Artech Storm no I didn’t. It just always surprises me when someone touches on that little detail. It was meant as a comment and he always does more research than I expect.
There's also a version of the story where Hope IS the curse, as it guaranteed humanity would continue to thrive, and thus, suffer for eternity... a pretty bleak lookout on "never give up".
There was also a possibility of misunderstanding of the latin word for "esperance" which can mean hope, but it can also mean to wait. Pandora would have closed the jar before the worst of all plagues comes out : esperance, preventing men to just sit around and wait for death. This makes more sense since the jar is supposed to be filled with plagues, which doesn't fit hope. Her curiosity might have plagued humanity, but her quick thinking saved it from doom. This version also fits the intention of Zeus to make humanity suffer without eradicating them. It also fits how love and lust motivates society while making it suffer endlessly.
I am from Greece and believe me, they meant the word hope! Even if he wanted to punish humans, Zeus didn't want to make the extinct, otherwise he could have killed them with one shot! He wanted to give them a chance, as he would do in future events!
@@SakuraLovesKisshu1 Like I said, it's a mistranslation from latin, the story might have evolved in different directions. Let's not forget that Zeus decides to start humanity again later with a flood, so his intentions are pretty close to those of a moody toddler.
My question is how is it that we have hope and hope is still in the jar. Is Zeus then sprinkling hope on us? I like the to wait idea, but I think someone’s tip over the jar cos procrastination is really prevalent now.
@@newchucksdaisychains The esperance isn't procrastination, it is close to the numbness one feels when they are depressed and stop taking care of oneself (showering, dressing, eating, etc.) so it's not really procrastination.
Gods of old were not necessarily immortal: the Olympians had their Ambrosia to sustain them, the Hindu Devas had amrita (a-not/mrt-death) and the gods of the Canaanite pantheon had the Fruit of the Tree of Life which stood beside the Tree of Knowledge in the midst of the Yahweh's Garden. Little wonder, then, that, having had the first humans take of their Tree of Knowledge, the gods would move to prevent them from taking also of their Tree of Immortality.
There was no "Tree of Knowledge" in YHVH's Garden...its the Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good ANd Evil. ALso, nothign suggests God needd the Tree Of Life to be Immortal. Or that YHVH was a Cannanite god. I know its popular to bash the Bible online or "Expose the Real Truth" but a lot of this is less than supportable.
@@skwills1629 For whom ,then, was the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil intended? For whom was the Fruit of the Tree of Life intended - if not for the "us" of Gen. 3:22 who immediately move to deny the humans access to it? "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" "Become as one of US"?
I know right! I guess I knew I wasn’t likely to do any of the other crap that would get you cursed by the gods at age 8 but was afraid to open my flower painted jewelry box cuz I might release a plague. 😳
I learned that the Hope in Pandora's box was also a curse. Because people were completely powerless against the will of the gods and hope led them to believe that they had some sort of power or sway over the gods.
There is also the story of Lilith, Adam's actual first wife who was made equal to him from the same clay as he was. But because of that she also had a free will and didn't simply obey Adam. In the end, Adam bitched about that to god until he was fed up with Adam's whining and kicked Lillith out of Eden and from there on the stories vary between sources but basically Lillith got mad at god and Adam and became the mother of all demons. And Adam got his obedient wife made out of one of his own ribs... Would be cool if you could do an episode on Lillith.
Cool Person it’s a Talmudic legend, it’s not actually based on the Bible itself but on the story of Adam and Eve. It’s like an alternate version of it. Basically it’s a part of some Jewish mythology (meaning I imagine most Jewish people don’t necessarily believe in it since it’s not part of the Torah?) and there are also multiple different versions of her story too. Not trying to talk your ear off or anything but if you’re interested there’s a really cool painting and sonnet by Dante Gabriel Rossetti based on Lilith. Hope this helps with any confusion!
