its sad how the Saturn I and IB are often forgotten or neglected but without them there would not be the Saturn V we know today glad to see a documentary about this awesome rocket
The Saturn 1B was an amazing rocket. Its only weakness was its enormous cost. A Saturn 1B launch cost was $336,000,000 in 2019 dollars. It had a lift to LEO of 46,000 pounds. Compare that with today's Falcon 9 with a reusable first stage lift to LEO of 37,038 lb for a cost of $50,000,000 or a expended lift to LEO of 50,265 lb for a launch cost of $62,000,000. The Air Force decided it would rather use the Titan III later IV and IVB for its heavy lift rather than the Saturn 1B for cost considerations. The final Titan, the Titan IVB, however cost $432,000,000 (1999) per launch for a 47,790 lb lift to LEO. The Titan had a fairly high failure rate. The AF eventually couldn't afford the Titan and paid for the development of the Delta IV Heavy. The Delta IV Heavy also a remarkable and much more reliable rocket is not cheap. The Delta IV heavy cost per launch is between $350 million and $440 million (2018) for a 63,470 lb to LEO. That can be compared with the Falcon Heavy reusable launch cost of $90,000,000 with a lift of 40,000 to 62,611 lb to LEO. The FH fully expendable cost $150,000,000 with a lift of 140,700 lb to LEO.
Great movie thanks! My father was a quality assurance engineer working on the Saturn program with IBM. I was born July 4 1967 and learned to count backwards before I learned to count forwards. I am very proud of my father and all the people who worked to make the United States the first country to get a man to the moon.
+Collin Wys Apparently He's Very uneducated on the Apollo missions. If these guys would watch one of the ENTIRE missions, which they are on YT, they might change their minds. The 3 TV networks of the time ran 24 hr a day coverage of Apollo11 & they had a constant feed to mission control & the astronauts were clearly in zero G for days. NO camera cuts or different scenes, but one long , running scene. They were not in suits so they cant say it was in water. Its all so stupid. All the ridiculous shit about it not being possible even now is all misinformation that is passed continuously around from one dummy to the next. Not possible my ass. The Van Allen rad belts are no problem at the speed they were traveling. And the thermosphere which they've learned is 2,000 degrees is a very deceptive thing! While the molecules Are that temp, they are spread so thin , its not actually hot there. The temp is still below zero. But it takes someone with a bit of a science background & a bit of knowledge of thermodynamics & that type thing to understand it, & all that is WAY the hell over their little heads.
All I can say is I feel that I was born in the wrong time cause that would have been amazing to be part of it...a really big thank this video an thanks to all that where in it 👍👍👍
I LOVED the Saturn rockets! I built a detailed model of the 1B when I was a teenager and realized then how special a beast it truly was! Wish I could have been there for one of the launches!
Those Giants had balls!! They actually already paved a highway to the moon and back for us, and we still just hovering the face of this earth? Those giants must think our astronauts are either pussies, or fucking stupid ..........
You do know that his widow and son 100% believe that he was a sacrifice and that it wasn’t an accident. He was the only one out of all the 33rd degree mason astronauts to openly criticize all the huge faults and problems with the program and submit inquiries to congress. He literally hung a coat hanger with a lemon on it outside of the module that would be his fiery coffin. No one has been to the moon walking around playing golf and falling all over the place. It is so obviously fake that if you can see it for yourself you might just be too far gone to save. Look at the faces of Apollos hero’s at the press conference. They all know what they are saying is a lie and you can see it all over their faces and in the body language they display. Neil by far seems to be the most disillusioned and saddened having to lie to the world. Jack parsons who had no formal education created the formula of rocket fuel . He was also best friends with elron Hubbard and practiced sex magic in a satanic freemasonic cult that he ran out of his house. Why don’t you read the Bible verse that’s on warner von Braun’s grave and then try and tell me that that he believed in any of this. The only thing that’s gone to space is your imagination. And the only black hole nasa eve found is the one we all throw our tax money into. Nasa is a branch of the D.O.D. That is a fact and if you don’t understand what that means you should just not engage in any intellectual conversation pertaining to the space program.
