The Megaproject That Will Transform European Travel 

You are right so far that the high voltage connection is also important, but it is a different thing, which is independent of the tunnel.

Germany is already connected to Norway via High Voltage Direct Current cables through the North Sea, called "Nord Link". So a tunnel may be nice to have, like the Channel Tunnel to the UK, but it isn't necessary in order to connect power grids.

There is allready a direct link via the Fyn island ! The Fehmarn is just 150-200 km shorter .. It will create extra capacity for passenger ánd cargo rail !

​​@@lws7394it will allow to bypass the Jutland peninsula entirely

There alreddy are a large number of high voltage between nordic countries and northern europe. And no, more cables don´t strengthen the european grid, it only strengthened the german grid, every one else grid is made worse.

you are comparing apples to oranges but I agree that the tunnel is great

This project should’ve had 4 rail tracks instead of roads, with speeds of 250km/h instead of 200, trains operators should pay 0 in fares for using the tunnel, with all the cars paying double when going the long way around, forcing people to take the train instead of flying or driving. This project had so much potential, but the car centric politicians ruined it.

@@ncard00 The political compromise for these kinds of projects in Denmark are ALWAYS a combined road/train solution. To get it started at all. The left leaning Parties are in favour of public transport, and the Liberal and conservative Parties favour the car/road solution. So the compromise is BOTH, because both "sides" need to be on board with it to even get it started. And that is also why these projects are widely supported over time, even when the Government changes.

​@@ncard00You are crazy, if you think there should be no road tunnel. It would be the biggest flop of tunneling, in modern history.

" I do understand why Scanlines have fought so hard not to loose their Monopoly!" Its not exactly fair when you compeat with something that is largely payed by the government, even if its officially a private company. With out government guaranteed low interest loans there would not be a chance of anything like this ever being built.

@@matsv201 All the roads and bridges I drive on are mostly paid for by from our taxes, by the Government and are free with a few exceptions. Of course a ferry line is costly to operate, but I find it sad that prices go up at once - really a lot (And it strangely becomes the same price for the very different lines?), when the - only competing, private Line gives up! For many years I drove to Belgium several times a year, and the last years I always took the much longer road through Jutland, driving a diesel car and also because a bridge is always there to use, when I needed it and also out of most traffic hours, as I mostly sailed during evenings and nights.

And the last private line was prevented from operating on the most profitable line from Rødby and could only sail Gedser - Rostock! And they had a much more Service minded way of doing business, according to my opinion.

I knew someone that flew from Eindhoven to Amsterdam. I tought it was just so idiotic. Like there is a train that takes just over an hour that goes from Eindhoven and Helmond straight to Schiphol.

​@@Lunavii_Cellest yet it is extremely expensive and overpriced and Dutch trains are unreliable too...

the same situation is happening in Rosenheim in Bavaria where the rail corridor is supposed to be widened to allow better acces for the Brenner Basetunnel. People there just protest against it

​​@@breznknedlthis is such a nonsense because the people from Rosenheim really like to make a trip to Italy, especially the Gardasee. There are only 3 major routes from Germany south across the Alps: Gotthard Tunnel in the West, Brenner in the South and Tauern passage in the East. Of course you can drive over mountain passes, but this will cost you a lot of extra time and in the winter you might fail to cross.

Compensation must be given for decreasing property values. Other than that I agree

​@@rupertschwarz5477 To me it seems highly unlikely Rosenhein residents even consider Gotthard

Nice, after shooting their own both feet, they'll surely continue to cut off their arms and head as well.

i dont think anybody has actually suggested doing that.

@@edf6607 i bet someone has 😃

They’re actually talking about ways to increase traffic through the tunnel, not shut it down

too deep. Bridge is the only real option; but these are the Italians/Sicilians we are talking about. Having lived in Naples 1987-1991 I can promise you the heat death of the universe has a higher speed process than this situation.

And the train ferry is the one between Sicily and Italy

3:15 For years people have had to take a five-hour detour. A single trip is not years but many trips over thouse years have had to make the journey.

I'm criticizing the rhetoric of the video, not the tunnel. I'm all for the tunnel.

This is the same method that BART pioneered in the San Francisco bay area in the 1970s. This is a major earthquake prone area. The sections have some compliance built in and often have been cleared for safe continued operation quicker after earthquakes then other options such as bridges. Except this is being built 50 years later with even better technology and much more practice and experience in doing so.

