I understand a large chunk of my audience isn't in the market for a $4300 system (neither am I), but if you'd like a TL:DW, check out timestamp ~ 16:51. Another Fix or Flop episode is coming soon!
Greg, we love you buddy. But not many of us are here to see some viciously-overpriced pre-built dangled tantalizingly in front of us. We're here to figure out how to optimize our limited budgets (sometimes VERY limited budgets) and keep those rigs running their best. I recently upgraded from an old I5 2400-based system to a Ryzen 5 2600-based system I built myself (in part from things I learned on your channel) and it felt like I just traded in my old Atari for a Supercomputer. These insanely expensive pre-builts exist only for people with more money than brains.
Greg the reason why only two slots are filled should be obvious. If you weren't aware quad channel DDR5 causes instability with both amd and intel chips If all 4 where used you'd get non stop blue screens and the system would take a long time to post because it's retraining memory
My Son spent just over 4k for the new PC HE built. It had a expensive NZXT Motherboard, a 7800X3D, 64 gigs of DDR5 6000 RAM, a liquid cooled MSI RTX 4090, A 4TB Nvme drive, a Hyte Y60 case, and a 360 Rad for the CPU. It came in just under $4100.
I personally would not build with DDR4 unless you are building a $800 build or below. For 3k I would go WITH DDR5, you can always use your ram if you are going to upgrade later or move cases for another build. Good video Greg.
Greg seems a little out of the loop on RAM... he also complained about it only being 2 sticks, most Intel memory controllers don't do very well with 4 stick DDR5 configurations, so this is the best config for performance. Well besides being only 5600 MT/s, ideally you'd want over 7000, but not sure if that speed is available at that capacity.
@@bobbymoss6160not everyone has the time or interest in building and cable managing a system. Some of us make so much per hour that it isn't worth it to spend the time building it if it costs us on the other end.
For the whole two dimms thing, not only does it allow for upgrades, but only running two puts less load on the memory controller which could allow faster speeds. While the cable management looks good and for the people who are the most likely to buy this it isn't an issue, I really don't like the excessive use of zip ties because it makes it a huge pain if you ever need to change anything.
Interesting how the premium is only about 10%. I’m curious how much extra wiggle room Origin has being owned by Corsair seeing just about every piece that can be Corsair is.
I think one of the biggest advantages of a prebuilt system is the warranty and support. Sure, you get that with individual parts but then that generally means you have to fault find to determine what part is faulty. With a prebuilt system it covers the whole PC and a good SI will do their best to diagnose the problem for you. For the markup price that's not always a bad deal.
Thank you for the content Greg, when you buy a pre-built you also pay for the brand to process all your warranty claims and their customer service. Plus they help you find the specific fault of the system so you don't have to be speaking to each vendor of each part in case something fails. I'd say the extra money of buying a pre-built is great if you want convenience and practicality. But if you are used to troubleshooting and don't care about practicality, convenience and can deal with the whole computer thing, then you may be fine building it yourself and saving some money.
yeah his pricing didn't account for the premium of the Founder's Edition too. So probably closer to $300 premium. For cable management, warranty and headache of not putting it together its a pretty damn good deal.. if you have 5k
The funny thing about people buying systems as expensive as this one is that many of them won't be playing anything more demanding than GTA5 or Call of Duty. Or in other words, stuff you could play on a $1,000 prebuilt from a few years ago running a Core i5 and a GTX 1660. I'll admit that I fell into that trap a couple of years ago---I built a modern gaming rig, thinking that I was gonna get into some serious gaming....and that never happened. So now I'm playing Sims 4 (a title that will play on integrated graphics) with a Core i7, RTX 2060 (I know, old card) and 32 GB of memory. It's too much, I don't need that
Its really interesting to think of the advantage origin has as far as parts givin that they're owned by corsair. They're probably making a huge profit without pricing it much higher than if you built it yourself simply because the corsair products inside are probably at a huge markdown.
