This game writing was so strong that its affected every subsequent playthrough for me in a way where I cannot in good conscience play as low honor arthur. Ever
I’m low honour Arthur atm and loving it! Did a 100 percent high honour run when the game came out but tbh this low honour run has been so much more memorable and enjoyable! Arthur and antagonise are a chefs kiss together 😂
It's possible the doctor still believes in the miasma theory of disease and is using the tobacco smoke to "cleanse" himself, just like how he washed his hands right before lighting the pipe. Miasma theory was a long lasting belief that disease was caused by bad smells, so many people would burn tobacco or other herbs thinking the strong smell would overpower the disease smell and protect them from infection. Germ theory was put forward around the middle of the 19th century and essentially proven correct before the end of the century, but it took decades to be universally accepted.
High Honor: The news is a total shock, but his memories are filled with comfort. People are rooting for him, he feels shocked, but warm, as he has a goal to accomplish. Redemption, for it is possible for him. His head held his head high, as the deer comes and it isn't threatening, in fact isn't afraid of Arthur at all as it stares at him, dead in the face. Low Honor: Another bad day. A bad day in a string of horrible bad days. The news is a shock, yes, but it's hardly surprising to him. He thinks of the gang, and it's finality, how it's all falling apart and everyone's just waiting on it with anticipation. And perhaps, how much he's loathed as a Savage that needs put down, just like the rest of the gang. The world is dark, gloomy, and at the end of a road, a lone fox searching for food along the ungiving stone road keeps their body frame low and to the ground as they look at Arthur. They're afraid, and they rush off much faster than Arthur can catch up.
Nah I think it’s the same regardless. Arthur’s not in shock bc he’s literally been sick since the start of Guarma, he knew whatever it was it wasn’t good and it was only getting worse as the days went on. Idk why people act like high honor and low honor are different characters when they’re really not, it’s just 2 sides of Arthur much like anyone else really, nobody is completely good or bad we’re all grey
I just finished the game last week never thought a game character would make us so emotional. I stopped playing after Abigail moved in the new land. Couldn't bare Arthur's death and now john ? I just don't want to witness another death.
Low: a man who gets the fate that he deserves High: a man who realizes that there was always kindness inside of him l, even if he could only see it in his final moments
Well i dont think Arthur was always a good man i don't think he was a bad man but just a man stuck doing bad things but i think seeing everything in his life go down hill causes him to finally do good things and try be a good person
Dude, Arthur was a bad man. He's doing a "Breaking Bad" shit, but reverse. Thats why has more sense playing with low honor til this moment. Arthur WAS a BAD MAN. "REDEMPTION"
I never really gave two sh1ts about John...but Arthur? No matter how many good deeds I did, my dude Arthur deserved better, and Micah's punishment was never satisfying enough.
One other thing I think arthur is supposed to start of abit bad and corrupted then get better in the end. As theres challenges which earn you special clothes. But you have to do bad things and be a bandit to unlock them. And also get really drunk as arthur then walk around insulting people.😂 you dem bstrd if you care to much about the low honor you miss out on so much fun. You lot should goto emerald ranch. Climb up the water tower. Its next to the big water tower. Jump of the top aim for the water tower funny af
Neat thing I learned from the symbolism in this game. Stags and Coyotes are heavy symbols of morality and the afterlife in some Native American cultures
@@jakomioftherose2434 Coyotes are the easier ones, they're trickster spirits, curses, meaning if Arthur sees one he's on a path towards damnation. Stags on the other hand are a titch more esoteric. Stags represent justice, truth, honor and other concepts, mind you people's of the first nations don't nessecarily define those concepts like Europeans do, but Arthur seeing a stag means that no matter what he's on the right oath towards redemption
@@ProboscusMonkeI was a bad Arthur, even while trying my best to not kill beyond what was needed, paid off whatever i got in after any mission, was neutral
A fun fact as well coming from a native american from the Umatilla region (northeast Oregon): The stags in our culture were actually either a man or a woman who gave themselves unto Creator (our form of 'god' essentially) in order to breathe new life into the world in the form of Deer, rabbits, and other animals. So the portrayal of the stag in rdr2 being high honor is actually in line with indigenous beliefs. The coyote is also in line with the stories they were given. The coyote is seen as you described a trickster, curses and generally seen as bad omens due to them being primarily scavengers in the area i live in. So not only did the rdr2 devs have an incredible story, but also accurately portrayed my culture in a respectful and meaningful way.