The sea bed is sandy there, the sinking would be uniform. So the tunnel would just become a few cm deeper under sea level. This place is not prone to fractures and earthquakes. Also I don't 100% know how the segments are connected together, but I suspect steel tendons and the huge gaskets made of rubber are designed to flex a fair bit.

YES!

It’s part of a larger series of projects, including major tunnels through the Alps and capacity increases on the routes between them

Have a look at Google maps and you'd understand

Physically possible maybe, but politically it won’t happen

I hope Japan retakes it's islands and then build a tunnel. Who tf would want a connection with Russia? Nothing good comes from that.

@@janeisklar3923Kurils are not a part of this project.

@user-ft9ul5ul5v i am glad you know what islands I mean. But man, you seem to be a very smart person. There will be no bridge between Russia and Japan. You know it. I really hope Russia can become a great democracy one day and the we could be great allies with infrastructure from Portugal Alltwen way through Russia to Japan.

@@janeisklar3923 We are already a democracy. You just want some land, more and more and more. Calm down. All Russian people will be united, only in that way Russia can be safe to open before west, and even that is not needed. I think it will be the other way around - Japan will shake off its dependency on sleepy dumb USA and will come to us and to China.

There is video of month old Chinese submerged tunnel leaking,,,,,,, but Danes are a little bit better builders, so they will probably be fine.

It's like a plane is prone to crash. Risk is never zero, but acceptable. The holland tunnel only crashed in "daylight".

@@pliashmuldba oh that makes sense

Any tunnel is prone to flooding, not only this one! The (English) Channel Tunnel hasn't done too badly!

The metro line M4 in Paris used the immersed and embedded sections technique for crossing the river on both sides of the island. It's been doing fine since 1905-1910, lying embedded in the very soft, squishy marshy river bed. So marshy that they had to freeze the South bank down to minus 25°C to be able to dig the soil without it subsiding. If a 115+ year old immersed tunnel made with turn of the century technology in marshy ground can still function today without leaks, then I wouldn't worry too much about an immersed tunnel created with 21st century techniques. My only concerns about this project are that there's only one pair of railway tracks. Sadly they did not forget putting 2 dual lane roads... which is the other concern : cars and trucks. They should have put at least an extra pair of railway tracks and banned trucks / lorries from driving through the tunnel on the road. Like France, Germany has its rail network saturated to the brim and putting at least a second pair of tracks would have been a great incentive to increase Germany's railway capacity. Virtually anything that can reduce or even suppress vehicles on roads is a good thing. They could have done a freight transfer terminal system, like with the Channel Tunnel. With freight train shuttles crossing the tunnel carrying trucks, in between the usual freight trains. The extra rail tracks would have been great either way to separate passenger and freight traffic, thus allowing higher speeds for passenger trains and better overall capacity. With only one pair of tracks, passenger trains will have to run slower and separation between trains with different speeds will be much longer, reducing capacity. Private vehicles and trucks are the most dangerous vehicles in tunnels, especially subaquatic ones. Of course the problem is due to the fact that humans are driving and not the vehicle type per se. When the Channel Tunnel was initially studied, the road tunnel idea was quickly dismissed as way too dangerous because drivers would be prone to panic, stupid behavior and your garden variety traffic mayhem : speeding, reckless driving, stopping where they should not, crashing, etc. And the problem with this immersed tunnel system is that if there's a major accident in one road tunnel leading to fire, it could weaken or ruin the whole tunnel system as they are all in the same blocks. Contrary for example to the Channel Tunnel, which is in fact 3 different tunnels, 2 main and a service one, each dug separately, with several meters of earth between them. Even though they are connected, a catastrophic event in one only weakens one tunnel structure, not the others. I hope and expect that they have planned a very efficient and failproof fire suppression system for the Fehmarn tunnel. Anyway, I also hope the toll fare for road vehicles will be expensive but very cheap for passenger and freight trains.

Actually, _the Vikings_ are coming (again!), as they are the ones building the tunnel. We are just awaiting them on our shores in fear, hehe.

@@hape3862 😂

Regarding my questionable experiences with Germans dominant and intolerant behaviour as tourists, I don't find your humour funny! Just quit that joke, as well as the saddening mindset behind it! Bon Voyage

@@OmmerSyssel oh sh.. up where’s your homour

What if this, what if that Of course there's possibility of an accident, since when is that a reason to not build? What makes you so obsessed with one hour of traffic going "back and forth"? City centers are completely different story than connections between countries, just think about it that way

There's a high speed rail line inside the tunnel...

