The MOST ANGRY I'VE EVERY BEEN AT Raid: Shadow Legends 

And here I thought it was going to be about the Dungeon Divers bait and switch...

Matchmaking was ridiculous, we faced a clan of superwhales with MurderInc and Coldbrew, it was like a bunch of level 15 accounts trying to take on end-game players. Now everything is destroyed and it's hard to give a f&?$$. Bravo, Plarium.

Being unable to attack something because everything's dead is terrible design

the cost to repair is absurd

Plarium: "See, you even do not mention new ~2000 Dungeon Divers points /day requirement. All perfect" :P

could have been good, but the fact that you can't get enough materials to repair your buildings makes it an absolute shit

Paylarium KILLED thier own game.

We got paired with a clan that had twice our player power, they totally destroyed all of our stuff and none of us got anything, this is probably the dumbest thing they have ever done, and that is saying a lot

I can't believe that Sintranos is better than Siege. Having no resources to repair your buildings creates a useless circle with no end in sight.

Siege is waiting for shait for 2 weeks and then what? 3 little battles. It just totally SUKK!

It's the opening siege. I'll give it at least 3 cycles, maybe 4, before I go to far with making definitive assessments about whether it's working well or not.

Yes, that is ridiculous and not only changed immediately, those winning team members that didn't get the reward, should be immediately compensate. ( with that rewards, not 50 gems or 200 energy)

Fixing destroyed building is ridiculous amount of Florins

When I saw this was coming into the game and saw the things needed I was like have they tested this, and a lot of creators had hope and not saying they were invited to test the new feature with input….so I naturally had this is a stupid feature to add. I would love to see a developer show a level 45 account with 6* 30-35 champs fully booked and mastered with gear 2-3 ascended and champion 3-4 blessings for them to be siege ready….

When siege started my clan was demolished instantly and had no chance… That mode doesn’t exist for me at the time… Changes will be made at some point I’m sure…

If you want to repair your broken buildings, open the upgrade tab. It will show a repair option using florins

At least 12 mystical pieces of equipment. Our clan has been placed in Tier 4. We have lost. And as a result, we were given 4 legendary - not mystical - pieces of equipment. In our opinion, 12 mythical pieces are significantly better than 4 legendary ones.

9 Actions that could repair the biggest siege-problems: 1. Matchmaking: use the "swiss system" as the first step - means all Clans with the same number of wins (in total and not just over the last 4 sieges) are in one group before matchmaking starts 2. make the last Siege a "test-siege" and start the next siege from 0: - all buildings repaired on L1 - all Orb- and Florint-Pools set to 0 - all players get the starting amounts again -> all exploits set back! 3. reduce the repair costs for buildings by 80% 4. allow the Clan-leaders to use the mana-orb pool to buy restrictions for Outposts! 5. allow Clan-leaders to move defense-teams to other buildings 6. give at the start of each siege all players at least some Florints and Orbs 7. show "won defense battles" also in the "defend-list" and lost offense-battles in the overview 8. Draw: the teams with more won defensive-battles win 9. player victory-conditions: let the clan leaders decide what the individual player has to achieve to win (like in CvC) Bonus action: give players the option to watch live-battles of their clan-mates!

The only thing that would make Siege enjoyable for me is if they changed it to every clan member battles through the defenses and tries to get through as much of the map as possible. Points are scored for every win and contribute to the overall clan point total. There's no path; you can attack everyone whenever. More points are awarded for defeating defenses in the Stronghold, Shrines and certain towers.

Half of My Clan doesn't even know how to use Flourins

Thank you for making a video about this. Most CCs brushed this off because they weren't impacted by the huge flaws in the siege system. My clan won, but most of our buildings were destroyed and the cost of repairs is absolutely ridiculous. It starts a death spiral because things will be destroyed at a faster rate than they can be repaired. Also, you have to split your resources between repair and upgrade. How can you upgrade a building that's constantly being demolished? Plarium's response to me was repair involved 'careful allocation of resources'. Total bunch of bs.

After the first siege my whole clan wants nothing to do with it.

It is WILD that they posted a detailed (which further proved how this game mode is way too complicated) rundown of this game mode AFTER the first Siege event was completed.

