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Have you ever looked at later bookmark start dates? If you're eager for more content (especially for late-game nations), it's pretty interesting to see how little paradox has done.
I really wish more of the countries that exist in the modern day had more content (the US, Canada, Romania, etc) so people could play as their home country without it sucking.
I would say that a lot of the balkan countries are also underdeveloped and could use some aditional content Bosnia and Cilli for example have no mission trees
I was happy they added Herzegovina because historically it's a pretty insane state that played all the religions off one another (till it got conqured). But outside of some Core Cost Reduction for minmaxing Bosnia and Herzegovina aren't that interesting to play. I wish there was some weird way of turning Muslim as Bosnia just because the country is majority muslim now
@@Riya-ho5zv well historically Bosnians only converted to Islam because they saw it as a good opportunity to rise through the ranks in the Ottoman Empire. Most Bosnians who converted were members of the Bosnian Church (which was considered heretical by both Orthodox and Catholics), a lot of Orthodox and Catholics remain even today unlike the Bosnian Church (Krstjani). I don't think allowing Bosnia to flip to Islam without being a subject of the Ottomans (or another Muslim state) would work, it just doesn't make sense. Edit: also Bosnia isn't a majority Muslim country, it's basically 50/50 between Islam and Christianity (Orthodox + Catholic)
@@crazehsmile 1. One of the reasons Bosnians embraced Islam is due to feeling shunned by Christendom and apparently there were some few similarities between Krstjani and Islam that the Ottomans introduced 2. The religious map and ethnic map of Bosnia are basically 1:1, almost all Ortho population is being contributed to by Serbs, the Catholic percentage is occupied by Croats, while the Sunni population represents the ethnic Bosniaks
@@mr.sellout6284 1. yes as I said they were considered heretical by both Orthodox and Catholics but advancing in the Ottoman system played a major role - see Albania, they were a mix of Orthodox and Catholic before the Ottoman conquest 2. True but my point still stands, it's half and half between Christianity and Islam, Bosniaks who are Muslim make up half of the country, while Croatians and Serbs who are Christian make up the other half
@mr.sellout6284 The differences between the Bosnian Church and normal Catholicism are highly exaggerated, and are likely historical Hungarian propaganda as the Hungarian Kings wanted papal permission to conquer Bosnia.
I feel like "nobody plays them" as an argument against adding content to new world colonial formables (this is also said about Maghrebi nations) is incredibly weak; The reason noone plays them, is because they have no content. Another area that I'd like see updated is mainlain SE Asia, I know they got done in Leviathan but their trees really aren't all that interesting, and there aren't any interesting formables in the area. In the same vein, I'd like to see more local formables in India, as a sort of mid-step between forming them, and forming Bharat (or Hindustan). A bit like the German regional tags, except for entire culture groups instead of single cultures. Bharat/Hindustan then, really need some better missions or mechanics, something about unifying such a vast place with so much cultural diversity. India is already quite a fun place to play, but that's because of the dynamic political situation, not because of any mechanics.
Yeah, India could use more mid-sized formables. It has a bunch of formables already (like Rajputana or Deccan, apart from the ones you already mentioned), but all of them require owning most of the subcontinent and the only differences are primary cultures/religions. I played a coop campaign in India with my brother once (Malwa & Orissa) and there weren't any formables that would allow us to peacefully coexist next to each other 😅
Hindustan/Bharat should be able to unite all the Indian Culture groups into one big Indian group like how Russia can unite Western and Southern Slavs into one big Slavic group
It’s pretty shocking that Majapahit after Leviathan is still so lacking in unique events and achievements, they were a regional power considered by some to be the predecessor of modern Indonesia
Cornwall's unique part is that they have a very easy event to become a Pirate Republic. However, all of the coastal Irish minors and Scotland can fairly easily become a Pirate Republic if you know the conditions for it and keep/get rid of the correct provinces for it. My favorite campaign I've ever done was a Pirate Republic Great Britain game where I went Munster(Irish) -> Ireland -> England -> Great Britain.
preach 🙏 one of the best mp games i played i went pirate republic scotland and conquered the uk. it felt so good just conquering and raiding 🥰🥰 i released the gaeldom as a vassal to be able to go pirate, in the meantime i invited a friend in to play as my vassal 🤭 unironically a really fun experience that i recommend 😌
The Madagascar countries deserve also some love, they have no flavour and they share their mission tree with mainland East Africa, the only thing going there is that Merina (the historical unifier) has unique ideas (semi-decent ones).
