The Moment The FNAF Timeline BROKE 

Honestly it never was the gameplay that kept people playing as much it was mostly the game's lorebits that was edging us from the truth.

I can't wait for that book about phone guy. He's been with the company since the beginning.

Listen, I accepted that first point about FNAF, and I thought it was as bad as it could get. Then Hazbin officially came out-I appreciate the show for what it is, both as an indie project that smashed down walls just as FNAF has, and someone hauling together a story when you get half your episodes cut-and the lore drop that is “Hell _only_ modernized in the last seven years,” combined with a “this is why you don’t trust musical theater nerds and animators with what amounts to magical realism and science fiction via a religious allegory lens” has driven me _bonkers_ . FNAF might have a broken timeline, and some piece of lore that are infuriating, or missing. Hazbin? Hazbin’s entire magic system has fallen apart because of a misunderstanding of how modern tech both works, and evolved. To the point where if you actually try to follow the logic given to you by the show, the _concept of time itself_ actually gets removed. Like… I do _not_ know how to fix that. They’ve handled it sort of-the fat-cat capitalists nightmare _is_ only in the Vee’s turf-but still. As much as we rib FNAF for Faz-Goo and Sea Bonnies, at least it’s wacky sci-fi nonsense that tries to justify itself, especially because Fazbear Inc (in all business incarnations) seems like it’s just a completely unhinged company, who _would_ and does, disregard all concept of safety and QA testing. I don’t think the fundamental “magic” of souls possessing wires and circuitry boards and who knows what else, has actually been broken by the lore. At least, not to the point of making me (someone with a degree in history and English/creative writing) want to hunt Scott/Steelwool down and apply for a job to just… make sure the research got done right and remained logical in the context of “all modern phones and WiFi and basically everything, functions off of radio waves and anyone with a brain knows that someone with complete control over that medium is going to be one of the most powerful things in the story, outside of a Deus Ex Machnia of a cheat code character.” I’ll take FNAFs relative inconsistencies any day over the missing internal logic of other media.

NNO

phone guy is purple guy. i have seen it.

is this comment a theory? if it is im not sure i can get behind it.

René Descartes Moment

Reminds me of that uncrackable code that people spent so long trying to find the answer they started working out if it was even solvable to begin with

"We're reaching levels of FNAFdom that shouldn't be possible."

This is a level of meta that I dont think I can handle on a monday morning.

im pretty sure scott had the lore in mind for the first game, but since it got popular scott had too add on more because he didnt know it was going to be this popular, and had to add on more lore for the next game and the next since it was so sudden

Not just regarding the timeline, but also HUGE chunks of the lore. Like Cassidy being the Vengeful Spirit, he just throws random stuff out there and waits for theorists to combine them for him. Then he either goes with the most popular theory to pretend it's exactly what he had planned, or debunks it to pretend the actual explanation is far more complex and mysterious.

Hell he changed the lore between teasers Remember the 87 code

The first game took inspiration from that chuck e cheese murder irl for sure, with some extra bits mixed in to give it more life. Scott never expected it to get popular, and there wasn’t much deeper lore written. FNaF 2 was where he started to expand and write some proper lore, followed by FNaF 3, with the end goal of revealing after FNaF 4 that all the games have been the twisted dreams of a bedridden child with serious mental issues. Dream theory was true at the start. Due to the popularity of the games and the bad reaction to dream theory as it started to be proposed, he had to course correct and make everything not just dreams. Which created additional issues.

@@jmurray1110more of a red herring I think

i think he has ideas at this point. they are just very very far off.

I have a theory that this whole series can be solved when you take religion into account. Scott is a devout Christian and after reading the books, I'm pretty sure God plays a role in this series. The amount of times where a character goes to a pastor to talk about whats happening, is a little much. Souls, are very important in the fnaf lore and, I think William is stuck in some hell of his own creation, where he is punished to live the murders he committed every single day. I kinda feel like Scott is pulling a Butch Hartman on us.

@@BenjaminBox if Hell is the fnaf universe then that’s a pretty good motivator to get to heaven 😂

@@BenjaminBox i mean UCN is technically just springtrap/ William afton in his own hell reliving everything in a constant loop

@@ParanoidHunters yea, I also kinda think he had to many ideas over the years, wich lead to the story’s being a little spread out and complicated. Also think it gets hard over time to constantly continue one storyline without adding new and out of the pocket stuff. No matter what I’m always open for it 🤷‍♀️❗️

Maybe that's why Matpat leaves RU-vid.

@@eggburn3r how does that make sense?

