it be that this is the same case but with religious conservatives and the result is them demystifying the Asgardian storylines for little to no reason?
@@alexanderchristopher6237 I agree that making the in-universe origin of Norse mythology a case of mistaken identity was probably more insulting to real-world followers of that religion. But for everyone else it worked. It also gave Marvel Studos flexibility to make the Asgardian population more diverse than the human tribes who created a religion around them. I understand why they went with the alien take. The MCU was an experiment that hadn't been attempted before. There was no guarantee it would be a hit, and Marvel Studios was worried about possible backlash. It turns out those fears were probably overblown, but at the time they wanted to avoid magic and gods. Even Wanda Maximoff was just a telekinetic and telepath due to experiments with an alien artifact- no acknowledgement of her abilities being magical or her being a witch until after Endgame. Yeah the Mandarin was a lose-lose situation where they somehow made the worst possible choice. I was hoping that they'd simply go with the updated comic book depiction where the Mandarian was still Chinese, still had 10 unique alien power rings on his fingers, but looked like a 21st century businessman. At least All Hail the King and Shang-Chi salvaged him after the fact.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 i think they overthought the Ancient One as well, trying so hard to avoid the "elderly asian master" stereotype, deciding to make her female but wishing to avoid the "sexy asian female" stereotype etc. Fortunately Tilda Swinton crushed the role. However, the MCU didn't come up with the alien-rather-than-mystical take on Asgardians out of thin air. Marvel Studios just ran with what was first presented in Thor #493, back in 1995. I agree that a more mystical, fantastic approach would have made for better storytelling and world building. Either that or fully embrace the Ultimate universe storyline where nobody knows for sure. But for the more realistic, toned-down movie universe they were trying to build, powerful aliens worked.
I think the "we are not gods" line was meant to take a stab at religion. He was basically saying that there is no such thing as God. Showing Oden and Thor as being flawed and vulnerable was a way of making people question their own faith in God. The entire MCU, X Men and other hero films are anti-religion.
@@rustyshackelford4224 Zeus isnt a comic embarrassment like Crowe portrayed him.Hercules is equal to THOR in some ways.A very serious character not a throwaway buffoon.
I was always thinking that each character’s solo films should have different genres than others. And i hated that Ragnarock decided to copy Guardians Iron Man should be tech sci-fi Hulk should be thriller horror monster Thor should be Shakespearian space fantasy Captain america should be action spy thrillers (something to that extent) Guardians should be space adventure
Hulk is, imo, the most wasted Avenger in this sense. He didn't even get a standalone movie or show, while BLACK WIDOW got a movie (albeit super late) and Hawkeye got an entire show. If they did his movie, I feel like it'd be cool! I like the actor who plays Bruce/Hulk and I think an origin movie for HIM would have been fine. Maybe they could have improved on the Hulk movie right before the MCU was made. The action was great in that film, but the story was kinda lacking. Idk. Hulk is one of the coolest Avengers to see interact with the Marvel universe, he can be a God, a zombie, can rule a planet, sometimes fuses with Banner, fights other heroes pretty frequently... I mean he's AWESOME! So of course the MCU would shove him aside unless they need him for the plot.. 😢
@@ilikebeanies3499Hulk had a standalone movie, it just wasn't very good and it was done by Universal, so a lot of elements from it never got revisited besides Abomination.
Age of ultron: they should’ve made ultron way more dangerous and serious, stop with this whole taking over the world; ultron could’ve simply tried becoming vision to simply destroy the avengers because he sees them as inviting danger instead of preventing it. He could’ve had a goal that would make sense by taking over human technology to protect the world from any alien invasion but at the same time that goes against people’s freedom. And finally someone more important then the speed guy could’ve died making ultron way more dangerous.
@@anubusx ultron gave head to Tony. The comic ultron was not just a bad ass. He was thanos bad ass in the comics. They made him a piece of garbage sitcom enemy worse than Loki
Now i see why the fans loved so much the animated series of The Avengers: Earth's Mithiest Heroes. By the respect and fidelity of the Marvel comics's essence being transported to the small screen, taking for a example the great caracterization of Thor The Thunder God.
The Thor films have gotten progressively worse. 60+ years of Thor comics showing him as brave and noble - and then Waititi turns him into a bumbling clown. It's disgusting.
@@rustyshackelford4224 thor was the most popular after spider , ironman , cap wayyy before mcu started . so yeah "thor wouldnt be as popular" is super inaccurate
@@rustyshackelford4224He is great actor for Thor. Not his fault if they give him a bad script to work with. Any other actor for Thor would also be there only for their looks because the bad writing wouldn't let them act to their full potential.
