The Miserable Story of The Congo 

The Heart of Darkness was written as a novel, but meant as a documentary.

@@Yora21 Joseph Conrad, the author of Heart of Darkness, described Leopold's oppression of the Congo as "the vilest scramble for loot that ever disfigured the history of human conscience".

American Minister said Crimes against humanity?🤨🤨🤨, did they forgot the massacres of native Americans? or the bounties and hunting of Natives? or even the slavery in america? wtf🤨🤨🤨

@@HistoryNerd718 especially if the FRENCH and Russians call you out on going too far

@@skeletonjanitor The sad thing is King Leopold died totally unrepentant for what happened in his name. He insisted to his dying day that he was a humanitarian.

I think it'd be great grandparents now

Grand parents would be the post-WW2 part of their history. In other words, the best rulers they've ever had

It should be their great great grandparents I think

Replace grandparents with ancestors.

Doing based things.

"Orthodox muslim"? Was he born and raised by a muslim father and a christian mother?

@@MGharriy I don't know. I can only assume he was. His sister wore a hijab as well. He was very strict with keeping the tenants and once threw out an entire plate of good food because he found out spam had pork in it.

theres no orthodox muslim bud. if u meant conservative, they are just muslims who hold on to true teachings of islam. like every muslim should.

How's he doing

​@@moleedaboidied of starvation. Guess he shouldn't have disrespected spam like that.

It was done to promote European superiority . Can't let the Africans know that they were descendants of warriors , herders and had value outside of being a colonial subject.

@@manovrsb Pretty much this , there were so many things he got wrong about Kongo kingdom it felt like he just barely skimmed through a wikipedia article and went " AH ha ! *slaves* " take that africa ! "

@@manovrsb They were warriors and kangs and still got dominated for the rest of history. African superiority i guess.

@@zxylo786 And your (alleged) "master race" couldn't hold onto Africa, could they? Now your only option is to bribe African countries into providing you with the resources without which your "western civilization" wouldn't last a week. Quite pathetic.

@@manovrsb No offense but Europeans were superior, if they are able to make entire countries there personal property and the Africans cant do squat about it then I would call that superior. Europeans were also decedents of Warriors, herders, ect so I dont get the point of that part lol.

Yea exactly. All this thing about foreign imperialism & colonialism in Africa, it's just one of the MANY factors responsible for making African nations the way they are today. It also helps if people also stop speaking about Africa as if they're some monolith and every African wants the same thing lol and should unite. Egypt has different interests and relations than South Africa, Congo has different issues than Morocco, Madagascar has different priorities than Nigeria, etc. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

yup. on the other side of the world, colonialism is what make the current indonesia, malaysia, and philipine. without it, the malay archipelago would be divided into tens of small kingdoms/countries.

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 How did colonization benefit the native Americans ?

@@JcoleMc well, the ones that survive now enjoy the infrastructure, facilities, freedoms etc of the america government, so..

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 Not sure if that's to be counted as a plus though.

this makes me feel so much better!

Wow, they boo'd. What a courageous bunch.

I mean if I'm a dead monarch and I know my former subjects are booing me at my funeral, I'd just laugh from my grave if I can lol. That shit's hilarious.

@@mrgalaxy396 What else could they have done to show their dissaproval when there’s no pushing him out of his position of power with an election and you and your family are being exploited in a cotton or steel mill?

​@@mrgalaxy396what else do you expect them to do? There were attempts to pry away Congo from him that were supported by the population after all

Unfortunately most metrics predict such a rapid increase in population to bring even more suffering upon the good people of the DRC.

It all depends on if you will invest in the DRC

I hope all of africa changes for the better!

I hate Congo and I hate calling myself Congolese I'm so ashamed to

I honestly hope the best for your homeland, if you really have a lot of valuable resources, then a non-corrupt leader who let's people be rich and you guys becoming a fairly decent tradescountry could give a massive QOL increase

It did get mentioned, albeit unclearly at 2:03

I agree ethnically but I would argue the institutions of DRC are descended from the institutions of Kongo than any other pre colonial African state.

Based

Yeah, most of Kongo was in what is now northern Angola. Meaning, if you wanted to, you could say there are actually four Congos: DRC, ROC, Cabinda, and north Angola. That should tell you the scope of just how fucked up these borders are.

How can i trust anyone of you guys.