In discord we made sure everyone only used 1 attack at first, just for the chest bs. But that along with the economy is the big problem. There needs to be a strategy screen in game so everyone has some idea of what to do. Raid leans on 3rd party systems to prop their game up to an insane degree.

Siege mode: a convoluted, confusing game mode that most of us players barely grasp any idea of strategy.. and you spend 2 weeks waiting to almost do nothing.

Yeah... I'm just putting teams and fighting when it is up. The last clan we went against was way too easy (somehow we are in the lowest tier). That also means that we got only one piece of gear for each chest. I just feel there's a lot they didn't think about. (Also yes... arena auras are working until the next one - when they probably gonna break something trying to fix that). You also asked why the new resources. A: Soon they gonna make possible to buy it at the store, so Krakens can level their buildings to max and never lose a battle. Also,also.... Waiting 2 weeks for 1-2 minutes competition and wait, was very boring.

I was chosen to be the deputy to run the attack for our first clan siege, and it was quite the experience. My clan doesn't use Discord, so it was extremely difficult trying to organize the attack using the in game chat. Simply doubling the character limit for in game chat messages would be a huge help. Luckily for us, we got totally mismatched against a weaker clan. We were literally 8 times their power, with a few people in our clan having as much personal power as their entire clan. It was such a blowout that we had a few guys that, like you, didn't get a chance to make an attack, and because the other clan was so weak, they never reached 95% of our defenses. I feel really terrible for the players who donated florins and mana orbs and put in defense teams who didn't get the victory chest. It's such a bad system. If someone puts in a defense team and donates during the prep phase, they should be able to collect the victory chest. But really, the rewards feel so underwhelming. As a Tier 1 clan my victory chest had 3 accessories, a 6* epic chaos ore, 10 clan XP, 250 clan gold, 25 primal quartz, 5 Lamasu fragments, and an avatar (although the avatar is freaking sweet.) While that might not seem terrible, it is when you realize that you only get this if you win, and it's only every two weeks. If we have to wait two weeks for this game more to resolve, it should have some big rewards. If (and it's a big if) we managed to win 50% of these, it will take me 80 weeks to get Lamasu, and I'd earn a whopping 5 primal shards in that time. And that's if we managed to win. WIth the current system we're very soon going to get matched with a clan that is our equal, we'll both destroy each other's strongholds, and not get anything. The rewards suck, the system sucks, and there is such a long time to wait between battles that it's hardly worth it.

Our clan was very random about what happened and wiped the other clan off the map. However once they start pairing us properly, I'm sure it will be a different story. The whole thing is a weird play.

I dont like that once u click on a post to attack it automatically starts a 3 min timer and you cant back out. I just wanna see what champs i can use from that faction before i use my attacks. Without having to leave the seige page

My clan was mostly steamrolled in siege, but the other clan ran out of attack scrolls before taking down our stronghold so it ended in a draw and lots of damaged towers. All i can say is that it must have been disappointing for them like it was for us.

I'd they gave us Florians for wins in classic, tag, and live arena. It would tie in the aura use and allow us to get resources to repair during the prep phase. They should still give the losser a cheast, just with a reduced fragment say 1 or 2 and some refills for the 3 arenas. Also, need to allow more than one person(clan leader) to manage these resources. Our team was able to repair 1 mana shrine, and we still have 11 buildings destroyed including the stronghold. Most are losing any interest in it.

I like the idea of a mode that involves the entire clan. I do think they need to have adjustment. I'm not leadership, but it's new and a little confusing. If they make some adjustments I would love it.

This is why I was suggesting in comments on all CC videos about Siege, and in many discords, that until Plarium makes change to Siege that everyone just put in 1 man defenses and just let the other team win everything and they do the same any you win everything with nobody getting chest and after doing that a time or 2 hopefully Plarium would want to make a change so people will actually take Siege seriously.

Glad you are calling this out. It's a joke that they didn't envision this happening. I think they expected it to mostly happen to the weaker players in clans, so the response would be they just needed to work to build their strength so they could compete. A well thought out attack could have held strong players in reserve that ended up not being needed, then they need to rely on their defense to win them a battle, which is hard to count on. I wonder how much Plarium will change before the next Siege. I'm guessing very little since they probably want to see how the battles go when their matchmaking is able to work as intended.

