It’s a well documented property of thermodynamics that the number of Barbgaunts in play increases to match the number of green tide Ork lists in play 👌
Saddeningly besides the Warriors, most of the virtually unusable units didn't see any points cuts. Like my favorite 9th edition model the sporocyst and others like the mawloc, harpy, hive crone, mucolid spore, spore mine and toxicrene. Of course now Warriors may be justifiable to use now which might be nice.
It definitely felt like they wrote off a ton of units across most factions in this update. Fringe-playable stuff got buffed to playability, but most truly bad datasheets didn't really get touched at all. Kind of an odd choice.
For Nids, Gargoyles going up 5 points hurts us more than all the point decreases on the other units helps us. Most of those units still won't see play.
I think point change will only have minimal effect on tyranid army since the problems that keep it as low win rate is lie in the rule of the army in itself.
Just can’t agree with your optimism for Nids. They did get a lot of drops, but most of these (maybe all barring Zoanthropes, melee warriors, and maybe Lictors) were to units that weren’t seeing high level competitive play. Almost every list that went X-1 (I don’t think there is an X-0 list) has seen a points increase of 10 points. That assimilation list is the only outlier. It was a great slate for internal balance, but it won’t improve competitive performance.
I am not sure if one can call what the 'nids got a buff. We need to have points in our must-haves cut to include some of this other stuff that is still on the verge of being useful. Making our must-haves more expensive while cutting points to stuff that was unviable simply shifts some deck-chairs on the titanic, it does not make us more competitive.
Agreed, top lists from the most competitive detachments, IF and swarm got nerfed. While the next tier detachments got a bit of a bump. Not sure how that will make nids more competitive?
My blood angels list went up by 50 points and i feel like that's completely fair, it could have even gone up by 10 more. Sure, its frustrating to have to rework my lists, but that happens every points change. This improves the game overall, so im happy they did it.
Accursed Cultists / Dark commune could still either use a points reduction or a fix to their rules. They got a combined quadruple nerf. 105 for an msu AC squad when you could just take 2 10 man cultist squads or a 20 man is a bit nuts.
Forsure, and at points changes right now just end up being the same lists +/- 1 wardog. Hopefully something can get figured out, I love all flavors of knights.
@@davidcanty7903 Ahhh mb I misread the message. I think with those it could be good to do a bit of point adjustment for bigger dudes, don't see those played too often
Man, what are you smoking? Massive buffs to Tyranids? When most competitive list were running gargoyles and their lists all went up points on a faction that averages 42.8% at events this past season? This was a spiteful slap in the face by GW as the units they buffed have a hard time even breaking out of mid tables at tournaments. Our winrate will continue to stagnate and probably drop over the course of the season as other people lock in their lists and plan for the emerging meta, and we get taxed on a unit we NEED to win games as we fundamentally struggle on the primary game, and gargoyles are massively necessary for that aspect of the game. I can't tell you how much I disagree with your take here. None of the point changes make us inherently more aggressive, we are still a passive scoring faction, and comparing gargoyles at 85 points now to 80 point jump pack intercessors is a massive joke. Also The Norn and the Ctan, while being similarly pointed, are not basically the same thing. Just because you see a bunch of GREEN on our MFM sheet doesn't mean good things for Tyranids when the best lists went up or down 5 points. Incredible that you play this faction and don't see that this is a problem.
Simply put, none of the units that got points dropped will likely find their way into the top tier competitive lists, except maybe lictors. Gargoyles are seen in every competitive list. As such, we tangibly suffered a nerf. If this video were about most improved detachments, assimilation swarm would make sense, but as a whole tyranids are the same or worse. Which is a bummer.
Completely agree, the meta lists which got the 43-44% winrate will be around 10pts more expensive now. They did help Assimilation, but just to not put it so far behind. We'll be bottom tier of the bottom tier for the next three months, with deathwatch and core marines. GW should have given discounts to 90% of our units, but just decided to do nothing relevant. We can just hope that on the next update we get core rule changes
Trevy mate, I think you're jumping the gun a bit with your take on Tyranids. Psychophage might see some play now but it'll be rare since we don't have space in our lists for luxury units like that. We take gargoyles because we have to, and now their cost just went up. That won't be offset since all the other units buffed are still overcosted or their job is done more efficiently elsewhere in the codex. Swarmlord is still unplayably bad for his points and Tyrannid warriors hit softer and die faster than stealers while only being slightly less expensive even in Vanguard, as two examples. The faction is screwed, with a 43% winrate and a worse tournament performance than AdMech we needed substantial points decreases, not decreases to units that will never see play and increases to essentials. Also I'm not sure how you're convinced Norns are equivalent to C'tan. As always though great vid, good to see you talking about Tyranids again ❤️
I’m actually really hyped to bring my Thousand Sons out to play this season. I really didn’t like Rubric MSU spam as a playstyle and with the point drops I’m slotting in some other fun stuff to try. Tomorrow I’m taking a daemon prince and helbrute to see if they can do what I hope they can do. And I plan to pick up some cultists since I haven’t yet.
fun fact, the datasheets admech got reduced on was half of what was needed to actually make them semiworth taking. That's how bad the datasheets are for their cost.
I really hope they re-work Abaddon's datasheet when the codex comes. He's really only effective in terms of combining his Aura for Vehicle shooting etc and I suspect he'll not be as valuable in terms of having all the God-specific keywords in the other detachments. I'd love to see him cheaper, buffing infantry/mounted only (perhaps having a better synergy with his Terminator Bodyguards as well), and being a bit tougher so he can actually lead from the front like a true warrior-king should (tip of the spear). Right now he tends to spend more time hiding behind walls near vehicles than he should be. Feels like he should be named Perturabo in terms of playstyle tbh...
Imperial knights are exactly where we want them. Dont need a single change. But sir... Nope, not a single point. Move on Ok but what about bondsman... I said move on!
I think Nids actually did get a nice buff here, it won't change us from Bottom to Top (heh) in the meta but it will help. Swarmy is in a much better place, Barbs are highly under-rated, and the fact that Haruspex/Exocrines weren't touched is REALLY good for us Still Salty about Deathwatch though :(
World Eaters changes are completely pointless and won't change anything No one takes 'Zerkers beyond one or two token units because we have no leaders to attach to them, plain and simple. Only need 1 unit for a MoE w/Glaive, and maybe a 2nd unit if you want Kharn. (who's over costed already!) Jakhals are what they are, 10 more of them won't do much... our Termies are still the worst in the game... Hellbrutes are still bad The army is still pigeon-holed into being forced to play as Angron + Eightbound + LoS spam, and will still live or die entirely by some random dice rolling for the Khorne Yhatzee, while being held hostage by the terrain loadout. We need a ground up rework AND for GW to get off their arses and release the other missing 75% of our actual army!!
