The most EXPENSIVE Nintendo lawsuit

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Nintendo's legal department is famous - the company has sent DMCA takedowns to Mario fangames, Zelda mods, and more. But here's a story you've probably never heard of - an incident where Nintendo NEEDED to sue another company! I promise, it was for the good of the gaming industry. Let me tell you about the morally GOOD Nintendo lawsuit!
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SOURCES
www.inside-gam... Background on Japanese game industry patents
• Nintendo is NOT ready ... Kit and Krysta talking about Nintendo patents
www.vice.com/e... ToTK patents 1
jolt.law.harva... Nintendo Wii remote lawsuit 1
www.theverge.c... Nintendo Wii remote lawsuit 2
www.nintendoli... Nintendo Wii remote lawsuit 3
www.cyzo.com/2... History of Nintendo VS COLOPL
tokkyo-lab.com... Japanese legal firm writeup of situation
tokkyo-lab.com... Further details from legal firm
www.j-platpat.... Nintendo’s joystick patent
• 【任天堂vsコロプラ訴訟問題】業界人だから話... Former Capcom producer’s video on the topic
www.mag2.com/p... Writeup of reaction tweets
• 任天堂「引き上げの49億5000万円を賠償金... Comments show Japanese game fans’ reaction
jp.ign.com/nin... Video showing altered control scheme
www.itmedia.co... President Baba’s comments
www.bengo4.com... Date of first oral arguments
www.famitsu.co... COLOPL statement on settlement
www.bengo4.com... Detailed breakdown of timeline (which I found after painstakingly constructing a timeline of my own……)
business.nikke... Quote from other game company’s legal representative
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Japanese arcade footage licensed for use from Lyle Hiroshi Saxon:
- • 1991 新宿東口ゲームセンター Game ...
Object in Mario's hand icon via Freepik from Flaticon

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@ThomasGameDocs 25 дней назад

Before you comment - yes, we say "patent" differently in the UK. I am from the UK, so I say the word the British way. We also say "Mario" differently, I made a video about it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8Hqbco5BmT4.html

@Cliffordlonghead 25 дней назад

it Mario

@Cliffordlonghead 25 дней назад

First

@Cliffordlonghead 25 дней назад

Awesome video

@Kat21 25 дней назад

@@ThomasGameDocs mario

@Aenwyn-qi8vv 25 дней назад

And aluminium!

@nnhoffingg 25 дней назад

You break the Code of Honour, The Code of Honour breaks YOU!

@TheRealRidley12 25 дней назад

And in this case, it broke Colopl approximately $22 million dollars.

@Corner_twisted 25 дней назад

@@TheRealRidley12 I was literally gonna say that, until I read the replies

@Fatih_M177 24 дня назад

"YOU MUST CODE WITH HONOUR!"

@CyborgCharlotte 24 дня назад

Given how the name “Colopl” sounds you’re speaking Klingon, there’s probably a Star Trek joke in there somewhere

@Tustin2121 3 дня назад

There is no "Honor" among --thieves-- software patent holders, as demonstrated with the news about the PalWorld patent suit this morning.

@katiemcwrath 25 дней назад

Honestly, finding out that video game companies, while real particular about what games can play on which systems and about their IP, having this code of honor to protect each other in the creative process, is kind of beautiful. It warmed my heart.

@PeperonyChease 25 дней назад

Ever heard of Tengen?

@kolkagaming1234 19 дней назад

I mean Nintendo has their copyright laws, and we have to follow them because there’s not much we can do. I Don’t like it when Nintendo does lawsuits, unless if its related to pirating games then Yes because That’s a crime.

@GamingBren 14 дней назад

@@kolkagaming1234 finally someone who realizes piracy is a serious crime (or "no party" if you know the reference)

@CallMeVidd 11 дней назад

@@GamingBrenI feel like piracy should honestly also have a code of honor I don’t think it’s bad to pirate a retro game that isn’t available for purchase on any modern hardware. If you can only legally play a game by buying the console and game second hand from someone and the company isn’t making any profit off of it anyways, then who cares

@british35 10 дней назад

@@CallMeViddSo what, get a new Captain Teague on the scene? 😂

@Kat21 25 дней назад

i opened the notification by accident and it started playing thomas game docs and i noticed youtube was open so I guess im watching this video now

@TheMagician98712 25 дней назад

tgd videos are always good

@gamingmoyai3950 25 дней назад

Auto play put this up, guess I’m gonna watch it.

@Epic_C 25 дней назад

Cool story bro

@ronan-outoftime 25 дней назад

you can never escape her videos 😈

@TheMagician98712 25 дней назад

@@ronan-outoftime wait tgd is a female???

@nav2269 25 дней назад

two examples i can think of where game companies have enforced their patents against other games companies are 1. using the word Edge in a videogame title, and 2. loading screen minigames

@Kromer__ 25 дней назад

dawg dont act like you didnt get that second one from scott the woz

@Grane1234 25 дней назад

There's also the pointer from Crazy Taxi that was similarly used in The Simpsons Road Rage

@nav2269 25 дней назад

@@Grane1234 True!