It's tough to imagine what to do with Thor in AOU because the entire movie seemingly needs to be rewritten to accommodate any changes to him. Off the top of my head though and if you continue from Dark World, when Odin(Loki) allowed him to live on Earth instead of becoming King, he could possibly start the movie having fostered a stronger connection to the people of Earth and Jane, setting up a home in Norway where Asgard eventually moves as well. But maybe he feels guilty over abandoning the throne when he knows of all the good he could do as King saving galaxies instead of putting out fires on one sole planet. So the movie can be about him accepting the responsibility of a God, which he is, and saying bye to Jane as he heads back to Asgard which leads into Thor Ragnarok. This would help re-emphasize his importance in the MCU as a Godlike figure meant to lord over an entire realm of existence and it's kind of a big deal whenever he's in the room. It is strange though that in three straight Avengers movies their are segments where he deliberately chooses to remove himself from the main plot (moping in a field, off on a vision quest, crafting a new weapon) just to swoop in from out of nowhere in the third act to surprisingly remind us that he's in the movie.
the killing of the warriors three is so disrespectful. With Sif only being spared because for some reason Marvel obviously wants to save a romance between her and Thor but each movie that whole thing continues to be delayed and Sif continues to be a wasted character in her own right.
Sif isn't in Ragnarok because the creators didn't bother contacting Jaimie Alexander until they were already filming, at which point she was already doing something else.
I feel like they missed a big opportunity in Endgame given the setup they provided, which they tossed aside in favour of a bad comedy bit. Which basically sums up the entire MCU. Given what they setup, with all his friends and family dying, the marketing for endgame emphasising him being moody and downtrodden, his failure to immediately kill Thanos leading him to be on a hair trigger in their next encounter. It felt like the setup for some sort of downward spiral. Maybe not as a villain, but definitely antagonistic, being overprotective of the remaining asgardians to the point of being paranoid and tyrannical. Even if i'm wrong, its hard to believe they intended him to be the big lebowski from the start of the process.
I can't find the video now, but I remember watching a youtuber's video on a rewrite of endgame. They suggested Thor build a huge wall around New Asgard and being a strong almost tyrannical rule. I like that idea and wish it made it to the movies. I also wish he were actually ruling Asgard. He literally took to the throne at the end of Ragnorok but then abandons it in endgame. He's the crown prince, he's supposed to want to rule.
Endgame felt like it was made by completely different people than Infinity War. Makes no sense given what his overall arc had set up. Him finally accepting his role as king of Asgard
@@6thgraderfriends he also just learned the importance of Asgard as a people and not just a place in Ragnorak, yet he hides from them and completely abandons them in Endgame. Left in charge some slaver that never regretted the things she did for the Grand master. She never earned that title. If you find the name of the RU-vidr please let know, I'd love to watch the video. I had a similar idea. He would become an overprotective king of Asgard. Married to Lady Sif. He has to learn how to work with the team once more, after being king those 5 years. He's the one that snaps and brings everyone back. Losing an arm in the process.
I always thought the first Thor should have been a "Tales of Asgard" type movie, as you basically said. Thor growing up in Asgard and adventuring the Nine Realms with Sif and the Warriors Three. This would allow us to still get the Thor origin and have a true fantasy series across the Nine Realms.
I never read majority of american comics so it's super fun for me to learn all those things about actual comic characters. In nearly every video like this original character seems much more interesting than movie one.
@gojifan4001 Mate, this is standard within the original source material translated to a Hollywood adaptation, _aways._ Including Disney movies, which is why literature community has always hated Disney...
If you haven't already I suggest you watch videos on Hulk or better yet read some comics. The best in my opinion is the Immortal Hulk comics they were some of the best and go into the psychology of Banner and the Hulks (in case you didn't know there are many Hulks) and the tragedy behind it.
There was intrigue when I first heard Kenneth Branagh was directing the first MCU Thor movie. For those that don't know, he was someone heavily involved with bringing Shakespeare to the movie screens in the late 80's and 90's. I was hoping to have some Shakespeare-influenced themes involved with interesting monologues and dialogues. Some of it bled through... some. I always thought there was interference from the bigwigs. I wonder what Branagh's original vision was.
I'll always say that the best version of Thor was in Infinity War. I wasn't the biggest fan of Ragnarok but at least that didn't feel nearly as insulting as what they did with Thor in Love and Thunder. That film was deplorable and felt like Taika Waititi was spitting in the face of the audience.
I like your content you aren't like other MCU creators who complain about the mcu but always in the same way. You add good value by talking about solutions or showing example of how the content can be better. Great work, I hope the insomniac verse can bring us a Marvel universe like the comics and not like the MCU where everything is the same and they look to be doing that with Wolverine on his way.
I don't want to hype up Insomniac too much but they really haven't disappointed me yet and I believe their Wolverine game is going to be absolutely awesome I can't wait to see what they do with him and honestly I would be more excited for their versions of the X-Men and Fantastic Four than seeing them in the MCU cause I already know how the MCU is going to butcher them and do a terrible job.
