The Most Important Skill That Nobody Talks About

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It sounds so simple, so stupid -- and yet I think I've unearthed the single most important skill that good Super Smash Bros players have that most players don't. While I've never heard them explicitly talk about it, I'm positive that Mango, Zain, Hungrybox, Leffen, Armada -- all of them are doing this constantly. Do YOU have this skill already? Do you agree with my conclusion!?
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Toph aka tophbbq is back again with another TOPH TALK about The SINGLE Most Important Skill in Smash Bros. Toph had an epiphany while playing on Slippi Unranked... Why do unranked Falcos and Falcons never look at their opponent in Super Smash Bros. Melee? And why do Smash Pros not talk about this more? This is how to improve in Smash Bros and how to be GOOD at Super Smash Bros that every Smash Pro does every time they play a match. Enjoy and remember to subscribe if you read this far!
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@keb7066 3 года назад

looking at yourself in melee is like looking at the ball while dribbling

@Fostrobot 3 года назад

or like ignoring the mini map in league

@sam.lipchutz 3 года назад

And you have to be really tall for dribbling not to matter

@Michaelflexin 3 года назад

Shiiii we’re all not Kyrie Irving with the handles my dude

@GayTier1Operator 3 года назад

i like the way i move and i like to see myself shmoove tho

@shuples 3 года назад

me who likes to stare at the ping counter: shit.

@mini8964 3 года назад

Scar got 5th at genesis just by looking at himself

@Noahs-Ark 3 года назад

The problem is that the average player isn't 100% confident in their tech skill and therefore require visual confirmation.I would imagine that most players develop the bad habit of watching their own movement as beginners and have trouble breaking it as they improve.

@dh3913 3 года назад

Exactly. I've always KNOWN I should look at my opponent, my tech is just too inconsistent that when I do, I don't end up where I expect to be. Recently been playing more Mario Kart though and have learned to watch the mini map because I can actually trust my inputs to be what I want, and the difference is def huge. Watching the opponent in any game is always good but melee might be one of the hardest ones to pull it off (least if you play a tech intensive character).

@GayTier1Operator 3 года назад

that was me. i only liked moonwalking and doing insane platform wavelands with falcon and just watched myself lol still do

@IanZWhite00 3 года назад

Toph utilizing prime engagement strats by burying the lead until about halfway through lol

@Localpref416 3 года назад

As someone who plays a lot then takes long breaks , the key to looking at your opponent is that you have to be insanely confident in your movement. Usually takes me 3 weeks of grinding once I come back before I even start splitting my attention.

@squilliams7124 3 года назад

looking at yourself in melee is like looking at the piano keys while sight-reading

@nickveith9727 3 года назад

I am a Slippi frog and I am looking at myself 90% of the time, straight up never thought about it lol. Nice vid toph

@rei3951 11 месяцев назад

We need to start calling slippi kids to frogs

@NicholasSunderland 3 года назад

One way to learn this: It can be helpful to set CPUs in training mode to run away. Helps you practice movement against a moving opponent without them hitting you.

@swagdoctor3425 3 года назад

I’m so glad you brought this up. I had just started playing melee and didn’t even realize I was doing this thank you.

@angryii5411 3 года назад

Don't listen to him guys, he just wants you to shield so he can grab you. 👀

@Super_EpicGuy 3 года назад

I have seen this concept mentioned before, but I'm not entirely sure where. I never really noticed how little the idea of where you look is brought up, and I honestly forgot entirely that it was better to focus on my opponent when I'm playing than looking at my character

@feris3410 3 года назад

It's a pretty common thing in any competitive game. A big part of being good at anything is to be confident in yourself. And when you're confident you can do what you need to, why do you need to watch yourself do it? Maybe you've heard it from another game?

@Super_EpicGuy 3 года назад

@@feris3410 Not really confidence, but it's a thing that you don't really notice that you're doing. And also no, I've been hard Smash only until recently, so I wouldn't have heard it from anywhere other than Smash

@acsu96 3 года назад

honestly you say it sounds simple but I think it reaches way farther than melee. My piano teacher yelled at me for looking at the keys a long time ago. And I think having the mastery in any technical, practice-oriented field is really necessary to feel comfortable not looking at yourself and focusing on other stuff, be that other auditory cues like in the music case or other visual cues like in melee. I've gotten into speedcubing and a parallel is not staring at whatever move you're currently doing. Having the muscle memory down to execute while looking ahead to other parts of the cube sounds pretty much like the same thing.

