LINCspace I’m pretty sure most people understood that 7 character reveals was really unbelievable, but the fact that there seemed to be so much evidence that also happened to tie in with real people and real companies overrode people’s doubts
I believed it casually because sometimes Sakurai is like we can’t get an Animal Crossing Character because they have too much of a friendly style of life, then we got Villager and Isabelle
Wait, he’s in therapy? From what I heard, he was decapitated by the Nintendo Ninjas, who hid his head in Nintendo headquarters and dumped his body in Area 64.
Remember when the Smash community thought Sakurai would spend 45 minutes revealing 6 newcomers and not talking about vault and language options? You fools
That's why I don't believe any leaks until they get 3 or more reveals right, only one could either just be a lucky guess or they only got one trailer early like the guy who just had Nintendo's E3 and coasted on that as a "legitimate" source or the people who"leaked" Joker but he was the only character they got right
I saw a similar one on Reddit where the punchline is me when a new leak comes out:I believe every word that man just said because it's exactly what I wanted to hear
@@chrisdippertheirateshitter2653 a credible leaker said ryu hayabusa was not fighter pass character #5 he said mabye in a future be he is certain its not #5
Until watching this video, I thought it was the Grinch himself because I saw a lot of videos who did say that it was the Grinch himself coming to Smash!
Funniest part about that whole situation is people only started bragging about how they knew it was fake all along AFTER it was confirmed fake. Despite how smart people think they were the Grinch Leak DID have quite a lot going for it.
NixUniverse #MorriganforSmash Obviously. Even people who sincerely did not believe it was real, they were not confident in publicly saying it because the leak had so much going for it. Many people just didn’t want to believe it because it was “not their most wanted” or “too good to be true.”
I knew it wasn't real because if you have eyeballs and actually looked at the image, it looked fake! So I said it was fake and GUESS WHAT!? I was correct. I knew it was fake from the beginning Edit: I commented the word "fake" on one of the Grinch leak videos about a week before it was confirmed fake. You might have only saw the comments of people saying it was fake after they posted it, a lot of people did lie and said they thought it was fake after it was confirmed fake. You are also correct about the image having a lot going for it. Sorry for being so impatient, good luck on your journeys everybody Oh and also it did have things going against it, Sakurai saying only to expect a few characters, and the image having discrepancies. (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ivL1yvVtpfA.html)
@@ash_aiden I remember getting into an argument in a comment section where I said exactly "the grinch leak is so fake its clearly just a wish list and wtf would chorus kids do? They only sing". and people started bringing up all this 'evidence' about it and I just kept denying it and the moment it was confirmed fake I went back to the comments and started roasting them and most of them started saying how they were just joking and knew it was fake the whole time. ive never seen people so eager to be right in my life
I remember laughing my ass off when Plant got revealed. Probaby my favorite fighter reveal just because of how much chaos it caused it in the community.
Anyone who argued about if Piranha Plant was worthy to be in Smash did not get the point of Piranha Plant. And the people who understood the joke found the fact that people were arguing over if Piranha Plant was worthy for Smash hilarious because that's the joke
I don't know if you're joking or not but the leak wasn't saying the Grinch would be in smash it was just some random evidence people used to track down the company
I just find it funny that the Grinch (2019) was just a boring movie, but it somehow made one of the most famous leaks in all of Smash and video game history
PownicMania5000 It was a terrible movie! Left halfway through the movie because I just couldn’t handle the boredom! Pets 2 (in my opinion) is the single best Illumination movie to date
What's crazy to me is that all these characters are still in the game in some way. -Ken was in the base roster -Banjo got in as DLC -Shadow and Isaac were assist trophies -Chorus Kids, Mach Rider and Geno were spirits.