@@webbedshadow2601in my opinion "X-Men the animated series" is the only true depiction of the X-Men. Nothing else comes close. Especially live action. They are so bad at creating live action superhero movies of all types. The only one I've liked recently was "The Batman" it was at least made with creative passion & a well thought out vision. I'd like to see more like that or just bring back actual animation studios!
One of the problems is that they changed the character of Thor to fit Chris Hemsworth instead of having Chris do his job by acting and playing the character of Thor.
That litterally describes Almost all mcu characters, Since Iron Man to Moon Knight, they don't adapt the characters , they use them as a shallow vehicle for the Actor to be funny
You nailed every critique of MCU Thor I have. Great job. I appreciate that you compare the movies to the source material to see which one did what better too. I’d love to see videos going over each of the MCU’s interpretations of the main heroes, where you think they succeed, and where you think they could be improved. I’d be interested in seeing your opinion on MCU Hawkeye especially.
The source comics sell roughly 1,500 copies per issue,,and movies are made for general audiences. So that 2,000 people that buy the new comic issue every week falls outside the general audience demographic. As films need over 1 million general fans to succeed. So movies are not going to resemble comics. There is the cartoon thor where he is more like his comic book version. But even so, thats a cartoon that got 150,000 viewers per week at its peak. Not enough fans to fund a film. There is Batman the Animated Series that had over 20 million viewers per episode. That changed the movie and even comic atmosphere and it makes sense why
Like the other person pointed out, a channel that exclusively complains doesnt have much influence because there is no balance. But this is a dedicates, anti modern-media YT channel so....
@@KnucklesWTD-uu3psLast I checked, the newer comics are changing to resemble the movies more. Marvel is a business and they prefer what gets them money
@@KnucklesWTD-uu3psDude, I don't know where you got those numbers from. A comic that sells 1500 per issue isn't even worth publishing, it won't even pay for its production.
Skipping Dr. Donald Blake was the first step to making the mistake on how to treat this character. The second part was saying they are not gods. Third was being corny and silly in 3 and 4. It's too bad because the casting was actually really solid.
he was kinda Ultimate thor at the beginning in costume only. the MCU took some ideas and technologies from Ultimate comics but lost track in favor of bringing Thanos into the MCU.
The only thing they took from the Ultimate Universe was Thor being perceived as a crazy person, not having alter ego of Don Blake, and maybe the more femboyish look and personality for Loki, since by that point in 616 comics Loki was shown only as a hyper-masculine evil dude with a face of a bulldog while in the Ultimates he was more flamboyant and pretty.
@antona.1327 If you watch Browntables video about Lionsgate animated Ultimate Avengers films, there is a shocking amount of similarities of not only the Ultimates, but the two animated films. From Tony saying he wouldn’t make the sacrificial play, the Avengers fighting the Chitauri, the Avengers fighter alien invaders in Wakanda. It can’t be a coincidence to say that the MCU was at least inspired by the Ultimates through the animated film. I’m not saying that the MCU copied homework, but it definitely was inspired by the animated films given that the characters in them aren’t awful human beings.
7:35 Perhaps it's started out that way, but I've always known the Donald Blake character to be Thor who lost his memories as part of Odin's spell to teach him humility. The stick was secretly Mjolnir and striking it against the ground turned him into Thor. Once Thor learned humility the DB spell was no longer required, and was eventually passed on to Beta Ray Bill as a gift.
I said it before "In a time of Game of Thrones where Middle Ages themes are cool, gole is acceptable, sex and war are seen as part of the story " why not get the comic version of Thor instead of getting chris from Australia and giving him a custom. Hell ! they could have just gotten Jon Snow and give him thunder powers since that's what thor is , If you read the comics Thor is the chosen one to end the frost Jiants like Jon Snow was to end the others. if Vikings worked on a low budget why didn't Marvel thor
@@rustyshackelford4224, One Piece is the only series that does sympathetic villains correctly, and for some reason media in the West keeps hamfisting the audience into liking sympathetic villains that just aren’t well written at all, so I’d much rather see a power hungry power house like Galactus on the big screens eating his way across the multiverse than watching villains like the villains from Phase 4 and Phase 5.
Thank God, someone finally spoke about this issue. I can't believe people made Ragnarok a hit, when it had nothing to do with the actual Thor from Marvel comics. Sad, that MCU massacared the entire Asgard to continue their pardoy universe. I mean, come on!
I mean not that surprising..outside of the crossovers Thor wasn't that loved from what i remember. Anything was an improvement over the original Thor and Dark World. Love and Thunder just took things too far...
Why the mcu didn't used the original 616 thor story, having him after being banished to earth and lost his memory, becoming dr. Donald blake and after recoverrd his hammer he became thor again
If the Thor movies had been more like a cross between the Sandman show on Netflix and the Norwegian show Ragnarok, also on Netflix, they might have been a lot better, enjoyable and successful.
I’m glad this guy can say that the problems in the MCU have always been there. I’ve always thought the MCU was mid with only 2-3 great movies and other movies that could easily be skipped or summed up with a simple formula.