Why? Because of all the millions of women and children Obersturmbannführer and mass murderer Wernher von Braun has killed? Sorry, but I can't watch this. It turns my stomach.
Ernst Stavro Blofeld : Without Von Braun, man would have never gone to the moon in the first place, and the United States, would have become a plain, ordinary nation without a space program. Von Braun is NOT a murderer. HITLER, forced him to build his powerful V-2 rockets to bombard London and many other European nations during WW-II. And if he refused, then the fuhrer would have ordered his Nazi troops, to go and murder, Von Braun's entire family. So for the sake of his wife and children, Von Braun had to obey Hitler's orders, or else his family would have been murdered, and maybe even himself included. So please, don't blame Von Braun for what happened during WW-II. It was HITLER, the REAL murderer of humanity.
Fred Jaminson : According to my experienced professors who taught me the subject in high school, and various scientific experts whom i have met personally, INCLUDING ASTRONOMERS, the APOLLO capsules, had sufficient bullet-type speeds, capable of passing by the Van Allen Belts, virtually UNDAMAGED. That is how our astronauts were able to travel to the moon safely, and return home unharmed . Better start taking science courses soon, because the way i see it, you flunked miserably on the subject in school, during your young, teenage years.
The giant SATURN V moon rocket, was 10 times the size of the Empire State Building, capable of taking the Apollo spacecraft, ALL THE WAY to the moon and back.
I was @ KSC this year. They had the S1B apart doing maintenance on it. I hope someday they will bring it inside like they did the Saturn V. The S1B deserves a place of honor, such a cool rocket!
Very informative, even for the most hardened and dedicated viewer there is something new to learn. The information about the tiles, the role of the early saturns, the meeting with Kennedy and even the role that Chrysler had in an early booster was novel.
I saw a few people that I know in the film! A friend of mines Mom is the one sitting at the sewing machine, making the solar shield for Skylab. Her son is still working at JSC today.This is a really nice production.
For those comparing Saturn to the Space Shuttle: both were enormously successful vehicles. However, by the time we transitioned from one to the next politicians thought they could design spacecraft. Saturn was discontinued, even though it had better success rate and better prospects for further development. The Space Shuttle, as originally designed was supposed to save costs and be more reliable than anything before. It failed on both those accounts because politicians+Pentagon demanded it be designed with military specifications in minds. The original design had to be made larger, less cost effective, and less reusable because politicians wanted it to be able to be used to steal satellites. I'm not making this up, this is what they admitted to. And finally, politicians still nit-picked on the costs, including repeatedly delaying research and development into its replacement, instead wanting more tax cuts, as if space exploration was responsible for record deficit spending. They drove American human space missions into a corner to the point that by 2006 they had to start planning to axe the Space Shuttle, ready or not. The fact that NASA managed to fight Congress to keep the Space Shuttle alive until 2011 was a miracle. But it was a doomed design from the 70s and 80s when Congress/Pentagon first thought they were better designers than trained scientists and engineers.
Just imagine what could have been if NASA had been given the go-ahead to continue the Saturn program via the Apollo Applications Program. We might be on Mars already. It's still a real shame that they just through away all that research and development just to fund a war in Vietnam and Johnson's Great Society programs...
Inspiring, well done! Wishing that instead of conflicts for any agenda, religion or anything else, cease and the conquest of space continues for all mankind.
The people that designed, built and operated these mighty rockets are the pride of America. Thank you Ladies and gentlemen for your contributions to America's space program. We are in your debt.
As a Brit, I think they're nazi scum who built rockets that were fired at civilian targets in London. Many innocent people died because of those scientists. They should have been tried for war crimes and executed. If that's your idea of the pride of America, you should set your heights a little higher.