The Tunis and Morocco missions are powerful purely because you can colonise the connecting provinces to the sub-Sahara for free. If you're playing any of the nations in that region you should absolutely form Morocco/Tunis, before then going in to form Andalusia or Mamluks/Egypt who both have very fleshed out flavour.
I'd like to add the balkans Oh what's that? Austria getting an update? No missions nor formables for balkans Italy and Venice getting something? Nothing for balkans Hungary getting some fun? Not a drop for balkans Ottomans and Byzantium getting LOADS of flavour out of their history defining fight? Balkans left out again They are close enough to everyone to be the main pickbone for literally everyone, yet they are far enough to never get noticed... Might also note that I really REALLY want artillery focused national ideas for Bosnia lol
I still think Ava needs their own mission tree that isn't the Taungu one (which they can't even use properly) and unique flavour. Maybe I'm the only one who likes playing in Burma though.
I think the best example of why the barbary states have such bad missions is when you form al andalus and get granadas mission tree which is actually very very good
I would argue a lot of the west west African nations (Air area) and the various Bishoprics lack flavor. Sure the later has HRE stuff but the only flavor for a dismantle run is Germany. The various Sunni Indian tags minus Delhi also merge together in my head excpet for starting position.
i think what gets me about this a lot, especially when it comes to the new world, is how fun the ideas are for a lot of the nations! you see texas mentioned a fair bit, but vermont also has some really cool ones! i think my big issue with the region though, which i hope eu5 really expands upon, is the world created by settler-colonialism. some of my favorite history to learn about is from the border regions of the American colonies. seriously, look into many different river pirates and bandits across decades all headquartered up in a place in Illinois called Cave in Rock (and then they had the murder hotel right up the way from there)! something that anbennar does really well w/ a lot of its systems, which I’ve come to love, is making the game world feel alive beyond just borders growing and shrinking and occasional regional mechanics. compare what it’s like to play as an escanni adventurer tag in anbennar and then a colonial nation in eu4 and it’s just worlds apart. some other areas that really need the content you didn’t mention IMO are India, which feels like it’s on the cusp of being really awesome to play in but as of now is kinda lackluster. then there’s Southeast Asia which has a lot of similar problems. the Central Asia hordes also don’t have enough going on. oirat and mongolia have a good amount but i wanna play kalmyk or kazan! and then there ming, which just feels mostly the same to me as it did when Mandate of Heaven came out (first dlc i got to experience day 1). their content isn’t really much their content, it’s their mechanic as emperor of china. i wish there was more alt history what if w/ regards to upgrading them a lot. i know emperor of china can provide a ton of buffs if you commit to it, and i do like the mechanic, but i wish there was a way to really, truly solidify the idea of the ming dynasty. a real “celestial empire” tag or something. i would ask for a more dynamic dynastic system but that’s a bit too much to ask from eu4. there’s other ones too that could be really cool but just don’t have enough going on but I’ve rambled enough. liked this video, it’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot since they hinted at 1.37 being the last dlc. one last thing. on the topic of the British isles and lack of content, I’ve always been saddened at how little content there is related to the history of the danelaw and such. would be cool to see that expanded upon in a way which flavors all of the isles somehow.
I think Serbia should get a rework at least last I played them their entire mission tree is dependent on whether or not Hungary wants to be your friend and they are likely to rival you at game start
Romania needs some content, yeah impaling the sultan is fun but that's pretty much it, also considering they have a achievement of conquering the rest of the Balkans
New Ideas. Irish minors: no potatoes? Scotland/Brittany: all neighbours have a vassalisation CB on you. Barbary coast: pirated nations have a CB on you for 1 year. American ambition: free geography lesson.