@@greedydabull8356 see, the problem is, you probably have a somewhat functioning and still adjusted brain. The average consoomer, that is, most modern people that are functionally just human cattle, does not.
I started getting bored of the MCU formula around the time the first Antman film came out. And apart from maybe 3 or 4 films, I've never considered the MCU all that great. I think Martin Scorsese was spot on when he called these films "theme park rides".
I wasn’t a complete idiot though. I was aware that the MCU had its problems, beginning with Iron Man 1, hell i remember the time I started seeing MCU rankings, they usually rank a majority of Phase 1 movies lower on the list, because of their problems. Personally though, even with the problems, Phase 1 is the only MCU Phase that had passion and heart in it. It felt more consistent than the other three phases. Phase 2 was sort of like a bridging off point, as that phase was struggling to keep Phase 1’s strategy while also trying to setup things like in Phase 3, while Phase 3 just wants to setup things instead of concluding them, and it gets matters worse with Phase 4.
You are the only RU-vidr that has a voice that perfectly matches their face. The expression in your profile pic looks exactly like I would imagine you look while watching our beloved stories, heroes, and villains be treated like a punchline.
i appreciate that you brought up other adaptations as to draw comparisons so you could point out what they did right to what the MCU did wrong, though i would like to see the sources of these adaptations in the video description so viewers can watch them and understand your points more.
I saw clips from Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, Thor vs Hulk animated movie, Ultimate Avengers animated film, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, and of course panels from the comics, though I couldn’t tell exactly what runs they’re from just based off a few brief images.
Read the Stan Lee and Jack Kirby Run of THOR. Its one of the best comic run's in marvels history! Some of the most influential aspects of the universe get created in that run. Also its the serious that gives us the Status quo for everything we've come to know about Thor. @@webbedshadow2601
It baffles me whenever people say Taika saved Thor and made Thor cool with Ragnarok which basically turned him into every quipping, wisecracking MCU hero with a Tony Stark-y personality.
Because prior to Ragnarok MCU Thor's movies weren't hugely successful and his character wasn't beloved by moviegoers like Iron Man and Captain America were. Ragnarok caused Thor's popularity with MCU audiences to skyrocket.
@@neospock5034 maybe that has more to do with the writing and the direction in those movies. The first thor movie was fine; people wanted more of the asgardian cosmic stuff and Brannaugh captured the Jack Kirby-ian essence of visual grandeur and characterisation really well. Thor and the first captain america movie had more or less the same level of reception. But in the meantime, after the first avengers, thor had two movie appearences-thor 2 and avengers 2-both of which had massive rewrites by Joss Whedon, who had openly admitted multiple times that he doesn't know how to write someone like Thor (or doesn't know how to write anything with sincerity without quipping for two seconds about it) and wrote him as a boring character; meanwhile Cap had the winter soldier through which he skyrocketed in terms of popularity.
@@neospock5034 Exactly, the comic nerds don't want to admit it but Ragnarok made Thor a fan favorite after two totally forgettable flops. It was all downhill after that but that is an mcu problem. Also, having Thor act like he did in the comics would make him *unintentionally* a joke rather than, at least in a few films, lovable, powerful and with some depth of character. The idea of him outshining everyone while they "stare in awe" as he makes corny speeches being a good idea for an Avengers movie is why most comic fans aren't making movies, it would be absurd.
@@Nikki_the_GYou talk as if the comic nerds loved the first two Thor movies. Those movies weren't comic accurate either, so those movies not doing that well is also an MCU problem. The comic nerds only prefer the first movie a little because Thor himself acted comparatively comic accurate there compared to the rest of his portrayals in the MCU. Thor in the comics acts like Marvel's version of Aragorn for the most part, and seeing how Aragorn didn't become an unintentional joke when the LOTR movies were made, I'd say a comic accurate Thor in the movies would be just fine too. In fact, there's already an adaptation of Thor which is one of his more comic accurate portrayals in the Avengers EMH show, and no one thinks of that version as an unintentional joke either. Thor has existed in the comics since the 60s, and has had several different types of portrayals there, and not all of them have the Shakespearen speech which the normies may consider corny. But almost all of those portrayals are far more likeable, powerful and have more character depth than the MCU could ever give him. Given the reception of the latest Thor movie, turns out making Thor sound like a dudebro with unfunny quips and jokes every few seconds wouldn't make him very lovable either and in turn made him gain more hate from the fans than the Marvel comics managed to get him during their 60+ years of writing Thor.
To be (somewhat) fair about the Planet Hulk thing, they couldn‘t have made a PH movie if they wanted, let alone any Hulk Movie. Because by time Disney bought Marvel, the first MCU movies were made by Paramount and they kept the Hulk-movie rights for almost 15 YEARS.