I read the Bible lot since I was little I know the stores but get name mix up because ism bad at name. now in the bible Adam never has a wife name Lilith. I think that Lilith was just made up no I know. I believe that bible is true events. like god name is Jehovah in English it four Hebrew letters of God's personal name. it 7,000 times in the bible but has been replaced by lord and other titles. Jehovah means he cases to became.
@@fiorekeki9838 exegetically incorrect, but I respect your faith. Someone already mentioned the Lillith story coming from Talmudic tradition, not the Bible as christians know it.
The one thing I thought but didn’t hear mentioned was that her “curiosity” was part of the personality gifts given to her. Intentionally creating a woman who is curious and then given something she is told not to open was a long game with the Gods. A backhanded “gift” that was purposefully doomed from the start.
ADDITIONAL FACT: When all of the gods blessed Pandora with gifts, Zeus "blessed" her with curiousity last right before she was given to men. Makes it even more of a malicious plan of revenge from Zeus
Malicious from our perspective, certainly - but Zeus knew that men had curiosity and inventiveness already and had demonstrated ambition and the will to power, which the possession of fire and its arts would multiply manyfold. Any monarch of sound mind will do everything in his power to forestall competition, and Zeus introduced to the world through Pandora all of these complications in order to even out the playing field and ensure that for the foreseeable future, at least, men would have trouble enough sustaining themselves without also plotting to storm Olympus. 🤓
Jon, I think you made a great point. "This was the story that survived; it may not be how people felt back then." It does point out how a narrative can shape culture and thinking. Then we end up thinking that the way things are are the way they've always been, but that may not be true.
@@dilaisy_loone2846 - You mean Christian theocracy? Today is a "time of Christianity" too, and I'd much rather be a woman in a largely Christian society today than a woman in ancient Greece. But a lot of that has to do with modern secular influences.
@@dilaisy_loone2846 Why do people need to ivoke how awful Christians wre or are all the Tijme? By the way what you said isn't True. Christians gave women greater Rights and Values than the Greeks. The silly idea that every Pagan culture was better than Christianity to women is absurd.
"In other words, because hope stayed behind, we humans will always have it. No matter how dire and painful out situation is, there is always the possibility it gets better." I really needed to hear this today in this time of panic. Thanks, Jon :)
I'm a " solo family man " please try to do more vids like this. I can't imagine the incredible hard work and research that goes into you shooting first. I truly enjoy being taught the corollary between the old and new. Thank you John. Amazing work!!
@Sparticus Booker well... you know... It's not like women asked to be born. No one goes "Yo mum, dad! Can you have sex already, my nonexistent eyes spotted these two guys chillin' by the lake I really think if I put myself out there I can ruin their lives!"
The Bible has many exceptions, such as Rahab who was a Harlot but a Hero in the end, or Deborah who became Judge in Israel. Or Mary, Mary Magdalene, Phoebe, and others in the New Testament.
@@ilisten2thecureandcry The Bible is not Mysoginitstic. Again, just beause its Popular to bash Christianity these days doesn't make every negative claim Actually True.
Pandora’s Jar/Box? Another mistranslation: it is easier to get a “camel” through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. “Camel” is supposed to be “rope.” Makes sense now, doesn’t it?
The eye of the needle in ancient Hebrew is a metaphor for narrow opening. The term "eye of a needle" is used as a metaphor for a very narrow opening. It occurs several times throughout the Talmud. The New Testament quotes Jesus as saying that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
I looked it up in Strong's Concordance and there is no reason to think Jesus meant anything other than a literal camel and needle. This was a common middle eastern idiom used to describe something that is impossible. Jesus then drives home his meaning by saying that what's impossible for men is possible for God. It should also be noted that any camel CAN pass through the eye of a needle if it does it well before it's birth. So Jesus hints at the need to be reborn through baptism.
Actually, in Ancient Greek religion, hope was the greatest of evils because it carried with it the belief that the will of the fates could be overcome. Being glad that hope stayed in the jar was relief over dodging a bullet.
That connection may not be real. Superficial similarities aren't really evidence of much, and the differences are far more abundant than the similarities.