Three other things I remember that I guess argued that the grinch leak was real 1) The mural on the website was cut off (I believe right at little Mac), and in that very spot on the grinched mural was Isaac, so people thought Isaac was going to go there. 2) We saw the leaf healing item (forgot what it’s called) in a new official smash trailer. Of course, never seeing this before, many believed it was related to golden sun I think. 3) Smash announced a direct less than a week after this leak exploded. Which was pretty 50/50 on whether or not they “want to show all the information legitimately before everyone finds out” or “they want to show the real information before everyone gets their expectations too high.” Obviously it was the latter.
I remember when I saw Incineroar in that fateful direct I heard hundreds of people Internal screaming as their dreams were crushed right before their eyes,wich was even MORE evident by the Shadow and Isaac Assist Throphy reveals(but hey,at least we got Banjo & Kazooei,so not everything was lost).
^ Yep, he didn't do shit. I was saving heaps of info dumps from this time and even just from memory Aaron got a whole bunch of info wrong and missed a whole bunch of stuff too. Aaron isn't very good at researching leaks to be honest.
You know what I think? I think the Grinch leak was just some person’s wishlist. Like they went and made a banner with all the characters they wanted for Smash. And people thought it was a leak or something.
For those curious, here’s what actually happened to all the character’s featured in the Grinch leak: Ken: Did actually make it into the game as an echo fighter of Ryu Shadow: Ended up being an assist trophy in the game Isaac: Same deal as Shadow Chorus Kid’s: Ended up being a spirit in the game Mach Rider: Same as the Chorus Kid’s Geno: Same as the Chorus Kid’s and Mach Rider Banjo & Kazooie: Did actually eventually make it into the game as DLC So yeah, only 2 of the characters from the leak ended up being real, and one didn’t even happen until much later, and the other 5’s chances seem to be dead in the water right now.
It's funny to see that every characters of the Grinch leak ended up being represented in Smash Ultimate in some way (whether by spirits, assist trophies or fighters).
Honestly the amount of "Leaks" that people buy into and constantly bring up is, besides baffling, just annoying when they are so consistently fake and unbelieveable (though I will say after Ultimate's release certain things have been more "believable" since at this point it feels like nothing is impossible, but the game is already out so there aren't any leaks going on to make this an excuse). Often people will guess every potential character in their minds and then say it true just because they are convinced that if they like the idea of the character then it is therefore an incredibly popular character which means it HAS to be in smash. When the reality is that if you just sit back and wait for Sakurai to reveal them, the reveal is way more of a fun surprise and the characters are often not ones you'd expect (like Pirahna Plant), but because of "leaks" people tend to hate all the newcomers because they aren't the ones they were convinced are the only possible candidates and they somehow feel betrayed by that. Its stupid and causes so much strife in the community when it's 99% faked, and the 1% of times it isn't is when Nintendo accidentally reveals it themselves, which is often only a day or so before the official reveal. And most importantly: ALL of the characters get revealed before release nowadays so their really isn't much reason to speculate since none of them will stay a secret for very long. Making the leaks entirely pointless even if they were always true, since it just ruins the reveal trailer that released immediately after the leak anyways.
@@SlaterRecordsTV It really didn't. It was people taking dubious information to heart because of their own personal biases. It was only convincing if you were predisposed to believing it to be true from the start, which also means believers set themselves up for their own failure and disappointment.
Me too. I was neutral on the leak, and was actually hyped when Incineroar was revealed! Then came the Assist Trophy massacre to weigh down my hopes, but Piranha Plant came to replenish them.
I'm french, and just to tell you man, even in France it's such a big mystery ! I'm still confused about it ! Such a great and interesting video as always 😉
If you think about it, illumination is working with Nintendo to make a new Mario movie now. So maybe there was chemistry between Nintendo and the studio 👀
I can’t believe The Grinch was almost in Smash Bros., I remember it all so well. It was a grand time to be a smash fan and during the announcement of the greatest character reveal in all of smash history.