@nav2269 25 дней назад

@@Grane1234 or a large number of enemies in a cluster in Dynasty Warriors, that is also a patent which is enforced as far as i think i know, Do Your Research

@redmage777 25 дней назад

Is the "Edge" and example of Patent law though? Isn't that more of a Trademark thing... I recall King tried to own the word "Saga" a few years back.

@joopvanhedel1372 25 дней назад

The internet is the internet, so even fan games can never be completely removed. I downloaded pokemon uranium to my Steam deck literally last week and it was done in 2 minutes

@Brimations 25 дней назад

You can still find the files of fan games pretty easily. All Nintendo did was take down the original download pages…

@CodyTheBlackChickenSubscribe 25 дней назад

Same

@stracciatella2782 24 дня назад

Still, as a volunteer developer of such software (Yuzu for example) it sucks because Nintendo "owns" the software after the lawsuit. This only leaves shady copies spread on some corners of the internet alongside prohibiting and majorly hindering further development.

@lowmax4431 24 дня назад

Stuff still rots away though. Some things are forgotten about, servers go offline. Things have to be actively kept up.

@temporal_paradox 24 дня назад

Don't get too comfortable. That's only true because of the dedicated efforts of countless people working to make sure things are archived. That can all be easily stripped away if people don't keep up the effort of fighting against companies like Nintendo for the preservation of media.

@radicaltrafficcone8284 25 дней назад

I have to vent this out somewhere. I spent this morning going into the rabbit hole of nintendo lawsuits through tgd videos and such, I found out about this specific law suit. I spent ages, researching and digging up patents to find out what was going on and lo and behold, you uploaded a video litterally an hour later explaining everything for me.

@MuroKhan 2 дня назад

Man this became super relevant with the Palworld lawsuit now....

@neon-zipzop 2 дня назад

Wait that's not what the video is about?

@MuroKhan 2 дня назад

@@neon-zipzop nope. Take a look, it might even give you some insight as to what they’re doing involving it

@ERMediaOfficial 25 дней назад

Gamedev here, dropping some bullet points: When a company like Nintendo forces you to take down your fan game AFTER release, they are being nice. They HAVE to issue a takedown, because if they don't, they could get into legal trouble if it ever comes to a REAL lawsuit with a REAL copyright case. There is such a thing as "The Doctrine of Laches" and it is VITAL in cases like this. But they (as in the company issueing the takedown) wait long enough so that the game is out there and can be played, knowing fully well that the internet will still make it available; they are showing you that they only do this to protect their brand. AM2R is still being played and updated. Pokemon Uranium is readily available. Super Mario Eclipse exists, as do many Mario64 mods. All these Twilight Princess HD 4K mods exist in the same space. Same goes for emulators. Citra and Yuzu both still have forks up and running. The legal system is a VERY complicated matter.

@ArktheLark 24 дня назад

Only thing to add to this is Sega rarely runs takedowns on Sonic fan games and sometimes chooses to directly endorse them in the case of the creation of Sonic Mania. The system these companies work through is so thoroughly unregulated they can get away with anything. New companies are just doing what the system allows, and the bigger ones just stamp out their competition or get bought out before they can reach an agreement. Don’t forget Nintendo hired the Pinkerton’s for a leak before and they’re not exactly known for caring about the people they deal with.

@isyu-m9b 21 день назад

ディズニーなら削除要請を出さずに直接裁判所に駆け込むよ、任天堂は優しいね

@StafyFan 21 день назад

Wanna be a game developer one day. I have a lot to learn 😵‍💫

@Sonario648 20 дней назад

I just wanted to say thank you for this comment. Coming from a real GameDev who actually knows how things work, it's good to know more now.

@sideburngthepeacebringer27 20 дней назад

Also Mario the Music Box, TooLate.exe and IHATEYOU.exe is still available.

@sirmcpablo7349 12 часов назад

Palworlds partnership with Sony probably made Nintendo burn that "Code of Honor" with searing rage

@BenHyle 2 дня назад

What's super funny is that Palworld just got sued for patent infringement. Super amazing timing.

@hinkyto2550 День назад

When I heard about it, I had a "huh..." moment and thought of this video.

@Toschez День назад

Very much an analogous case. Similarly to Colopl, Pocketpair is also an arrogant and disrespectful developer.

@pyrobomb3161 День назад

@@Toschez how so?

@cookingrabbitty День назад

- has history of making game and ditch after sale new one - keep telling they are indy even they had aniplex and sony partner - seem their design didn't direct copy nintendo but they stole fakemon (pokemon fanart) and claim to be their own. - CEO had worked in nintendo before. (i don't think it bad thing but just in case.) I lazy to type more.

@Toschez День назад

@@cookingrabbitty Also the CEO complained about Chinese devs making Palworld clones (though the tweet could be taken as compliment if taken straight).

@MrEnte3000 25 дней назад

EarthBound is turning 30 today.

