If I remember correctly didn’t Mufasa’s spirit tell Rafiki that Kovu and Kiara need to be together? If so this is how I imagine that conversation Mufasa: “Those kids are perfect for each other, I ship it” Rafiki: “Are you crazy?! Mufasa: “I SAID I SHIP IT!!!” Rafiki: “OKAY OKAY OKAY!!!”
Mufasa: Here, I made a fan art of them, show this to Simba. He needs to understand that my ship is canon. Rafiki: But... Mufasa: I'll call it KoKia....or KiarKo......
Whitney Dahlin that one is the only movie I watched as a kid that I already knew the origin story and how completely fucked it was. Which is weird because almost no one actually does.
Some girl:” I want a love like Romeo and Juliet” Anyone with some common sense:”Romeo and Juliet is the worst love story ever they ended up killing 5 people
I had an English teacher in high school who never made his classes read it(though it was a common book for English classes) because he hated that story lol
Not to mention that Juliet is a rebound lol talk about romantic. But I'll take that over people who say they want a relationship like Harley and the Joker lol
I think it's because some go too quickly. If he paused just a bit more, it would be easier to understand everything quickly, without pausing. But it's fun and good information. I subscribed.
I was just checking the comments to make sure I wasn’t the only one who thought of Pyramus and Thisbe. Glad I’m not. That is obviously the OG Romeo and Juliet.
@@nailya4775 not really, there's a lion in Pyramus and Thisbe plus less death and not that much mention of a family feud, just disapproving parents. i do think Pyramus and Thisbe may be the inspiration for Romeo and Juliet though
I think the thing that a lot of people tend to misunderstand about Shakespeare is why he's actually held so highly. It's not because of his stories. Because like damn near everything else in the world, it's highly derivative. But that's not why he's held on such a high pedestal. It's his use of language. He was a wordsmith, not a storyteller, and much of his work tends to loose a bit of lustre when experiences purely through text.
As a Shakespeare fan, I think you did a pretty good job with your summary. When I was taught R&J in school, we learned that it isn’t *supposed* to be treated as the epic romance it is today, that it does, basically, boil down to hormones and stupid decisions.
Isn't that also very similar to Lion King 2? Especially for Kiara's character, who is very spontaneous and doesn't think about the consequences of her actions
I think from the events of the first movie, Simba has PTSD. And that reflects with how he treated his daughter. But he had to overcome it as he watched his child grow up.
During several of my English courses at my university, it was often brought up that most of Shakespeare's plays are based on earlier stories. In fact, there is a point in Shakespeare's life where he went missing, and many people actually believe that during that time he went on a long journey across Europe and surrounding areas in order to find stories to adapt into plays.
What's crazy is that both the masterpieces are inspired from a Persian poem Laila Majnu It was written in the 9th century. However, this story was already popular in the Arabic culture by the 5th century. But, since it was the Persian poet who made the story popular, the credit goes to the poet.
Actually, the very original story of was inspired by the real lovers Qays Bin Al-Mulawwah, and Layla Al-Amereeyyah. Those two were madly in love since childhood, raising sheep together and playing together. Their families were actually related, as Qays and Layla were first cousins. The story mentions that Qays tried to propose to Layla for marriage, but her family rejected him as they believe expressing love publicly was considered highly shameful! Thus, she eventually was forced to marry another guy from another tribe, and Qays was left with his own demise missing Layla and asking about her every single day. Eventually, he was found dead by some people and his body was taken back to his family to be buried. There’s a lot more into the poet’s life, but unfortunately the sources are only mentioned in Arabic. Cheers!
🤣 Shakespeare isn't a writer! He's a friggin pirate! "Oh! I exclaimeth! Whateth a fineth storyeth! I shalt rewriteth iteth exactlyeth the sameth and puteth mine nameth uponeth iteth! Imeth brillianteth!"
My 9th grade teacher actually managed to get us to understand love Shakespeare. The entire first semester except the last month we had to read the entire works of Arestotle which hurt our brains like crazy. After constantly reading that we went to Shakespeare which was so easy to read in comparison and we found ourselves laughing at all the jokes and enjoying it :) though we never did read Romeo and Juliet lol
* Stabs herself in chest next to the guy she knew for five days* *me*- ha haha really how you just gone expose them like that I’m dead Just like Juliet was ok I’ll go home
@@stovecleaner3769 ...You didn't have a crush on a cartoon lion? What kind of sad childhood did you have? Did you at least have a crush on an cartoon human?