I DO TOO TYRONE,I GREW UP DURING THAT TIME! THOSE EARLY YEARS OF PROJECT MERCURY;PROJECT GEMINI;PROJECT APOLLO;APOLLO-SKYLAB;APOLLO-SOYUZ TEST PROJECT WERE A WONDERFULLY EXCITING TIME AND I'LL MISS THEM!
RANDY MILLER : History connoisseurs regard to this proud period as AMERICA'S GOLDEN ERA OF MANNED SPACE FLIGHT. You can still see many of the classic mission highlight films, taken directly from the NASA ARCHIVES, right here on RU-vid. I have them all downloaded on my own personal video file.
@@georgevila2777 They've also add Elon Musks candy apple red roadster........ doing burn outs around the earth..... in HD too!!! They've come a long way baby.
Nobody knew what the fuel would do in weightlessness. And with the SIVB stage having to restart after coasting they needed to know. It's easy to forget, how much was just unknown.
Josh That is cool, and they monitored the tanks with live television fed back to the launch site in real time, not film cameras. Look at 8:27 . I had no idea.
I was stationed at Edward's ABF in 1990 and met some of the older civilians that worked there and the Rocket site back in the 50's and 60's. They had some fantastic tales to share. I worked with Buster Keaton who worked on the Oldsmobile that towed the small lifting bodies around the flight line to test the concept before the shuttle was built. He was one of the greats. The funniest story I heard was about the Alien's in the tunnels under the rocket site. Not to be believed. Or the tunnels being so big two B52's could travel side by side from there to Palmdale. Yeah right There were some great tales most were believed and just a few left me laughing for hours.
YDDES you do realize we could have used the same rockets that carried Apollo to lift the ISS modules to orbit, righy? Because thats exactly what the Russians did.
+Matthew Seligman So, what about the truss and all the outside details and equipment, mounted by the help of the "Canadarm" crane? Apollo had no crane and room for it. And, apart from the building of the ISS, the shuttle transported whole laboratory modules up and back in its cargo bay, complete with experiments. Something Apollo could not do.
YDDES it simply would have been built in a different way.....look at Mir, which was HUGE, and built without the shuttle. the Esa, Russia, and the US are not going with shuttles again for a reason. laboratory modules can be returned in other ways as well, including removal of the experiments to a return craft the shuttle was dangerous, over complicated, and inefficient in extremis
Interesting fact and tribute to the engineering skills to design and build the Saturn rocket family. NONE of them have EVER failed or exploded! That is not to say they didn't sometimes experience issues, but not catastrophically.
'We wrote a long letter to a german gentlemen who had graduated and asked Von Braun for advice. Von Braun looked at it and put a cross through it and wrote: Dear Hanz, come to America. We're going to the moon....' Epic.
It always makes me wonder what we are capable of if we really wanted to. What everyone is capable of if pushed to survival. The things we were and are amazing at, we had and have to be. Space race, military, etc. NOT the DMV
You aren't the only one... I never received multiple dvds that I ordered. Some have been in "preorder" mode for years and 1 was even released but I've never gotten them and can't get a reply to email inquires. No valid phone number to be found on the website, which, by the way, doesn't even list some of the dvds that I ordered anymore....
route66lv and T Kerrig: Spacecraft Films is OUT OF BUSINESS, permanently for ever because they defrauded many of their loyal customers, including myself. All the dvd sets from Project Mercury, the Apollo 10, 12, 13, 14, 16 and 17 missions, plus Skylab and the early Space Shuttle flights, are completely DISCONTINUED.
to grow up at this time in history,was a gift that I hope of you new rocket scientist,have the same exciting and historical experience,we need to develop new ways of getting to space in increasing payloads by new propulsion systems,and do remember,nothing is impossible!!!! nothing
I I would like to see future rocket scientist think outside of the box we've reached the theoretical level of what we can do with conventional Rockets remember nothing is impossible the future belongs to those who think outside the box
Roger Clemons: I'd post a link to the video that "proves" that 2+2=5. But i can't be arsed to make one. Still people like you would believe it. I'd also just have to pretend that logic doesn't exist. Btw believing in the Saturns being fake is just plain braindeath. I mean there WERE people in the 60's and the weren't blind cavemen.