Chorus Kids could work if they were a fighter just to have as a representative but in their moveset have the other rhythm games show up, but the Rhythm Girl work be more likely
Smash Crusade does Mach Rider really well. They have him off of his bike for most of his moveset, only using it for his side B. Crusade treats him kind of like Captain Falcon, how he's a character never seen without his vehicle and with a mostly stand alone moveset.
Every potential leak would be a mess up from Nintendo since the information comes from them in the first place. What you are saying is believe every leaks.
Y'know I almost wonder Xander Mobus said when he recorded voice clips for 4 and Ultimate, he was given a bunch of stuff to say, some of which was fake to prevent leaks from occurring I almost wonder if Bandai Namco showed this "banner" to SOMEONE using the same logic and then they ended up leaking the grinch banner
Sadly, yeah people actually believed it. You would not believe how many times I got yelled at for telling people not to put too much faith in a blurry image. My motto: If it's not confirmed by Nintendo, take it with a truckload of salt.
I dont know how anyone believed this leak. Look at the banner: isaac covers up olimar, banjo covers up mii gunner and shadow covers up mii brawler. The leaker needed some space and put the fake characters over ones not a lot of people cared about so it wouldnt draw attention, but for me it always was obvious idk
And to this very day until further notice. Ken and Banjo & Kazooie has been the sole survivors of the leak. A moment of silence for those that didn't make it... Isaac... Shadow... Skull Kid...
I think a general rule should've been, "If the character isn't an original videogame character, they're not getting in Smash." Like I don't know why anyone would've ever bought this when every DLC character was from a different game that originated from a game. That's why there's a 0% chance of Goku getting into Smash.
I’m so happy that I got my bitey Plant boi rather than the Grinch roster, honestly. Plus, we got Ken and Banjo, and I’m 90% sure that we’re getting Geno anyways. Although I DID fall for the leak completely, and I’m happy that the leak existed because not only is it being called the “Grinch Leak” hilarious, but it drummed up such captivating conversations!
You know, i had three big reasons to not believe the grinch leak back then. No.1: it was too good to be true. Basically everyone in the leak was a character that has a large fanbase - especially in the US. No characters that are more for the japanese fans in the game that's made in japan and with japanese consumers first in mind? Something's fishy. No.2: sakurai directly stated that ultimate wouldn't have that many newcomers. In the end, we got 10 newcomers at launch. If the leak was real, it would've been 14 i believe. That number just felt too high. No.3: if this guy really had such great access to the complete art, why not take an actually good photo? Why take a blurry picture like you never used a camera before and just use that? To conceal faults in the editing, of course.
Just disagree with you on the last point, it was a photo from Snapchat without the intention of being a leak. I mean what Made it more believable in theory was that it was like a accidental leak. But yeah other two points you are totally right bro.
I still remember this 5 years later. This leak had too many moving pieces. My expectations never stood a chance. We're lucky that the game ended up being so phenomenal. We even got Banjo-Kazooie!
Yeah, I still find it hard to believe it’s been a year since this happened. A part of me wanted to think the Grinch leak was real but most of me wanted to not believe in it. And honestly I’m glad it wasn’t. But I wish I could relive seeing the Ken/Incineroar trailer again, because I lost it the minute I saw Incineroar’s eyes.
I was on the side of real when the leak came out for the same reason, BANJO-KAZOOIE. I'm relieved that they're in now, Banjo and Kazooie was who I wanted most in smash, and it's still mindblowing they got in later.
I never believed it, I was sticking by Sakurai's words the entire time I'm also glad that I didn't get into any arguments, cause it sounds like they were intense
As Tv Tropes likes to put it, characters such as Waluigi and Lyn are too popular and had so much exposure in recent media. Meanwhile, characters such as Ridley and Banjo were out of shape and likely weren’t in recent media.
@@lance2580 What are you talking about? Ridley has been a constant and consistent character in the Metroid series, as well as Smash. He has also been asked to be playable for longer than both Waluigi and Lyn (both of which became popular smash picks around Brawl/WiiU, whereas Ridley was wanted since Melee, if not 64.) And what do you mean by Waluigi and Lyn being too popular? I'm not sure what you mean by that, are you saying they haven't been included because people want them? Even though Sakurai has history of including characters because they were wanted for long times (Ridley, Banjo, and K. Rool for example)? Which Trope are you referring to anyways?