How much Is he old? Because the belgian are not there by a lot

@@jacopofolin6400 maybe legends of dog manhunters or belgian mercenaries using it. Let's remember the Belgians never truly abandoned Congo until recently

damn man, that sounds absolutely terrible is the your friend on a good situation rn?

@@HiimIny my friend is fine, he is from Europe (where I live), was born and raised there, to European parents. It is sad, what Europe did. We all deserve better leadership and better treatment.

@@jacopofolin6400 he is about 40.

Lol north African sitting in gold While the neighbors is on poverty

@@RuanthGrain wouldn’t really say in gold.

@@RuanthGrain sat*, ghaddafi wanted Africa to rise again so he funded African countries to make African union but they snapped his ass and took every thing north Africa had at the time , he wanted to unionize Africa and use a strong gold currency so the western world would bow down to Africa and Middle East for their resources, but the neo colonists ( western world ) didn't let that happen and call him a dictator and a tyrant

We North Africans might be richer than other African countries but we are still poor.

@@magicianslucky602 you believe a dictator ? i live in indonesia and my dictator (Soekarno) told the world indonesia is rich country and doesn't need American aid money While at the same time inflation in the country hit record high, we almost default on our debt to Netherland, unemployment skyrocketted

Are you still living there now?

It’s not as accurate as you think. So many things are left out. The Portuguese which were there prior to the Belgium and how lumumba who was at the forefront of our independence but killed by western powers. You don’t want me to continue. Our leaders after lumumba have all been western power puppets.

where do you live now :D

Feel the same :( hopefully our country shines again

The DRC is very pretty, you could probably acquire a great amount of tourism money by just making the congo rainforest more accessible.

You more what’s crazy Congo is the richest nation of earth comeing to resources

@@bootybanditforrest2396 European powers destabilization of the Congo, as its shown.

Zaire was the clear bad guy in that war too, they just couldn't help themselves from trying to fund Hutu death squads and provide them refuge

@@thekillers1stfan True, Mobuto was ass for funding Rwandan rebels. But even when he died, Rwanda and Uganda still messed around in the Congo, which led to conflict, which led to war.

The massive amounts of rich resources is why it happened

Human history according to who?! Congolese people have their own history, for them and by them.

What about antarctica?

@@nerdwisdomyo9563 I mean the amount of humans who have lived in Antarctica permanently is zero and it’s never had a proper civilization native to it so idk if it counts

@@Afrikolo Human history according to Human kind. That which we understand has happened in the past.

@@cyanideinmycereal1077 Human history for Africans began 240, 000 ago. The 40,000 years of that period Eurasians began to exist so speak about your Eurasian continent of origin instead.

bruh

Up to 10 million died under the Congo Free State. Those lives, those communities are forever gone because of the atrocities committed in that land. Even now, when they could use better relations, Brussels shoots them down? While I understand politics is a different game, that’s one of the most cowardly and vile reasons I have ever heard to not at least apologize as a European Nation that, by itself, has a GDP 10 times the size of the DRC with which it could possibly pay reparations.

That's kinda messed up that even a king can't even apologize by himself and is UNDER the government (who should allow this by virtue of freedom of speech IMO).

@@catandgrouper4760Governments will do anytging to not pay reparations. That's true for every colonial power. U.K commited many atrocities in the Indian sub-continent. . They gave nothing in return, only made everything worse by helping to split India on religious lines.Cauing millions to die, and radicalising everyone, which lead to causing the various country's stagnation. They also left so much infrastructure in both sides to become useless by splitting lines, railways, important ports, farmland, industries, etc in such a way, every country wouldn't be able to do function properly. They also made many exclaves, and enclaves. Example of Industries being untennable- Jute mills left in India, the vast majority of the jute producing area was given to Bangladesh.

That's messed up.

Not was …it is a very rich country

If he served then it means he also contributed to what has been happening, because the fact is, the UN's job is not to help the DRC, but instead to keep it on its knees..

no so fun fact, equatorial guinea has a coastline of 296 kilometers; and the drc has 37

It's tough to say, but maybe Congo shouldn't be one country. Maybe it should split apart, or join other neighboring countries.