@@georgevila2777 LOL!!......He's dying to get back, turns out NASA canceled all future flights there, till they rediscover their lost technology. Their top german hostages/prisoners working on it are close. Now that they've switched from windows to MAC.
Does anyone know if Spacecraft Films is still in business? They've produced some awesome dvd sets like this one but I can't get a reply to inquiries into orders that I haven't received yet... This has gone on for months... over a year, in fact. Reply
When men and women shared a common goal: Placing an American on the moon. In today's environment such a goal would never come to pass--no unity of purpose and finger pointing would doom such an effort. I am glad I lived to see it succeed. Let's go to Mars next!
Who can tell me about what (at 1:50 , during opening credits) are the dark, relatively cool gasses are that are coming from the left, just on the perimeter of the engine exhaust? I'm figuring that it's the output from the turbopumps, but that's just a guess. Who else out there loves all the more esoteric bits and pieces of our greatest toys?... There it is again at 14:32 . I suppose that I answered my own question. It looks like there's a 'cold' plume for each engine. - -NEVERMIND!- - Right there at 15:55 in extreme close up, there they are, bigger than S&%t ! Turbopump exhaust.
They used the relatively cool turbopump exhaust as a shield to keep the main combustion gasses away from the nozzle. Those guys were geniuses! Or maybe that was VonBraun's idea. I'd like to see one of these idiot deniers tell an Apollo engineer he's a liar to his face. We'll see who's in orbit then!
Kind of crazy considering the saturn 1 first stage was basically 8 upgraded v1 rockets strapped together. I wonder what Germany could have done if it weren't for Hitler's ambitions and the war.
@@scottjustscott3730 Even so, the V1 was the pulse detonation 'buzz bomb'. You meant the V2. Having said that, these engines were well beyond the V2 powerplants.
I really wish we had just used the Saturn IB and perhaps developed a cheaper "heavy lift" rocket to replace the Saturn V. But really, the Saturn V probably would not have been that expensive to keep around. All of the high cost was in the initial development could have been amortized and leveraged and spread out. But Nixon was an idiot in more than a few ways and forced NASA to junk everything and reinvent the wheel. And we ended up with a dangerous system that had no mission (until the late 90s)and was more expensive than the Saturn Program by far.
The sad reality is that the US public grew jaded, and the huge expense of throw-away, one time use rockets, is prohibitive. The shuttle was supposed to be able to turn-around, get launched again, in just a few days. It ended up being months to patch, repair, re-launch. So the shuttle idea was fine, the execution was flawed. Space-X and similar civilian ventures are probably the future for the USA.
+Fernando Mendes He was THE designer of the Saturn 5 rocket that took us to the moon. My father worked with him at Redstone Arsenal, here in Huntsville, Alabama, in the 60's. My fathers job had something to do with the first stage engines called the F1. There were 5 in the first stage. The second stage had 5 smaller J2 engines & the third stage had 1 J2 engine.
David Kea Hey David. By 67, I had moved across the state line to Tenn after my dad died. He was working unreal hours at Redstone & died of a heart attack at the end of 63. But I lived there until about 66. And even after my mom remarried, we still lived only about 30 miles from Huntsville over the state line. Ended up back down here by 80 though, & now we live outside Florence in Northwest Alabama. But my dad was working with a team as an engineer with Von Braun on the first stage Saturn 5 engines. Got to hear a test once & Man was it loud! But, I got a comment back from a guy named Steve Fowler that was born at Redstone in 57. I was born in 58 when my dad was there & we think they probably knew each other because of the Fri nite Von Braun meetings they both went to. You still around here these days? Let me know, we might know some of the same people.