@shmatet 3 года назад

Your piano teacher's a bitch for yelling at you

@AK-ir1se 3 года назад

This is a sentiment that doesn't get touted enough for sure. Like you said, the top players and most really good players just have been doing exactly this for so long that it doesn't even cross their minds that people gravitate to watching themselves on the screen.

@zachariemelanson485 3 года назад

It would be cool to get a bunch of top players to play with those eye tracker things that displays exactly where you're looking on the screen. Sure you "look at the opponent", but I'm wondering how much of that is peripheral vision. Maybe you think you're looking at the opponent, but you're actually looking at a point in the middle of both players, but focusing on the opponent.

@zachariemelanson485 3 года назад

Wow, Toph talked about that right after I commented lol. I guess that's what I get for commenting in the middle of the video. Would still be cool to see how different top players look at the screen with that experiment though.

@goatfood1504 2 года назад

ZeRo played ultimate with an eye tracker while back. IDK if you want to give him your ad revenue though

@lagalil 3 года назад

6:25 I cant be the only one that thought the video was ending when I heard Kass them starting to play lol. Its such an outro theme for some reason, feels kind of out of place in the middle of the video without any kind of transition.

@seanathan1 3 года назад

I always thought it's like one of those songs that motivates you or something but I guess I get why

@lanaalways 3 года назад

Love this reminder, amazing tip

@lanaalways 3 года назад

Especially as a slippi frogling

@stephenolis5753 3 года назад

I stumbled across this like a month ago, after having played smash games for the last decade just looking at myself Just tried looking at the opponent on a whim and it was like dodging bullets in the matrix

@gewl1011 3 года назад

The funniest thing about learning melee as somebody from ultimate is that this is something that I somehow forgot to carry over until very recently and kept getting confused as to why I had trouble understanding situations, whereas now, I feel like I'm getting part of my situational awareness back and being able to track habits.

@Shin3yBidoof 3 года назад

This is my experience in every reaction based game. I eventually shift from watching only me to a mix of me and my opponent and then mostly them

@artemis-kinkyboikirby5539 3 года назад

Why would I want to look at my opponent when what I'm doing is cool

@Sithilnis 3 года назад

I didn't do this for almost 5 years and when I started doing it my neutral and punish games both improved so much, I can't believe no one mentioned it before. (I found out watching PPMD use an eye tracker)

@pip4349 2 года назад

dude i really like how you wrapped it back up at the end with the shiek needles. this is some of the most important advice to take in. its an easy mistake to make too. melee requires so much learning in the execution especially when hitlag frames/getting can cause a technique you do to misinput. being smart about the engagement can prevent this, and is very important. very well structured and pointed video; thank you toph

@dbgr9875 3 года назад

This is something I heard I should do like one time in Ultimate, and when I remember to actually do so, the game feels pretty different, but it makes a HUGE difference

@102eustess6 3 года назад

This is why I’m grateful to Tafokints since I got into Melee late 2014. Tafo had TONS of insight like this. Also, something I personally think makes it not intuitive to look at your opponent in Melee is how the camera moves so much. I think it’s an unpopular opinion, but I think the camera does a lot in terms of digesting Melee. It makes things look more complicated.

@spacevadr10 3 года назад

this concept is big in music too. Playing without looking at your hands or instrument is a good indicator of your skill level or at least your confidence in muscle memory and ability to focus on what's ahead instead of the exact moments you're playing

@Dr3am9553 3 года назад

"Hey, it's not the guy's fault, the radio melee staff let him ask the question" 5:58 I don't think twitch chat has ever made me laugh so hard ROFL

@omarg2079 3 года назад

I noticed that I do this a lot in street fighter. Even at a distance, I often get sniped by projectiles because I get tunnel vision'd into staring at my character, and it's hard for me to adapt to my opponent.

