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When discussing groundbreaking films, we tend to talk a lot about the vision of the writer/director. But does that leave out a part of the story? Let's take a look at the role of the editor and see who had more influence on the film than you may think.
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@purplehaze2358
@purplehaze2358 4 года назад
Editing is actually a lot like audio design. It’s almost only noticed when it’s done poorly.
@MrThrillzone
@MrThrillzone 4 года назад
“if you do too much people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope…when you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”
@djstarsign
@djstarsign 4 года назад
I recently watched Mauvais Sang and the editing is some of the most energetic and compelling I’ve ever seen. It give the film a dynamic rhythm and stylistic presence that I’ve seen employed in other films but none has had the same impact.
@user-bz6eg8ec8y
@user-bz6eg8ec8y 4 года назад
“It's like a plumber: do your job right and nobody should notice. But when you fuck it up, everything gets full of shit.”
@thomas4233
@thomas4233 4 года назад
Must be why Bohemian Rapsody got noticed so much
@ryadh456
@ryadh456 4 года назад
True
@mja2317
@mja2317 4 года назад
Worth mentioning that George Miller's wife Margaret Sixel edited Mad Max: Fury Road. And it's one of the best edited films of the decade along with Parasite and Whiplash.
@AnnaGirardini
@AnnaGirardini 4 года назад
I was scrolling the comment section looking for someone mentioning that movie!
@futurestoryteller
@futurestoryteller 4 года назад
Thought I heard she had no experience on top of all that, but her Wikipedia says her work goes back at least as far as "Babe: Pig in the City"
@giascle
@giascle 4 года назад
When asked why he chose his wife to edit his film, Miller observed that she had never cut an action movie before, and that if it were to be edited by "the usual kind of guys, it would look like every other action movie we see."
@FanGali
@FanGali 4 года назад
Whiplash... really? Hhhhh.... no offense, but you need more culture and shut it a little (no offense to Margaret Sixel, though)
@ggthtrhr
@ggthtrhr 4 года назад
parasite is overrated
@Scarabola
@Scarabola 4 года назад
Me, sees thumbnail: ha, you think I don't know who John Hughes is? Lmao! Me, sees video: oh.
@KiraFriede
@KiraFriede 4 года назад
Exactly what I thought too.
@dr_volberg
@dr_volberg 4 года назад
Same.
@michaelstuart341
@michaelstuart341 4 года назад
I'm surprised you've heard of John Hughes. He's pretty indie
@lounowell4171
@lounowell4171 4 года назад
you all realise that was clearly intentional right you're not sharing in a quirky coincidence of misinterpretation, just got collectively duped
@RealGlowup
@RealGlowup 4 года назад
😂 yes! It got us all good sir 🧐
@thebasedgodmax1163
@thebasedgodmax1163 4 года назад
a video like this is why i think you're easily one of the best film video essay type channels. instead of churning out forgettable over analysis's of something there's already an abundance of videos on, you create something like this, shining light on an extremely important person who's name never gets mentioned in conversation. thank you, mr now you see it.
@lucasmachado6447
@lucasmachado6447 4 года назад
I think he's the closest out there to the quality of Every Frame a Painting. His essays actually convince you and he makes interesting, original points
@Jesse__H
@Jesse__H 4 года назад
over-analyses* 😊👍
@kostajovanovic3711
@kostajovanovic3711 4 года назад
I wonder at whom are you trowing shade at?
@Isabel-zt7mw
@Isabel-zt7mw 4 года назад
i feel the exact same way!
@Aster_Risk
@Aster_Risk 4 года назад
@@kostajovanovic3711 I think it's just general shade. There are a ton of great channels, but it sometimes feels like the same things are talked about too often. It's nice to see something that isn't covered all that much.
@henryglennon3864
@henryglennon3864 4 года назад
That Sally Menke died after Inglorious Basterds explains so much about Tarantino's last three films.
