The MORE EXPENSIVE Mac Pro... - Rackmount Edition 

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Agreed. I barely caught it and had to rewind and look at it specifically. Haha.

Had to rewind it, thought I was tripping balls

pay at attention at 0:55 :)

@@GlueRay Omfg. You are one perceptive guy.

@MX yea

Don’t forget the nuts part

@MX play it frame by frame and no clearly did not.

0:42 lmao

@@ExtremusStupidus u right

like the second i saw this i was jsut like ooo theres the mac pro I would buy. im already thinking of a mobile recording rig using one of these and some dante based stuff. with dante pcie cards i could do up to 256 channels in and out of that mac at less then 5 ms.

@@RicheyAmigoHerplerGaming what do you think about the new M1 Mac mini?

@@LaskyLabs Looks promising. Logic functionality seems amazing for the price right now. However, most pros still use protools. We will see how fast other companies jump on the new hardware. I hope they do.

I mean I want one for our studio....

I dunno - Apple is making it hard for audio engineers to love them. The design of the Mac Pro is stunning, but an uglier, way better performing threadripper PC can be made for way less. Pro Tools runs identically on a PC at this level, and audio editing is rarely as hardware intensive as real time graphics processing. Logic is great software......but it's not worth spending double on a machine where half the specs aren't fully utilised. Add to this, the reality that future alternatives in the MacOS world will be arm (M1) based, with no guarantees that Rosetta won't be dropped like a sack of hot faeces (it probably will, when Apple decide that it's their way or the highway). All considered, it doesn't seem to me that any low or mid end studio can realistically rely on an intel based mac pro, at that price point, with that comparable performance, where future software support will likely be dropped due to the transition to Apple Silicon, leaving the engineer's pricy boutique plugins (and probably prematurely, the whole OS) quickly obsolete and unsupported. Consider me a formal Apple guy. It's fine that they want to make these Mac Pros for (only) high end studios, and sell M1 macs as still expensive Facebook machines, but low and mid end studios need something more tangible.

Hey, thanks for the input, cause I was wondering the same thing until he said this. So why do you need such a powerful computer for sound engineering? Is sitting behind a giant mixing board method obsolete? (Sorry if not using technical terms right I’m am in no way a sound engineer)

@@Stretch501st There is multiple applications for a machine like this in production. My day job is a live broadcasted concert/ church style event. We have a different Mac for each part of the content. one for lyrics, graphics, ect. then for audio specficly, we will use a machine for audio analysis programs, like smaart. your question about power, in the studio world, engineers needs exceptionally powerful machines to process all of the raw audio data. my 16g of ram in my MacBook Pro gets bogged down sometimes for simple processing tasks in Logic Pro X, for example.

@@joymonger69420 Can't install macOS on any x86 without compromises. Trying to get through your comments but try looking at Apple's Logic Pro website, www.apple.com/logic-pro/, to get started. There's also plenty of youtube videos demonstrating how well the Mac Pro handles music production, whether it's the desktop or rack mounted version. I also was ready to turn off this video because all he was doing was ragging on the rack mounted Mac Pro because it wasn't a server. Well, duh, it isn't, it's for people who need desk space and, finally said, for people who want to keep it with other rack-mounted hardware. He should have started with this instead of talking about his archaic servers that still use VGA and, probably, DOS-based terminals.

I was so close to commenting that he’s completely missing the point of this machine 😂

@@robeigner4390 Linus was spot-on. There is nothing archaic about VGA in the Data center. Couldn't you just put a normal Mac Pro on rack shelf? Therefore the comparison was fair, I guess. He told us what normally to expect when buying rack mountable hardware.

Brandon Emerson, how’d u get the LTT thing on your name tag?

@@fasterthanforza7427 he hit the join button

@@fasterthanforza7427 channel membership.

I was like "wait, what was that?" Had to watch that twice.

@@fasterthanforza7427 glad others could answer that I never noticed it until you pointed it out haha

@onii-chan's manko bro this is literally a computer faking as a server

lmao it's like calling a bike a terrible motorcycle XD

onii-chan's manko I don’t think it is intended for servers at all, Linus even stated so at the beginning but then decided to review it as if it was. Other Industries like audio and film use rack mount equipment also and benefit from the specific hardware of these machines. Pro Audio specifically almost requires MacOS, but also relies on PCIe cards for things like Pro Tools HD and MADI converters. The new Mac Pro has been hugely popular in the Pro Audio world, since a lot of studios were still running the old Mac Pro towers for their PCIe cards or had to give up their PCIe cards to switch to the trashcan Mac Pros. It’s basically the first new Mac usable in professional studios since 2012.

Yeah. Plenty of people have or would prefer to have their computers rack mounted, especially in the creative industries were Mac OS stomps on windows. The shape was never just for data centers, and this isn’t a product for data centers.