@danb1809 3 года назад

I think the best comparison is when you look at yourself when running a race, as that comparison makes it the most clear how redundant it is to look at yourself and how much more important it is to pay attention to others

@linkluver_izn 3 года назад

This is actually the best advice ive gotten in a while, ive been plateauing for a while and this immediately made me feel like i unlocked a new avenue of improvement

@WillyMacShow 2 года назад

You play long enough you stop having to look at your character, because you become more confident in your movement

@nintendaholic1 Месяц назад

I have been playing for ten years off and on and only very recently did I realize I have been looking at my own character at all times. Only using peripheral vision to watch my opponent. I’m struggling to break the habit

@pandajmj 3 года назад

I used to have this problem when i was trying to get good at smite(MOBA). Immediately once i started watching my opponent i probably doubled my skill in just 2 months from that point and hit masters because it just gives you so much information

@BL3446 3 года назад

I remember always trying to explain this to my brothers when playing 3D platformers like Mario Galaxy. They always had so much trouble seeing like hidden routes, long distance star-bits, or even enemies approaching. I would tell them "Don't look at Mario, look at the screen." (You should know where Mario is. You're controlling him. It's not like you stare at your feet as you take steps.) And they like literally didn't get what I meant. Nothing against them. I was the only one who played games in the house. I noticed this translates over to Smash as well. Most people call it looking at your opponent, but usually they are doing this too where they see the whole screen. It's how people coordinate Randall, the time remaining, projectiles and such. Your main focus is your opponent, for sure. But you're not necessarily zoomed into them. You are open to some peripherals as well.

@TheFerrisDude 3 года назад

I think it's a little more than just looking at your opponent, you gotta see right through them. Imagine what their insides look like.

@ssbmAndy 3 года назад

And also to look at the space between you and the opponent as a situation is changing since this can change your decision making in the next moment.

@kaashi2951 3 года назад

does anyone know where the amsa eye tracker stream is??

@-pinky. 3 года назад

Strongly agree that newer players should learn to focus on watching what their opponents are doing more than watching themselves; however, I’d still say it’s very important to at least occasionally watch yourself during practice/vod analysis. Been playing since childhood and it took kazuya coming out in ultimate for me to notice that it’s way harder for me to hold straight down after holding straight left than right -> down.

@CharlotteMimic 3 года назад

I definitely tried looking at my opponent, then was uncomfortable and started making tech skill errors, so I stopped. Thank you toph for the excellent advice to stick with it

@malcolmateel 3 года назад

This plays into the two most important aspects of melee that I feel newer players/players who plateau neglect or just are ignorant of. One: staying present, not judging interactions and staying in the moment, this I feel is the most important part of melee that if you’re not doing you are not operating at even close to full potential. This plays into the second part which is reacting. When you focus hard on reacting to your opponent whether it’s in neutral, combo game, or in defense, it allows you to make optimal choices without having to predict the future every time. Reacting takes away a lot of the ambiguity of neutral and you start playing in positions that are more optimal naturally. Additionally it takes the load away from having to read everything and let’s you focus more on the macro game then if every neutral interaction, every roll coverage has to be a hard read. Just my 2 cents lmao

@artemis-kinkyboikirby5539 3 года назад

Fuck Heart, Mind, and body. It's Instinct vs Labbing

@silverirongate1362 3 года назад

Honestly, I feel like this is gonna help me a lot. I constantly watch myself, I'm not comfortable with all of my movements. I'm going to try this

@swozzlesticks3068 3 года назад

I guess coming from league it's just already ingrained to look at both characters. Usually focusing on the opponent with attention to your character in peripheral vision. Watching to see if the opponent is going to approach or use a projectile isn't completely unlike watching to see if your lane opponent is going to go for a trade.

@dudewuttheheck 3 года назад

I'm so glad you're actually talking about this. As a relatively bad player, I know that this is important, but I usually don't because of my tech skill. Plus, it took me like 8 years of playing the game to figure it out haha.

@blob4477 3 года назад

Thanks toph you have literally helped me soooo much at getting good

@Mick2D 3 года назад

This is somthing I still have to work at. If im just kinda playing and chilling I end up watching myself again lol.