I've always been confused about the film rights thing with Hulk and Paramount cause I remember watching the Agents of SMASH cartoon on Disney XD and wondering why shows were fine but movies weren't but I guess I get it now but its still so stupid we cant have a MCU Hulk movie
Hot take: They made Thor fat and pathetic in Endgame just so that Captain America become more worthy, but of course, nobody cries about it because it’s about ruining one male legacy character to prop up another male legacy character so it’s acceptable, not ruining one male legacy character to prop up new “strong female character” which is a war crime.
That’s a dumb theory. He was fat and pathetic because he was depressed and mentally defeated, it was a character arc for him. He was a badass at the end of the film alongside Cap and Iron Man.
-The Incredible Hulk 2008 -Iron Man 1 -Thor 1 -Captain America 1 & 2 -Netflix’s Daredevil This is what we need to get back to. This is peak Marvel cinema😐.
>The entire Ragnarok-section of this video THANK YOU! I'm not even a comic book fan (not at all) but even I could vomit bile when I see people praise that shit-heap as one of the best Thor movies and a "great comedy" (yeah, the repeated Thor-is-a-sissy- and Penis-jokes are veritable knee-slappers if glue is your main source of fiber). Also refreshing to see someone point out how that movie assassinated an entire people - twice. As another fun fact I also love to point out how Marvel made the..."special" choice to cast the single Asgardian who's got the epithet "the White" by a black man, said black man actually pulls off the miracle of turning everyone around to his side because his portrayal as an Asgardian is *that* great....and then Taika comes along and goes "A black man without dreads? Don't be absurd!" The fact that Taika then got shit on for making essentially the same movie again, is so funny to me, I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't such an untalented, witless, self-absorbed twat. Lastly, I hope every clown who complained about Thor's way of talking in "Avengers" is happy about how they turned him into every snarky US-urbanite ever.... But yeah, another great vid and nice to vent by proxy. Keep it going.
12:16 💯% agree. That's the problem with superheroes now, no sense of morality. Just do whatever they want and say F you to the fans. As a catholic I agree with you.
There is part of good morals in all religion nothing wrong with taking that for example in one piece an anime It has all biblical Hinduism Buddhism Norse reference but not too on the nose
Yeah I thought it was always weird how these movies almost made it seem like only the nobility of Asgard were "the gods of something" and everyone else were just regular people. In the Wonder Woman movie, however flawed, all the Amazons are absolutely ripped. Every background character has capped shoulders and leg definition. I figured the Asgardians would be the same way, that they would all be ripped and super powerful. It's weird that they're not.
Also, it helps that Wonder Woman and Aquaman don't shy away from the pagan mythologies they're directly based off of, though there is controversy in the fanbase in regards to WW being retconned into being a daughter of Zeus.
I was watching Thor: love and Thunder with my sister, after around 25 minutes we looked at each other and said "This can't be the real movie, right?" that sensation is the best way to describe it IMO
WE NEED ONE LIKE THIS BUT ABOUT IRON MAN _Both Are Inmoral & Grey Characters_ But in the comics the bad stuff Tony makes is REPREHENDED & OPNELY STATED WRONG(that's why I adore him), While MCU praises & threats him like he's always correct(that's why I cannot stand him) OH, & 1 FOUGHT & DEFEAT THE MANDARIN WITH 10 RINGS, the other Not & couldn't even stand with his cheap copy
Huh? What. Did we watch the same movies? In every single dang movie, Tony is reprehanded at every turn for doing anything remotely nice and going outside of the mask he portrays for people (BECAUSE OF HIS DISTRUST AND TRAUMA).. Plus the fact that he has a savior complex because he feels inadequate for doing anything, he tries to one-up himself at every turn, causing self destructibe behavior which are the driving force for his character arc?? In which he literally sacrificed himself for the people that didn't care about him just because he cared for them so much??? WHAT?? DID "TONY STARK HAS A HEART" NOT MEAN. ANYTHING? Wait. Let me guess. You're team Cap? Ahhhh nvm I won't debate u on this one, *sigh*
I can't lie, a "Have at thee" Thor would have been wild. I just pictured Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings as you mentioned in the 2010s and 2020s having those interactions. They would have been funny all on their own instead of trying to go out of their way to make silly jokes that don't hit. The scene where Thor wakes up in the hospital in Thor 1 and attacks the staff. The lines he said like "How dare you attack the son of Odin" "Then Bring me a healing stone you savages" and "You are no match for the Mighty...." Just keeping his personality somewhat more true to his comic version is entertaining and funny. Not that Love and Thunder... Or heck even that Ragnarok. Just too overboard.