Oh wow that’s beautiful and very cool! I’m not Native but as a spiritualist me and mine also call Them “Creator,” or just “Spirit.” Can you tell more of your Creator, or point me where to look to learn about your people’s take on Them? :)
In 1914 if Arthur Morgan was alive he would still be in hiding living in a Forrest by a waterfall in a steady home married to a wonderful lady with a baby daughter as a lumberman for a living.
@@kirklynncentore532 He's a lumberjack and that's ok. He sleeps all night and he works all day. He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps He likes to press wild flowers He puts on women's clothing And hangs around in bars
Mir first playthrough I was low honor for this scene, but started being high honor and ended with the high honor, saving John ending. That feels like the most natural and canon playthrough ino
Finished my second play through yesterday with high honor, and the end is so much more memorable to me than my low honor play through. I was stunned time after time as it got close to the end. And the final scene just changed everything for me. I can't do low honor again.
RDR2 is masterpiece into every possible way.I am on my 3rd playthrough and this game still amaze me. There is nothing i can compare with RDR2 and i am 44 years old man.
The same thing happened to me but with Fallout 3 I wanted to play as evil but I couldn't anymore. I think the same thing would happen to me in this game
His walking away is how I felt after my mother passed with stage four cancer. 10 days.... diagnosis to death. Then on my way to pay for the funeral home arrangements I blew a right front tire on the Glen Jackson Bridge. Paid. Got home nor two hours later my dog had a stroke. Died the next day. Crazy how life is and how I can relate to this beautiful game.
@lst8185 We walk to carry on. The weight on one's shoulders has to be stronger than a true man's supporters. I have to be there for my family. My wife... sisters... my kids... it's been a month since my mothers passing, like Arthers haze it goes away. True men carry on.... some crumble. It's a mans six shooter roulette. True Men choose not to give in to the triggers pull.
Im so sorry Leo. My dads wife got diagnosed with cancer too, but at the time they found out it was too late, it had spread to far, both lungs and the lymf-nodes (i think is the right word) This was in october 4 years ago and in february she was gone. But my gosh 10 days, i cant imagine...And then your dog, life is a b*itch sometimes to say the least. But I agree with the expression "f*ck cancer" since its such a creepy desease and you can feel just fine until its really too late. Anyways i hope you stay strong and cheers from Sweden! 🍻
I will always remember that scene. Was being diagnosed with MS when I was playing RDR2 and it made me really emotional. All time favorite game, incredible story, gameplay and was able to relate to main character.
@@Xiter2024 Yeah well i am too then, im 48 and this and the first the last of us are the 2 games that really have made me feel really connected to characters and story. This on the other hand is the best game i have ever played, period, cheers!
@@bootleg6477 Haha ok, and who says you cant do both? For example both Hollow and theradbrad have families and can still game. But whatever, its just me and my apartment here so i can game all i want, i dont need to "take care of" anyone (except my parents, which i do when needed)
my personal head canon is that the proper and intended story the developers wanted you to follow was a low honor playthrough, up until this scene. once arthur realizes he doesn't have the same time left he thought he did, he gains a new outlook on life and tries to right his wrongs. he then learns that there are some wrongs you just can't make right, but he still tries his best to make the most of the time he has left.
@@gladeateor1950 I don't think the OP took that into consideration, most people are upset because Arthur died young by today's average life expectancy.