@@shorewall people praise Patrice Lumumba so much but the dude was an idoit for pushing for a centralized government instead of a federation like other people wanted

Poland, and most of the rest of Eastern Europe: My history as a country is miserable, and my geography is really bad :( Kongo: You are like a little baby, watch this [tries to exist without being a radioactive dumpster fire, fails catastrophically and explodes]

@@dandarr5035 Stan nations:

It's always the same story for any country that is struggling economically. Corrupt leaders making bad decisions

Bolsheviks ruined russia

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Orc

how do they get nothing if their population is going to be 300 million. you sound rather bourgeoise

as the Congolese president of zaire said the congo will always be one country and saying it shouldnt be one country is pretty offensive to the congolese people.

@@Ben-ev5se Mobutu or the Kabilas never cared about anything other than their own enrichment and that of their particular tribes.

Im not saying they are good guys especially not mobutu But fact is the country was a lot better when they were in power because they at least tried to not listen to western leaders and get money in the country and dont mix the 2 kabila together one is a hero and martyr, the other is a thief

I think it's clear that centralization isn't the answer. It's the definition of insanity. They've literally tried that for most of their history. They should focus on decentralized, small rural communities instead.

@@AngryGeekling exactly

Before it was countryballs but I still don't know why he changed it

@@WhoopDeDooz5250 because it looks better imo

@@sala7tt I guess

I do like the animals over the boring countryballs, but I think he could still be a little more creative than just using animals

How cool, I love countries with national animals

Meanwhile Europeans sit in cafes, not wanting to pay reparations for what they did.

It doesn't surprise me at all. China has their hands in the economy of just about every country. The U.S. is so dependent on China and leadership that has vested interests in China that China has so much control. People don't realize that China is a major threat to the free world. They aren't doing it with brute force, they are taking over countries economically.

I'm pretty sure it's less scary than what europe did, but yeah, it's scary because they're the bad guys according to the west.

China is working with 15 African countries to build "transitional infrastructure" as far as the NEW generation of Africans in those countries are concerned.

China isn't colonising africa. You have no idea what you're talking about. Also china doesn't use corrupt to inherit africa unlike some western countries.

Was it that cold

That was ought to happen because the Congolese dictators all had wanted to feel how Leopold ll had felt and it had already become bad after Belgium left, so the latter dictators couldn't help but not share

His name was Joseph Mobutu

One could say the same thing about America's gang of corrupt, fascist televangelists :). Although I understand this nasty species is cropping up in Africa now too, the witch hunters in Nigeria are scary!

I guess they didn't really teach you about it in school history lessons? I'm British and we didn't really learn about all the atrocities committed in the name of the British Empire. As the video and several commenters here say it's not just the fault of us Europeans, and there is truth in that, but IMO our countries should be doing more to help and support African nations in their development if such help is wanted

He’s rotting in hell. That’s one thing for sure.

I don't think the Belgians had much love for him.

​@@user-jk8ur7sj3t for real

@@user-jk8ur7sj3t this is the thing. We don't associate with him. He owned Congo as private property, not Belgium or it's people. We never supported stuff like this and we never will.

It's very counterintuitive and reading the accounts of people who went through this is harrowing. It got so bad at some points that the Belgians would demand a quota of hands and their local lackeys would attack random villages to chop off as many hands as they could get, among doing other horrifying stuff. Other times the rubber quota would be set too high to be humanly possible and they'd take more hands for failing it.

If you research it further, the buckets they used to collect liquid rubber from trees were designed to rest on one's shoulders without help from hands.

@@Pumbli source for this?

@@immortalituss King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild was my introduction into what happened, can't recommend that book enough for anyone interested.

@@Pumbli its a captivating read, but also incomplete and outdated on some aspects

That one kid at school who had a traumatic early childhood and then made poor choices for themselves due to impulses based on it.

all human races evolved differently, by the time europeans had discovered africans, they hadn't even invented the wheel yet, while brutally enslaving and selling out their own people.

*adopted kid

A narc victim who still has to heal his wounds

I'd say the DRC is symbolic of the vast majority of Sub-saharan African countries. - always in conflict. Sometimes with foreign nations, but mostly with itself - rarely if ever able to get populations to work together towards common goals and a better country - people caring more about their tribes/friends/families more than they care about their nation - always impulsive and wanting everything right away even if it involves getting it with violence - always wanting power and control even when they're not educated and capable enough to weld it and as a result they wreck everything and make things worse - usually having leaders and governments in power who are incompetent/corrupt/self-serving and make things worse rather than guiding their nations to improvement and more prosperity

Ghana doesn't neighbor any strong countries so there are not a lot of relations of it to talk about. Well, any really exciting stuff at least. More so due to its stability.