@classcombat2 25 дней назад

YEAAAA!THERES GONNA BE A NEW PROJECT

@efeugurYT 25 дней назад

Ness is getting young

@BrianMalone-dz6wh 25 дней назад

Or older

@thatgarryman9400 25 дней назад

Ness didn't age at all

@novamarpo3 25 дней назад

That’s older than me!

@catholiccontriversy 24 дня назад

Everyone: we're going to patent everything but not enforce it so we can be creative. Colopl: we're not going to do that, we're going to enforce our patents. Nintendo: oh you want to play that way, well time for you to receive what you're throwing because you're infringing on 5 of our patents.

@morphstarchangeling8024 13 дней назад

Nintendo: Oh wait, it's 6 now. we missed one.

@triforceeternal 25 дней назад

meanwhile Konami patented the concept of flashing, timed targets for DDR arrows (not the scrolling arrows themselves, although they probably tried) and still maintains their exclusivity on that feature across arcade rhythm games. very classy

@Dom_Maretti День назад

Patents in both the US and Japan only last 20 years. Considering the fact that the first DDR game is from 26 years ago...I doubt they actually still have exclusive rights to the concept.

@MrNateM 25 дней назад

This was great! You've always differentiated your channel by covering topics that haven't been done to death elsewhere and require a bit more research. This video is maybe the single best example of that style paying off.

@EnigmaticGentleman 25 дней назад

Pokemon Uranium was only down for like 2 weeks, in fact development continued under a different team for many years afterwards. Not trying to defend TPC, but it really bugs me that literally nobody mentions that part of the story.

@LordIvul 25 дней назад

As much as people bash TPC for taking down Uranium, imo the developers of the project deserved it. If I remember correctly, the game was released either very closely to a major release of an official pokemon game, or just after some major announcement of a new release. They kinda asked for TPC's attention that way and they got it. I think all they needed to do was to wait like 2-3 months with the release and that way, they might have not gotten taken down. I think they deserved the takedown and I'm mad that Pokemon Prism became a colateral.

@ethanwayne6973 20 дней назад

@@LordIvulThey would have sued either way, this is Nintendo remember? If you don't believe me, have you heard of a game called Pokemon Brick Bronze?

@LordIvul 20 дней назад

@@ethanwayne6973 a Roblox game? I'm even less surprised it got taken down. If Nintendo didn't do that I'd think they are idiots.

@ethanwayne6973 20 дней назад

@@LordIvul alright how about The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild's multiplayer mod. You can't seriously keep justifying the shitty actions of a multi billion dollar company

@TaiSaysHello 18 дней назад

@@ethanwayne6973 nintendo doesn't control pokemon, the pokemon company does

@Nintenblox 25 дней назад

Makes sense we haven’t heard of this lawsuit. There’s so many I can’t keep track.

@Peepimus 25 дней назад

1:08 - I’ll never forget Pokémon Brick Bronze…!

@EnheTook50Benadryl 25 дней назад

ponemon what

@TheMagician98712 25 дней назад

i remember that game it was on roblox

@TheMagician98712 25 дней назад

its gone now

@zan_partizane2415 25 дней назад

OMG I used to play that so much back then

@JustYourAverageGamer109 25 дней назад

@@zan_partizane2415 me too

@edcellwarrior 12 часов назад

Well, this video aged poorly

@MikeButash День назад

Now you can do a part 2 about Nintendo vs Palworld!

@garf02 18 часов назад

in 7 years when it ends

@Asiago9 19 дней назад

I feel like people forget that for every SEGA franchise except for Sonic they're just as ruthless with law suits as Nintendo

@PIKMINROCK1 3 дня назад

There's a Moon Channel video on it. They are generally a bit more relaxed than Nintendo but, that's because they are a part of Sammy and thus have gambling while gaming keeps their image relatively good. As long as their gaming investments are relatively profitable, they can eat the "loss" from the occasional notable fangame

@driley1988 2 дня назад

I always found that very odd that they allow sonic fan games when sonic is literally the mascot of sega.

@Legion849 5 часов назад

@driley1988 SEGA has a parent company which is involved in gambling that's why they generally turn a blind eye to fan projects.

@sednavaporeon7226 2 дня назад

Now we see how the palworld lawsuit goes

@bkmorrison1988 25 дней назад

So, with the insinuation being that Nintendo sued to stop Colopl from abusing their patents, has Colopl stopped telling people they had to license their touch control system? Does Colopl still own that patent?

@metazoxan2 25 дней назад

curious about that too. It could be Nintendo let them keep it but made them understand they couldn't actually try to enforce it.

@MegaPhycoKiller 25 дней назад

@@metazoxan2 yeah I imagine nintendo made sure colopl understood the code of honour

@Scorbunzx 25 дней назад

0:43 they have never been on google images have they.

@KhakiCap 25 дней назад

He knows and he didn't meant it literaly, he meant it as an example.

@HelpTheWretched 24 дня назад

One of my proudest gaming moments was casually telling a Nintendo representative that I had made a fan-game during a product demo at Best Buy.