Hello again Steve. Thanks for taking time to write. We left Alabama in 1972 at age 5. IBM (I'veBeenMoved) us to Rhode Island where pops worked on the Trident sub programs. We stayed there 5 years before heading west to current home near Vandenberg AFB. Dad worked on the shuttle program for another few years til he retired early and then went to work part time at Martin Marietta/Santa Barbara Research. We are about 10 miles away from missle silos and 15 miles from the main launch pads. I never was able to witness any of the big ones launching at the Cape but I do remember touring the facility. The VAB stands out in my memory. Sure do wish I could've been there for a launch of the big boys down south. I am certain the missles launched out our way couldn't hold a candle to the sight and sound of the Saturn rockets. It would have been great if NASA had launched Space Shuttles out here as they had intentioned.
What is missing is the link to the parallel U.S. military rocket program documented by the 2008 PBS show AstroSpies. The Russians actually put a military space station, called Almaz, up instead of going to the moon. Guns and all. The whole connection remains classified. People involved ended up in the highest positions in NASA and government. When the Apollo 1 fire occurred, to make up for this set-back, MOL research was integrated. This is a substantial missing part of history. This 2017 video omits the connection.
Yes. The two stage S-1s had fourteen engines - 8 H-1s in the first stage and six RL-10s in the second. The S-1Bs had 9 engines total with just the single J-2 in the S-IVB stage. The S-V had 11 engines: five F-1s in the first stage, five J-2s in the second (S-II) and one J-2 in the third stage (S-1VB)
Same way they put the "milkstool" on top the mobile launch pad by using cranes in the vehicular assembly building then craned the Saturn 1B onto the "milkstool".
@@TomTimeTraveler And remember, when it's empty it weighs about 1/10 of its liftoff weight. And they don't lift the entire thing at once either . . . stage by stage and then lunar module adaptor section and finally the Apollo spacecraft. Easy for a fifty ton crane.
@Brown Paw gotta move with the times... Metric is the international unit of science. I'm from the UK and we use miles and some people want to go back to using pounds and ounces etc but those days are gone. Metric's so much easier anyway! Ah well, you're right though. There is an American flag on the moon and you should, rightly, be very proud of that. It was a phenomenal achievement. The USA has led the way in space exploration and the future looks very exciting as well. Gotta go. I need to get to the gym. I have a few kilos I need to shed!
@Brown Paw The measurement system used is irrelevant. There is zero correlation between a measurement system used and whether a mission will be a success.
@CipiRipi00 No, the mistake was not specifically because of the system used think about it. There is zero correlation based on the system used. The mistake was because of an assumption.
What I can't figure is why they haven't considered resurrecting the Saturn program. People keep coming up with conspiracy theories about agreements with Rockwell and others to destroy the blueprints for the Saturn series of launch vehicles and engines. No one is that insane. The data exists..they need to bring the heavy lifters back.
You could take the vast majority of conspiracy nutcases to the moon and show them all the landing sites plus the deployed ALSEP's, Apollo 16 UV telescope, rover tracks, and footprints, and they would simply say "nope, sorry, still not convinced". It doesn't make any sense to do anything to try and convince them that the landings happened since they are too irrational to ever admit they might be wrong. The Saturn rockets were fantastic machines but pretty limited in their mission parameters. The SLS/Orion are being designed for missions that could possibly last for months/years and they are using some new manufacturing techniques to maximize their potential. For example, look up friction stir welding. Using this innovative process has saved about 800lbs of weight on the Orion capsule simply because they can use thinner material than possible with the older welding methods because there's much less heat distortion.
The blue prints exist. The problems are the manufacturing methods employed then don't exist now nor do the engineers and technicians. It would probably be easier to do today than just 20 years ago with the advances in 3D printing removes the need for traditional machining.