@cannonfodder4000
@cannonfodder4000 4 года назад
I had no idea that's awful! I loved django, havent seen hateful eight and didnt like Once Upon a Time that much
@henryglennon3864
@henryglennon3864 4 года назад
@@cannonfodder4000 I love Django too, but I'm sure that a lot of people can agree that the final act is almost two acts bolted together. Once Upon is good, but I think could really benefit from some trimming, and Hateful 8 is 33-50% lard. I think that knowing Menke would be reviewing Tarantino's work at the end of the process made him get to the point faster, and focus on what mattered. And it's not like she was cut-happy. She edited Jackie Brown, which actually needs to be as long as it is.
@MotherAce
@MotherAce 4 года назад
arguebly, he'd already learned by that time. The last 3 Tarantino's aren't weaker than any previous. The editing for "Hateful 8", aren't worse than any of the lesser examples of pacing prior. I was worried when Menke died, but most of Tarantino's best scenes are usually the absolute longest ones. "Once upon..." has brilliant lengthy editing. Chances are, he wasn't wrong about the diner scene in "Pulp Fiction" either. I have no idea on what basis the above essay argues the combative nature of Menke/Tarantino. Seems to me it was Tarantino's brillance that properly recognized the talent of Menke combined with his work, and not the other way around.
@MuscarV2
@MuscarV2 4 года назад
I didn't love any of his films from inglorious basterds to the hateful eight. But I absolutely loved Once upon a time, it had something that was missing in the others. I really can't say what though, need a rewatch and to think about it.
@elijahcassidy
@elijahcassidy 4 года назад
She must've been one of the only people who could keep the reins on Tarantino, and now he has no one to convince him to hold back.
@NikkiM.
@NikkiM. 4 года назад
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
@dimitreze
@dimitreze 4 года назад
Kelley Dixon is the editor on Breaking Bad and left Better Call Saul to edit Falcon and the Winter Soldier. She is amazing.
@understandingart9961
@understandingart9961 3 года назад
Breaking Bad had Skip Macdonald as its main editor
@TheShipMunksTV
@TheShipMunksTV 4 года назад
It would have been nice to see Marcia Lucas included in this, she basically saved Star Wars from failure with her edit.
@quietdemon8138
@quietdemon8138 4 года назад
Lucestre eh not exactly she mainly worked on the final dogfight on the Death Star, it was mainly Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew who worked with George Lucas to re-edit practically every major scene from a new hope
@JB-bq2qj
@JB-bq2qj 4 года назад
At 8:39 would have been an appropriate moment for that
@TheShipMunksTV
@TheShipMunksTV 4 года назад
@@quietdemon8138 I believe you, but including her impact on the film would have fit the video well nonetheless!
@vancityband6577
@vancityband6577 4 года назад
@@quietdemon8138 To have invented a completely new narrative without any new shots is still a helluva achievement. And without the epic Death Star battle at the end, the film wouldn't have been so iconic.
@quietdemon8138
@quietdemon8138 4 года назад
Vancity Band completely agree all 3 editors combined their strengths and imo were instrumental in making the movie a phenomenal success and along with George’s directing and story writing, John Williams’ music and the actors making the unbelievable as plausible as possible made the movie go beyond what people expected it to
@kino_verite
@kino_verite 4 года назад
Jennifer Lame is slowly gaining the ranks in cinema - from Baumbach’s Marriage Story to Nolan’s Tenet.
@user-km9bx3gf3z
@user-km9bx3gf3z 4 года назад
I have a problem, I saw the word tenet and giggled in excitement
@uknownothing5128
@uknownothing5128 3 года назад
I loooooved Marriage Story's editing! Didn't know she also edited Tenet and now I'm more excited.
@raffirahmansyah
@raffirahmansyah 4 года назад
I now have more commitment into editing my school projects after this. Props to Dede Allen, even tho I know nothing about her before this video, she was very well underappreciated back then. Thanks uhh, now you see it.
@Moglidor
@Moglidor 4 года назад
Don’t mind me. Just here to help the algorithm.