Man it sucks that the Celtic nations are all just slower, shittier, ways of playing their larger neighbors. Especially when the only one where you MIGHT have a reason to do so is the Irish thanks to their decent Ideas, I withs there was something... more to their campaigns but they are the worst example of 'play until 1550 and quit' nations in the game imo
I honestly really wish wish there was more content for colonial nations like the 13 colonies could have something like the Dutch revolt or even unique mission trees
There definitely have been a lot of improvements to native american mission trees and I'm a big fan of the Aztec and Inca trees specifically, but I do wish the Iroquois and maybe some other totemist nations would also get some more love. The Iroquois often get to a decent size in the early game and historically were influential in North America at times, claiming hunting rights in lands as far west as the Mississippi at one point and by some records partly inspiring the US Constitution. Their mission tree as is is fine, but since winds of change it really pales in comparison to other new world options.
I think the Celtic nations should have a mission tree path around forming a united Celtic Empire and reviving Druidism. Is that a bit too ahistorical? Maybe, but if you can form Norse as Scandinavia, why not?
Let's also not forget that the later start dates are actually completely broken, particularly in regions that used to have fewer provinces but have had more added. Just load up a bookmark from the late 1700s and take a look at south-east asia, it's pretty sad how little paradox seems to care about keeping their game updated.
Dont forget Croatia We get some cool stuff but thats basegame, while the powers around us get all the love (been harder to deal with Venice and Hungary+Aus) we get nothing, i hope for a mission tree in in eu5, cause we prob gonna lose the 5% dev i love. We will have less land and more powerful nations to fight agains
Scotland absolutely needs some work. My problem with eu4 is there isn't a lot of reason to play some of these alternatives for formables. You don't retain any Scottish identity really, you just become GB, when in actuality Scotland was a significantly unique nation with a strong culture. I've been craving a Scotland game for a while but tbh just doesn't seem worth even starting.
Imo there should be atleast option to switch to colonial nation when it is established. Right now all you can do is either grant full independence to colonial subject and play as them or exile yourself or you have to use console.
The main challenge of giving colonial nations content is the interaction with the Atlantic Slave Trade. It's undoubtedly one of the most important, defining, and horrific parts of this period, but Eu4 was made at a time when it was viewed as better to not talk about these things in depth rather than mess up doing so. I've been updating my mod that does try to reflect it better (still not out for 1.37 though) and it does make colonial nations a lot more interesting, but I don't think we'll be seeing these mechanics until Eu5.
The post-colonial tags are particularly disappointing because of how comparatively EASY mission trees for them are to make. A Thirteen Colonies tree could quite literally just be a "us history but warp speed" mission tree and I genuinely think it would end up being one of the more popular countries to play in the entire game. And it's not like Paradox didn't acknowledge this - the US HAS a DLC mission tree! It just happens to be mostly worthless. I'd pay $10 for a mission tree that basically follows US history with 1776 corresponding to whenever the tag is formed (IE you get an event for George Washington) and then have history up to the start of the 20th century in events (for example civil war event line with a MTTH of 80 years after tag formation). Could also do a unique government: random candidates, one free re-election, subsequent re-elections very (and increasingly) expensive, maybe +1 to each president mana to make up for the limited re-elections. There's SO much you could do with a USA tag and the game does mostly nothing with it.
A lotta the HRE formable tags are also pretty dissapointing both in ideas and mission tree. Like outside of Prussia Hannover and Bavaria the other like 3? are just worse.. Oh and like the Indian subcontinent as a whole. Tbh just add a few like intermediary formables w mission trees, give a couple unique missions to some interesting people and yeah.
the Crusader States like Cyprus, Naxos, the Knights, also have pitifully small mission trees and content especially given the fact that they can form Jerusalem or the Latin Empire
That's more fine to me, as the content they do have is really cool, the Celtic content and barbary content in comparison is quite lame. It's just conquer this get claims.
pdx should give kamchatkan countries an unique idea that gets rid of the devving malus from arctic climate 😊 in general i wish there were more provinces in that area anyway. the region deserves more love and recognition 🫶🏻
I think the Celtic States are relatively good. The Barbary states though and post-colonial states are tragic, it was disappointing their last dlc was a refresh for nations that were already pretty good. Edit: Also, there was a USA dlc, which is in rough shape and really a pretty big disappointment at this point.