That and the fact that systems integrators do not purchase parts from Amazon or pay retail prices even for parts that are not produced by a parent company.
Honestly I like the content you normally make. It's always different to everyone else. Fix or flop, your cleaning series and your series with micro centre. Their all original. With reviews mostly it's the new stuff like the 7800xt coming out soon that interests me. And I'm not going to watch 5 different reviews for the same product. So I think you took the right path.
If you wanna stay up to date it's whatever but if you are actually looking to buy an expensive piece of hardware watching multiple reviews is pretty critical.
@@GeekProdigyGuy Yes if was buying then I would do more research. I'm really into computer hardware both new and old. Actually as it turned out there was a major piece of information missing from the review I watched. That the 7800xt actually replaces the 6800, not the 6800xt.
I noticed the 360 rad. I have the same one in white. Those are not the high static pressure fans that come with it. Those are QL120 rgb fans which I have 9 of. Those are terrible at cooling when it comes to forcing air. They are not static pressure fans.
So very refreshing to hear somebody speak truthly about a company and their pricing. So many tubers are not honest like this. Thanks!! If i built it and sold it, I would have actually charged a bit more especially since a person buyimg at this price would more than likely be a one time buyer.
Actually for gaming 2 sticks of RAM is actually better believe it or not. XMP profiles might not work with 4 RAM sticks so for gaming workloads 2 Sticks is more stable. But for this price I don't think someone spending this much money is buying this for just gaming and to be honest for production this machine is definitely lacking. Also for gaming purposes I feel the 7800x3d is not only better but more affordable to be honest. I did a similar build on pcpartpicker to this with the big change being platform and it was around 3k. Plus this build has too many fans.
It's a bit embarrassing my current PC was more expensive than this. Bought at the time when 13th Gen and RTX 40-series both just released so I paid the "new parts tax" big time. That being said, it's been almost a year since and I've immensively enjoyed my use of it so I can't say I regret it.
One counter suggestion once a year review the best laptop for an average guy, with what you recommend in RAM 8/16/32, I noticed that some laptops now come with 4 gigs of ram now. 2 Terabytes of Pcle or NVME? Ideal video display at 11.6"/14"/15.6" and how many usb and which quality ports. I trust you and would be interested in what you think.
The price gap, some might say is worth it for the piece of mind that there will be support for issues if they occur. The price of windows wasn’t factored in either. I would rather build mine but there are some that would rather have a warranty for the 300 dollar difference (after windows price). Great video. Different strokes for different folks.
Also fact of the matter is that their cable management and testing/QC will probably be way better than most amateurs'. Of course anybody could do the same in theory, but you need so much practice and time if you aren't already used to it. I wouldn't spend $4k for consumer grade parts but I mean if I made 3x or 5x the money I make now sure why the hell not. Sure building a PC is fun but it's not necessary in my life.
@@GeekProdigyGuy It is totally worth it to build your own system like that if you care for value for money, that is. QC basically means you don't have defective parts. "Of course anybody could do the same in theory, but you need so much practice and time if you aren't already used to it." How do you even know that and why does it even matter? Decent cable management is not rocket science. 🤔
I could understand why people who haven't ever built a computer would be intimidated at the prospect of correctly assembling of $3800 worth of hardware. It's a reasonable markup.
A point on there only being 2 DIMMs populated, it is best to run the system that way. Due to how the PCB traces are designed, running 4 DIMMs reduces the performance of the RAM as they no longer run synchronised and this desync adds a lot of strain to the CPU memory controller as it works to compensate for it. This can also be an issue in getting the system to even boot with anything beyond the lowest JEDEC speeds. Its recommend to stick only 2 stick configs on dual channel boards. Any more or less will hurt performance and/or stability.
I think an interesting video to do with this would be to see if you could build a system that either beats it, or at least matches it, for a lot less money. I mean, you could save a ton on fans alone, some on a case, etc..even if you used the same number of fans, you could find ones cheaper that would probably still give you the same temps (or maybe even better) and you could almost certainly get more storage in it. I'd love to see that challenge undertaken.