@@aperture147 I think it's more like a company putting motorcycle parts ontop of a bike but still expecting you to pedal it

Yea lol

Dammit. Beat me by 5 minutes. Well played sir!

He did at 1:13

iRack? Didn't SNL or madtv come up with that joke? Also autocorrect is not recognizing MADtv... Rip

James Rac Pro

Well, In Japan that would translate to "Lack Pro" and Apple just can't handle the negative jokes about their inadequacy.

Glorious

It’s actually pretty simple to do it by masking it and then using key frames but it looks cool

Yea I loved it

0:56 u will see Peanut on it unset of word

I didn't notice the first time watching, good job editors, appreciate the details

Raider_Aegis what is 1337

Leet speak for leet

Mölw 1337 stands for ELITE i think

Damn.. U made me 😂 laugh

This is just Linus letting us know he's 1337. www.google.com/search?q=1337+meaning

I bet he's returning this one

@@jessi74 for sure... he didn't even get the full/good spec. no way he is wasting his precious rack space for a mostly empty 4u.

@@evertchin yeah he needs that space for his new multi petabyte project as he's filled the one they have.

Richard Tech is it a legit business practice to buy something to make video out of it with the pre-intention of returning it?

well racks are not only for server but are used for music production too and in this case the product make sense.

Thank You! I thought anyone was gonna talk about it.

TBH that broke my brain for a minute

Yeah, that was nuts!

Made me do a double take and cracked up for 3 minutes straight

Or how when he said nuts at :54 the letters turned to nuts

Lolwtf

Funny, MacNCheese is actually my Mac server’s name on my network! (eMac, not Mac Pro (yes I use an eMac as a server, don’t judge me))

Apple, always "innovating"...

@JS 09 insanely slow wtf r u talking about

what did you expect? lmao

Yeah, that's the only reason why the ram would be on the bottom, unless everyone at Apple is just insane.

@@Jayda08 Not true. While you can use "any" desktop computer as a server by changing the OS, professional servers are built from the ground up with specialist connections and features like redundant power supplies, 100gb/s ethernet etc, as demonstrated in the video. This is a desktop that just so happens to be in a rack. Not to be used as a server, but as exactly what it is, a desktop in a rack, for use cases like the music industry.

I liked then unliked cause it was at 42 likes

Same here haha

Lol

Cheese 1337 Your username is a timestamp for such a noise in the video.

haha i was just thinking that

Mac is disgusting for lighting honestly

@@lemontree15 Qlab is sweet tho

@@techniack it is

Would be a fat overkill amount of money for something like that

Never heard him do that before but three times I this vid...

1337

@@sihaz1969 It's apparently his latest habit. And it's fucking annoying.

It sounds like a otter clicking at me

​@@sihaz1969 He's been doing that for a few months now and it's incredibly annoying.

Could be due to usage cases. Apple know there'll be some rich idiots who buy the Mac Pro just to show off like jewelry, will open it while it's running and fuck something up. And let's be clear here. The Mac Pro isn't designed for components to be hot swappable, as Linus clearly said when he pointed out that it has only a single PSU. Actual pros on the otherhand, are the only people who are going to buy the racked version. And actual pros are either gonna be smart enough to unplug the machine before touching the internals, or they're gonna have trained IT employees who do all that. It's the difference in Apple potentially losing millions in stupid warranty claims from liars who did something stupid and throw the excuse of "it just stopped working, and idk why" around. You'd be surprised how often people do stupid stuff like this and then claim they have no idea what happened. This is why electronics are so expensive nowadays....because companies have to cover their asses in warranty claims somehow....or they'd go bust in a heartbeat. Consider how few of these will be produced too, it'd actually cost them a lot to get a motherboard produced as a single unit to replace one which has fried. I guarantee you, they don't just have a thousand motherboards on hand to repair broken units instantly. I'd actually be surprised if anything but the RAM and storage modules could be quickly fixed by an Apple Store, without a month or two wait time for parts. Just like how Linus couldn't get the Apple Store to fix his iMac Pro when Anthony broke the screen and PSU 😂. Again, for a product not intended to sell millions of units, they just don't want to have to make the spare parts ahead of time. Never mind training their staff how to do it before release.

Also, I did note the same complaint on Neil Parfitt's video (which I saw like a month ago) - that at least this model can remain plugged in and that he thought of it as stupid that the regular pro requires cable removals. Don't underestimate Apple when it comes to design. I promise you, they had their reasons. Just like they usually do with everything they do....like the nifty locking mechanisms they introduced all over these machines to make tool-free maintenance relatively painless.

so you can pay more for that feature.