@johndoe-rq1pu 3 года назад

I don't know how I never noticed this before. Before this video I was beating most of the unranked players I ran into but getting three stocked by the actual good players. I tried your advice and pretty quickly I was getting three stocked by the unranked players too. But I stuck with it and ground my mechanics: for the last month I've been forcing myself to only look at the opponent unless I'm trying to time a tech and now I'm able to play pretty competitive matches with a cpu lvl 3.

@youspentyourprecioustimere2749 3 года назад

honestly I never knew about this until now, great vid toph

@Michaelflexin 3 года назад

As a new player (5-6months) I didn’t even realize I was mostly looking at myself until a few weeks ago I especially noticed when I shl with falco I would always look at myself for timing and not even pay attention to if the lasers were hitting or not needless to say I stopped this and am currently grinding muscle memory.

@alexandredeschiever8304 3 года назад

For the same reason pro don't talk about looking at your opponents and not yourself is the same reason i won't watch this video for more time than me writing this. It's obvious, you think about this if you ever want to be good at all. Really like your channel sir Toph. Much love

@simongotborg3866 3 года назад

Yeah this is definitely a thing. I remember when I first heard about it, and it's such a big deal. Though I'm still struggling not to look at my character.

@rumfordc 3 года назад

usually when i get hit by projectiles its because i was trying to powershield and was a little late. its never really a mystery what a shiek or falco is going to do, powershielding is just hard for me and i don't like sitting in shield.

@zachariahanderson4203 3 года назад

I played for years looking primarily myself and I was so bad. I could do all the technical stuff but could never beat the person. I started playing after a 5 year break, I look at them and I win so many more games now. It’s insane how simple it is

@kylecruz9043 3 года назад

this is the motivation i needed to change my bad habit of looking at myself

@Andy251153 3 года назад

Also another concept, keep your eyes on the ball

@JadenSmithEyes 3 года назад

im always looking at the other character.... think it's my character... and then SD

@AkselSv 3 года назад

This is why practicing your movement is so important!

@soulforged7157 3 года назад

I learned this playing LoL but i cant do it in melee yet. Maybe one day

@sibosb9138 3 года назад

Same but for me it's ultimate, weirdly enough

@soulforged7157 3 года назад

@@sibosb9138 yea i think it just happens by putting in time and thinking about it after you have some muscle memory

@sibosb9138 3 года назад

@@soulforged7157 i force myself to not look at myself when i play

@Xzqwerty2324zX 2 года назад

I know I’m a year late but I implemented this into my gameplay when I saw it and it has really helped! I was a Falco main but I wanted to take this as serious as possible so I decided to pick up Ganondorf to help me relearn the game using this mentality

@ssbmfiji5079 3 года назад

i have never heard of someone looking at their own character while playing that's so absurd to me

@kilomiles2969 3 года назад

I'm more of a caster than a player, and I realized I was making this mistake when I sat down and thought, "Why can I talk about the game at a higher level than I play it at?" ... It was because I never looked at my opponent. I only had half the story in any match I played, which didn't exactly work out in my favor.

@JochiJoch 3 года назад

I look at my opponent but I mostly look at the area where I want to intercept him.

@VisaCardholder 3 года назад

This was one of the first, what I felt was big, revelations my mentor laid upon me many years ago. Alien from Oregon is who that is. Great video. Before clicking I actually assumed this WASN'T going to be the topic. I was ready to throw shade in the comments. But you did good. Great title. Decent pacing. Great info. 👍

@Andy251153 3 года назад

I think another thing that's helped is learning how to do tech while watching you opponent

@DoomJoy666 3 года назад

One toph tip has been look at yourself. The other tip has been look at the opponents

@Danielsworlds 3 года назад

A lot of new players hold down and Arnt reacting. They have memorized a punished or a combo setup or, oh when they hit me I hold down and down smash. Rather than reacting to what your opponent is doing they're playing their own game and hoping that you walk into it

@Waterlemon123 3 года назад

Anyone have the amsa stream that he mentioned?