Matching is one thing, but beating it in any definitive way is way too hard, for gaming at least. Maybe the RAM choice could be a bit better, but other than that the 13900KS and 4090 are just absolute top of the line right now.
@@GeekProdigyGuy I'd argue that if we're talking about gaming, then the cheaper 7800x3D is the better/faster option so there you could easily improve on it and save money. Now factor in a cheaper case, the dirt cheap options on storage and RAM right now, not using as many or as expensive fans...and you could possibly match or beat it while saving at least a few hundred bucks and the challenge would be to see just how much you could save and at least get close to it.
i don’t mean to be that guy but the fans the cooler comes with aren’t being used, there’s actually 10 corsair ql fans being used in the build bringing the price a $100 closer
With a 360mm AIO on that 13900KS CPU, CPU temps will hit 100C immediately with Cinebench R23. Won't be an issue with gaming, so it should be marketed as a gaming PC, and *not* for productivity / content creation.
I would like to say that as well and point out that a full review should include newer pc games and some more testing to see what we get temperature-wise.
The 2 Dimm RAM issue... as far as I know is you cannot enable XMP currently when slotting in all 4 DIMMs. We found this out when building my friends PC with 4x 32GB DIMMs, and it wouldn't even boot to windows when enabling XMP. Food for thought if you're looking to start a new build.
I recently got a pc through Origin. Came in a crate. The glass side panel got scratched up from the bag inside. The AIO is a ique h150i lcd elite capellix xt, the lcd screen only showes temps. Really want it to show a pic or gif. Reached out to their support, they are shipping out a new glass pannel. As for the AIO... no word back, it's been over a week on that. But overall the pc is amazing.
I really enjoyed this video. I didn’t expect the price and felt pretty negative in the beginning. I know it’s tough cause it’s expensive as heck, but I wanna see the Corsair top end stuff reviewed by you. The main reason is that the 3090 system was $600 more than the 4090 system.
Maybe it's a bit nitpicky but for 4.3k I expect 140mm fans. Also windows pro should be on there. I'm also not a fan of so many fans because it does nothing to the cooling, especially when the front panel is a glas panel. I'd never ever spend so much money on this.
I remember JTC did a review recently as well. I can’t remember exact details but it would seem any review concludes the same. For the price it seems a very powerful but ordinary PC would be on the way.
I also noticed that with everything and the i9 13900ks paired with the 4090. 1000w psu doesn't seem like a good idea if overclocking. Without overclocking your wattage should be below 1000w, but if you overclocking your wattage would be above 1000w
i bought a really expensive prebuilt recently, i'm by no means rich, and built my old computer, but being able to get top specs on 0% finance, felt like a no brainer to spend the premium of a prebuilt
The reason why the markup isn’t as high as you’re expecting is, of course, because Corsair owns Origin, so they get the case/fans/PS/AIO/etc. at manufacturing cost. Your DIY version already has Corsair’s profit for those items “baked-in.”
Very pretty build. I don’t feel it’s worth over $4k though. So many fans just throwing air around everywhere. 😂 I’m betting to match the performance of this build you could buy everything for around $3k Edit ok I wasn’t that far off. I was listening and typing at the same time. 😅
It’s been at least 20 years since I built my own pc. Every time for my personal use it’s always been about the cheapest laptop I could find. I still don’t have a need for something like this but it performance does seem to almost be worth it, and certainly in the top 1% is surprising.
For the build itself is not that expensive as the markup is not as much but to be honest the build seems mismatch for gaming and too weak for production. For gaming you want a 7800x3d CPU and production usually use Quatro GPU not consumer GPU. You can get a better gaming PC for around 3k dollars and use that 1k you saved for a quality UPS (for the love of God have a UPS if you have a PC as expensive as an old used car) or extra storage.
@@ACE112ACE112 "Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS)" Protects you against low power and power surges while conditioning power and allowing time for the system to auto shutdown when your main power goes down.