@@grahamb7947 By your logic rack version should be cheaper

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John Brigs that’s from nigahiga

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“The iRack looks unstable!”

I guess it's funnier if you don't pronounce Iraq with a short "i" but a long "eye".

@@kansaouri____2672 Nah, he stole that from Mad TV. Look up their Steve Jobs sketch.

I actually missed that

I knew I saw something happen but I assumed it was my mind playing tricks. Thanks for making me go back and check.

Is it because you'd have to be nuts to buy it?

0:42 also

Marty McLean also lol that ltt still uses premiere and hasn’t moved on to avid

@@MozTS Avid is an awful company

I was going to mention this in my own comment if nobody else did. Another place you might possibly see this is in a rack-mount in a podium of a classroom.

@@RobertPartridge A mac pro in a classroom... that would be a sight to behold (and a waste of money)

@@Diniles it wouldn't be in every classroom but I can see special cases where it would happen

What about the iRan?

@@dj92wa2 How about the iPictureFrame, the iLamp and the iMicrowave?

@@Boyetto-san what about the iVaccuumCleaner!?

America is like: iInvade

Three words; Preditor drone incoming.

Another spike in views this week then Neil!?

Neil Parfitt I watched all of your videos on it. Wasn’t expecting Linus to shout you out but you deserve the recognition. Those videos were excellently put together.

Well-deserved, Neil, your videos are pretty much the perfect case demo for how to use that computer.

Definitely cool. I’ve already watched all of your videos on it to this point.. so I spent most of this LTT video thinking how your type of use-case is the actual target market.. and then he actually mentioned you specifically.

your videos are 10/10 so great to see a high end audio pro on youtube

He has it on a rack as it keeps his setup cleaner

For content so people like us can give him views and get him money

@@ghejnuni I uh....... ok

I was thinking the same, but it won't be as practial as a macbook though.

And more so on the road. Concerts, film sets, etc. Anywhere there is mission critical creative work being done people are willing to pay whatever price is necessary to avoid throwing away work with very temperamental and expensive VIPs.

benbmusic88 exactly

God no. Just build your own for so much cheaper

DBG certain pro apps aren’t available on pc; such as Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro which are only available to Macs. And there’s too many caveats to Hackintoshes to be used in a professional studio setting.

… once he has it in the rack...

He kinda did at 1:43

dont underestimate linusdroptips :)

yes i can think when a medium sized TV-station could actually use it for a news truck and even a machine for sending VFX to the mixing machine I knew that this machine was made for Audio and Video Production and managment

It does not take much to compute that side of production, it would be a very expensive accessory

Rack mount PC's are also commonly used in the film industry serving the role of the video assist rolling edit and playback machine.

Yeah, any situation where you're working with rack audio or video equipment makes some sense for this, easy to integrate into the workspace.

For the money you get nothing. Its literally useless

All I could think was he'd better be careful or not be able to return another one. :)

He did... A little... from 2 cm height

denvera1g1 it is 5U indeed, Linus was wrong...

To be fair he brought up the same point in his video covering the tower variant of the Mac Pro. Given the airflow through this system it is a weakness

You can tell they're just half assing these videos to get on the negativity boat to get clicks. I've never been a fan of Apple but at least do it proper.

That and they don't allow things that cause dust to be in the air space of those handlers. Cardboard boxes being the largest culprit.

@@caedenw No they didn't. It's exactly what it needed to be for creative types. Lots of people are putting them in their music creation racks for example. Anyone bringing up "datacenters" is a dumbass.

That is exactly what I thought, music and possibly even (3d) design studios would love this

I thought the same thing, but realized that this will not be fast enough to be put in a data center.

Render farms and music studios is where it belongs, it seems

Bullshit. This isn’t designed for ‘audio engineers’. They might be be the people who can actually use it, but they’re a tiny, TINY market. It’s designed to sell to people with more money than sense. And it will.

@@A1BASE you dont know anything about the audio industry. This sort of form factor is ideal for use withing a Pro Tools HD studio. Being able to stack your machine in with your preamp, ADCs, and so on would really help to clean up the whole arrangement the studio.

Well THAT'S still funny and not dead meme at all.

@@ansonx10 damn bro you really got him! ahaha brooo damnnnn

Men thats is osome

Meanwhile apple is thinking: this fool keeps dissing us but then buys all our most expensive products.

@@pocketlint82 Linus isn't dissing Apple. You are hearing what you want to hear. Listening is subjective.

The excessive cost negates the downsides of making a mobo specifically for the rack unit. They can add another thousand to the cost to even it out.

or its made for Racks that are Horizontal instead of vertical, that way you can access both sides of the rack and the IO will feel more easy to access.

>using mac pro in a studio fucking lol m8

well racks are not only for server but are used for music production too and in this case the product make sense.