I love that you have the good fellas painting in the back. There’s a dog pointing east and one pointing west, and doesn’t he look like that guy! You know the guy! In the trunk
You're not alone, Jon Solo, I too feel the same way about reading Shakespeare works. I think even J.R.R. Tolkien felt somewhat the same towards Macbeth. As a schoolkid he thought to himself: "Why couldn't Shakespeare have had the forest that moved be an actual forest that moved?" and that later gave rise to Ents and Hurons in his works on Middle-earth.
Glad to see you are back and in good form. Another enjoyable video. One thing about you're comments about Shakespeare, he wrote his plays in the 'common language' of the day, the theatre fans were not the 'culture' hawks as we often find today, they were just ordinary people from all classes and walks of life, also a lot of the words that don't appear to rhyme actually did back then as they sounded different in the dialect at the time. I am also told there was a lot of puns and jokes which go right over our heads now as the context is just unknown to us.
Hey Jon, love love love your videos. When I first stared watching messed up origins I watched all of them in 2 days. I’m glad your back is feeling better. Keep it up.
I'd LOVE to see a comparison of the interval pieces that both Lion King and Shakespeare have, ie Lion King 1 1/2 VS. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
HOW do you not have more subs?? Ive been binging your videos and I hit subscribe SO FAST. Youre hilarious and I learn so much keep up the great vids! ✨❤
We were given an altered version of Romio and Juliet to read. It had modernized language and terms (so you could actualy understand the charecters!), but they also made it instantly dated by having it take place in a "shopping mall". I type it like that because they were very explicit that it was a "shopping mall" to try and make students care. We didn't.
That sounds like the cartoon Yo! Yogi, where Yogi Bear and his friends were moved from Jellystone Park and now were teens hanging out in Jellystone Mall. Everyone thought it was a stupid idea back then, too, except for the people that made the show. Kids weren't obsessed with malls, it was just a place they would sometimes hang out, when they weren't at somebody's house, at the movies, etc..
I love that you have the good fellas painting in the back. There’s a dog pointing east and one pointing west, and doesn’t he look like that guy! You know the guy!
A lot more of his work did rhyme at the time. Pronunciation of a lot of words changed over time. Also, he did invent words and phrases, but we still use a lot of them today. :)
@@precious_muse someone saying they don't appreciate what he did for language are exactly right they don't appreciate it That doesn't make change his impact just there view of his impact
Plus, I think it needs to be brought up that they were originally designed to be spoken. There's a huge difference between reading Shakespeare and watching Shakespeare.
Honestly I love your videos. I stumbled on to your video about the Medusa and I have fallen in love with your videos. The are so unique and entertaining. Keep up the great work
One of the oldest stories to follow, or rather set the forbidden love and tragedy archetypes is Ovid's Pyramus and Thisbe, which was part of a book full of Ovid's stories written way back in 8 AD. It's very simplified yet different. There's only three characters, Pyramus, Thisbe, and funnily enough... a lion. The lovers don't even physically see each other. They talked through a crack in a wall that separated their houses, likely due to grudges between their families. They plan to meet beside the local mulberry tree, Thisbe describes the cloak she'll be wearing, but when she waits for Pyramus, she sees an oncoming lion and bolts, dropping her cloak in the process. The lion, whose mouth is dripping blood from a previous kill, finds the cloak and starts chewing and ripping it just as Pyramus approaches. He hastily assumes the lion killed his lover, convinced by her bloody cloak without a body, and kills himself beneath the mulberry tree, apparently turning its then white leaves red with his blood. Thisbe returns and finds his body, and also dyes the tree red with her blood.
I absolutely love your videos! It's so interesting learning about archetypes and all of the history behind childhood classics. It's blatantly obvious that you put a huge amount of work into your videos, and they are so fascinating! Thanks for all your hard work!
Jon! Always good to see your vids, Bro! The poster I look forward to the most. I'd buy these in a reasonably priced DVD gift set for MANY people in my life. Be encouraged.