I absolutley HATE the sarcastic out of character quips that the MCU overuses on almost EVERYONE If they calmed down on those and, like you said, make the characters just be themselves I'd be a huge MCU fan instead of having incredibly mixed feelings (Im not even a Marvel comics person)
An insightful video that raises important points about the adaptation of comic book characters into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I couldn't help but think about how this critique extends to other characters, notably the Hulk. While the MCU's Hulk has been entertaining and well-received, he lacks the psychological depth and internal conflict that are central to his comic book persona. The MCU version often simplifies Bruce Banner's struggle with his alter ego, reducing it to mere moments of comic relief or plot devices. In contrast, Ang Lee's and Louis Leterrier's adaptations of the Hulk offer a more nuanced portrayal that aligns closely with the comics. These versions delve into the complexities of Bruce Banner's character, exploring themes of isolation, anger, and the duality of man and monster. They capture the essence of the Hulk from the comics, where he is not just a smashing machine but a tragic figure. It's fascinating to see how different creative visions influence the portrayal of iconic characters. While the MCU has undoubtedly brought these characters to a broader audience, there's a compelling argument to be made for staying true to the source material to offer a richer, more complex narrative.
Your comment deserves to be pinned. This is why the original source material is better than the adaptation, *especially a Hollywood adaptation,* most of the time.
@@nimic4109 Not really, Good VFX is not a Matter of Money, is a Matter of TIME & HARD WORK, Movies like Transformers 3 or Pacific Rim have less than half of budget of most MCU films post endgame & yet they look WAY superior
Your Dark World section is interesting. You left out that the director got hired partially due to his resume directing Game of Thrones, and the bts talk about wanting to bring more fantasy and viking aesthetic into the movie that you see in the 9 realms fighting vs not-Korg at the beginning and a lot of the interior shots. Personally TDW is my favorite from a visual standpoint. I don't really interpret Thor as fantasy or scifi, but simply fantastical. Like Asura's Wrath or The Lord of Light, the visuals are reminiscent of their historical context but made from unrecognizable materials and the forms dialed up to 11. Century old pulp scifi would be where I'd like them to pull from more. Princess of Mars and Frank Frazetta. Throw logic out the window and treat all the magic as technology that's just indistinguishable. Even 100 years ago someone would look at me on my phone and think I'm speaking into a rock or something. Esad Ribic and Walt Simonson really are my favorite depictions I wish they'd reference. I'll admit, I liked Thor Ragnarok and I hated how much I liked it because it went in an opposite direction of what I'd like to see but it still did a bunch of style I'd love to see elsewhere in the MCU. The bright colors, the kirby esque patterns, it was incredibly fun, and scenes that look like they could be painted on a van at a psychedelic 80s rock show. I just dont really want that in Thor or Planet Hulk. Not sure where I'd want that. Maybe Fantastic 4? I haven't seen Love & Thunder.
The only change I can see for age of Ultron is not killing quicksilver it’s shown that he can dodge bullets earlier, so why does he get killed by bullets at least let him sacrifice himself for his sister maybe it just felt so needless
This kind of thing is why I will always insist that animation is better for superhero movies than film. It takes so much money to make live action come close to showing things in the superhero realm correctly compared to their sources that it would be cheaper to animate it from scratch while looking much better if we did.
@@rustyshackelford4224it really wasn’t all that honestly what people claim it to be. The hype around it was Thanos coming that led up to infinity war which is why I think it’s the best film in the mcu
I think it was always evident that Kevin Feige just didn't know how to translate Thor into a four-quadrant, block-buster movie property despite being a Marvel super-fan who truly loved the source material. But the MCU as a whole was just so darn good that we all just sort of gave it a pass. I agree that it is a real shame, because comics Thor is one of my favorites. But I honestly never expected Marvel Studios to get every Avengers character right, so none of this is much of a surprise to me.
If you want a good on screen interpretation of Thor, just watch Avenger’s EMH. Not only did it pay tribute to and respect the character, but it added more personality to him. I’d say more, but it’s best you watch the show for yourself. That show did Marvel more justice than any of the Billion dollar BS given to us by Woke Disney.
I’m always happy win you upload man. I love your videos. I hope your channel blows up. I love MCU but it’s not perfect. It has major flaws that most fans overlook. So glad someone has finally called those flaws out. Keep up the good work!
23:12 Putting them side by side, i just realized they made Valkyrie look like Caiera in this movie, with the marking and hair...so they took a potential love interest for Hulk in the MCU to ruin a Thor character
She's not ruined, she's just a different character in a different universe. Just like Zendaya's MJ int he Spider-Man films isn't Mary Jane and Ned isn't Harry Osborn. Just like Thje Wasp in the Ultimate universe was Asian-American. Marvel Studios is free MCU to make Earth-199999 (The MCU's continuity) as different or similar to the comics as they wish. They aren't shooting for mainstream 616 accurate adaptations and never were. Nothing that transpires in the MCU has any bearing upon the comics.