So rack mount enclosures for music are typically more shallow than for server enclosures, so in a studio youd probly actually end up having to get a rack mount shelf and lay it on there

Jose Ramos 👌

To control bombs.

@@anatolyivanov890 lool

To be a expensive sand blaster.

Anatoly Ivanov idiot

Lol you dumb.

@@patrickgronemeyer3375 ok, that's a statement that is completely without reason in the room! if you are still working on a really meaningful one for this, this would be the basis for a discussion. however, your statement is nothing more than a dull and meaningless assertion. greets from germany my friend

Yea im totally hocked aswell.

Imagine not watching his Mac Pro Rack videos since he had 2K subs.

@@tomwi_since2015 LMAO. Says the Mac server man. I need a Mac or I am not a professional. Hhahaahh. If you need a Mac to do your job. You are not a professional. Sorry oxymoron statement. That is like a cop going I can only use a Glock...

Yup, those little lovely things when you have an install job, integrate components that cost $$$$$$ and go "f!ck". Good thing most racks don't bother with doors, and some have adjustable front posts. (Good luck repositioning them if they're already loaded.)

Commented too soon, didn't you.

Lol o didn't notice that lol

Or skimp and install a retractable shelf on which to sit the over priced Apple PC on. Either way it slides in and out of the rack.

@@IraQNid This is a very logical solution

@@boocraftgaming the most logical solution is to skip apple until they stop building their hardware with ivory and unicorns

@@nicholashaines4136 except some people literally can't because their workflow depends on unicorn magic

Lol that's peanuts for any professional.

GABURIRU

Linus has become too powerful. Not even logos are safe from dropping

Maybe it's cause Liunus tosses these computers around like frisbees instead of delicate electronics.

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I genuinely think this is what Apple meant this for

That’s 100% who it’s meant for. I’m obviously in the production world, but this seemed kinda obvious to me

And this is the comment I was looking for. The Mac Pro in the Rack version, is made for putting it in a studio rack, in studios as an example. Not more. And not less. But, in old fashioned way, things needs to be kinda taking to a point where you turn arround there words before they´ve spoken them. Enough said´.

Well yeah, maybe watch the video until the end

like the video points out?

Only $500 for rack is better deal than $400 for wheels lol. People who bought wheel feel cheated now :))

@@tuanseattle nah, anyone who bought the wheels is too retarded to realize they were cheated.

@RunFor OurLives Sure, if in insane bizzarro consumerist universe, where you from, people's worth and intelligence is measured by how much money they acquired by any means and then blow off on irrational expenditures. Trump must be a world-renowned genius of Einstein's level. Have you already took your intelligence-enhancing mortgage ?

It's all they seem to fall back to for Mac Pro positives/who is it for

Gotta reference that reference for reference.

@@MrGlk Mac computers in general are for a specific demographic, and everyone one else are just fans that don't mind getting milked.

Me too. I watched Neil’s vids when they first came out, and for the most part his thought process made sense to me.

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Yeah but........i guess the case is pretty neat?

Yep, and linus says that more or less when he said audio engineers would benefit the most from the form factor

Why not tho they have Xeon processors which are designed for 24/7 operations

Linus buys another mac pro and makes another video about it just to say, it's the same as the other one but more difficult to open and it's rack mounted.

@@Moustafa59665 As Linus explained, no redundant power, no control over ethernet, limited expandability for storage, limited bandwidth in connectivity.... . And then there are other things. Changing the fans on those is terrible compared to server solutions. There's also no need for it to be quiet, simply blasting air through it would be much better cooling which means less stress on the system and you can use cheaper parts.

Didn't know audacity required so much power...

@@nitromenoob sometimes we edit 60GB audio files.

@@nitromenoob lol! You think pros use audacity? Also, what takes up the most processing and disk power is plugins processing audio in real time, and virtual instruments accessing large samples in real time.

@@jackpaice I consider myself a pro, and I do use Audacity. why bother buying SoundForge or something else when that thing is literally free?

@@RinaldoJonathan Woah? What field of audio are you working on, buddy? God bless you for using that horrible program for legit work

One thing's for sure. No one giving Linus anything to hold XD

Intlex hold my ltt water bottle

You haven't priced actual servers recently I guess.

Number one rule of RU-vid, always watch the whole video before commenting ;)

i immediately went down to the comments to see if people noticed :D

That was soo good :)

neat

Which is funny that he took so long to get to that point because he's /in/ that niche market. His home PC is in a rack in a different room. I think he should've talked a bit on that as well.

@@AoiRozlin Gotta get that 10 minute runtime, tho.

Steven Mrozek well it’s LTT, they prefer to bash Apple more than anything else. Even a positive review will start in either negative tone or at least have a negative title.

@@theeverythingplace672 i will disagree