@niccolo7504
@niccolo7504 4 года назад
she INVENTED THE J-CUT? wow i’m really surprised i’ve never heard of her
@colinjudge1261
@colinjudge1261 4 года назад
She didn’t invent the J-Cut, and in fairness to NYSI, he never actually worded it that way. He made the assertion that she made it a Hollywood standard. The J-Cut was used at least as far back as Godard’s À Bout de Souffle. While Dede Allen was a phenomenal editor, it it clear that she, like many of her era, was influenced heavily by the French New Wave, and made a career from refining the techniques introduced by those films. Important to note is that À Bout de Souffle was edited by Cécile Decugis. I can't say if she was the first to employ the J-Cut, or how much of a role was played by Godard in the editing suite. Certainly most conversations about the editing decisions of that movie centre around Godard's choices, but it's possible that it's another example of overlooking the creative role of the editor.
@robert3333
@robert3333 4 года назад
@@colinjudge1261 I always thought Citizen Kane already used J-Cuts? I'm not sure though.
@colinjudge1261
@colinjudge1261 4 года назад
It could well be! I’d imagine it was used quite often, sometimes out of necessity rather than creative choice. If there was no appropriate audio for one shot, just start the audio from the next shot early. Also, plenty of early films used fade transitions. At what point in the transition does it count as a J or L cut? A matter for scholars, I suppose...
@manuem8996
@manuem8996 4 года назад
@@colinjudge1261 I don't know how much reliable is this, but it's on imdb's trivia and could be an indicative answer: According to Jean-Pierre Melville, Godard asked him for consultation during the post-production stage because the first edit was too long for distribution. Melville suggested Godard remove all scenes that slowed down the action (his own turn as novelist Parvulesco included). But instead of excluding entire scenes, Godard cut little bits from here and there. This led to the "jump cut" technique this movie introduced. Melville declared the result to be excellent.
@PalaceDude
@PalaceDude 4 года назад
I'm sorry? I did not see one mention OR demonstration of the J-Cut here. I might have missed it, but I do see that she invented that "abrupt skip".
@honeybee1256
@honeybee1256 4 года назад
Editors hardly get any credit but the editing can make or break a movie in many people’s eyes.
@quaginator
@quaginator 4 года назад
I would like to suggest including a film title card for each of the scenes you include in your videos. You cut very quickly between scenes of different movies and it's hard for me to keep up and note the films referenced. Otherwise, another great video!
@urielacosta2329
@urielacosta2329 4 года назад
I'm not even planning on filmmaking, but just knowing these things help me be more creative. Massive thanks.
@ShatteredGlass916
@ShatteredGlass916 4 года назад
Thank you for shining light on this. Dede Allen is a wonderful editor and surprisingly there's so little videos about her, or just editors in general (at least from what i have found, i haven't searched that deep anyway lol)
@afoxstale
@afoxstale 4 года назад
You should watch that star wars documentary called “saved in the edit” so good
@insanelyscaryawful1937
@insanelyscaryawful1937 4 года назад
That transition into the ad at the end was so smooth.
@bentoth9555
@bentoth9555 4 года назад
I didn't realize it was an ad transition until it was well into the actual ad.
@MrRedstoner
@MrRedstoner 4 года назад
You might say he has a good editor.
@comrademax57
@comrademax57 4 года назад
I have Bonnie and Clyde in my watchlist for a long time now, I guess its time to watch it
@TheShipMunksTV
@TheShipMunksTV 4 года назад
You must watch it!
@lylehimself9287
@lylehimself9287 4 года назад
ive watched it recently for the preparation of another video essay. oh man, it's a great film!
@Turnoutburndown
@Turnoutburndown 4 года назад
Then read the book "Pictures at a Revolution" by Mark Harris about that movie and New Hollywood. It's a book that proves reality is stranger than fiction.
@JB-bq2qj
@JB-bq2qj 4 года назад
Bring a strong drink
@Darthsantana
@Darthsantana 4 года назад
I haven't see it but Now You See It also has a video about it too which is good as well.
@ahmadghanim5886
@ahmadghanim5886 4 года назад
Thelma Schoonmaker is another influential editor who’s somewhat overlooked.
@chrise8275
@chrise8275 2 года назад
Scorsese’s films Are so masterfully edited.
@tylerr3740
@tylerr3740 4 года назад
Great video once again, that ad transition was so smooth lol.
@katr.9902
@katr.9902 4 года назад
Wow man.. just wow. Thank you for shining a light on this. I think it’s the first video essay I have watched about this subject. Thank you, this was really amazing!
