THE MOON BEAR! | The Best Tank in The War Within? 

rend and tear & scintillating moonlight reject 20% of incoming damage. how much damage does the addition of scintillating moonlight reject, compared to how much damage absorption maul or raze would provide? you say shields are more important than healing, however straight up blocking damage is far more important than shielding it off. the answer may vary heavily in the scope of stats. lets take some things into perspective shall we? so the current ursoc meta is facilitated by heavy haste, resulting in the guardian druid lacking in the critical strike damage/dodge passive & also in the mastery attack power department - attack power being the powerhouse of all tanks since it scales directly with mitigation/spell density/power, and critical strike which scales with all healing, dodge, and damage. in conclusion, haste has been a major loss for the spec in its entirety since it is a weak feedback loop that only facilitates power to 1 singular dimension, thrash, maul, raze, meaning you get more melee shield flavor, and thats it - at the expense of overall specialization strength. however now, the new feedback loop of more versatile arcane damage with critical strike, and the dodge that crit provides, and the more attack power from mastery that plays a role in both attack power and also incoming healing since your slightest moonfire does way more damage in escalation to your mastery, and for the end the most important part, the fact that you no longer need to have your globals compete over the resource of rage, which is a major upside for the spec. now for the hero talents, its the fact that you can reduce the cooldown of lunar beam by 3 seconds with each arcane spell, which is massive, leaving you the capacity to use it for more than 1 time on each pack. and also the arcane damage reinforcing hero talents in conjunction to thrash becoming arcane damage, you consistently have arcane damage going forward non stop. each tick of thrash along with the ticks of moonfire will have you a heal in return without any resource cost at all. will it be successful? we are about to find out soon in a couple of months.

Because it's 2 points. We just don't have 2 points to spare at the bottom of the tree.

Thrash does not. There are three things that do; Mangle, Maul, and Raze. That's all. (At least on live/retail)

It's not that great. It's good in retail, but pretty bad in beta despite 0 changes to it

Thrash and raze are aoe

I talked about this in the video. I tried it out in a couple keys and it just wasn't that great.

I didn’t watch until the end and of course he hit it 🤦‍♂️. The only way I could see it working is if you dropped earth warden or after the wildfire and picking up the left side mangle/raze talents. Pumped mangles would benefit ursocs, pumped razes and mangles proc moonless night? It most likely wouldn’t be stronger than this though

Damn end of expansion break! Ursocs fury shields are maul and thrash not mangle and thrash. The idea was pumped mangles for bigger shields, big physical hits for moonless night. Definitely not better than the other options Zuco wins again! Thanks for keeping us well informed man

as somone who has mainly played pala tank over the years and some dk in df, seing another tank that needs to stand in a aoe effect for defensive reasons is kinda sad, still looks kinda fun to play but im sick of having to stand in dnd/consec/lunarbeam

Problem is... Raze doesn't do Arcane damage like you can make Thrash do... So it's a lot weaker with this Hero tree.

​@@ZucoWoW Yeah, still think it gives a big shield in AoE situations, so maybe a more offensive build with no (or just 1-2) ironfur. It's just an idea for a no-incar-build, massive aoe and godd defensive shield (and then the healing from all the other arcane dmg while the shield persist). But for me the biggest problem with bear is that Incar feels so essencial (obviously with the CD reduce). Needs to be places more in the middle of the tree, similar to infernal for destro warlocks.

@@crainae it doesn't give the big shield unless you take a talent that you have to go out of your way for with how many points you are spending on the other side of the tree, definitely doable but you are losing something else to get it

@@GrantBrown-sp2tg but isn't ursocs fury already taken in his build? so I'm just suggesting taking raze instead of Incar (as i said might still not be worth it but the talent that thrash and raze/maul gives a shield he already has in one build, the one without resident of the sleeper).

@@crainae he could but I think he needs to drop flashing claws to get it and also the talent following incarn

I'm going to main both xD and alt MW Monk

I said it in the video. You get more dodge rating based on your Crit chance from your gear. More dodging = less damage taken... Plus, since we are doing a ton of healing through dealing damage with this Hero tree/build, it helps with that too. But primarily I'm thinking about getting free dodge rating.

@@ZucoWoW Yes and I said every other secondary stat increases your dmg and survivability aswell. Vers = more dmg and less dmg taken. Haste = more rage, more dmg, more ironfurs Mastery = more dmg, more healing and more hp. So if crit doesn't have any external talent nodes or something for scaling it's just guessing at this point which secondary is the best.

@@meke7777 But you're missing my point. If every secondary gives damage and survivability but Crit also gives dodge on top, how is it not superior? Crit gives damage, healing, AND dodge.

@@ZucoWoW Current guardian druid stat prio from Method's guide Item level > Haste > Vers > Crit > Mastery So no it is not superior, it still gives dodge on retail and I don't think anything has changed regarding crit in TWW. Different secondary stats need different amount of rating to get 1%. If they all were equal crit might be the best.

But why would you need haste, we have more than enough rage this time around? Since we are not dumping it in razes

It's my thing :)

Trust me, I don't... It's hooottt

They have been meta in the past

Yah, I 'member the end of shadowlands and the bear megapulls

Literally 2 seasons ago they were part of the god comp. TF you talking about lol