@yololthepikminenjoyer 16 дней назад

so... uh... how’s life been for you

@polocatfan 14 дней назад

bro is still paying out @@yololthepikminenjoyer

@SuperM789 11 дней назад

Wow! I bet you looked so cool, like that one time i saw i sign in a mcdonalds bathroom saying "employees must wash hands", and WASHED MY HANDS EVEN IF I WASN'T EMPLOYED! i don't think they've recovered from that one. however, i don't feel guilty. So i guess in a way, i understand how you felt in that moment. However, it was weird seeing that mcdonalds burn down not even a week later. Arson attack if i recall. Who the hell would burn down a mcdonalds? I know their food nowadays is more expensive that dwarf hookers from Laos, but it still doesn't exuse that kind of act. Much like how any fire started will die eventually, i guess one day we will all have eventually commited an act of rebellion against Nintendo. Maybe my day for that is coming soon, i hope so. I was a little boy in 2006 scrolling through forums, seeing everyone brag about how much they hated the company, and I wanted to be just like them, to do something that would catch the attention of even the most hardcore pirates! But alas, i failed. nowadays i spend my days scouring eBay and facebook marketplace for shitty DS games to add to an ever increasing collection. Do i have the time to redeem myself? Perhaps. I guess this long winded message is a representation of my jealousy. That unlike me, you managed to do what i've always wanted to do. So, I guess i can only congratulate you. It must've taken all the courage in you to tell a Best Buy employee that you once made a video game using an IP not given to you. Look up "obama 90 percent".

@HelpTheWretched 11 дней назад

@@SuperM789 Cool, thanks

@fattiger6957 25 дней назад

Copyright and trademark are very important. Intellectual property deserves the same respect and reverence as physical property. The problem is that copyright law tends to be kind of nebulous and basic education doesn't do a very good job explaining it. And governments don't seem to really have good standards as to what is protected and what is infringement. At the end of the day, I support creators' rights to enjoy the fruits of their labour and those rights need to be protected. But I do concede that copyright holders (usually giant corporations) often go beyond what should be allowed.

@ScarfmonsterWR 25 дней назад

I think a big issue is that patent offices barely check if the patents should even be granted in the first place. It's not that uncommon that a patent is granted for something that is obvious, or has prior art. After such patent is granted, and somebody gets sued, they need astronomical amounts of money to defend themselves.

@redstone0234 25 дней назад

I agree IP is good Protecting art from being stolen without componsation it's just big corps abusing them Everything is a remix of a remix of a remix : that why fair use is important

@toumabyakuya 25 дней назад

@@redstone0234 However, thanks to how badly defined copyright is, companies have to protect their IPs like this if they don't wish to risk their chances.

@user-zu9yp4xx8g 6 дней назад

Piracy is morally correct

@toumabyakuya 6 дней назад

@@user-zu9yp4xx8g No, no it isn't. It just shows that you only care about yourself.

@songarakram День назад

The sheer timing of this video my guy.

@CHanafuda 25 дней назад

Hi Thomas, you did a great research on that specific Nintendo lawsuit, it was a good video. Regarding whether Nintendo sues more than other video game companies, that's not entirely true. While Nintendo has sued on many occasions, it doesn't mean that it's the only company that sues more. There are other companies besides Nintendo that have sued before and they are even worse than Nintendo. There are companies like Square-Enix that have sued Chrono fangames, the most famous case being Chrono Resurrection. Konami has gone so far as to sue for copyright infringement on several gameplay videos of their games on RU-vid. Even companies that are more fan-friendly like SEGA and Capcom did a cease and desist at least once, in SEGA's case it was with a fan remake of the first Streets of Rage and in Capcom's case it was with a fan remake of Megaman Battle Network Phantom of Network. Also, the country Nintendo comes from, referring to Japan, Japan has the most severe copyrights in all media, be it video games, anime, manga, music, movies, etc. An example of this is the music of Dragon Quest and its composer Koichi Sugiyama who belonged to JASRAC. So don't get carried away by what is said on the internet about the memes of Nintendo lawsuits. That's all, greetings from Captain Hanafuda🎴👺♠

@functionatthejunction 25 дней назад

Saying patent differently due to nationality is acceptable, but proper names never change due to the accent or location of the speaker. Remind me of that episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where that scientist kept calling Mr. Data (Who pronounces his name Day-ta.), Mr "Dah-tah". When Data corrected him and the scientst asked "What's the difference?" Data said "One is my name, the other is not."

@Tantal85 22 дня назад

While I agree that you should make an effort to pronounce a proper name in the close to the way the owner does, a proper name absolutely changes due to the accent of the speaker who pronounces it. You cannot expect every person to learn the sounds of every language and accent just to say a name, and it would probably sound weird if they did. Like if everyone started saying Mario in Italian or even New York accent if you feel that would be more correct.

@dallor09 20 часов назад

why did nintendo sue palworld over patients?

@Tython82 16 часов назад

Well if it is like Colopl case then it would be because Palworld tried to patent something that already existed and tried to profit from breaking the "code of Honor" however until we see what patents Nintendo is suing over specifically, we won't know for sure.

@dallor09 14 часов назад

@@Tython82 Could nintendo be doing toe Colopl thing and suing palworld for using their patents?