@@ACE112ACE112 Uninterruptible Power Supply. It's a combination of high quality surge protector and battery backup so you can save work and safely shutdown in the event of a power outage or a lightning storm.
That wiring job looked like my wiring in my personal PC (Corsair Crystal 570X case) & others I've built for customers at the PC shop I work at. Am I working for them in my sleep? It'a about time I saw some excellent wiring from a PC company.
Hi Greg. I like your videos because I always learn something new. This PC could be the brother of my CORSAIR i8100, except for the price difference. Given the price of these, I'm surprised they didn't come with a 4TB M2 SSD instead of two 2TB ones. Like that the component list that says RTX 4090 x 1.
I am just building out my rig, making sure I have proper airflow. It is a prebuilt, because the parts in the system were almost 250 dollars cheaper than if I had built it myself.
Ram and storage seem quite cheaper out on for over four thousand dollars. That is kind of insane, you’d think expect atm easy 2-3 TB hard drive for that price.
The one and only time I bought a pre-built PC was in 2021. It was the middle of the pandemic, bitcoin was through the roof in value and bitcoint miners and bots were making picking up a GPU, or most components in general nearly impossible. So I bit the bullet and spent about $2800 on a pre-built PC. It had an RTX 3080, a Ryzen 9 5900X, 16GB of 3600 ram, and for me it was worth every cent. For how hard it was to get components at the time, and with how bad scalping was I probably ended up saving money if I were to build it myself. I eventually got a total of 32 GB of ram, and upgraded the power supply in order to get an RTX 4090 as well.
I understand your value-based perspective Greg, and for a gamer I would consider this machine to be an extravagance limited to the 'whale' segment of the market. However, this is an Origin PC we're talking about here and if you view it from a professional context what it offers is an absolute bargain. If I was a dev or an editor or a 3D animation contractor this machine would be perfect. Yes, I would double the RAM and install a 10GB LAN card and have it talk to a hhigh-speedNAS. This machine's performance is definitely treading on some workstation toes.
Why are people buying prebuilds, lol. The most satisfying thing about pc gaming is the whole process of buying and assembling the parts. There is nothing like the feeling of putting all the parts together, and boot it up for the first time. 🥰🥰🥰
the Zotac 4090 is 1599 the Nvidia FE is currently 2049 found the 400 dollars...of course Origin isnt paying retail to corsair or for any parts that matter... i would assume their big enough to get everything at wholesale bulk pricing.
From what I undertand for DDR5, 12th and 13th gen intel doesn't play nice with 4 sticks of ram with xmp turned on.. I bought 4 sticks of Dominator Plat ram for 64 gigs total at 6200 speeds. and I kept getting blue screens and all the errors while running the memory test
My latest build: ROG Hyperion case ROG Zenith Extreme II Alpha MB 128 MB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 RAM Nvidia 4090 founder's edition GPU Thermaltake 360 AIO 1000w rgb PSU And over 20 TB of storage between 5 M2 drives and two SSD drives All for a tad over 5k with today's ridiculous prices. But the machine can fly to Mars.
I think good series would be doing DIY version for Pre-builds where you can safe some bucks and gain fps "If you pick right components". I would love to watch it. All tho I have gaming pc these types of videos would be even good for me
Ya for $4300 US + tax they could've at least doubled the storage for a total of 4tb. With the price of RAM & storage dipping way down I don't think it would hurt their profit margins much especially when most of these companies get pallets at wholesale cost. They could've also already figured out a solution for that AIO tube hitting the GPU. I know it would've looked janky but put a zip tie or something to hold it away from that fan. Someone that isn't around computers much might turn it on as is & before you know it noise & possible water leak all over that pricey 4090. Don't get me wrong, it's a very nice rig (especially that cable management in the back) but with some tweaking parts & tidying minor things the price would be a little easier to swallow.