@agnel47
@agnel47 4 года назад
"Editing" *IS* _everything_ .
@oldmanlogan9616
@oldmanlogan9616 4 года назад
Yes
@Darthsantana
@Darthsantana 4 года назад
I'm always a bit sad when your videos are over only because I want them to keep going. Great stuff as always.
@isaacsutton1162
@isaacsutton1162 4 года назад
FANTASTIC video. Went to film school for 4 years and didn't know any of this. Thank you so much for making it.
@lonedemon
@lonedemon 4 года назад
Great video. Also one of the best ad segues I've seen in a while.
@losingfayth
@losingfayth 4 года назад
As someone who wants to be a filmmaker, thank you for making this. While I always knew editing was an important part of the process (from the little editing I've done on small projects) I never truly realized how significant it and the person behind it was.
@yuvibitter
@yuvibitter 4 года назад
Excellent video your channel really matured lately and the content is just fantastic
@elizabethmuratore9865
@elizabethmuratore9865 4 года назад
Another excellent video Jack! I learned so much from this, love the topic choice
@TheLamphouseBCP
@TheLamphouseBCP 3 года назад
Those harsh cuts are amazing. I feel like we never see cuts that bold these days - at least in Hollywood.
@HardboiledBoi
@HardboiledBoi 4 года назад
Thanks for this awesome video, I was familiar with Sally Menke before, but now I can add Dede Allen.
@333kenshin
@333kenshin 4 года назад
It's worth note that Every Film a Painting - arguably the gold standard of film essays - creator Tony Zhou is an editor
@MrNikoSrb
@MrNikoSrb 4 года назад
"Every Frame a Painting" not film...
@Brictrix
@Brictrix 4 года назад
That was the smoothest transition into an ad ever at the end, great job
@TheParadiseParadox
@TheParadiseParadox 4 года назад
Interesting to see The Hustler among her credits. I'm sure I've seen the movie at least 10 times, focusing on Paul Newman's acting, Tevis's brilliant dialogue and story... I might have to watch it a few more times to take in the editing. Amazing movie
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 4 года назад
This was brilliant I had never thought of this and have a new found respect for editors! I always thought of it as an underappreciated role but not to this degree
@RichardCano
@RichardCano 4 года назад
This is why I respect Robert Rodriguez so much. He not only funded his first film by selling his body to science, he also wrote, directed, AND edited it. And he continues to produce, write, direct, and edit much of his work today. That dude is prime example a filmmaker who makes the film from the ground up.
@Aster_Risk
@Aster_Risk 4 года назад
I think he doesn't get enough love. So many people really overlooked Planet Terror which is just such a great, ridiculous film. He also brought us Sharkboy and Lava Girl which are some pretty fun and creative kids movies. He's got a really great style.
@breannaw7254
@breannaw7254 4 года назад
Thank you for making this!! I love Dede Allen and it's great see her getting more attention!
@junkmansobbligato
@junkmansobbligato 4 года назад
Never really thought about editors, thank you!
@zazagermond4111
@zazagermond4111 3 года назад
This is amazing! So glad I watched this!
@corbinbishop1991
@corbinbishop1991 4 года назад
Great topic, and great video! A lot of people don't know that history about movie editing.
@bloodygoodjune9292
@bloodygoodjune9292 3 года назад
Thanks, this was very informative and fascinating.
@uncomfortablecat
@uncomfortablecat 4 года назад
Okay, was expecting something different but this is better.
@closeoutentertainment
@closeoutentertainment 4 года назад
This is really great! Thanks for this.
@christian-owens
@christian-owens 4 года назад
I had no idea about this! Thanks for sharing a new perspective, praise the youtube algorithm!
@jeannenugent5706
@jeannenugent5706 4 года назад
Love this video Jackie, GOOD JOB!! Love Mommmyyyyy
@LsArts
@LsArts 4 года назад
Thank you for this video. Good quality content. Informative, Inspiring.