Ghana is certainly doing well, but it's just because of oil and gold. of course if they use it well they'll really succeed like Norway or Oman. and idk if I'd be proud about beating Hungary or Serbia in corruption, it's certainly something, but that's still an insane amount of corruption. the location looks good and there doesn't seem to be a lack of water, plus the aforementioned electricity being present is very nice. problem is, that oil money is going to dry up eventually and the completely inevitable unrest in Africa is going to destabilize Ghana too as it'll be flooded with refugees etc. I think a country like Morocco will be in a much better position just because it has a massive desert separating it from the rest of Africa

@@eVill420 There are many oil and natural resource-rich countries that are not doing well. Also, refugees are only really a problem in a democracy. In any other system, they would just be given fewer rights until they integrate, with varying levels of integration fervour. Ghana just has to not be a democracy until the problem is over.

@@eVill420 I use hungry as an example because they have a gdp per capita of $15,000 dollars which is above the global average. Every nation I named is more corrupt than Ghana but their corruption did not stop economic growth, industrialisation or prevent high HDI scores. Why would the situation be any different for Ghana? First, Ghana makes more than twice as much from gold and cocoa beans as oil. It’s why they haven’t had a recession in decades but other oil producers like Nigeria have one whenever the market crashes. Second, you don’t understand the oil market. Oil is needed and irreplaceable for everything from plastics to farming to medicine. It’s not going anywhere. But the overall use will go down and so will the revenue. Third all that electricity isn’t just used for TikTok the auto industry in the country is taking off with Chinese and Europeans investing billions and the aluminium industry has received billions in investment. Finally, Morocco is more corrupt than Ghana. It’s a beautiful country, but they are a dictatorial theocracy with an anaemic economy long before corona and Ukraine. They have a water crisis, below replacement fertility, import much of their food from Eastern Europe, have a powerful & hostile neighbours with a larger population and are a dictatorship with an ageing dictator, and no real plan for succession. So good luck to them I guess. Finally would you like to elaborate on or back up your claim about the “inventible unrest that is going to destabilise Africa” preferably with your sources?

I find it sad how Hungary is so corrupt that it's people remain so hungary

Well they haven't been nuked, yet

I really hope your people will find their way. Hurts me to hear this.

My parents are Congolese and Angolan but I was born and raised in London. I'm always saddened by the history of Congo. It was nice to see your side of what Congo was like for you. I will be visiting there in a few weeks with my family for the first time too. :)

Kinshasa is a city of 10 million people. That is very impressive.

Hunting pygmy people for bushmeat? That's cannibalism! Someone needs to make a video report about that.

You're right I Googled Soukous music and my butt won't stop wiggling

Just brainlet moments 😏

They would learn from Europe's fuck up and just fill the country with Chinese and purge the unwanted. :)

Indian hates China because they are jelous.

Oh yea because it was the Chinese who exploited them gor the past hounderds of years and not the Europeans/Americans. Of course they will ask the Chinese and not the invading&colonizing Europeans/Americans who have been invading or bombing countries left and right unline China which didn't invade 1 single countty in 40 years.

@@revolter7094 China got invaded and razed for a century, yet they are now a massive superpower

Sure, because it might turn out for at least 1 province that is generally better

I think you've never looked at the ethnic map of the DRC or how the DRC actualy look like it's a mess.

the issue with very few more developed provinces is that it's impossible to fit all 108 million people into them

Some places don't want to be countries. Afghanistan is a great example. There is no national identity. It is mostly small villages and those small villages only care about themselves. There is nothing but the possibility of bad outcomes for them if they unite.

Africans usually do such a good job setting up federal democracies. Im sure that would turn out fine…

Lie

Nice to know your family had a chance in Portugal and Angola, my homeland.

If you do go back, do not stay there!! Come back and make a new beginning. A better future for yourselves. A new chapter. A new story.

It's a democratic(-ish) today. Most recent president was democratically elected I think.

@@trendymadness5159 Voter Fraud. Ever heard of it?