@7:45 the specs are not quite correct. The AIO is the Corsair iCUE H150i Elite LCD or the LCD XT. They are more expensive then the CAPELLIX XT wich has no LCD screen. Not to mention those coolers or the case dont come with the QL fans. So you would need to add the price difference of the cooler and 4 more QL fans.
Well, I really like this channel but want to point out that Origin (Corsair) doesn't pay PCPartpicker vendor prices for components so they are making a whole lot more than the $400 plus markup. Newegg and Amazon, for example, already build profit into their pricing, Corsair buys trays of CPUs and they make much of the other stuff. I also hope to see Greg assemble his alternative build especially since I want to see him put an Arctic 360 AND a Zotac Trinity OC 4090 in a 4000D Airflow.
His comparison is more prebuilt vs diy… yes origin is making more than $400 per unit if we exclude wages, but how could we know what they pay to build each part
I don't understand the point of your argument. Do you want Origin/Corsair to drop their price a little lower just because it makes you feel better about them?
Did your DIY price include the fan hub/controllers? Adding those, the OS and the amazing cable management the prebuild price isn't horrible. I'd say it is more like a 10% price difference. Now I'm sure they are getting much better discounts increasing their profit margin. I wouldn't personally spend that much on a PC but it is not a huge price difference which is good for consumers that want a prebuilt with quality parts.
10% to 15% labour on an item of this complexity and quality seems to be a fair proposition. The gross margin considering Origin does not purchase components at retail prices should be at about 25% - 30% (this is a luxury item, not your Ford Fiesta), again not an unfair deal. What is a little bit disappointing is the fact that some of the accessories are prior generation - not using ICUE components is a major miss.
Why would you try to save money when you are building a last-gen top of the range build? I say it because 970 evo are not that good and ddr4??? I swear I always like your choices but I don't think this was the right choice in this case (It´s my opinion)
Love the review but, apples to apples you would need to add 4 more QL fans and the cpu cooler was the elite. Just thought it would be the most fair to make the build identical. keep you the great work!
With that $465 that you save with DIY you could buy a new gaming headset/speakers plus peripherals like a gaming mouse and mechanical keyboard and much more.
Another 2 DDR5 sticks would have been a bad idea. The memory controller doesn’t get along with 4 sticks and if they do post, it will be at a lower speed.DDR5 is not quite ready for prime time, just as DDR4 was at its infancy.
7:45 Yeah but many of the parts are Corsair and, as you said, Origin is owned by Corsair so those parts are, maybe not free, but vastly lower than the consumer price.
And I'm sure original is paying alot less than pc part pickers on parts from bulk ordering discounts. So I'm sure their profit is more then even what you have down at 400 plus dollars.
With this prebuilt, the Corsair tax is in full effect. It's not as bad as the Apple tax but it is there. DDR5 5600mhz CL 40 memory in a PC for that price is insane!
That’s a lot of cheddar. But I mean over the years from 2016 (when I built my first gaming pc, yes I built it myself I hate prebuilt), till now 2023, I’ve spent a LOOOOTTTT of money. But! It’s upgrading and I sell my old parts to help cover costs of new ones. But I have to say, I bought an asus rog strix 4090 and that was 2100 after tax so yeah. Then my 13900k, fans from Corsair, new z790 mobo I mean this shit isn’t cheap. But yes I see that this is the most expensive as you usually deal with cheaper more, down to earth rigs. Good luck haha
You should notice how the Ram is going RGB but everything else is steady colors. This is due to ICue and ArmouryCrate not working together. ICue states it can control those things but it actually only works until you reset the system. You will save money not having the RGB on the GPU and Ram since these scummy companies instead of making a universal application that easily could work want you to keep in their ecosystem.
They went with two sticks of DDR5 not to let you upgrade, it's because most CPUs are incapable of running four DDR5 DIMMs at faster than around DDR5 4000, if they can do it at all.
Great Channel Just need to upgrade my 10 year old pc, Gaming is cool , But My needs for Art and design. Running MSI 7756 H77MA-G43 , i5-3330, and GTX 750..... :(