@JonathanEBoyd
@JonathanEBoyd 4 года назад
A Brilliant Video essay as always 1 of the best Movie essay channels in the game always Learn so much and makes me think about the history of Movies & Filmmaking learnt about Dede allen to Glad to see Thelma Schoonmaker , Sally Menke Included I think they made their directors & the films they worked on so much better . Editors are very underrated they contribute so much not just technically but in story telling & emotionally . Love the angle you took on this subject from really Just top notch Take Care
@guyanello7201
@guyanello7201 4 года назад
Incredible, ive taken so many of these techniques for granted and it's nice to appreciate where they came from
@kdogthunder
@kdogthunder 4 года назад
one of your best videos great work
@Yourlibrarian
@Yourlibrarian 4 года назад
Hope everyone is having a safe and swell day.
@TheXcrome
@TheXcrome 4 года назад
This is real sweet. Thank you, you too
@absolutelynotcryingcat2311
@absolutelynotcryingcat2311 4 года назад
Great video! Just as always. Thank you so much
@kristianpierce2963
@kristianpierce2963 3 года назад
Although he does more than film, you and Nerdwriter are the best at video essays. Always so well spoken and informative.
@curiousworld7912
@curiousworld7912 4 года назад
Ida Lupino was another incredibly talented actress, director and writer, who worked in both film and television. It's good to see these intelligent, creative, and often sadly overlooked women getting the nod.
@iy4394
@iy4394 4 года назад
This is the A+ content I signed up for. Thank you so much for this
@ParallaxPete
@ParallaxPete 4 года назад
This was wonderful!
@alexey926
@alexey926 4 года назад
I love your stuff dude. Keep going!
@Kingrooney
@Kingrooney 4 года назад
Another excerlent video, keep up the good work!
@mmmmm3699
@mmmmm3699 4 года назад
Always gotta watch your video
@CaCriGuz
@CaCriGuz 4 года назад
Great video, thank you so much. :)
@susanmurphy958
@susanmurphy958 4 года назад
Excellent piece of work.
@AmbroseReed
@AmbroseReed 4 года назад
this is so cool. I didn't know a lot of this, super interesting
@jamesgarrett8833
@jamesgarrett8833 4 года назад
You make a very strong point about editing. I known were years editing has it’s own art form that if done right will made the movie shine. Over the years and today I am still learning the many ways of how editing can make a movie powerful. RocketJump made a video of how Star Wars was saved in the editing
@choff01
@choff01 4 года назад
Smooth segue into sponsor spot😁 Also, thanks for the great vid!
@stephensenez6240
@stephensenez6240 4 года назад
Awesome video!!
@MrNobbless
@MrNobbless 4 года назад
Great video as always.
@meremeth
@meremeth 4 года назад
Loved this video ❤️❤️
@HOTKNlFE
@HOTKNlFE 4 года назад
Thank you so much for this video!! I was starting to lose hope since I’ve always saw men in the credits but knowing women can still get a chance in Hollywood gives me relief
@Yodakaycool
@Yodakaycool 4 года назад
very inspiration. u did it again
@charlottetilley3705
@charlottetilley3705 4 года назад
Brilliant video thank you ♥️
@MegaSilverBlood
@MegaSilverBlood 4 года назад
at the start of the video i was bored, but i thought meh lets give it another minute, and by the end i was really into it, very insightful, great video
@GenerallyBananas
@GenerallyBananas 4 года назад
Holy crap that transition to Curiosity Stream. Bravo!
@davidbjacobs3598
@davidbjacobs3598 4 года назад
Wow. I've heard of Dede Allen before but never gave it much thought - looked up her IMDb after this video, and those are some fantastic movies!! Did not expect it to be capped off by The Breakfast Club.
@clurkroberts2650
@clurkroberts2650 4 года назад
Great video on a under appreciated role in film making. I wish I could give you a thousand thumbs up.
@SwedisGamer00
@SwedisGamer00 4 года назад
The deceding transition from video to ad was really good. I most cases editors do a hard cut when their scripts end. BUt Now You See It broke the rule, and used the ad as a part of his scirpt. Wonderful use of his creativity.
@nerudaad
@nerudaad 4 года назад
Yes! This is much appreciated!
@danielt1985
@danielt1985 4 года назад
Thank god you came back
@Sirsonia
@Sirsonia 4 года назад
thank you so much for this! please more about women in film :)
@cjgayle7815
@cjgayle7815 4 года назад
This is a very well meaning, important message you've made here.