@@neospock5034Take it you didn't see Doctor Fate 2 where they state that the MCU universe is suposed to be the 616 continuity...and yes she is ruined infact she ruins two characters...the MCU has the right to change things and make their own continuity but they choice to change things for the worse only to then, in a throw away line, in a movie anyone barely saw, say they are the 616 comic continuity
Many of the characters in the MCU are not the characters in Marvel, they merely share a name. As much as I like Jeremy Renner, MCU Hawkeye is not Hawkeye, neither is Black Widow, Antman, The Scarlet Witch, Vision, the majority of the villains and other characters as well. This isn't merely in origin, but fundamental character traits. Much of this is due to adapting stories from Marvel that had decades of set-up into movie time, whereas when you look at a lot of the MCU characters they really have no character at all. There is definitely a story there somewhere, but the writers couldn't be bothered to actually tell it. I've always said the actual character development moments in MCU films happen between movies. Movies start and all this stuff has happened in the interim that nobody bothered to show ( or that got left on the cutting room floor ).
That's just kind of how adaptations are. They are rarely accurate it's just directors giving their take on characters and changing things to fit their target audience.
As much as people hated Dark World I really liked the ending with Loki posing as Odin. Made up for a good deal of the misses in the film, to me at least.
@@neospock5034 Dark World just had a lot of meh moments, and the villains were pretty bland. But nothing felt forced, like current MCU 'humor'. Also, Dark World didn't have screaming goats or Russell Crowe in a tutu. Love and Thunder was just awful. Like horribly bad. Not to mention Bale was completely wasted.
@@jasonmaclean719 I agree The Dark World didn't have cringeworthy attempts at "forced funny" like jealous Stormbreaker, screaming goats (which went from zero to annoying in about 10 seconds) and Zeus flicking too hard. But ultimately the Dark World was boring, which is a greater cinematic crime. Even Malekith was dull and dry, complete devoid of the deviousness & wit that made the comic book character memorable. Just a forgettable adapation which was surprising because Eccleston is an excellent actor. But while Love & Thunder was a hot mess, it was never boring. And taken for what it was (a tale for children told by Korg) it mostly worked. It managed to be enjoyable in a so-bad-its-funny kind of way.
You hit the nail in the coffin, marvel films could have been great! Winter soldier had its own style compared to guardian yet belonged in the same universe Imagine if every movie kept its own style and identity and when an avengers film arrived it would feel monumentally different yet organic
The MCU isn't an onscreen depiction of the mainstream 616 comic book universe. It's an alternate reality (technically Earth 199999) where the characters and history are different, just like the Ultimate (1610) universe, Earth-12025, Earth-X etc. So it's not shocking or a mistake, it's just intentionally different. And it's no more of a problem when the MCU does it than when other alternate universes in the comics do it. Almost all MCU characters depart significantly from the comics, and that's fine because they weren't meant to be faithful depictions. It's just another "Elseworlds" experiment, and has been ever since Phase 1. MCU Iron Man never had a secret identity and was a snarky wisecracker but comic book Iron Man didn't have much of a sense of humor, and his identity was a secret even from his Avengers teammates for over 3 decades. MCU Spider-Man is a kid who grew up idolizing the Avengers instead of being one of the first heroes to appear. MCU Thor is only 1500 years old and MCU Asgardians have lifespans of roughly 5000 years. His personality is closer to 616 comic book Hercules than 616 comic book Thor, and that's just how things are in the movie universe. It doesn't affect comic book Thor at all.
It has always sad to see that the MCU did Thor and the Norse gods dirty in the movies and that many important characters were missing in the movies and worst in my eyes was always the miss interpretation of things in norse myth and removing many important thing that is connected to Thor and his character.
@@rustyshackelford4224For me the more I read about Norse Gods, the more I realize that every named God has a specialty and is a God of something. The MCU makes it seem like only the nobility in Asgard are Gods and everyone else are just regular people doing their own thing. There's Idunn Goddess of gardens, Sigyn Goddess of loyalty, Frigga Goddess of motherhood, Tyr God of war, Baldur God of light, etc. among many others that could have been explored.
7:30 you got that backward. In The Mighty Thor #159, Odin reveals to Thor that he was transformed into the damaged form of Doctor Donald Blake to teach him humility after breaking a truce with the Storm Giants of Niffelheim.
I don't have any rewrite suggestions for Age of Ultron, but I read that apparently the producers of the movie (not Kevin, I guess some others) really, REALLY wanted Thor to be shirtless in a pool, but test audiences and Joss hated that idea the most. That's probably why it seems so odd and out of place. Apparently most of the actors hated even being in that movie and if you think about it, none of their characters are given proper arcs so you can see why.
@@rustyshackelford4224The gist of a character arc can be summed up as *what did the character learn to improve themselves by the end of the story?* and in Age of Ultron they don't really learn anything. I suppose you could argue they have deep fears but that's about it. What does Tony learn? Making a superbot was a bad idea, only to immediately make a second one. What does Steve learn? Tony can't be trusted, I guess, idk. What does Bruce learn? Natasha has a crush on him. What does Natasha learn? Bruce doesn't want her. What does Thor learn? Ragnorok is coming, I suppose. What does Clint learn? Family matters...maybe, idk. Wanda and Pietro are the only ones that really get any character arcs because they start off on the wrong side and realize halfway through, they were wrong.