@@micahbonewell5994 hmmm, not sure, Ireland isn't too bad. Their missions are about as involved as Tunis. Scotland is pretty good honestly, better than any of the Barbary States. Brittany is sparse, about the same as Tunis. The minor nations in North Africa though have almost nothing. Cornwall and Wales, I don't count since they don't exist at start or aren't commonly released. Though Cornwall gets an awesome pirate event which makes pirate Great Britain possible which is a great game if you want to do navy.
@@jacob2389 Brittany has a much worse mission tree than Tunis. What missions are you looking at? they have 8 unique missions, tunis has 17 unique missions.
@@micahbonewell5994 you're right about Tunis. I was going off memory and thought Tunis was one of the mission trees with only a single run of unique missions. Tunis is much better than Brittany's.
Not only were the Barbary states around and kicking for a long time. They had a HUGE presence and impact on European politics, development and generally how it was shaped.
Exactly! I'm from a small town in the South of Ireland called Baltimore where there's a pub called the Algiers. The Barbary states raided the town as it was an outpost for English privateers at the time. This occurred in 1631 and afterwards the town was effectively left abandoned for a century. Given that they exerted such influence even in isolated Ireland, I'm surprised that EU4 doesn't at least include tribute/protection money mechanics for Mediterranean states.
Siberia is so neglected that there are still anachronistic province names like Kuznetsov which they should get only about some 300 years later from Russian colonists.
The whole thing of no-one plays late game EU4 therefore it's not worth making content for it thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If there was better content for the late game then more people would either choose a later start or continue playing for longer.
The later start thing is really interesting, you can pick any date in the game but everyone picks 1444 then quits in around 1600 It's like ordering a full course meal and only eating the appetizer. If you wanted to play America it should be fun to start in 1777
I have never touched anything native from Americas N and S. My interest in playing them is just like my interest in dipping into a plague, leprosy male prostitute.
I recently did a multiplayer campaign with friends where I went Brittany into Vermont (was originally going to do Quebec but they didn't change primary culture to Quebecois for some reason). While Vermont isn't anything special, it was really fascinating to learn that they were a real independent nation for 14 years and I wished that gave them at least a few missions based off of that. It's so damn disappointing to know that the USA is the only Colonial nation to have missions and that those missions absolutely suck. If we got Austria-Hungary as a formable despite it not existing within EU4's timeframe then I believe we should definitely get missions for the more important colonial countries that did make an impact later down the line. Tags like Mexico, Texas, Brazil, Haiti, Canada and Colombia should all missions. I think Colombia should even get a mission where they nation change into "Gran Colombia" should they unite their colonial region or something. If not any of that then at least some form of generic colonial nation mission tree so that at least every colonial nation gets something.
I mean, as far as the colonial nations, I kinda get it. Colonial nations weren't a thing til the 1600s and we're out here with Mega Brazil at 1525 and alot of their impact came during the industrial revolution. However, we could offset this by giving them a "what if" style tree, in the vein of HOI4. Or give natives the ability to form those tags as well so you could have two "United States" vying for legitimacy or something like that.
@@LemonCake101 Oh definitely but most of the European or Asian ones were very much along the lines of "this was ALMOST a thing". Like the Angevin Union. Whereas, the Native Nations are literally "what if the new world was just the first coming of Napoleon".
I wrote up an entire DLC worth of USA content but never posted it as a suggestion because it would require a complete rework of how colonies work. Tl;dr was that each state corresponded to an area, and each area had a "Charter colony" button. When in range and a free colonist you can click it to slowly colonize the area, and when the area was fully colonized it would turn into a colony equivalent to the original colonies. Some colonies, like Rhode Island or Delaware, are 1-2 provinces. Others like Virginia and Georgia are absolute behemoths. When they're all colonized an HRE-esque 13 colonies interface is unlocked and you gradually progress to independence.