As a clan leader I have worked with my deputies to figure out a defense strategy. Unfortunately I can't lock posts or remove defenses that interfere (not all members are good at communication) with the clan strategy. There isn't an easy to reference list to see who set defenses and reserve teams during the prep phase. I can see who won an offense battle but I can't see who used their attack scrolls. So it becomes harder to set clan participation requirements. I now also need to prevent members from using more than 2 attack scrolls on day one to make sure everyone has a chance to attack something just so they can get a reward. We won more decisively (8075 to 1925) than MTGJedi and we still didn't earn enough florins to repair everything let alone think about upgrades. I could go on and on.

My clan didn’t even have enough players to play In siege

We need way more resources to fix buildings. And they need to allow players to actually get rewards. And they need a video explaining how to fix broken buildings.

Repairing a building is under the UPGRADE tab at 11:13

I didn’t even attempt Seige, already been taking time away and just completing daily tasks. Don’t feel like investing 3-4 hours a day like I used to.

If you have a full clan and everybody sets up 3 teams - that's great, but you have to realize there are only 60 attacks on the board, yet everyone gets 3 attack scrolls. If 20 members use all 3 attacks and win, then 10 of your members won't be able to attack. If those same 10 members don't win at least one defensive battle, then they don't win anything. You need to coordinate with your clan so that each member only uses 2 attack scrolls - not all 3.

Hydra Clash is not so different for a lot of players who can't get to 35 million. So ... they do not play that mode. This is the same thing. I will give it one more rotation, but I if it stays the same, I won't put time or energy (or heavan forbid - money) into this mode. I am waiting for the packs to come out to buy Florins and Mana Cubes ... because this is plarium.

I still don’t quite fully understand this game mode and I haven’t heard anyone say anything good about it. So it definitely needs something quickly to turn the game mode around

On the one hand I applaud and appreciate that they have taken the time to add additional content for endgame. On the other hand Siege is too convoluted. Most people took the “we’ll figure out” approach. I felt like things would become clearer once we get the first one under our belts. I’m not ready to call it a swing and miss just yet but as of right now, first one under our belt, Siege is a yawn for me.

Grab that feeling, hold it close and understand that thousands of players doing hydra clash, helping their clan place but get less than 35mil with 3 keys get what you got... NOTHING! every time. My main gets the box if we place, but my alt can only top out at around 25-28mil depending on the rotation and my clan has placed top 3 many, many times, and although I contributed to that placing, I get nothing, and that is repeated all over this game mode for too many people. Nothing is ever said about that by CC's, only that the top 3 get something when it should be every clan. My alt clan absolutely destroyed the opponent who was obviously mismatched, as was my main that had a much stronger clan to which we lost. Now I feel terrible because we had no idea just how obnoxious Paylarium were going to make the repair costs. We did not have to destroy everything but we were chasing that last Feral reward. It will take them 6 months of straight wins to repair everything. I said on @Blazin's vid on this that the winners get little or nothing if their defence was so strong no one attacked it, which imo, should mean an auto victory as you did your job and set a defence no one wanted to even try fighting, or the defenders leading up to yours did their job well enough that they didn't even get to you. Plus, the losers get 1 strike punishment of life without parole. Furthermore, this will actually get even worse with the "No win scenario" that is looming over this content with the setup by Paylarium who have all the intellectual capacity when designing content of the proverbial infinite monkey's might make something worthwhile if given an infinite amount of time to keep bashing the keyboard. As the clans even out, the probability that the balance of win/loss with shift to endless draws and then no one wins the box ever, or clans will need to tank matches just trying to get a better run down the line. Where have we seen this happen before?.... Oh yeah! Hydra Clash... Oh yeah! CvC. Paylarium do good concept occasionally from what I assume is the weekly drunken conversations down the pub, and are disastrously incompetent at implementation of that hazy idea. They always want to suck far way more than they give. They have no testing program, that is obvious as they only needed to run this once for all the 3 possible major scenarios win/loss/draw to have every angle highlighted with what is catastrophically wrong with the whole system. They use the player base as their testbed every time and every time the player base goes nuts because Paylarium keep doing Paylarium things especially with the rewards and champ acquisition, that's when they react instead of having the foresight to test it first and FIX the damn thing BEFORE release, where there may be a few little things to iron out after a playthrough or two. It's not a massive new piece of content, it's so what arena with Subtranos conditions and wallet v wallet CvC tiering. This is DoA. It needs a complete overhaul to be viable imo. Rant over... Deep breaths... Deep breaths... And... Relax... Edited this in... They freaking messed up the DD and shortened it. Now they release a sorry of sorts and here you go we've added another 100 points because we screwed up. Did they give everyone this 100 points. Nope! They gave us another DD. Ok... did they just make it an easy runt through, do 10/20 fights and get the 100 points and if you want to do the rest of it for the remaining meh rewards. Noooo!!!!! they made it another full freaking run, splitting it into 2 more parts. Well f**k you very much Paylarium for lying on your calendar, switching off the original DD that overlapped FK that many were waiting for including myself to complete, then say sorry by taking even more resources in a bonus event for YOU! This is what Paylarium are at their core... UTTER SCUM!!!!