@TheKingofGames1001 День назад

4:48 Actually Yes, right now, with Palworld.

@werewolf4925 День назад

Man, and here we are now with the Palworld case. Timing almost perfect here

@skrkttrqzq9984 День назад

Crazy that they randomly decided to let you in on what they are suing for isn't it?

@varietychan 25 дней назад

When trying to be slimy and get more money makes you lose money

@toumabyakuya 25 дней назад

Colopl were the ones that threw the first stone, Nintendo just defended themselves

@GeeMannn 25 дней назад

The Wario method 😂

@Doktario_Mystario 24 дня назад

if you want to make money, you also have to spend money

@kurux 25 дней назад

the funny things about nintendo dmca is, mostly of the time are trolls using nintendo name, the other time are just some smartass asking for money for their nintendo fangame lol

@noctarin1516 25 дней назад

Did anyone else think when he started talking about arcades, "Ugh, not another Nintendo VS Universal video"?

@LeoFlipnotes 25 дней назад

14:47 are those tomodatchi collection voices?!

@ItsCenrryTH 25 дней назад

Nope, it's just regular TTS Though... That would've been pretty neat.

@aurasentai9602 25 дней назад

@@ItsCenrryTH Specifically Aques talk spelling

@James89227 25 дней назад

You’ve been putting out some great stuff recently! Been around here a while and have always liked your stuff, but you’ve been killing it recently!

@Mjester12 День назад

Wait, in which year did Colopl notify the other companies of the punicon patent?

@YakuTa-dn3gr 25 дней назад

COLOPL: We didn't infringe anything we're innocent Nintendo: **points to ds** OKAY WHAT'S THIS THEN.

@markusturunen7929 18 дней назад

I once made in Unity for educational purposes, a Mario -parody game, Finnish Electrical installer Tapio. Still, I ensured not to infringe on Nintendo's copyright. He would have been a platformer hero climbing on electric towers to fix/install new electric hardware. I never published that game though since I didn't think it was good enough game to stand on its own. But I'm still kinda intrested to refine the consept at some point if I ever get funding for it.

@dededenova4098 25 дней назад

sega does shutdown a few of fan projects that aren't sonic based. but they don't get started very often in the first place :p

@D2daICE 24 дня назад

Moon Channel has some very good videos about Nintendo and SEGA, when it comes to their IP's and how protective or non-protective they are about it. I recommend watching them for a better understanding of the general topic.

@condemnedd684 25 дней назад

Sega is a bit heavily litigious, just not under the sega name… typically with their Atlus works

@NerdFiction 25 дней назад

always love when a new TGD gets posted!

@TechnoTejay 2 дня назад

If there’s a code of honor regarding patent infringements, what’s up with the Palworld situation? Does the code of honor not apply with Palworld or is Nintendo just not abiding by it anymore?

@Tython82 2 дня назад

Well, if we go by the subject matter of the video, the code was violated by something Palworld did.

@XelchanTheBrave 2 дня назад

We have seen Palworld blatantly steal Pokémon and Yokai Watch designs so I wonder if using patents is just a way to get to them for that. I mean, it's not like Nintendo killed Wipeout back when it released and that game was heavily inspired by F-Zero (back when the series was still alive). They also promoted Pizza Tower which is also heavily inspired by Wario Land and Wario Land is still a franchise they see worth in (even if they don't make new ones). Digimon, Yokai Watch, all have been popular Pokémon clones and rivals. So it's definitely not simply that Palworld is a popular Pokémon clone and it really makes you wonder *what* did Palworld do to cause Nintendo Ninjas' ire. My money is on stolen~modified 3d assets, but that is illegal to prove as they officially can't rip pal models, so they are doing their legal bullying through the patent method.

@Mrperson0 2 дня назад

Isn't the company behind Palworld in the same situation as Colopl? Looks like the Palworld devs are the new kids on the block that might have violated a patent.

@JS-rb4kc 2 дня назад

@Mrperson0 Well, what Colopl did was try to patent something that Nintendo already had, and then try and go after other developers for it. As far as we're aware, Pocketpair has not done this, so we'll have to wait and see as the case progresses to see if Pocketpair has tried to do something similar.

@innenfordfocuskaggern3476 2 дня назад

@@Mrperson0 they are not even close to being in the same boat, given that, as far as I know, they didn't start suing other people for patents while infinging on other's.

@paparick6234 День назад

I had this on my watch list for a while. What a time for me to start watching lol.

@todangtall 25 дней назад

Kind of makes me hope this "code of honor" is the reasoning behind the WB nemesis system patent. But probably not.

@frogfan449 23 дня назад

"even a child knows [to apologize]" is more like "ONLY a child..." because a mature person should correctly say they are innocent

@ExplodingMicrowave-animations 25 дней назад

Your like a second gaming historian that uploads more

@TurboBloost 24 дня назад

Hmm... I wonder what went wrong with SEGA Crazy Taxi's Green Arrow vs The Simpsons Hit and Run. If this "code of honor" was in place, why the heck SEGA proceeded to file a lawsuit towards the Hit & Run developers...