I'm not sure when the myth was first developed, but Hesiod lived and wrote his version in the 8th century BC. Genesis, however was written by Moses and was written when he was alive which was in the 14-13th century BC. So Moses Genesis' account is older and therefore not likely influenced by Greek culture (and the Hebrews had not been in context with the Greeks yet either since this is long before Greek culture became prominent). If anyone borrowed from anyone it would be more likely that Greeks borrowed from the Hebrews... Or it could just be that they stories both developed separately and had similarities.
@@prvtcaboose Moses was mostly a legendary figures not a actual person by multiple scholarly consensus. The name Moses. Started to appear in the late 323 or 13 BC century around the same time as Pandora myth. but the name Pandora is must older around 460 BC of white-ground kylix of Anesidora other name for Pandora myth.
Am I the only when that feels pressured too write a comment when you watch the video early? Like I always start stressing about what I should write that would be clever enough to be noticed 😂💀
In the Bible, the reason they were kicked out is due to Adam eating the apple. Their eyes were not opened until he did. So even though Eve ate the apple first, sin was not entered in until the man or the head, ate from the apple.
For starters, nothing says its an Apple. Its Fruit, but not necessarily an Apple. Also, you are wrong. Their eyes were open upon Eating the Fruit. From The Bishop's Bible. Modern Spelling. Gen 3:5 For God doth Know, that the same day that ye eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened, and ye shalbe eve as gods, knowing good and Evil. Gen 3:6 And so the woman, seeing that the same tree was good to eat of, and pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, toke of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband being with her, and he did eat. Gen 3:7 Then the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked, and they sowed fig leaves together, & made them selves aprons. Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God, walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his Wife hid themselves from the presence of the lord God amongst ye trees of the garden. Gen 3:9 And the Lord called Adam, & said unto him: where art thou? Gen 3:10 Which said: I heard thy voice in the garden, and was afraid because I was naked, and hid my self. Gen 3:11 And he said: Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou not eaten of the same tree, concerning the which I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat of it? Gen 3:12 And Adam said: The woman whom thou gavest [to be] with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Gen 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman: Why hast thou done this? And the woman said: the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. Gen 3:14 And the lord god said unto ye serpent: Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field: upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. Gen 3:15 I will also put enmity between thee & the woman, between thy seed and her seed: and it shall tread down thy head, and thou shalt tread upon his heel. Gen 3:16 But unto the woman he said: I will very much multiply thy sorrow, and thy griefs of child bearing, In sorrow shalt thou bring forth children: thy desire [shalbe] to thy husband, and he shall have the rule of thee. Gen 3:17 Unto Adam he said: Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy Wife, and hast eaten of the tree concerning the which I commanded thee, saying, thou shalt not eat of it, cursed is the ground for thy sake, in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. Gen 3:18 Thorn also and thistle shall it bring forth to thee, and thou shalt eat the herb of the field. Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread, till thou be turned again into the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: For dust thou art, and into dust shalt thou be turned again.
@@skwills1629 If you pay attention to the end of verse 6 on, you see the Bible says, 'He ate it. Then their eyes were opened.' After Adam took a bite. If he had stayed faithful to God, only Eve would've been punished.
While you are correct that it does not say an apple (it's just believed to have been an apple) their eyes were not opened until Adam ate the fruit. They did not know they were naked until Adam ate.
@@RedRoseSeptember22 omg fr i didn't even notice that xD i mean it's better than giving us a fucking hot tub for 20 years of playing the game..... WELL DONE EA
I had never understood the whole "hope being locked up" was a good thing as a kid. I finally came across one interpretation of the myth that actually made a ton more sense. The box/jar was full of all the evils mankind faces, right? So it makes no sense that "hope" is in there. It wasn't hope at all that she managed to keep sealed in the box. The one evil she sealed in was the opposite of hope. It was "foreboding". The constant knowledge that no matter what, each and every mortal was screwed, because we all die at the end of our stories. By locking up foreboding, she was able to grant/preserve our sense of hope, because we always could believe we had a fighting chance.