How the rewards are calculated, and the building repairs need to be almost completely reworked. this is another hydra clash where if you don't want you get nothing for your time!

We were in tier 6 and both teams were strong enough to destroy everything. 5k vs 5k and both teams got nothing. Not even enough to repair the stronghold alone. Not to mention the rest of the towers. We all know it's easier to attack than to defend because you can adapt to a known team. So it's going to be many draws in the future.

Maybe losing teams only get materials to fix buildings and winner gets all rewards. Ties result in only resources to fix buildings. Just a thought.

My Siege Experience: I clicked on some stuff. We happened to win. Got some rewards.

Welcome to the year of Arena (first year was a mess). Welcome to Plarium hope you like it. If you do not. We will try it again in year 3.❤

Siege should be two clans battling each other on the same map, trying to occupy forts and stronghonds, not the way it is currently set up

Yes, they should definitely change it so setting a defense or using a rebattle scroll or any other activity on that page nets you a Victory Chest. And yes, there should definitely be more Florins. My clan pretty much dominated, got all 7000 thousand points, and it looks like we will be able to repair only one of the two towers that got destroyed. Eventually, almost every clan will have all destroyed buildings. I see no reason to participate if they don't change things going forward.

I’m so sorry to hear this… it’s shocking, that individuals don’t get the same as the rest of the clan this is clan siege after all

I liked the concept of Siege, and my clan won, but there are too many issues with it currently. All the effort for no reward for so many, cost of repairs, too much actual play time required, etc

Our clan won. Got top rewards. Opponents stronghold got wrecked. I pity them😢. The Cost to repaire is outrageous!

There is no way to fix buildings. ALL clan gets 6000(= 30 x 200) Florins. How many buildings you can repair for 6000 florins? Three- four? But most likely you have ~5-10 buildings destroyed. And during next siege(even if you won) you still have same or more buildings destroyed. And NO WAY to upgrade!

Seige is a great concept poorly executed. It's just targeted Arena, where you place your defensive Arena teams in various areas. Suggestions: - Plarium needs to explain reserve teams - Explain re-roll (only when you lose) - Still haven't fixed those that exploited the free mana orbs

4 years I have been playing Raid has screwed me over all the time. I have always dogged this game for crappy or little rewards and I have always been ignored 🙁

Most/all PvP stuff that they will ever introduce will be demoralizing because the power creep….FG’s to Empowerment to blessings to mythicals….has gotten so large, 99% will feel like they are riding a bike vs race cars in the Indy 500

I don't think repairing buildings should even be a thing. We won our siege in tier 5 but it feels like a loss when figuring out repairs and how to improve next siege. Right now were dumping everything to upgrade the stronghold and hopefully months later will be able to go level 2 and repair it at the same time and manage to hold our stronghold with better conditions. Really though there should be no repair phase all it does is make it so everything stays broken. Yes being able to tie in the game mode is ridiculous.

The thing I hate the most about siege is the amount of battles since you only get 3 I hate that since it gets boring after you done the 3 battles

I'm a clan leader who as a newbie built a dead clan to UNM and Brutal. For me its pointless if the clan leader can't change the defence teams. It makes it NOT a CVC event. No reward from missing an attack or a successful defence is crushing for sure replays or your defence surviving the whole assault must count as a win..