@Tustin2121 5 дней назад

Tbh, the whole “code of honor” thing sounds like a protection racket, if it’s even true in the first place. They want to choose winners.

@EcyGuy 25 дней назад

Me: Hey you know that Mario game Nintendo: *C E A S E A N D D E S I S T S A N D C R I E S I N R I C H*

@modelingcloy218 25 дней назад

brainless reply

@Pixlewatchtoo 25 дней назад

Ehhh kinda generic, like Myself

@blockman_games17 7 дней назад

nintendo copyright: knife in mario’s hand, knife in your wallet.

@shadicTPZ 25 дней назад

Damn the Japanese reactions were roasting the hell out of COLOPL

@Alex_dlc 25 дней назад

It's a great day when theres a new TGD upload!

@ty_sylicus 20 дней назад

Thanks for putting this together.

@UncrushableHope День назад

"Pay-tents"

@saboom0075 15 часов назад

I'm willing to buy this documentary because of how much research went into it, but the bit about what started the legal battle has me hesitant. Why is there so little information about colopl's role in being the "bad guy?" Colopl apparently started to try to enforce patents against other game devs, but it's not mentioned which devs? Also, there is an old (now defunct) mobile game Nintendo used to have called Dragalia Lost. One of the major reasons it failed in Japan is because of this lawsuit against Colopl, the devs of Shironeko. The Japanese fans of Shironeko HATED that Nintendo did this, and therefore actively boycotted playing Dragalia Lost. DL was even really similar in gameplay to Shironeko. If this is true, then why does this video frame Nintendo as "morally correct?" I'm concerned that some of the evidence in this video might be heavily biased to Nintendo for some reason. The Pal World lawsuit comes into question, because as far as we know at this point in time, Pocket Pair hasn't broken any sort of "code of honor." All of this is so complicated and confusing... I still hate Nintendo though

@hass556 13 часов назад

Exactly. You don’t care about facts. You just want your Nintendo hate justified.

@nicholausbuthmann1421 9 часов назад

Shouldn't KIRBY be the Lawyer in a business suit ?! HUH ?! Long Live "John Joseph Kirby" !

@skateboardmd9163 25 дней назад

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Dragalia Lost at all during the portions with Shironeko Project. Nintendo published it with Cygames iirc, and the gameplay is noticeably similar. The biggest traction the Colopla vs. Nintendo issue ever got outside of Japan was English speaking players trashing on Nintendo for releasing a game too similar to Shironeko project (felt slimy in many ways), but the game developer code of honor was never mentioned in those discussions, so that acually adds a ton of context.

@_Rhatsody 25 дней назад

There should be a code of honor for Nintendo not attacking fan games.

@toumabyakuya 25 дней назад

There would be if Nintendo weren't forced to prevent their IPs from turning into PD.

@TwilightLink77 25 дней назад

@@toumabyakuyaThat won’t happen till the games of their IPs turn 95 years old in which the next year they go straight to the public domain.

@toumabyakuya 25 дней назад

@@TwilightLink77 That's not the only way in which a product can become PD. If a product becomes common enough (as in, it is created by a certain amount of different companies), then the courts can declare said IP as PD.

@TwilightLink77 25 дней назад

@@toumabyakuya That, and if they forget to renew their copyright to the ip

@ProjectionProjects2.7182 25 дней назад

@@toumabyakuya Thats not how copyright works. You don't lose your copyright simply because someone else is infringing on it. Your confusing copyright with trade mark which can be lost under extreme circumstances.

@fmlam4906 25 дней назад

Request: how was the Legend of Zelda created (I know the story, but it needs to be more in-depth, like which new features are added to each game)

@mouldywilson День назад

Came here from the Ginx TV shoutout.

@silveramyknux241 25 дней назад

0:45 Watch out Mario’s Madness Fans. Nintendo said to the modders “I’m-a going to get you!”.

@Dakress23 3 дня назад

Given Nintendo just sued Palworld's devs over their game infringing Pokemon patents, I can't help but wonder if the latter got too smug with their success just like Conopl...

@YellowDice 3 дня назад

Most of the models in palword are heavily modified from pokemon ones so yeah I'm not gonna defend them at all.

@ladyaceina 2 дня назад

@@YellowDice that would be copyright not patent

@KyrieFortune 2 дня назад

@@YellowDicethat would be copyright infringement, not patent infringement. That means they aren't claiming they copied Pokémons themselves, but likely the idea of collecting monsters with some kind of object. I uh. I have bad news about the very common hobby Japanese kids have of catching bugs, Nintendo...

@Arcessitor День назад

@@YellowDice You're not smart.

@Sirkittenthe3rd 24 дня назад

If I name my son mario then will nintendo take him out?

@toumabyakuya 25 дней назад

0:07 - 0:21 That is because, unlike Nintendo, SEGASammy (the actual owners of Sonic) doesn't care at all if they lose control over Sonic The Hedgehog (the IP) meanwhile they retain control over Sonic The Hedgehog (the character) and said character keeps the reputation of "SEGA does what Nintendon't". 0:55 - 1:19 As Iwata said (and can be seen at 0:39): _"socially diminishes the dignity or _*_value_*_ of our intellectual properties"._ Believe it or not, fan games can diminish the value of their IPs, as such, Nintendo is obligated to protect their IPs.