See, the moment that made me cry in this game (multiple times) is when high honor Arthur goes to confront Dutch and Micah and the gang. To see someone who was RAISED into a bad situation, only to redeem himself AND THEN get hit with the "he's going to die, and there's NOTHING you can do about it," you cry like a BABY the first time you see it. NOBODY can spend 100+ hours on a character and NOT be attached.
@@Rastajevoonce you've reached the stage Arthur was at during this scene you will, without fail, die without antibiotics. Dry weather would've only slowed his decline. The only way Arthur could've been saved after meeting Downes would've been to immediately move to somewhere dry and for him to relax as Tuberculosis isn't actually fatal until a certain point. The reason Arthur's tuberculosis progressed really really fast because he was constantly under physical strain throughout the course of the story. He gets tortured by Colm, he gets shipwrecked on Guarma, He gets shot at constantly and has to run etc. Plus he's a smoker which exacerbated it.
In 1943 a treatment was discovered someday we the world will see cancer as an illness of the past. Every day in this world, someone gets a diagnosis that changes everything. This game showed some that touching another life has consequences, be always of high honor.
The fact that in my first playthrough i always got the coyote vision, without being low honor, but when my arthur died, it was so beautiful i started sobbing, seeing the coyote and approaching the end of the game you always see the coyote and the entire game is a saddening grey and cold colours. but when i died i saw the deer and my game as i lived the last moments of arthur turned a beautiful yellow and warm colors, it's like arthur saw the good in him before dying, the beautiful colours of the life he craved for. Yeah it still make me tear up to this day.
I finished the main game for the first time a few days ago and I did it high honour whereas after the prologue I will specifically do low honour things to see the difference.
@@ItachisOnly1 it kind of just turned out that way, in the beginning of my playthrough I messed around a lot and my ended up causing my honer to plummet. I eventually tried getting my honor up but i kept messing up and getting set back, and just ending up with a really neutral honor.
When I first saw Arthur coughing it confused the heck out of me I was riding my horse and it suddenly stopped and Arthur started to cough and he fell off…. Then my step mom told me Arthur “may” die and that gave it away….
Yeah im on my third playthrough and still find things/places i havent seen before. Can be just a smaller place for example that i just find really beautiful or interesting. I can say this is the game ive taken most screenshots from without a doubt
I was low honor when I first started. Took a break for a few years, and went high honor a free talking to the nun. She really made me want to do better
I tried playing low honor as John and it was kinda fun and I thought it wouldn’t matter much since I finished the game but it gave me a horrible feeling and somehow made me feel like a horrible and cruel person outside of the game so I just couldn’t do it
Exactly. A lot of people say they play high honor Arthur but low honor John. The entire point of Arthur's sacrifice was for John to get out of the criminal lifestyle and change his ways, living a normal life with his family. To play low honor John in either RDR game is making Arthur's sacrifice mean nothing.
@@StarwayBunnythen you realize it’s just a video game and the story doesn’t factor in all the people John can kill in the epilogue without consequences
I really like how the doctor's glasses are reflecting the glare so we can't see his eyes as Arthur leaves. I've always thought it was super cheesy when the glare on glasses covered the eyes in anime but for whatever reason I think it works really well here.
After all these years and this game still amazed me with all these new details even after 100 hours poured in . I guess i really need to replay this game more. How can i experience all these things by my self
The first time I was playing and I went through this I was a bad man but then after the flashback words I became a better man and died the high honor way
This blew my mind I never realized until I watched this I had low honor through my play through but by the end of the game and after I saw this scene I ended the game with high honor endings, which just fits so poetically with the ending line of “I tired, in the end, I did”
You know this part made me tear up, but what really got me was when Arthur was sitting with Sister Caledrón at the train station and he said he was afraid.
bro this mision hit me because i remember some feeling about dispair and start walking to nowhere with a lot of shiet in my mind. i think they capture the scene verry well
It breaks my heart to say this but him getting The sickness was one if the best things that could’ve happened to him. He started changing his life around and Helped out people, did good for the time he had left. He got his redemption
Tears ran down my face first playthrough. Suddenly the gradual worsening cough made sense, and realizing this wasnt gonna have a happy ending nomatter what.