@@somerandomdude8837 Dude, I've just said it, it's not very based. I've just think that Matpat is known for FNAF for most part and the recent are not as good as Fuhnuff ones and the idea blinked in my head to write this reply. But if you were to ask me seriously, I'll not said that.

​@@eggburn3rAre you joking fuhnaff has not a one good theory💀 ​

@@Dolphin2048 👍

Would be kinda nice but not sure they would sell well as just being better versions of the originals and VR versions.

@@ParanoidHunters The games are simple enough that I don't think it'd cost much to remake them, and even then FNAF is still a money printer so I don't think it'd be a big problem to make a small side project at a loss. FNAF 6 and UCN are both free, for example.

Yea but there’s already rtx and 4k remakes like mods 💀

@@fewkeyfewkey5414 yea but it's not about mods or 4k remakes, I think this remastered version should strictly focus on cleaning the timeline and lore first and then any 4k graphics and whatnot

@@KKara268 alr now that’s fairly reasonable and something I can agree with

The new games barely touch on the actual lore of the first few entries, outside of randomly throwing detail-wrenches backwards every so often; and considering the way the new lore is only getting more obtuse and stupid I doubt he learned any lessons whatsoever

@@dr.archaeopteryx5512 the old lore is kinda tuff to work with i think. were lucky he didn't just reboot it.

@@ParanoidHunters unlucky*

We've thought he has a definite plan for years. I enjoy this franchise a lot, but Scott very clearly makes his lore reactively instead of proactively. He pretty much does the opposite of the George R. R. Martin advice from that one video where he talks about fan theories. Edit: George R. R. Martin, got him and Tolkien mixed up again, lol. Also reworded stuff a bit.

yes but that's what makes the franchise unique and long lasting, imagine if we solved 100% with perfect details and no margin of error everything in the story. It would be so boring this would have ended like at fnaf 3 at most.​@@themc3140

That would be extremely lazy writing. Actually... Scott does that already. So maybe it could be true lol

dont watch the movie looper

I've honestly thought for a while that fnaf should've done something similar to Zelda/Fire Emblem, where each few games takes place in a different timeline/world, especially while scott was still making the games. That way, the series could go full-on Sci-Fi mode without effecting the more grounded entries (And getting lore through chuck e cheese-themed goosebumps books and mobile games with stuff like liberty chica would sting just a little less.)

I have a theory that this whole series can be solved when you take religion into account. Scott is a devout Christian and after reading the books, I'm pretty sure God plays a role in this series. The amount of times where a character goes to a pastor to talk about whats happening, is a little much. Souls, are very important in the fnaf lore and, I think William is stuck in some hell of his own creation, where he is punished to live the murders he committed every single day. I kinda feel like Scott is pulling a Butch Hartman on us.

I mean help wanted 1 said that the early fnaf games WERE IN UNIVERSE GAMES. If that is to be believed, you could count that as a seperate timeline.

Yes I’ve literally had this exact thought

Something something blow my whistle baby something

Idk how 300+ people are that cuz he really doesn’t. And a younger version? Come on be realistic

And I love it

@@deathmauler181 yea lol

the game is real. wait...

i think the value comes from the games cause the community dies down with slow releases

Could be related to Happy Frog

That’s her brother. The one that killed William Afton and any poor sap that worn him in fnaf 3. Who will take names for himself. But lacks the skills to be William Afton himself. Remember that in the frights books, Charlie defeated “William Afton” by comforting him. And “William Afton” was the one making Andrew a vengeful spirit against his supposed body in the room story. We’ve seen in the pit book, that if a rabbit imposter wanted to be William Afton, they could. While the real one is doing something else or trapped.

He owns 2 bunkers one being a Giant laboratory and the other whole underground hause. Yea i don't think ditophobia is intended to be a explanation for fnaf 4. William is a co owner of freddys but i doubt that he has that kind of money to be able to do that.

I came into the comments just for this point. not the video game Fallout, but the concept. 1983 is still the Cold War. the underground bunker could have been built anytime before that because underground bunkers were things being built since the nuclear weapons and nuclear war became a threat. Afton could have bought it, bought it and added on, or have it built himself in case of nuclear war then used it for FNAF stuff

I always found it weird how people assume he built it in the first place. I just always took for granted that he had a bunker under his house

@@vinwritten Closer, but not quite. My personal opinion is that it's simply a Basement/Workshop of the Fredbear's location. They'd been there for years likely, they had to design and build the Animatronics SOMEWHERE, and the Parts and Service only seems to be more for Immediate Repairs/replacements, not so much an Animatronic Workshop. It'd explain why there's presumably a Prototype Springlock, and why the location existed before 83, as for why it has Funtime-specific design elements? It was definitely Expanded outward, i think even Help Wanted implies it's been built out even FURTHER since Sister Location...

here's my timeline. there's robots. maybe...