@oni2662 25 дней назад

yes if one of the fan games turns out to be more liked than one of their official releases people might stop buying their games and playing the fan games instead. So is a legit concern.

@redstone0234 25 дней назад

yeah tbh sega is just as bad as nintendo on non-sonic fangames

@kevinkerkhoff6670 24 дня назад

But what about coloplas claims toward other companies infringing on their patents?

@metazoxan2 25 дней назад

The thing to always keep in mind is in many cases if you don't defend a patent you can set precedent to make it harder to defend. That's not to say Nintendo never gets carried away ... but at this point their company is ... rather dependant on their established IP library. So I can understand why they protect their IPs like a mother protecting their children.

@Soren_Pedersen 24 дня назад

Exactly, Nintendo doesn't actually want to take down fangames, the feel like they have to because of bad legislation. If they don't do it, they might actually lose everything. Pokemon Showdown is a good example of a fan project that is not a threat to their IP, and has been up for almost two decades. The only way to get out of this situation is to have laws that protects the right to make fan projects, which in return makes sure they are not a threat to the relevant IP.

@nightmarearcade2663 24 дня назад

This is what I tell a lot if people. Nintendo ain't a perfect company but people act like they're as bad as Actiblizz or Konami just because they take down fan games and emulation. I may not agree with the fan games thing but emulation at least when it comes to modern consoles and games still being sold? Yeah man they have every right to take that down.

@Doktario_Mystario 24 дня назад

@@Soren_Pedersen MoonChannel made a video about and it's apparently "officially" endorsed

@circeciernova1712 19 дней назад

This is factually unfounded. A trademark becoming genericized is a defense to trademark infringement, particularly in cases of extensive inaction; but patent law does not similarly dilute the power of a patent over inaction.

@Tustin2121 5 дней назад

That’s not how patents work. That’s how trademark works.

@EmoryIllustrated День назад

The timing of this video is so uncanny. Just three weeks before Nintendo, once again, sues for patent infringement, but this time for a less honorable reason.

@icecontrol1 День назад

Is it though? Literally no one knows which patent is even the one talked about

@PhilipWester 15 дней назад

I will never forgive Colopl for killing off "Quiz RPG: The World of Mystic Wiz".

@Vantainium 10 часов назад

Man video game patents should work differently. You shouldn’t be able to just patent ideas

@superblitz 11 дней назад

"the best investment a corporation can make, is buying a politician." Law firms largest source of income is from Corporations. All in all: Corporations do not have to win a case, they just want to get it dismissed or out last their opposition with deeper pockets, then retro actively get laws enacted (e.g. Disney and public domain)

@alvarochaves1999 24 дня назад

Nintendo didn't sued Level-5 for using this control scheme for the touch screen.

@Abicuh 24 дня назад

I think the problem is that Colopl patented something that Nintendo already patented before, and Colopl wanted money for people to use said patent.

@ZechariahB 9 дней назад

11:26 is where you notice Christmas music is playing

@karenfan010 22 дня назад

nintendo is like a bear, poke even once and your f*cked. hopefully me saying that doesn’t make me end up in court.

@Samantha.K.S.Simpson 25 дней назад

I really hope other game companies were backing Nintendo given they've known Nintendo for YEARS compared to that other company with the stupidest name

@hiddenflare6169 25 дней назад

Gamer: ‘Breathes.’ Nintendo: “DO YOU WANT TO GET SUED!?”

@thatgarryman9400 25 дней назад

Obviously. Mario breathes, so they copyrighted breathing

@Alpha-oo8 25 дней назад

It’s interesting, I’ve seen Pokémon fan games a lot lately. Pokerogue, radical red, the ones with fusions. Are you sure they go after EVERY fan game?

@ghoulchan7525 9 дней назад

They have to know it exists. So yeah the more some fan games get talked about. The faster they will catch wind of it. Loose lips sink ships

@genericgamer9910 2 дня назад

My bet is that Nintendo/Gamefreak/Tcpi intentionally shove their head into the sand in regards to pokemon fangames, because they only really take action when one is brought to the absolute forefront of their attention, like Uranium releasing more or less the same week as Sun and Moon,, while also having a Patreon. And a self made ad as a youtube video. Uranium definitely poked the hornet's nest with that one.

@party11440 День назад

Another infamous takedown is Pokemon Brick Bronze on Roblox, but even though I played the shit out of that game, I'd say it was deserved because of the amount of microtransactions in that game.

@therollingcreeper1 20 дней назад

We should just ban nintendo's ip adresses

@PrivCaboose 25 дней назад

Another really fascinating episode. Thank you for all your content! I always look forward to your videos :)

@thecommentor1804 25 дней назад

Honestly the only reason why I clicked on this video is because I don’t know if the hand in the thumbnail is suppose to be behind the text. The biggest mystery of all.