I did the same thing with Quebec/Canada, Mexico, and West Indies/Cuba! (Haven't touched the USA because this was already a lot of work). Do you think we could share our ideas somewhere (discord?...) and combine them? We might even try to find a modder to make our dreams come true
One more area to update could be like Balkans. Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Dalmatia, Ragusa, Wallachia and Moldavia and maybe even Trnasylvania and Bulgaria. A lot of potenially cool countries with interesting (hard) start but 0 flavour at the moment. I think they also need mission tree or smth to make them enjoyable
The Barbary tags despite not having great missions, ideas or close to any permanent modifiers, are still very fun games. If they removes the straight crossing from Iberia to North Africa it would solve some problems with them getting conquered early by AI
@@micahbonewell5994 a not so bad idea would be that once a certain tech level was unlocked it would unlock straight crossings. Or it could be individually unlocked based on historical context. I have no idea what dates would be best but if done right it would make it a bit more interesting and historical
@@jric6283 that’s a good idea, I would also make it so you need to own/occupy both sides of the straight to cross. Not just making that a requirement for when an enemy navy is present
I agree with all the areas you mentioned, but I would also like to add India to that list. Besides the Dharma DLC and the update Mughals, they have gotten very little content, and the content they do have feels very old.
6:58 "and I'm not referring to natives, which actually have quite a decent amount of content at this point", this is valid exclusively to north america since south america tags got none of the updates like the north got. South america is, by far, the most neglected area in eu4, I could write about 10 pages worth of changes SA desperately need, but this isnt necessary, you can just compare the provinces from 1.8 back in 2014 with the ones we have today to see the level we are at with the continent
Ireland was the first country I ever played in eu4 back in the early days and I always really enjoyed it and occasionally do a run but I do agree with the amount of power creep in the game Ireland (and everyone bar england in that region) was completely left behind and outside of RP purposes and the fact I'm from there I struggle to find reasons to play it these days :/
i felt the same playing in the region, but i'm sure it must extra suck if you're from there 😢 are there some good mods out there that add flavour to ireland maybe?
The evolution of tag & province names is also something which can be a proxy for how neglected some places are. Two problematic names I have personally raised in the past is Chagatai, which has since been corrected into Moghulistan, and Tunis, which has not yet been corrected into Ifriqiya despite "Tunis" as a name being a remnant from the days back when Memel was a square. The thing "Tunis" represents ingame is the Hafsid kingdom of Ifriqiya in irl history.
For me I always wish there was more events when you colonize or play as a colony events that can like lead to gain more land, find resources, discovering landmarks adn new species of animals and improve the events that leads to colonial and Independence wars. Also regions like Central Asia and the Tibet region deserves some update.
I was really hopig for a Colonial nations missions for the Americas, including maybe a mechanic to better detail tough native resistance against colonisation. Which right now, is way too easy
I hope for one hyper update before EU5, that would give new mission trees for Novogrod, Balkans, Poland, Africans, American colonial states and maghreb
I literally said siberia first and made multiple suggestions on pdx forums about siberia, and you just written them off 😭 But surprised you did not mention India. Dharma was ages ago and almost all the small tags dont have missions at all, even the many formables and even the major tags missions are kinda outdated.. India has a LOT of potential as a region that paradox didnt tap into. Also includes Tibet as Tibet also has more potential than paradox uses and their missions are only used to become a horde, made a mod where Tibet had a reasonable mission tree and more content.
Currently doing a Venice into Rome campaign. Ai France speed colonized eastern America and owned nearly all of it. I was pleasantly surprised when they asked for Support Independence. I naturally accepted and won the war with them. They broke free and formed Florida for one day, then became United States thankfully lol. I will always support independence for the eastern American colonies because I just love seeing USA on the map. Also cool that this all happened in 1620s in my game
ngl I kinda wish andalusia had more interesting content. They have a unique government which is in almost every case going to be worse that the government you formed it as, and a fairly extensive mission tree which mostly just boils down to conquer a bunch of stuff for some temporary bonuses. It does have some stuff like spawning new centres of trade and an underwhelming country modifier tied to your capital province, but for an endgame tag, and especially one in the iberian peninsula it feels pretty underwhelming.