And maybe.. just maybe.. they kill children.. maybe ​@@ParanoidHunters

And maybe possible the robots are possessed by dead children... maybe

and maybe... just maybe... theres an actual killer... maybe

Only way to solve it is to get rid of Security Breach.

I agree. It also got me 😂

mattpatt everyday

i agree. that coin is from 1983. not was only made in 1983. but then again these places only open for like a few weeks and shut down so eh?

@@ParanoidHunters >but then again these places only open for like a few weeks and shut down so eh? Actually, that's only Sister Location, FNAF 2, and FNAF 3. Fredbear's was likely successful and ran for several years, although we dont know the EXACT opening/closing dates (Could be 1983 due to the Bite and/or Charlie's death, or 1985 with the MCI). The MCI Location (also FNAF 1's) ran for at least 2 years without incident before the MCI forced it to shut down. FNAF 1's location likely ran for 5-ish years, i believe, from 1988 to 1993. Sister Location never properly opened, but that's because William's Murder Robot murdered the wrong Child. FNAF 2 was open for like 2 weeks or so? Then the DCI happens and it has to be shut down again for an Investigation. FNAF 3 ALSO never properly opened, it burned down like a day or two before it was meant to :V No info on how successful FNAF 2's Location was prior to it's Grand Re-opening in 1987, but odds are it probably opened/ran at a similar time to the 1985 location, possibly opening 1984 or even 1985 since it seems to be on a larger scale as a whole? ...of course, not a good thing when the contenders for longest-lived locations are Fredbear's (Whose lifespan is unknown) and FNAF 1 which was barely alive to begin with :V

me when I lie on the internet (why would he test fnaf 4 plushtrap minigame when he's making screen UI for sister location 💀💀)

@@decodedpost its a copy paste image

@@decodedpost The map of fnaf 4 is the fnaf 4 game files to keep track of all the robots on all the maps to game testing. That way you can see where they are and not guess if they are in the shadows all the time when developing.

@@Layanor It's not though. It's not a copy paste from the debug/cheat menu (shouldn't the same be for the bedroom map by that logic?), the map is completely different and the rest of the grey dots line up precicely with the remaining animatronic positions. It feels pretty damn deliberate

@@bootsdotexe ??? the 4 dots are where Plush Trap can go. With him in the center. Same image from the game files.

Or a three parter of an hour and a half each🤣

Well.. his successor for sure sunce he's retired

@@joseguillen114 isn't he still running gtlive?

falls into madness he is

No I think he had a story in mind but he changed it at some point

@@Buffalo872that too! But like John said, be open minded

@@RipleyCLASSICS I guess?

That was true for the first three...

@@coderedvt4134 4?

im unsure that the house is a lab. but if that is the case then who knows when it was made.

none?

​@@ParanoidHunters1987

There is evidence for Charlie, CC or Elizabeth dying first. Cc is 100% killed in 1983 before the missing children incident in 1985. Charlie is also likely killed before the MCI as she helps them posses the animatronics and she was killed by someone (likely William) outside fredbears family diner (where cc died). Elizabeth seems to be dead in 1983 because of the empty bedroom, however we know she was killed by Circus Baby, which along with the other fun times was built to kidnap children to experiment on to learn about possession/remnent. And before CC dies, William has no motive to kidnap children, so unless he was always this monster (which is kinda poor storytelling) Baby, the murder weapon, can’t exist until at least Charlie possesses the puppet or CC is killed

@@DragonsDungeon Yeah, Elizabeth just not being talked about in FNAF 4 could just be that she was at their Mom's house (if William and her have divorced yet or not), at school/kindergarten (depending on how old she is), hanging out with friends etc. Also, we'll never know probably but I'd love to know the birth years of William, Michael, Crying Child and Elizabeth. It'd make things less confusing for me possibly.