@@trendymadness5159 corrupted, don’t be fooled, they will pretend to be democratic for public eye dear

@@trendymadness5159 If you are electing people as representatives, that is a republic. Calling it a democracy is an elite mind control trick. The US is not a democracy, and not even a republic. The republic is contolled by billionarires.

What about North Korea?

Colonialism improved the place

@@sim9373loud incorrect buzzer

@@artthenecromancer404 before the Belgians arrived, they had no infrastructure of any kind. It was a loose amalgamation of Bantu kingdoms who traded mainly through slaving their fellow Africans.

@@sim9373 well yes because they weren’t one monolithic country, and never have been. Prior to the colonialists, 99% of the people there wouldn’t of called themselves Congolese. They were a bunch of different tribes and ethnic groups that shouldn’t of been forced into one super country for no reason other than slave labour. The ethnic tensions still fuck up the country to this day, and is probably it’s worst hinderance. go look up the amount of civil wars and convicts that stem from the stupid decision of forcing 250 different ethnic groups into one place.

@@artthenecromancer404 whether they weren’t ‘monolithic’ or whatever slick, retarded leftist talking points you have - it was a SHITHOLE. Then it was improved by Europeans and after they left, it once again reverted to a SHITHOLE. Fact.

They do that constantly and become the bullies

@@gothicfan52 isn’t that just any post colonial nation?

@@Hollows1997 did you watch the video? They had that in the pre-colonial era too

@@kenos911 yes I did. It’s kind of hard to stand up to themselves though…

It's gonna tale a lot more than that. They also need to have a more collective society as a whole, with solid education systems, and actual leadership with a transparent goal.

'Dutch Disease' certainly gets around.

Glad you enjoyed it!

You know that “dark past” has your country committing “crimes” that were physically impossible to commit, right? There weren’t even 15 million people in that area much less 15 million to be killed by so small a force. Stop being so easily lead - they tell you his to extort you out of money using your superior morality and sense of empathy.

@@NoahBodze I'm aware that I'm not directly responsible for it since I wasn't born, and the modern population shouldn't be accounted for what some of their ancestors did, in the same way that nowadays Germans shouldn't be blamed for the horrors of WW2. However I still think it's really important to talk, teach and be open about it. Make better people.

@@cdemr The point I’m making is that the land itself could not have supported even half of the people that were claimed to have been killed. Hunter gatherers require far more land just to sustain themselves. Don’t believe this hype because it’s physically impossible.

@@NoahBodze The exact number of people who have been killed, tortured, or enslaved doesn't matter, whether they were 250,000 or 10 millions, the point is the same. Mass horrors have been commited and it's crucial to cherish the memories of the victims, to remember what happened.

@@cdemr You know Kinshasa would not have been there if not for Leopold, right? You’ve got to read that book. Black Bantus have been slowly heading south in africa, committing the longest genocide in history. So many of the Africans killed in the Congo were by other Africans, who would either sell each other to Arabs or eat what was left. The early white explorers notic3d that the tribes they first met going upstream would nit be there months later, their villages destroyed by another tribe, Chances are the Dutch, and the colonizlaists in general, saved exponentially more lives than they didn’t. They partially stopped the genocide of the Hottentots, Khoi and San people’s, at least. The black Bantus killed each other through a migration and nearly wiped the bushmen off the map. Had Dutch and Portuguese not landed in South Africa, you’d never know those people ever existed.

cringe

@@thetaomega7816 wow! Omaygot Ambatukam.

These countries are exploited because they have weak and corrupt leaders so it's their own fault.

True.

I would disagree. If you’re talking about natural resources, this is somewhat true, but in terms of modern concepts of wealth, there are certainly poor countries. Wealth is not having a large quantity of arable land, it’s having the ability to create industrialized agriculture on that land. This is the same for gold, oil, or lithium. You are not wealthy simply because you have it in the ground, you are wealthy because you have the ability to harvest it. Most third world countries are poor because they do not have the ability to harvest their resources or benefit from their large populations. Often times, it is certainly true that local governments are very exploitative, but their exploitative nature actually diminishes the wealth of the country by not allowing education, free trade, and rule of law. These countries are poor because they are lacking the majority of what makes goods and labor actually valuable in the global market.

There isnt that much except for the north who had some form of advanced society the rest were either petty primitive kindoms and slave hubs or simple tribal societies.

I have a love hate relationship with african history because it makes me depressed to learn about all the suffering and slavery

Slavery isn't exclusive to just africa.