Well said. But that's Foreboding only for the Big Picture, without appreciating the details (and we all know who dwells there). Living day to day knowing - if not the exact nature of the misfortune (for then it would be more feasible to avoid it), then the exact time of day it was destined to occur - would make for (I should say) a pretty lousy life, however short it proved to be. 😕
Lol, I feel like this is so funny! Because man couldn't control themselves so it's all women's fault! I would open the jar/box too if I was told not to without a reason 🤭
Why though? If a God told you NOT to do something, a God that knows better than you and all of humanity, why would you not listen? It wasn’t her fault because she’s a woman. It’s her fault because she was stupid and doesn’t follow orders.
@@pathetic2399 ok but look at this scenario. Say your mother wrapped a Christmas present. Wouldn’t you want to open it to know what was inside? It’s curiosity not disobedience and stupidity.
If you are going to do Noah, you HAVE TO research Atrahasis from the Ancient Sumerians. It is the source from which nearly all other Flood stories arise, including the Greek myths & the three Abrahamic religions.
I've also noticed several biblical connections in not only mythology, but the fables/Disney series as well. 1. Eve/Snow White 2. Jonah/Pinocchio (could've also included that one Hansel and Gretel predecessor story) 3. Jairus's daughter/Sleeping Beauty 4. Samson & Delilah/Rapunzel (you could also kinda connect Esther and Cinderella, since both were normal girls that became royalty despite all odds. But idk...there's definitely a lot more to Esther's story than becoming queen of Persia, whereas Cinderella's story wraps it all up with a "happily ever after" and there's nothing more to the story after)
Refuting Atheists Lol First off, your time scale is completely off. Everything is much older than you think it is. Secondly, you need to research who the Elohim were (yes, plural, aka the Anunnaki) of the Bible. Newsflash, but the Ancient Sumerians predate everything in the Bible, by 1000s of years, & you can see for yourself that they present the same basic stories. Look up The Enuma Elish & Atrahasis. Both are here on RU-vid. You need to study the Apocryphal Books of the Bible, especially The Book of Enoch & The Book of Giants.
About the similarities with the bible. From what I've read, when the Roman emperor Constantine became the first to be baptised and hence Christian, the church had started to preach christianity and convert the masses. At the time, to make this transition to a new religion easier, many existing myths, traditions and festivals were in a sense revamped to fit the Christian narrative. So the important days (like celebrating the winter solstice etc) remained the same but were now Christian traditions. Feel free to fact check me and let me know if I'm wrong or mistaken in anyway :)
I always, as someone with trauma and crippling depression and anxiety, found it quite humorous that hope was found at the bottom of a jar of evils and pestilence. Most see this as a blessing, and for some, it is. But when you have been through pain and suffering, and you have had hope that has led to more pain and suffering, you realize that maybe (just maybe) hope isn't a blessing, but the worst curse of all. Because hope makes you vulnerable to being hurt even deeper, and distracts you from catching on to the pain and awfulness that is around you.
For some reason I always thought it was a vulture that was used in Prometheus’ punishment, not an eagle. I guess my mind just preferred the thought of a carrion creature instead of the actual bird
Thank you so much Jon Solo I really enjoyed this episode especially the part wen u revealed the two jars and how names and places change over time. There's just so much to cover and you've pretty been down every alley with Greek mythology. Still there's quite a fair bit to go. I'm looking forward to more fun content like this. Cheers and thanks again your fan Danyboy
When deciding on a name for our daughter, we decided on Pandora. We both had an interest in Greek mythology and it seemed to fit. My name is Arcadia, meaning paradise so we made the connection with Eve and Eden being the biblical counterparts.