@@DragonsDungeon >Elizabeth seems to be dead in 1983 because of the empty bedroom This i honestly have HEAVY doubts about. As others mentioned, could be out for the 2 days that CC is there if William Divorced (which DOES seem probable?), may also be the girl who looks eerily similar to Baby in FNAF 4 too. How i see it anyways: CC dies first at the hand of Henry's Robot, William gets upset at Henry (for not accepting blame for HIS machine killing William's son) and Michael (for literally shoving his son into a killer robot's mouth), William lets his emotions get the better of him and kills Charlie in an Opportunity Killing, coming home to Michael having run off to "that place" again during his grieving (probably after/before CC had died, although i dont feel "that place" is a Hospital, probably too far to walk/run considering they're in the woods...). Some time between 1983 and 1987 FNAF 4 gameplay would take place (initially) for Michael, (as the punishment for repeatedly disobeying and running off), William notices Charlie haunting the Puppet and eventually attempts to recreate it in 1985, making plans for the (presumably 1986) Sister Location as he commits the MCI. Elizabeth, a few years older but still young, gets vored by Elizabeth, William calls off the Funtime Project for the moment, and commits another round of killings in 1987 etc etc At some point, William likely gains control of the basement under Fredbear's from Henry (likely where they both designed/built the first Animatronics/Springlocks, also explaining the unaccounted for "Other" design as a Workshop Prototype), and expands upon it.

Possibly Matpat since he retired

>and likely by extension, Steel Wool. Oh they absolutely dont. Security Breach alone kinda proves it, since the devs admitted they have NO clue why the Sister Location room exists, but Scott wanted it put in :V

No, everyone may know the timeline, it all depends on what he believes in

noice

he need some milk

He got the insanity ending from Game Theory

Was gonna say this too, in fact, the games after fnaf 1 were made with theories in mind, especially fnaf 2, but scott said in his interview that fnaf 2 was a dark time for him, but fnaf 3 was supposed to fix that, and then he made fnaf 4 since people complained about the jumpscares in fnaf 3, so on and so forth. I think there is a good story in it, but there are so many holes or plot points we don't know that makes it hard to figure out everything, and that's the point of this series, to never give us full answers unless needed

Even Scott admitted he was no genius when he made the story.

Thank you

so many people funded it like we deserve an update

has not happened yet?

watch. it. now.

@@thymii6946 way ahead of you, watched it several hours ago ;P if is really good indeed

It actually made me come to this video like "didn't those two girls already get the whole thing down"

>I dont think scot made any lore FNAF 1: There was 100% absolutely Lore. Nowhere near as convoluted as it is now, but there was actual lore and a "plan".

@dragongirl6583 XD

That might be my new favorite FNAF theory, no joke

@@leolikestodraw969 ...

​@@sebastianszyrwinski9325 That doesn't mean that other theories are less likely. i'll admit, plenty of them seem more likely than the Dual Process one, but i just liked watching it better, seeing a new perspective on the timeline yk

@@leolikestodraw969 But this new perspective on the timeline is based on a debunked theory that makes no sense, so what good can there be? It's as if I created a timeline based on MCI83 in 2024, total nonsense.

>just confirm multiverse? If you're talking about the books. Scott already confirmed they're all in separate timelines. As for the games? Honestly a decent chunk is just "we dont have the info we need, though we have an idea" or "The Community just takes a COMPLETE left turn at what's supposed to be a right turn". Take Midnight Motorist: Night Charlie died (Later that Night), Man associated with Gold and Purple driving a Purple Car seen in the FNAF 2 minigame (which is directly tied to another Minigame in 6, that's specifically Charlie, linked in two different ways), he comes home to a man on the couch telling him to leave someone alone, and that they've had it rough. The child broke out of the window (again) and has run off to "that place" again. Couch Guy likely being Henry (they're Coworkers, POSSIBLY even friends. They likely cover for eachother, especially if the lone child is being Difficult/needs to be watched) Runaway obviously being Michael. Except some theories are pitching that this is actually just a completely random family and that William smashed in the window and abducted a child in the middle of the night, for the MCI. That the parent who went to investigate didnt say anything important, or notice the footprints, and that William LEFT the location in a costume just to abduct 1 child... during operating hours. Also that William i guess just teleported?

​@@higueraft571i don't agree with your take on midnight motorist but i agree that the fandom overthinks way too much and that the story is a LOT more simple than what they make it out to be

metal gear has already done this all the time

Except, his son's soul lives on. Afton is OBSESSED with the idea of Remnant, and it's possible that he was replicating the experience of his son because of how his soul was able to live on. Afton would easily use his son 's death as an experiment for Remnant

hes doing a great job

Yeah I just want to have fun talking about theorys.

YESS, I came here after watching the whole video-essay. They put it in new perspective for sure.

@@thymii6946 Same!

Except the game confirms these ARE the same Animatronics from 20~ years ago, and they've never been washed. That they still stink because of the dead rotting children like 8 years prior. You cant exaclty have that while replacing the shell AND endo of them. It's likely Scott just tweaked the designs ngl

More quick solution fnaf is just a dream