Thank god someone else talked about the fact that MCU Asgardians were literally portrayed as… regular incapable citizens… *crickets*. Asgardians themselves have always been incredibly powerful beings made by birth with inhuman and godly strengths built to protect Asgard from other similarly strong and war-inspired adversaries… and just happen to inhabit Asgard. And if they weren’t strong enough, they… just died and made room for those who could protect. Making Asgardians seem like they can’t defend themselves from… a destroyed Bifrost??? A single scrawny goon frost giant with a sword??? Very temporary extinction??? …ummm hunger?????? Just abysmal treatment of Asgard and Asgardians and I can never forgive it
The MCU did a poor job with Thor. Especially in the later films. I really hated Thor Ragnarok and didn’t bother with Thor Love and Thunder. But one of the main reasons I renounced being a Marvel fan (Not just the films, but comics, games etc.) was how they ruined Hulk. Hulk had a good start in the 2008 film and in Avengers, but Avengers 2 put him in a fanfic relationship with Black Widow when he should be with Betty Ross. They butchered a multitude of his storylines and character development. And now he’s a soy boy beta male.
@KingNazaru You should've seen this coming a mile away when they casted Marl Ruffalo as tragic doctor Bruce Banner, who's terribly miscast from the role.
12:34 Thor, Odin, Loki, Sif, Baldur, they all are from a religion, paganism, which now is just labeled as Norse mythology, paganism is still religious, changed them from gods to just “aliens” was such a bad move, took their uniqueness away and made there place in everything less meaningful, they ARE gods, and Loki was most definitely truely robbed
The MCU didn't acknowledge the existence of gods or real magic until Phase 3. Up until that point, it was all just aliens and super-advanced tech that wasn't understood and was therefore called magic. It was part of making a more realistic, less over the top (compared to the comics) movie universe.
Ever since the MCU Really fell off I've been looking into the classic comic stuff even more so now and oh boy even with it's best films the MCU was far from perfect with adapting some of its stories and characters,This is coming from someone who knows even more of the material now even with the MCU's best film's and one's I still like there are some cracks showing before phase 4....Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Spectacular Spider-Man and the Spiderverse film's are peak Marvel adaptations in my opinion
@sleezy0059 You could say the spider-verse is a Multiverse inside a Multiverse,And overall they're just really enjoyable even with a few floors but the small floors that don't completely break the story or characters
Yeah but im somebody who is just not a fan of multiverse stories. I love comics for the canon and continuity of one universe. There are some exceptions for me like Earth 2 and 3 from the Dc comics multiverse, But other than that i find the gimmick to be weightless. But more power to you for enjoying it. @@optimascrime5235
I do have suggestions for Age of Ultron but it might require rewriting Thanos. In the first movie he was all about ruling and conquest and tyranny. Loki was the same, talking about mortals being made to be ruled. The theme of the movie was that: tyranny and fighting against it. Thanos represented too much order. When Ultron's trailer came out, with Ultron singing about being free, cut loose, I thought he and the movie would be the thematic opposites of Thanos and Loki: anarchy and freedom. Ultron is designed to oppose oppression, but as he intervenes more and more in human tyrannies and despotic governments, as he learns about Shield and it's secrets, he comes to see al government as tyranny, and decides the only way to free humanity is to drive us back into the stone age. Of course they completely ignored that whole freedom, no strings on me theme and went with a confused robot that doesn't know what he wants. ANd then they retconned Thanos into being less of a tyrant and more of a Malthusian extremist. Which while a legitimate villain for a fictional series to portray, given how many people nowadays talk about overpopulation like Malthus, it was a retcon, and nothing like his comic origin.
This is the problems with live action comic book films in general. They are too expensive, rushed, and have a lot of inaccuracies. Animated media, video games, and television shows are far better mediums for comic book adaptations.
@rustyshackelford4224 Animation looks the most like the comics and is generally the most accurate, video games allow you to play as your favorite characters and tell a story, and television shows give you much more time with the characters and gives more character development.
@rustyshackelford4224 I agree. However, there is one problem. The general audience does not care about source material at all. All they want is live action movies. The problem also is that live action movies of any kind based on anything are that they typically have so many more inaccuracies and fail at delivering the message of the original work. General audiences do not know crap about a lot of things, and that is on them. Sorry if this was long-winded, but I just really wanted to say niche meidiums like animations and others are better as they bring an alternative to the status quo.
Honestly, the only reason why RDJ was able to evolve Tony Starks character is because RDJ was honestly the perfect match for Tony Stark. RDJ's always been a great actor long before the MCU, but his own life parallels the lifestyle of Tony Stark, so he's very much playing himself, but it's not in a bad sense because his snarkiness makes total sense character wise when you factor in Tony Starks' background...
IMO the best version of thor was from infinity war, it returned him to his serious nature, and showed just how powerful he was with him being basically the only one physically capable of taking on thanos, then they threw that development away for fat thor 😂