@@arcadia4558 Charming! (Perhaps I shouldn't suggest this, but how about... "Pandybear"?) 🤭 😒🙄 (UPDATE: No, scratch that. She'd never live it down.) (Most likely.) 🙃
Since I didn't know much of Pandora's story other than her opening the box (jar), it was cool to find out that it was a parallel to the Adam & Eve story. You learn something every day
Omg I everytime I watch your Greek mythology explained, I wanted to request for pandora box. AND IM SO GLAD YOU DID IT OMG I'VE BEEN WANTING THIS. THANKS MAN. U DA BEST AT MAKING THIS CONTENT.
Great information !! Thank you !! I read that the one thing Pandora trapped in the box/jar, was FOREBODING. By not letting foreboding out, we don't know our fate and that gives us HOPE. If hope was trapped in the jar, then we wouldn't have any.
I love the fact that you find the similarities between greek mythology and theBible. I bet there are myths all over the world that have similarities. For me the myth of Pandora (as well as Ev from the Bible) reflects the time of history that matriarchal society became patriarchal... You did a realy good job and research!!!
"She was given the strength of men". So how do the Greeks explain how women ended being physically weaker than men? I don't remember that being talked about here. Also, now that Jon has covered Pandora, I'd like to see a video on Helen of Troy.
The Greeks valued and saw childbirth (like going through childbirth) as a very important and hard thing to go through. Women in Sparta got headstones if they died during childbirth, only warriors who died in battle got that (I read that somewhere so idk how real that is). And also you have the Amazons so maybe they did the ink they had the strength of men.
Oh also idk if you watched his video about Athena, but he talked about how the Greeks valued tactical thinking just as much (if not more) than brute physical strength so maybe that
This is interesting. I usually dont learn much from these videos, seeing as mythology was a huge interest of mine growing up, but I definitely learned a lot from this one! I really hope you talk about the Noah's ark connection, sounds fascinating.
You did a great job talking about the misogyny and not being mean haha so no worries :) I always knew about Pandora but never this deeply so this was cool
I’d like to see a video, a solid one, of your self doing the research, where you go, what you ask, internet rabbit holes, after you have done a video. I’d like to see one that is similar to a dvd commentary on what went into making the video.
Hmm, I wonder where the story of Adam and Eve originated. I'm pretty sure most of the stories, or ideas at least, in the bible are taken from other older religions
I believe that it was the other way around. The religion of the Bible was the original and the others branched from it making that religion the older and the others the younger, but I respect your beliefs as I hope you respect mine.
Good video, Jon. I knew about Pandora's box but I never knew about the other aspects of the story. This video was great. Do you think you can do a video on The Fisherman and His Wife?
Reminds me of the old show, Married with Children. Al Bundy was the leader of a group of men who were fed up with their boring lives and blamed everything on their wives. Pretty funny show actually. The men always pay for their antics in the end though.
All your videos are fun to watch especially the ones that you used to do on books, fairytales. On those videos you must have done you homework and research about what you were talking about, now I'm glad we'll have you series where you talk about the Greek myths; I think is going to be a fun and thrilling experience to those of us who like mythology.
An other link greek myth / bible : golums. Prometheus made humans from clay and God made them from clay/dust, but I think it has more jewish roots. I'm more familiar with the catholic version of that myth so correct me if I'm wrong. Still really similar the way humankind was created in both cases
This was a really interesting one!!...especially since I'd never heard of the myth even tho I knew the term "pandoras box"...its interesting that a mishap in translation could change so much...really enjoyed this one!!
Love your videos so much! Today specially I needed a reminder that we as humans always have hope no matter what. It’s amazing to me how this is still true thousands of years later. Keep up the great work!
Lilith is not actually canon to the hebrew bible and is considered hebrew folklore and her story may not even had even appeared until 2 centuries after christ .
So...if Zeus had just told Pandora what was in the box she wouldn’t have opened it. In the Old Testament it is true Eve was the first to bit the fruit but Adam was watching all the while and never stopped her. What’s more, in the New Testament this “original sin” is known, not as Eve’s sin but Adam’s. Just saying.
I'm glad you did this because I didn't know about it actually being a jar instead of a box. Or the other facts between the Bible and Pandora being the first in Greek mythology.