The first time I played this game I had really low honor, but it was cutscenes like this and other parts of the game where I actually turned that around and had a complete redemption, just like the title! Also last time I played this game it was 2020, and now that I'm older, this scene feels way more depressing. You can see the fear in Arthur's eyes at the doctors
I just realised that at this moment, I was at low honour. But I saw the sun shining and the deer. I was at the brisk of getting shot by that RAT in the head. Those final good deeds saved me from lifetime trauma❤
Whenever i play as arthur, i help anyone I can and do high honor For john? The opposite because i can always just pay off the bounties and get my honor up
I actually had a lower honor and got the grey walk (and for most of the game I was neutral, but some situations kept coming up causing my honor to lower), I truly am happy that I was able to end the game in high Honor and get that visual with the deer as it made me feel as though I had done good.
This scene right here hit me, how empty the “busy” street is and walking alone on the path for an elegant deer cross Arthur’s path and for him to stop and stare at the event unfolding, the deer then roamed away and when I turned around the busy people of Saint Denis once again flooded the streets as if they were never gone and I was washed away by the sea of pedestrian traffic. Was it a dream or a miracle I wondered? I’ll never forget that moment
i finished my 2nd playthough, 1st time i didnt know i got the low honor ending until my friend told me about the deer in between chapters. I cried like a baby when i got the high honor ending
The first time I played the game I got the low honor cutscene, and when I saw that wolf at the end of the road. I knew I had to change what I was doing and this was a sign that the game was telling me
For me this cutscene was the pivot point and make me whant to get higher honour, it was so important in the gameplay that I believe that I wouldn’t enjoy the final redemption as much
I never thought about this but the probably programmed alot kf different scenarios eith the animal you see depending on ehixh way you walk from the doctors
I was low honor through n through. Maybe a few times I tried correcting Arthur's ways, but folk wouldn't stay out of the way. Its a hard ways to go walking the straight n narrow, and not everyone is up to it.
See I’ve never played the game but something that stresses me is it seems if you get in an unwanted confrontation, there’s no way to just end the fight without killing your opponent. Is there a way to diffuse fights in this game?? I’ve also noticed all you have to do is stand NEXT to someone for too long before they draw a gun you 😭
I feel the best thing to do for Arthur is to start off with low honor until you get to the doctor’s office and the news breaks. Afterwards, you do everything you can to be a better person.
Even if you have low honor till chapter 3 or 4, you can still make it to the high honor ending. Greet everyone you meet,donate the money in the camp, there'll be 2 debt missions, cancel the debt, and give them some money that should help ❤
"Fable 2" had a great system of good or bad honor where depending on it changed your appearance, bad honor gave you horns while good honor gave you a halo
I had low honor when I played this scene my first playthrough and then I saw that wolf almost like death telling me that I’m running out of time and so I went on to be as good as possible until I got the high honor ending. I feel like that’s the best way to play it.
Those are two different faces. One is "I wasted my entire life making people suffer,what was the point of it?" And the other is "I tried to be a good man. Why did i bother?"
For me this scene hit extra hard because I had done the stranger encounter where you take the feller to get his leg sawn off, so my Arthur already had a relationship and a rapport with this Doctor before he came in. It wasn't just a random city Doctor at a walk in clinic telling him he's sick, it was a guy he trusted and already saw firsthand save somebody's life. I had no problem handing him the cash, and took him at his word for everything. There's no getting around the fact Arthur is sick, and in this era, he's gonna die. Part of me hoped going in there was some super ultra secret ending where Arthur could retire and settle down with Sadie or Mary off someplace far away from the events of the first game. But as soon as I heard those words "You've got tuberculosis." I knew there was no getting out of this for him. There was no happy ending.
