@adamrakhadifa6933 Bardock time traveled and put the fear and legend in Friezas ancestor when he transformed in a SS. Goku is the first to ever achieve SS4 and SS3.
@ryandelarosa83 No Goku was holding back, lol. He was dicking around so much he lost energy especially after Baby amped himself even more. By going great ape. When he went full power ssj4 again (not the version against Syn so it doesn't Amp him), he literally no dif him.
@ryandelarosa83 And?? That's literally what I said. "He went went Full Power SSJ4 again." Anyhowbthis doesn't really say anything because it shows that a full power Goku (again not amped that was against Syn) could no diff a FAR STRONGER Baby who was amped. Goku was, without a doubt holding back the entire fight.
@@trevturp6891Goku has been known to be intimidated by massive power gaps from enemies with the intent to kill. Mainly looking at Ozaroo Vegeta back in the Saiyan saga. Goku ain’t a coward, but retreat isn’t always the cowardly thing to do. Especially if it’s to seize your only shot at winning (the Spirit Bomb).
They just kept repeating the same episodes over and over. DBZ added a saga after every rerun. But GT didnt. The government also took over the channel that broadcast it i think so it ceased to be and nothing dragonball related ever aired again. I think that was 2002. They canceled a lot of stuff around that time like cartoon network too a few years before.
Ssj4 goku didn’t fuck around with any enemy’s he killed them no hesitation that’s one reason why I love gt because goku had that killer instinct instead of this passive shit he does in dbz dbs
Yet still struggled against Super baby Ozruo Vegeta and Omega Sheron. Bro just stop, Super Saiyan 4 isn't even a form. Even Pan could achieve this form simply by having a tail and going super Saiyan in Ozruo form. It what?? Have them maybe like 4 power boosts with a cooler look? Thank God it isn't cannon 🥱
@Opp611 look, if Super Goku could take a fight seriously without needing his whole family dead, I'd change my tune. As it is, I only watch Super for Vegeta. Sorry bud.
@Havok91 I mean goku in z took the fight seriously when krillin died then in the buu saga he took the fight seriously when his family died then in super he fought beerus so earth wouldn't be destroyed then in the top he fought in the tournament so his universe wouldn't get erase
Idc what anyone says about GT, it progresses power better than SUPER Baby isn't just strong because hes the next villain, Baby is strong because of Vegeta, Baby went around Possessing everyone until he found someone strong enough. The earlier villains of the show were weaker but that's fine because they had Teen trunks, Kid Goku, and 9 year old Pan, so weaker enemies were fine
Baby possessed Vegeta after Trunks and Goten, and continued to possess people, building his power in a way, unlike other villains. I really like him as an antagonist, because almost everything about him would make him appear as an 'anti-saiyan'. Honestly one of the best things about GT. General Rilldo was also a cool villain too. Shame they didn't use him more.
@@Kamesaiyan I prefer SSJ4 over what Dragon Ball Super provides. GT has better power scaling, transformation designs, and some cool villains. Baby, General Rilldo and Syn Shenron.
@@psycake1310 may be but ultra instinct and mui is a very awesome form it just looks too perfect, super character has also very unique designs in male jiren,beerus,whis,hit etc In female some of the members from tournament of power there design was also unique
It's moments like these where im convinced Goku becomes slightly evil whenever he goes SSJ3 and SSJ4. The way he looks and acts in both transformations gives you that "well that villian is fucked" feeling and it makes me wonder if he's aware when this happens.🔥
Theory is Goku is more in lines of being Kakarot, he always repressed his inner saiyan because he only wants to be known as Goku from earth and not a saiyan warrior. But those higher lvl transformations brings out his natural instincts and thats why he seems more cold and mature.
What evil. Just because Goku smiles on a punch that is not evil that is swagger. Evil is killing the innocent. Maybe if he kicked Pan and stomped her head for fun then you can say that is a little evil.😅
@@hamhockbeans Thing is a Saiyan's true nature is evil, it was never good to begin with. This is why he was never able to ride nimbus anymore as he was no longer pure after unlocking SSJ. So tbh whenever he enters forms such as SSJ3 or SSJ4 you can tell he's in link with his Saiyan heritage more and he comes off way more intimidating and dangerous based off his behaviour changes in those forms even if it's by a little bit. And to note, Goku isn't the type to act swagger or cocky but we've seen other saiyans do this because they're more in link with their Saiyan heritage than Goku (especially Vegeta). And these behaviour changes also happened with Gohan on 3 diff occasions such as Cell fight after achieving SSJ2, Buu arc when facing off with Super Buu and DBS Super Hero when he unlocked Beast. So yeah imo it's definitely their inner evil being released even by a little and tbf it makes it unique because we get a small portrayal of how they'd behave IF they were to be the bad guys instead of good.