@milesd0texe385 3 года назад

good video!! this has been a big focus of my practice since im new and mainly grinding fundamentals, in ultimate i would never look but now that im playing melee with much more fleshed out and precise movement it definitely is easier at first to watch yourself when youre getting the timings, but yea makes your reactions shit

@RemiGemini 3 года назад

thank you for this reminder, this is by FAR the hardest thing for me to do

@FranzoOnLine 3 года назад

As a new-ish player I try to look at my opponent, but I also find myself looking back at myself from time to time. That's when I'm playing thoughtlessly tbh, and I do find I'm worse when I'm doing that.

@keb7066 3 года назад

tbh you need to play thoughtlessly in melee, there isn't really enough time to consciously think. you need to rely on your habits, and the difference between a good and bad player is how good their habits are

@Thetwinsw 3 года назад

Great video!! you should always be practicing how you are going to play especially if you compete.

@Jayluna98 3 года назад

Great video Toph I shared it with a friend who's been asking for Smash advice! Watching the new 2Saint GG podcast now. :)

@djspencerduh 3 года назад

Great tips! I’ll be looking at my opponent

@icegod4849 Год назад

2:45 SimpleFlips in chat moment

@psoup7249 3 года назад

Holy shit I've never thought of this

@Rain-od6oc 3 года назад

playing other games that I'm more familiar with like ultimate I usually look at the opponent and how they're moving but when I play melee I look at myself because I'm not fully confident in my movement edit: also playing falco and sheik dont help with this cause wavedash timing differences

@herbmaaster 3 года назад

i woke up after a long sleep and immediately went to unranked to get 4stocked in the shiek pika mu and i couldn't be mad because i didn't warm up but my opponent doesn't know that. lol warm up or get burned

@discreet6951 3 года назад

Are there any clips of that Amsa eye tracker

@dankydont 6 месяцев назад

This is true for all fighting games too, not just melee

@lescharle4695 3 года назад

the simpleflips cameo?!?!>?!??!?

@partysover4324 3 года назад

How feasible is this with zoners?

@anthonyloia2589 6 месяцев назад

If anyone knows age of empires, looking at urself is like TC idle time.

@ShirudoBureku 3 года назад

this is camera lock in mobas

@milk4you1200 3 года назад

Great video!

@NobodySSBM 3 года назад

You haven't watched it yet

@bombaluigi2404 3 года назад

Some people look at themselvs, some look at the oponent. I look at the Controller to hit the rigth buttons

@evicion5454 Год назад

there was an alpharad video i saw years ago that had this exact advice

@boomdixon 3 года назад

from someone who played both melee and ultimate, this is true for both games

@llooddss 3 года назад

I would love to see you play (or another pro player) with an eye tracker device!

@cameronmckendrick4155 3 года назад

i will never get hit by sheik needles again

@pokepines2516 3 года назад

Can soneone send me the amsah or (not sure which) asma eye tracker video?

@SirCreepalot2 3 года назад

toph with the CUT i like it

@cilo902 3 года назад

Love these kind of vids

@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot 3 года назад

Every time I realize I'm watching myself too much and change that, I play better 100% of the time.

@malkavian6275 3 года назад

i tunnel vision on my character lmao

@masonf8187 3 года назад

howed you get in leffens house?

@chubimaster5314 3 года назад

Nairo also talked about this

@InsayneVidz 3 года назад

You should have 100k subs seriously

@zzzs5961 3 года назад

Ya this is super true I remember watching a [Redacted] video were he was using a eye visualizer and the first thing I noticed was that he was look at the opponent rather then his character most of the time. I had kind of done this before but it was more of the extent that I was watching my own character and then glancing at the opponent, but once you start looking a the opponent and practicing that way it pretty much be comes second nature.

@gary0163 3 года назад

I think some people do this in ultimate and it’s really bad lmao

@cozydaybit 3 года назад

Great video

@EmissaryOfSmeagol 3 года назад

I've started watching my opponent in Ultimate now, and I'm dropping combos and doing significantly worse haha

@EmissaryOfSmeagol 3 года назад

It's also amazing that Toph expects you to be able to actually react to the needle throw animation. Like wtf, that's only a few frames. Melee players are cracked.

@2000Doriyas 3 года назад

It’s not a pure reaction, you are also expecting it, seeing the situation and spacing they need to be at to do it, and then reacting accordingly when you notice them pull the trigger