500+ km under sea might be a bit too much to ask. The longest railway tunnel is 57 km long. Which is in the order of magnitude of the distance between Malaysia and Indonesia. Depending on geology I could see an unbroken train network from Bangkok to Surabaya, with two mega project tunnels on the way.

Understandable, but is that not in risky territory regarding earth quakes and such? Denmark and this Fehmarn Tunnel is nowhere near any risky subduction zones or the likes.

@@k7u5r8t4 😅...am i asking too much ??

The company is state owned so there are a ot of information laws they have to follow, this means they have to make environmental data every day and those data have to be public immediatly so the owners (the citizens) can keep checking up on their investment.

To Australians, Europe is viewed as a single entity made up of multiple small countries that essentially appear similar to Australian States. It is very common for Australians to visit multiple European countries on a single trip. When talking to their friends, they simply will say they are travelling around Europe. They don't really mention the countries themselves unless someone wants more details of their trip.

@@nickhiscock8948 If you are covering multiple parts of Europe in one vacation & I can sort of understand being from Australia where its probably a very long flight, idk how much flights would be but i can fly to Dublin & Copenhagen from O'Hare for less than $500 round trip, we are also much closer in geography but it still doesn't matter where you live, we still have access to books and the internet where you can gain knowledge of the different geographic regions of Europe, Scandinavia, the Baltics, British Isles, Central Europe, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, European part of Turkey, European part of Russia, etc.

European travel makes perfect sense to use as a descriptor here. It's a project of the EU. It's supposed to strengthen international trade.

@@shitlordflytrap1078 if its for trade I can understand but its not anything that is going to directly benefit anyone, its just a alternative to a existing crossing that is located slightly to the east. but for regular people traveling by car or train this would only benefit people in the immediate regions on each ends of the crossing.

Since there is no single City in that backwards orientated area, there shouldn't be any issues ... 🤷🏼😉 Are you perhaps concerned about local towns or even villages?

Where did you get that weird idea? Cities on Lolland were already shriveling for many years. Higher chances that Lolland will get an economic lift due to being well-connected both north and south. And I'm not even talking about the business opportunities during construction. With the freeway already being there, it is not some sort of plowing new routes through the landscape.

As few as your enemy allows before bombing the entrances and exits.

I guess 1 per second is doable with plenty of headway between trailers, so... 3600. Not sure if train tracks have wide enough clearance, but let's allow for 1000 small tanks per hour on trains as well... That's peacetime calculus. As someone said above, this is not 20th century. State of the art (guided missiles, drones, air superiority fighters) means any major infrastructure will be wiped and useless soon after a real war breaks out.

In my humble opinion, a tunnel like the Fehmarnbelt Tunnel would be a solution to link Sicily and Italian peninsula miles better than a bridge. Why not?

​​@@angelograssi5697the Italian mob is in the bridge building business, not the tunnel building business? I think there's your answer.

You can’t get your meals or your Amazon packages through VR

I mean yeah, in the future we can can make it so humans don't need to sleep through gene engineering or smth like that. Doesn't mean we don't need to sleep now just because in the future we might not have to.

Do you really think Europe wants a tunnel with Africa? Be honest. Definitely not. A bare minimum would be for Morocco to be a stable democracy with the rule of law and a proper economy. The entire continent of Africa lacks that.

... Said the Nigerian. 😂

Depth is about 800m Gibraltar 😂

no

@@jh5klNo? Maybe they could save half the cost and just build a one lane tunnel that goes from Africa to Europe? They're not going to be going back anyway. 😂

The thing is there hasn't been a solid counterargument since the pros outweigh the cons.

Another thing to consider when talking about who funded the study is, who else would ever fund the study? Though admittedly it would have better optics to have an independent group conduct the study

The company is state owned (the danish citizens own it) so there are a lot of information laws they have to follow, this means they have to make environmental data every day and those data have to be made public immediatly so the owners (the citizens) can keep checking up on their investment. If they harm the environment more than allowed in the deal I'm sure intrest groups will speak up.

Just if youtube commenters would spend their energy proportionally where it's due, more on environmental impact of things like coal mines, and less on tunnels whose sites literally are covered over and left for wildlife to reinhabit.