@@rbacon8922Gohan and Goten could ride the nimbus after unlocking SSJ so that argument makes no sense. And if a Saiyan's nature is evil what about characters like Tarble or Gine. Super Saiyan forms do not change how evil you are just how aggressive
@@lancekemal8989 "Argument makes No sense" Lmao now here's where you messed up, you forget that Goten and Gohan are literally hybrids and not full blooded saiyans and it's their human nature and emotions that make them outclass full blooded saiyans. Saiyans true nature is evil, Hybrids actually have human passions and emotions which grants them higher potential which is why Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Hybrids in general can surpass Goku and Vegeta with minimum effort and why they don't share the same passion for loving to fight. It's their human nature that allows them to be able to ride nimbus even after unlocking SSJ while full blooded saiyans are simply saiyans with 1 nature. So yeah, it's your argument that makes no sense.
I really like GT. The screenwriters did a great job deciding that Goku would become an adult again and somehow dispel Shenron's speel which made Goku a kid. Also, that ability of Goku to fade in and out of space like that may be some kind of time traveling power. SSJ Blue has some time traveling power according to King Kai. Goku confessed to King Kai that he used some time traveling power during his first fight with Hit.
I've always remembered this scene because Goku is the type to get a huge power up and still be humble enough to say "I'm surprised at how strong I have become" instead of "I'm surprised at how weak you are" EDIT: Typo Corrections 😅
The only reason it’s not as serious is to be more entertaining for the younger generation. Same reason they reverted a bunch of characters back to the way they were or worse. So that way they’d be more entertaining while being more childish.
@@brendanjohnson8979 I don't understand why they need to do this. I personally started watching db at like 3-4 y/o with DBZ Kai back in 2010, db gt and read some volumes and these aren't as childish as super and I didn't understand most of it but I sure liked it so much that I today am a hardcore fan
a very very small minority dislikes ss4 that's it, you almost only see people liking ss4. SS4 is the best treated form in DB as UI ha been degraded in the manga and ultra ego was a flop, ss4 gets thing done
The voice Schemmel used for SSJ4 Goku was PERFECT. Deep, serious, primal. It was the sort of voice that someone ready to fight would hear and second guess starting said fight with someone.
Say what you will about GT, SSJ4 had a PRESENCE about it. It was visually appealing to see on screen, it was new and different compared to SSJ 1, 2 AND 3. It changed Goku and Vegeta's Behavior. SSJ4 Gogeta is one of the best designs for Dragonball as a whole. Ultra Instict owes all its success to SSJ4 simply for being a new transformation that differs from the typical SSJ and furthermore altered Goku's entire demeanor and fighting style. Where did we see this before? SSJ4.
I feel like super saiyan 4 is very underrated. Not because DBGT was a weird show but somehow I felt like DB super didn't want this transformation to come back.
WTF? how would it come back if it isn't canon? How would It come back if Super takes place BEFORE end of Z ? How would it come back if the writers such as Toriyama and Toyotaro wasn't even part of GT? How would it come back when GT series didn't even finish and was canceled after 60 or so episodes? Etc
Considering Toriyama stated in an interview that even though he didn't write GT it's still cannon, but another universe(probably one of the once that had already been destroyed due to DBZ simps) cause the universe itself is never refered to again. As such SSJ4 is cannon, but fanboys can't handle that. They can't even handle that Goku has been a goofy with a lack of brain cells his entire adulthood. When in reality the only time he uses his brain is during fighting. That's how he's written in Japananese as a stupid, goofy character, that can't think properly. The same way he is in Super. Unfortunately American children's TV wanted to turn it into a super hero Manga/Anime and changed hoe he walks talks and acts.....
Now fanboys that has either not read the manga, only read it in English or only watched the ENGLISH Anime. And not watched any interviews with Toriyama. Think they know better than anyone else..... And don't even get me started on all the stupid lore that's been added during interviews..... Including the famous S-Cells...... TORIYAMA is/was not a god of writing Manga/Anime. But I respect the hell out of him regardless.... Toyataro on the other hand can go suck my 15 inch flag pole
@@drakthorianakatzaphquiel455Disagree. Read the DBZ manga. Goku was calculating and intelligent with anything combat related, he was the one they always cried out for help, the man who knew what to do in the face of serious threat. He always knew what was best when it counted the most. They made him completely stupid in Super and retconned and rewrote his character to contradict what he already learned and did in Z, like not knowing meditation in Super when he was meditating all the way back in OG Dragon Ball as a kid.
@@karabunga8088 Well... I wasn't talking about the way Goku was Written in SS4 in GT. For me Goku in DBZ or GT looks The same. I was actually talking about the Transformation Looks and Design which.... seems like it didn't make much sense to me based on its true origins which I guess... Toriyama might have ignore it in DB super for that specific reason. To be honest I grew up Watching DBZ only but when I saw GT and I saw Goku turning in Super saiyan 4 based on Looks.... I felt like Goku was no Longer Goku. He simply looks like a Random Saiyan monkey with no name. I know it may symbolize Wukong but somehow it seems out of place.