@Iffondrel 17 часов назад

I am REALLY curious to know how this aligns with Nintendo's newest lawsuit against Palworld. I know it was only a matter of time, with how they copy the pokemon models and are making a non-family friendly spoof of the game, but then i saw that it's over patent infringement for things like the ball capture system.

@spudz21 17 дней назад

0:39 I’m sorry but I once made a game on Roblox and used an item where you could change your face and one of these faces was a drawing of Luigi and the game got taken down, ah yes but I apologise for “socially diminishing the dignity or value of their intellectual properties”😭😭😭

@originalCandidate 2 дня назад

So now what

@JayLeeBeanz 12 дней назад

Wait, a useful Nintendo lawsuit? In this universe? I think we found the glitch in the matrix, boys.

@TheBanana212_ 25 дней назад

YEAH TGD UPLOADED!

@ilikegetting 17 дней назад

Guys who want to sue Nintendo to end this sued forever

@MrMariosonicman День назад

the current patent lawsuit for palworld... I wonder if its as lawful as the time this happened.

@Nesroboi 25 дней назад

Theres actually a Whole Community dedicated to FanMade Mario Horror Known as The Horrorbrew Community and it has tons of cases of Mario and other characters being a Horror Antagonist Theres even a Wiki Dedicated to Horrorbrews!

@ruinknightsir 17 дней назад

Nintendo makes such bad lawsuits that the lawsuit that stands out is the valid one.

@knellycornnan5132 20 дней назад

Nintendo wasn't abusing their power by taking down Pokemon Uranium or AM2R. There is a lot of problems that can happen by them leaving these games up. Especially in the case of AM2R since it turned out they were working on a Super Metroid remake when AM2R was posted online. Idk about you, if I was paying hundreds of workers to make a game then I found out some people ripped my assets from another game and unloaded the game for free I'd want to do something about it.

@yummynubs3646 3 дня назад

So what I'm hearing is that Palworld is about to get wiped off the face of the earth

@SPONGEBOB20 3 дня назад

Yeah I remembered this vid specifically after it was announced earlier. I’m curious what went on behind the scenes over this year that led to this.

@iam18bitch2 3 дня назад

@@SPONGEBOB20 They recently patented capturing creatures in balls and using them to fight. So recently as to be AFTER Palworld's RELEASE. So it looks like they patented it solely to take down Palworld.

@Tython82 2 дня назад

@iam18bitch2 From what I have seen, what actually happened was that Nintendo updated an older patent from 2021 that was related to the Pokémon Arceus systems. Of thisnis what the Palworld case is about, then yeah, this is suspicious timing.

@AllieThePrettyGator 8 дней назад

Its been like this for over 10 years

@jorgegutierrezabdo 25 дней назад

Another excellent video thank you!

@johnnobon 25 дней назад

Enforcing a patent on a rudimentary game mechanic is like the guy who boigh up the rights to that black paint and forbids anyone else from using it.

@wildberrysherbert3803 2 дня назад

It's funny that this happened mere weeks before Nintendo announced that they are suing Pocketpair Inc. (The developers of Palworld) and I think that Pocketpair were trying to do the exact same thing, patent the Pal Sphere mechanic, and then Nintendo and the Pokémon Company caught wind of this and went "nah-uh-ah!" and sued Pocketpair in response.

@tikus8567 2 дня назад

Is there any evidence so far that Pocketpair is trying to patent the Pal Sphere mechanic, or is it just speculation?

@JS-rb4kc День назад

@tikus8567 Exactly, we don't know if that's the case. If Pocketpair was trying to patent something that was similar to an existing Nintendo patent, I feel as though we would have known about it already. But at the same time, maybe there's a process before a patent becomes general public knowledge, and Pocketpair was in that process. Or maybe they patented something that was not similar to what Nintendo had, but they went after other developers for the patent(s), breaking the "code of honor". So Nintendo decided to go after them because Pocketpair is likely to have violated a few of Nintendo's patents due to the sheer scope of them. Again, that's entirely speculation as we don't know what patents are being infringed upon and we also don't know if there were any previous actions from Pocketpair that caused this to happen. So we are just going to have to see.

@wildberrysherbert3803 День назад

@@tikus8567 It's just speculation on my end, but I find it quite likely.

@pyrobomb3161 День назад

This provides a contradiction, you claim pocket pair is trying to patent something and nintendo is doing this to stop them but, there is no (public) implications from palworld that they are doing it so nintendo wouldn't know. This means nintendo is doing this for a different reason

@tikus8567 День назад

@@pyrobomb3161 Yeah, he is tin-foil hatting, not worth to get into arguments as it is speculation without proof. Better to base our opinions around facts that already happened.

@cleancookies1908 25 дней назад

Nintendo usually never does scummy lawsuits or takedown of fan games. The only time they’ve done it for fan games is when it can hurt sales of Nintendo games, an example being some sort of Mario maker a year before the official one came out. The other is when it socially diminishes the dignity or value of their intellectual properties. Also, a lot of people can’t seem to see the difference between Nintendo and the Pokémon company. Nintendo owns a part of the Pokémon company but otherwise the company is its own thing.