​@@u1zha exactly

The company is state owned (the danish citizens own it) so there are a lot of information laws they have to follow, this means they have to make environmental data every day and those data have to be made public immediatly so the owners (the citizens) can keep checking up on their investment. If they harm the environment more than allowed in the deal I'm sure intrest groups will speak up.

It will shorten the travel time from hours to maybe 10min and will connect countries that lay on opposite sides of the baltic sea.

@@janeisklar3923 Not sure how this is a "revolution of european travel". Sounds like an advertisement to me.

@@maxloewe9162 idk man. If it doesn't fit in your definition of revolution, then just see it as a mega project that will break multiple records while using new technology.

@@janeisklar3923 Let's just say I'm pretty sure a lot of people and travel in Europe will be totally unaffected by this.

Build a bike path in a tunnel that long?? No thanks

Take it with you on the train

You are never going to ride your bike 18 miles through the fucking tunnel... and back 😂

@@ButterfatFarms Kilometers, not miles!

@@ruhri0411 yes, km

The company is state owned so the government wants to keep costs low... In USA you don't belive in state owned companies, for some reason.

@matthewluck9077 Just to clarify, the company that oversees and controls the project is state owned. The actual building of the Tunnel etc, is done by private companies from multiple countries. The biggest difference between this and USA is the level of CORRUPTION in the US.

It's not like humanity is building its first tunnel. I would be more scared of the other older tunnels than this top modern one that will take EV fires specifically into account.

They didn't build it for you. 😂

Fire suppression on EV's is different. It requires a huge fire blanket. Once the whole thing has cooled down it's not prone to reignite. Does take time though.

There's a service tunnel, Scandinavian level safety measures if you will. If an electric car or a dangerous goods truck catches fire, you stop and walk to the service tunnel to be safe from fumes. Yeah you forgot to think about trucks, now didn't you? So worried about electric cars because your average car forum goes nuts about them day in day out?

Rails alone is a dumb idea, sorry

The tunnel has good rail capacity, roads will always be needed for everything else.

The road and rail tunnels are being built at the same time

I'm sure you as an internet expert has the answer

@@Roger_Gustafsson Given that the road tunnels and rail tunnels are being cast as parts of the same tunnel units, yes, I think so. Kind of hard to build one without the other that way

@@andrewreynolds4949 I was answering the first guy. TorbenLarsen. Everything is bad. Even farmers. Still need to eat though...

@@Roger_Gustafsson Depends on your definition of "bad" I guess

Why do you mind cars?

@@Hermania3000 Seriously? Because they pollute, require expensive roads that destroy landscapes, take tons of space for usually one tiny human being sitting in it etc. etc. Watch any traffic congestion in any large city and you have your answer why cars are a "solution" that doesn't scale. If everyone drives in a car, nobody drives anymore, as everyone will be standing in a traffic jam... or our cities will be made unlivable to 10-lane roads. One single train filled with people can replace several hundred cars on the road. The OG commenter is 100% right, the world needs less cars, not more.

@@bellissimo4520 By the time this tunnel is ready, people will drive environmental friendly cars. The tunnel is under the sea, meaning no destroyed landscape. And I don't think there will be any congestion in it.

Or do what they did for the Channel Tunnel. Load the cars and trucks onto shuttle trains and run them through the tunnel. Much safer.

Me neither but I guess otherwise people would still take the longer car route and emit more Co2 like that.

Trains alone won't be enough.

You've mistaken us for someone who cares. 😂

@@ButterfatFarms That does not matter.

@@akbk2505 your opinion does not matter.

Not really sure what you mean by spiritual development. Are you talking about your invisible friend in the sky?

@@larspeterthomsen9798 Talking about something you apparently have no clue about. But before Galilei the globe was flat as well! ;)

You worry too much

Simply not true, spend sometime driving around Switzerland and you will see that very long tunnels are no big deal

A tunnel of this length must be intensively ventilated anyway. The tunnel will certainly still be in operation in 2100, by the time it opens the proportion of electrically powered cars will have increased significantly and at some point in the middle of this century internal combustion vehicles will be an absolute rarity.