I agree Siege was a big fail in my book and do not enjoy it at all.

you deserve your rant 100% You work hard on the game and it's your right to be upset!! Siege was fun ion SOME aspects, the matchups are questionable the scoring system SUCKS and the cost of repairing and advancing your Stronghold and Towers are soo extravagant and its so high in cost, its just BLAH!! We scored over 7k points and enjoyed it but my lower guys that didn't attack got NADA, it was a spit in the face! I was so upset for them and I talked to each of them, so they didn't quit, but they were also demoralized. It HAS TO CHANGE! ( I will cuss ALLOT!! for you !! ) I directed everyone from Discord, we checked in, posted enemy teams and more, It took me 5 hours but it was easy for us using Discord since all our members are active on it! YOU ARE 10000000% RIGHT!!

I really didn't even figure out what I was doing. I'm in Oath of Ascension and we did get a few rewards but not sure what we did? I agree this is totally broken!

This mode could have been amazing, and loads of fun! BAR============================================BAR Plarium gonna plarium, so lets not expect too much, but maybe it will be an overall net enjoyable experience! BAR=============================================BAR It was even worse than most worst case scenarios, and almost doesn't even function, and little to no enjoyment for much of the player base!

They should renew towers with each siege. And allow team to decide if they want to donate florins to upgrade. The awards suck. One can not upgrade anything because we have to spend all of florins to rebuild. Everyone should get rewards regardless. You go to tab to upgrade and there is option to upgrade or repair. Very frustrating.

I like about siege..... What I don't like about siege.....everything

I have no plans to get involved in seige until I hear there is a huge change

I'm feeling the same about clan boss, because of the sudden no void no sacred no books for playing it day after day. Had shards saved up opened them got nothing and it is happening over and over and over again. For the last few days I've been considering just quitting the game because nothing going good at all for such a long time. Nothing in the game now to get happy about. Giving up on even trying.

There is a lot wrong with the mode. We were matched with a half full low-level clan, so won in a few hours of waking up, but while all my accounts had defenses placed, only the account that was able to attack gets anything? It's like hydra rewards, currently, where you can participate, but if you don't participate ENOUGH, then you get nothing.

I enjoy it. I think it's how cvc should've been. I remember when they released cvc and everyone hated it because it was just a cash grab and no pvp. Now we have an actual cvc! Sure there are things they can improve upon for it but I for one am glad we have it.

im enjoying how every CC that was soooo excited for this game mode is now having buyers remorse. you guys shouldve known better. just wait until their response to all of the negative feedback is to start selling packs of florins and mana orbs

also quad they amount of resources so people can actually can interact with the buildings

And yes discord we use to. I've been complaining about the terrible ingame chat

We had the weirdest stalemate, i.e. no strongholds taken. Our opponent crushed us, took everything and it looked like it was all over within a few hours. However, we had one member with a Tarishka team in the stronghold that they couldn't take down as all their best players had used everything up. So it was a draw, even though they totally should have won. I actually felt bad for them that it was a draw. I'm also at a point where I think I''m about done after 4 years, the only thing holding me on is not finding an alternative yet. I'm hoping the WOW expansion piques my interest and I can say goodbye.

Watch and see this becoming 3v3 2.0. Once they will give rewards for ties (1 or 2 more sieges at worst, once the realize that in an even matchup both clan will just conquer everything anyway), and then everyone will just post 1 man defenses unless the want to actually climb tiers. Since repairing is so costly and the advantage of the offense is so great posting 1 man defenses is the only sensible way of playing. At least it will be fast, and no need for comunication. They don't need to buff the rewards untill enough clans get the lego fragments, after that i'm sure they will add some quartz or something to the winning chest

The victory chest is what you do not get if you your clan does not win. The artifact chests you get as your earn them provided you did at least one attack. So even if you lose, you still get some artifacts, just not the big juicy victory chest. They should just make the rebattles in the manna towers count towards that one attack, then the problem would be solved.