@@yobelmussie1730 when did I say that

@@ZatzoZimmerman i think he didn't answer to you

Sounds like a poem. It rhymes

Also be realistic. I would want congo to be superpower but it ain’t possible.

3 years is more than enough. by 2023 it will be done

mY iNdIa iJ sApUr PeWuR by 20251 !!!11111

@giga chaddi 🇺🇦 I don't speak whatever that language is, but ok.

congo is especially rapped by rwanda most of all

He wants to be an idiot and make it look like Europeans ( his people) have nothing to do with all of this mess.

Lmao Brazil pride

@@tinienteabanil2922 What LGBT section is this?

@@AshGamer007 lesbian, gay, *Brazilian*, trans

The video is literally about the most screwed up country in history and you make this comment

Wow I didn't know any of this. Anything else??

I knew about the EAC and potential EAF and that the DRC was looking to join but I didn't know they actually did join.

I'm Kenyan and really doubtful the EAF will ever materialize and form a country. Had they maintained the original 5 countries (Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi) and developed a state from there it would have worked since most of these core states save for Burundi are progressive by African standards with much in common. When they threw in failed states like South Sudan, DRC and now even Somalia has applied to join was basically like throwing a spanner in the works. These countries will basically suck the little resources meant to build a robust EAF. The EAC in a nutshell is just a smokescreen and conduit to skim resources from failed states like the DRC, South Sudan to the west/china through patronage/business networks and concerns based in Kigali, Nairobi and Kampala and enrich the powers that be in those respective regional capitals through regional business ventures. Cutting red tape to smoothen regional exploitation.

Idk i probably bet there is some asian in asia that know more about the European history

KhebrewEthics, Asar Imhotep, Christopher Ehert, Danjuma Behari... It's like a lot of youtubers feel they have to say Africa was bad before they got there like people are blaming them specifically. The Mbangala were the largest reason for the toppling of Kongo and they were not an ethnic group, but a former militarized group that became a war gang. And Portugal gladly used them.

Well you can only do so much when nobody bothers writting anything down

@@hrishabkumarsharma1355 it is written down

I don't think anyone can take the trophy away from The Central African Republic

Ah, so the West isn't so liberal after all.

But since Lumumba was a Communist, he would have killed many people, terrorised the population and run the economy to the ground. Ethiopia had a Soviet backed Communist regime and it ended up poor with millions dying from famines.

@@mudra5114 interesting piont. And yeah i dont know sadly not soon much about the mordern history in kongo. But to your theory: think about Mozambique. It was also sowjet backed and okay in my knowledge.

@@mudra5114 That was their democratically elected leader, unless you’re a psychic your comment is speculative bullshit.

When you say they are you referring to those who have excellent sense of smell?

due to corruption

And colonialism, imperialism, corruption

@@abcdefsas7107 mainly corruption and due to an none practical way of thinking

And also corruption

Marcos was a dictator, but economically he wasn't bad. The Philippine economy had almost similar GDP growth as the Republic of Ireland under Marcos. It was after the ousting of Marcos that the Philippine economy crashed. What ultimately destroyed the Philippine economy was restrictions on foreign investment that was implemented after Marcos was ousted. Foreign investors instead shifted their money to China and Thailand. This restriction was only recently repealed this year, 2022. Expect the Philippines to boom again like the Marcos era.

Pol Pot was quite horrible tbh but the worst part is that what he's done simply doesn't make sense, so all the sicrifices were in vain

@@jakobinobles3263 hahahaha. No. The french did not care, they took notes. Only the british cared, and by british I mean a couple british individuals, a few americans and a belgian. They kept poking the british government to ask questions to the belgian government and they ordered a report, but it was due to actions of prominent belgian opposition leaders that a final commission was put into place that finally ended Leopolds reign. The idea that all the other colonial powers were shocked by Leopold is an anglos/axon myth. The outrage was mostly in Belgium and the anglophone world, but not in france or portugal or germany. Again they were often just as brutal, but their crimes never made it to the anglophone world.

Pretty normal in the 1800s we were not as civilized as we are now

@@belstar1128 hmm, so that excuses it?

@@belstar1128 The residents of the Ukraine might beg to differ. And certainly the girls and women of Afghanistan. And the Yemenis, and.....on and on and on

Okay, tell me more. What is that movie?

Why?

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