@princessconsuelamanyfaces
@princessconsuelamanyfaces 4 года назад
wow that transition to the ad was so seamless I didn't realize I was watching it until a while into it haha
@two_owls
@two_owls 4 года назад
Fascinating! Thanks so much for broadening my understanding of film history w/ this video :))
@sufriedrich3835
@sufriedrich3835 4 года назад
Here's more film history: womenfilmeditors.princeton.edu/
@AcetylsaliciIique
@AcetylsaliciIique 2 года назад
That was the smoothest transition to the Cruiosity Stream plug ever =p
@optionalland8830
@optionalland8830 4 года назад
He’s back!!
@kaleidoscopicvoid
@kaleidoscopicvoid 4 года назад
Good video. I liked your appreciation of this.
@MariaVosa
@MariaVosa 4 года назад
One of the great things about youtube is that a lot of people are highlighting the importance and fascinating art of editing to people like me. And it really is criminal the way both editors and cinemtographers have been sidelined for a long time. The professionals know how vital they are, and now more of the public knows as well
@sivtsevn
@sivtsevn 4 года назад
You opened my eyes how actually editing looks. I thought it just post production.
@videovasco7
@videovasco7 4 года назад
Yeah, Editors are for sure the second DIrectors, the second person whose vision and skill contributes more to the final film. And yes, to this day, we all say the best compliment is to, not even mention the editing.
@raynorsatwika1578
@raynorsatwika1578 4 года назад
nice video, man
@PatrolClip
@PatrolClip 4 года назад
👏👏 My God ...LOve this video, its actually a very good review of the filmaking history.... Thanks
@BatmanuelTheCactus
@BatmanuelTheCactus 4 года назад
Wonderful, thank you.
@yyzx_6668
@yyzx_6668 4 года назад
dude this video is so good
@PatrickWDunne
@PatrickWDunne 3 года назад
I usually don't notice editing, but it's pretty impressive in Don't Look Now
@chacahill6878
@chacahill6878 4 года назад
Joe Walkers work on Steve McQueens film is perfection. Watching Shame/Hunger/12 years a slave. Perfect pairing of director and editor
@AmandaRamirez23
@AmandaRamirez23 3 года назад
OMG! As a female editor, I really appreciate this so much! So much history even I did not know. Love your channel and all your videos!
@ze_rubenator
@ze_rubenator 4 года назад
On the topic of lesser known filmmakers, I would love if you could make a video on Roy Andersson. His films are totally unique, and to me he's one of the most intriguing contemporary filmmakers.
@AardvarkDK
@AardvarkDK 4 года назад
The Blu-ray of Bullitt comes with a fantastic documentary about film editing called "The Cutting Edge" (I think you might be using clips from it here). Highly recommended. And obviously it mentions Dede Allen and Bonnie and Clyde.
@geraldmerkowitz4360
@geraldmerkowitz4360 4 года назад
More on the matter: "how Star Wars was saved in the edit" by Rocket Jump. An absolutely fantastic video.
@stevecarter8810
@stevecarter8810 4 года назад
That should be required viewing for all star wars fans. Without the edit, a new hope would have been like the prequels. Likewise, the prequels could have been saved in the edit, see belated media's "what if star wars episode I were good?"
@dharmapunk777
@dharmapunk777 4 года назад
Sometimes you come across things on youtube that are actually very important. I've been a movie lover for decades and have often become obsessed with actors and directors, even writers. But I have never once considered the editor. I always assumed that they were following the direction of the directors. Had no idea how much influence on the finished product they had.
@jamesmillington4711
@jamesmillington4711 4 года назад
Nearly a year ago I had to write an essay comparing the editing styles of silent films and Classical Hollywood. And not once did I refer to the editors of the films that I talked about. I talked about Citizen Kane, Casablanca, the edison silent films, and the work of D.W Griffith. But I didn't bother to look up who the editors were of these films. I think that proves your point of how little we value the work of editors
@Tephr1te
@Tephr1te 4 года назад
that was a smooth ad segue
@adamv4344
@adamv4344 3 года назад
Great video
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