You didn't even consider the existence of other long tunnels elsewhere in the world? Google their lengths? Strong commenting mindset

Do you think ferries are built in small mom and pop factories

@@u1zha Please. Dude's mocking a far less expensive solution to the rail problem that's gotten the job done in favor of a 7 billion dollar mega project. One that'll have been in design and construction for several decades by the time it's done. How long do you think it took to design and build those ferries? How much do you think they cost? Why was it a mockable solution to the rail problem? He's just being goofy. While he's dreaming about this far more expensive and extensive mega project those ferries are reliably getting it done everyday without drama as a matter of routine. And they will continue to do so for many years to come until this mega project is finally completed. Cutting a great deal of time off the transportation of goods over this straight. They're only absurd until you look at the alternatives.

@@u1zha and in case you didn't get the memo they already had dry docks with local shipbuilders available to build the ferries. They didn't need to build the manufacturing infrastructure and a town to house the workforce to just build them. You know, unlike this mega project.

Got the job done? This tunnel will save so much time and will make travel between Denmark and Sweden so much better. And yes it does cost money. But so does any other bridge. Are you gonna say ferries will do the job at every bridge and tunnel in the world?

@@Lunavii_Cellest I didn't say that. He's the one mocking that solution to the rail problem for its complexity, cost and absurdity of ferrying trains while promoting a project to replace it thats incredibly far more so. If the irony is lost on you it's lost on you

It is already being build - and Denmark is paying for it, so..

@patrickreichenbach7722 ?????? They ALREADY started this on the Danish side in January 2021, and on the German side in November 2021. Germany is only responsable for the infrastructure on the German side. The Tunnel itself and everything on the Danish side is the responsiblity of the Danish authorities. Similar projects in Denmark ( Storebælt and Øresund ) opened close to the sceduled date. And this is sceduled to open in 2029, which is not "in a hundred years", so!?!!

Scandinavians import lots of goods from southern europe special vegetables

It will be. Have you ever been on European freeways? Trucks everywhere going from Poland to Sweden, from France to Greece, from Italy to Denmark. It will be useful for all Europeans but obviously for some countries more than for others

@@janeisklar3923 If a truck goes from Italy to Denmark, in grand scheme of things, 160km detour, which this tunnel is trying to slove, doesnt sound that significant?

To late ,. They already overran Sweeen

@@tnickknight and the UK / France / Spain / Italy and Greece …

Exactly, once those African immigrants arrive at Malta, Sicily, or Greece... just one more step, and they're into northern Italy; two steps, and they're into Germany; and from there they just take this tunnel and... HELLO SCANDINAVIA! The whole of Africa is now going to invade Scandinavia. hahaha

By that logic we should all stay locked in our homes and have checkpoints at every municipal boundary. No way the criminals can move around then

@@andrewreynolds4949 yes, so we should.

These are called investments in the future, are nothing special, and they will eventually pay for themselves.

@@fastertove Indeed. It is also okay IF: Projects like this are not on the expence of other important functions of society. For Instance in Denmark, many welfare functions, like the public healthcare systems have been destroyed by cut backs and so on, so Doctors and nurses are running from those jobs. I am wondering if the money they "saved" on that account are used elsewhere. Right now in the entire Denmark if you get colon cancer, there is 1 doctor to save you And the in total 4 such doctors we had a few months ago, not even enough to keep up and so people was not getting treatment fast enough. There are plenty of reasons to be "miffed" if you are a sane Dane. I am not able to participate in the democratic process here as i can not vote for incompetent idiots.

@@pliashmuldba Day to day expenditures and long time investments are very much separate things. Long time investments pay for themselves, but that is not always the case with the day to day expenditures. That being said, it can be very hard to distinguish what is what, and I definitely agree that more money should be spend on those essential parts of our welfare system, that you mention. From my point of view, it is especially dumb how areas like the school system, which in essence is a long time investment, are continuous neglected. The reforms of "folkeskolen" has frankly been consistently for the worse - a prime example of what not to do.

@@pliashmuldba A blank vote is still better than no vote, so I'd hope you're voting blank every time, rather than 'just not going'. I do also think it's fair to point out, that if you are a citizen with voting rights, and find there to be nobody worth voting for, the same freedom that permits voting, also permits starting up a new political party to represent what you think is missing in the elections. Put shortly, non-participation is only really for the disinterested and those who don't have voting rights; everyone else can and should partake :)

@@GronTheMighty Dont worry M8 i show up every time, and at least do what i can do, which are turning up get my ballot, go to voting booth, look at it with disdain and exercising my gag reflexes, and then go stuff the blank ballot in the box.

Nonononono! Please stay away from the pristine, sparselty populated Scandinavian region, and enjoy the metropolitan life in other parts. We like to have some space around us. ;)