100% Mtg. I'm sure plarium will give us 50k silver and 120 energy to make it more wrong

Bad communication & disregard for the players is Plarium's thing. I think they secretly hate their player base. From the Gnut glitch months ago (when I quit) to the dungeon divers fiasco last weekend to this siege issue. They seem to treat their customers like livestock, something to be fattened up & slaughtered. I like to check in every so often to watch Plarium self immolate. Glad I left the abusive relationship that is Raid: Shadow Legends.

yeah it should be if you set a defense or at least attempt an attack (even if you lose you tried to contribute) so you should at least get the rewards at the top if not the victory chest. thankfully we're a casual clan so we'll probably ignore it to a large extent.

as with live arena, I just decided that I need not even participate in siege, they are too frustrating.

From the reports I’m seeing I will not be playing this mode anytime soon my two clans also seam to not be interested in it either my clans didn’t even have the opportunity to play the siege

My clan, try really hard to participate in all areas of the game, but got matched with a clan 10x more powerful. Wtf are we supposed to do. All our buildings are destroyed now we are ruined for the next battle. Ridiculous matching

Makes sense to me. If you don't participate you don't get rewarded. It truly annoys the heck out of me that in cvc we have do nothings who get the rewards same as me if we win, after I was grinding for 2 days and using my saved resources to help the clan. To me, they shouldn't get anything if they don't play. But I do agree that if there's a tie, both teams should get rewards!

My clan won, but to be completely honest we have barely spoken about it at all in discord. I just put in my arena defence teams and attacked with arena teams. It's such a long wait for what is basically a single 3v3 fight.

try siege against a clan with 40% more player power and after a lot of team work for 2 days ending at 5000-5000(our clan first to 5000), we have done everything, we played perfectly but the game was rigged from the start.

You are 100% right.

If I want to play "tower defense" I would download such a game.

I was unable to attack my clan got it done in about 3 hours and I was out with the family. The opposition didn't attack us so I didn't qualify for rewards we got the full 10k points. Demoralising but we will organise ourselves better next time. Falling out of love with raid tbh

I enjoyed it but we also absolutely crushed our opponent. My defense had 13 defensive wins lol. I took out multiple people on my own because they used all of their attack on me. With all that said yeah it definitely needs some tweaking and hopefully it will be like how LA was in the beginning and all the super strong clans will move into a category all on their own.

the clan we fought couldnt break past the entry posts and they werent even a top 5 player in the clan, experience was very underwhelming because of it, prolly end uo becoming a 1 man defense mode to farm nothing because you get nothing unless you decimate the other clan and remain untouched yourself

i think the new feature is the most overly complex game function i've seen. the requirements to actually be able to compete is pretty much for leviathan only clans with massive rosters.

Leaders should be able to move teams around - people just put random, weak teams in vital locations - they aren't active in chat - so no way to rectify All players should get rewards if they set a defense and your team wins - its crazy that there are not enough atks for everyone to participate I wish there was just a way to turn this off and ignore it - but instead we have to look at a stupid RED DOT every day

My clan only has 50% of us on discord and keep refusing to require it. There are people donating to upgrade buildings that aren't repaired. You better believe I'm swtting my defenses and attacking twice every two weeks without paying any attention to it or trying to get better

I agree completely, this had potential but just isn’t fun or fair

It is really toxic and poor design. Just because someone attacked, now I can't attack any other post, and I'm left out of the victory chest. This is really stupid and reflective of Plarium. Why would you gatekeep and make it harder for players. And being tied is another stupid idea.

Other people in your clan would have got the rewards. Your personal issue was you didn’t win a defence battle, nor did you attack. Because we didn’t know how it worked out we had two clan members who didn’t use attacks and their defences were in a building that was not reached by our opponents so they got no rewards. We have learned for next time to make sure everyone in the clan gets 1 good attack in before we all use our scrolls.

Woah. That's rough. To hear about it is one thing, to see it actually happen is quite another. Here's a short term fix. Like clan quests, restrict attacks on the first day, so everyone can get an attack in.

Would be smart if the clan leaders tell everyone to stop attacking after 1 win. And why would I want a game mode that gives you 6 arena classic battles a month ? its so stupid I cant even comprehend it....

Parium doing Plarium things to kill player enjoyment.