Plus sakurai already said in a famatsu article that the characters who joined smash is due to the smash ballot. Characters like waluigi,Issac, shadow lost the ballot and were outvoted by the newcomers (keep in mind sakurai was looking at the ballot result during the vote some characters were not that popular back then)
11:21 Ken: alright the grinch leak is totally fake Incineroar: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Ken: you okay??????????? 11:49 Incineroar: DIE SUKA!!!!!!
i'm a mod in the gamexplain discord server, and i had to moderate the server during the grinch leak season, while people were sharing conspiracy theories that nintendo bribed gamexplain to deny it for "damage control". that sure was a time
It was hilarious watching the livestream during Twitch and RU-vid. A meltdown of denial from #TeamReal as I laughed my ass off because I didn't believe it at all.
At least Ik there's an alternate universe where the Grinch Leak was real (but not leaked at all) and the Ken and Incineroar reveal be the leak of the AU.
I’ve learned to be skeptical of pretty much every supposed “leak” ever since the Alex Hirsch, the creator of Gravity Falls, made a fake leak and fooled the entire fanbase, myself included. It’s difficult to take any leak seriously when the creator of a piece of media pulls a fast one on you like that...
Hey Aaronitmar, I like your Smash-related videos. Will you do a video of Quality of Life improvements for Smash Ultimate? I already have a "few" suggestions, klick show more, of you dare... MII FIGHTERS - Give them actual portraits in the V.S. splash screen (except online to avoid offensive Mii faces) - Let them keep their names in replays (if recorded in either a local/friend/VS match) - Bring back their missing original outfits/hats from SSB4, such as Neon Suit, Cat Ears, Hibiskus, etc. - Add more special moves to choose from (as well as bring back some from SSB4 that were replaced) - Let there be an option to have normal-sized Mii Fighter or a smaller "chibi" Mii Fighter - Give them a classic mode, too - Let they be chosen by random (it already kinda works in Attract Mode) - Let the default Mii Fighters be unlockable via Challenger's Approach as well - Let Kirby use the Mii's hat/hair as a copy and ther actual neutral special - Increase the max amount of letters for their names - Let them have the right place in the CSS (alot of people complain about this) - Let them have their names in uppercase in the in-game UI like the other characters REPLAYS - There should be a option to disable the countdown for the next replay at the end - There should also be a option to disable the controls UI (useful for capturing) - There should be a option to convert the whole replay to video (including the start) - Let us save aborted matches as replay (like it did in Brawl) RULESETS - Add an option to exclude chosen stages completly from the selction screen - Add an option to exclude chosen fighters from the selection screen (useful for bans) - Add an option to change what poké ball pokémon and assist trophies should appear - Bring back the Coin Battle Mode - Bring back the bonus points (as well as a mode for it) like in Melee - Add an option to toggle hazards from the spirit matches ITEMS - Bring back several items like Team Healer, Red Shell, Fan and Cracker Launcher - Make more Assist trophies like Jeff vulnerable - Make most of the poké ball pokémon vulnerable and being rewarding like assist trophies STAGE BUILDER - Let us have more backgrounds to choose from - Let us change ther stages' lighting, not by the background - Add an option to add water and set it's level - Add an option to change the stages' weather (rain, wind, snow, thunderstorm, etc.) - Add more decorative items to place (like random Mii's as crowd, trees, etc.) - Let us choose the starting spots for the players - Add an option to mark places where items shouldn't spawn - Let the pokémon trainer be at the background
I was never aware of the leak itself, just that there was a "Grinch Leak" with those specific characters. I just assumed it was called that because it (seemed to) spoil the entire roster in advance - stealing the surprise like the Grinch stole Christmas.