The main focus of this game is not on colonial tags. i mean what did Brazil do before 1821? Brazil is still part of Portugal before the end date same goes to Mexico or other major colonial tags. There's really no justification for getting new content for these. As for siberian nations, i mean who plays them? There's already many tags in SEA where most people only play Malacca or Majapahit.. Who is gonna go play some obscure nation like "Indrapura" "Jambi" "Banjar"? Let alone siberian minors? As for Celtic nations and barbary nations, i do agree that there are some reworks needed. However, the content needed isn't really worth a DLC. The last DLC already pretty much improved on the "fringe" nations such as Inca/Aztec/Kizn Khafa/Theodoro...
I was really disappointed with Winds of Change when they updated Timurids and Mughals but no updates for mission trees for popular Indian tags like Delhi, Vijaynagar, Mewar, Bahmanis, etc. They still let the Timurids form Mughals which does not make any sense whatsoever. Did not add flavor to the South Indian tags given IRL they resisted Mughal expansion for decades. Only good perma modifiers from the Indian mission trees are perma claims throughout the Indian Subcontinent (Delhi), perma dev cost modifiers for certain provinces (Bengal and Mewar/Rajputana have those missions). Also the generic Bharat/Hindustan mission trees could have used a refresh too
Celtic flavor for GB is a good idea. Berbers getting at least some flavor missions for helping to go iberia or another wouldn't hurt. New world European countries definitely need a face lift. They have some Great MP ideas but a few more wouldn't hurt. The big ones all need some meaty trees. (Brazil, canada, mexico, USA) USAis sora easy to solve, make it highly flexible a few tree so you can go OG, kingdom and nobility path but better laws and parliament, religious America (make it any religion for the memes)or another one path. the devs can think of.
Very disappointed the mare nostrum dlc didn't do much with the Barbary pirates and the formation of the regency of Algiers and Tripoli, and the diplomatic plays of swaying the Maghreb between joining the sultan, or remaining neutral by tribute from the Europeans ☹️
My personal pain is broken Ruthenian missions. I love playing as Zaporozhie but its missions are completely useless, you only get access to the part of the missions that affect Ruthenian land after you conquer ALL of Russia. You also have exactly 0 unique events, and I have filling that you are rarely get any events at all playing in this part of the world.
I feel this is just the basic problem with the whole mission tree style of flavour, if they tied more events to specific combinations and made it easier to see potential events and create some way to have variants of events there would be so much more flavour for everyone. instead of the early made mission trees being too small, and so random nations having massive depth of missions and unique mechanics, while others get nothing.
An interesting 'reward' for completing the Irish missions or uniting Ireland or something would be to remove the straits crossing into Scotland and make all landings into Ireland by hostile forces take like +200% longer. Something that would help to separate Ireland from GB and like ya said, make something more unique then just x -> GB but a lil worse.
Still wishing for better content for the filipino nations like Cebu to Chola Empire since they still have that dynasty or Madyas pirate stuff, but no one places here... atleast we got some awesome sprites last year
Another thing completely forgotten is the random new world. I may be alone but I love it. It's so refreshing and I can get back the feeling of discovery I lost as I know the game better and better But the generation is shit so a small rework would be cool
For new world nations rarely existing I would have to say I'm either really lucky, or they do exist often. The past 5 games I have had, the USA gained independence, and at least one other colony breaks away. But yes, they are easy to hold on to....but then again, my last 2 games Poland lost Lithuania so idk
Let's see countries in balkan like Serbia, Walachia, and Bosnia. Some countries in India like Nepal Rajputana, to name a few. Also, the whole Indonesia subcontinent and central Asia hordes. They really should start releasing small patches that add a mission tree or two or expand on already existing ones
US should just get a mission tree similar to the one they have in extended timeline, it has them conquer most of North America and the pacific and multiple missions have permanent buffs as rewards. We are talking about a country that less than 2 centuries after EU4s end date became the undisputed global hegemon here.
