The Most Overhated Units in DBZ Dokkan Battle 

Lol I am moreso saying people need to stop saying units like SEZA SSJ3 Goku and INT Gotenks are better than him.

@@legendaryred24 I prefer int gotenks, for me he's more consistent as long as you have a full dodge build. Also toppo is pretty restricted to his teams, while gotenks you can put almost everywhere.

Dodge or die ​@@DiamondRadar

​@@hydreigonchungushe does quite a bit of the dying part.

​@@DiamondRadartoppo is not pretty restricted to his teams you don't really need his intro up anyways deep into fights without it he does pretty well untransformed?

Yessirrrrr, don’t do commentary all the time but try to upload one or two videos a week with it

What happened

​@@fabriciosantiago566 the repetitive nothing berries of his uploads of just the previous edition of a video with the addition of the new character Thats what i get

Yeah, what he said is just 100% incorrect

...so might wanna rectify that statement lmao

Well actually after running some test it's actually stacked on tip of the 77 it's real cool the guy who did the test made sure to thoroughly go over the units and so far the only one with a separate prock is gotenks

No, it's part of the 77%

brother the extra 7% is added on top of his already insane chance to dodge, he stacks dodge

Hey appreciate it man😤. Yeah the future Gohan tech is something I thought of the moment I saw his EZA. I was like Gohan was born to create Vegitos🤣🤣

He is just so good. He helps teams with health conditions out so much

He is still super good on future lol

That’s usually where I run him

@@Juicewrldsuncle fr

Appreciate it😤, I just like bringing discussions to the channel and just have fun chatting with y’all about Dokkan. It’s a great time 😌

The problem other than the condition is they are not hitting hard enough. LR PHY Carnival SSJ Trunks hit better than them and also LR TEQ Zamasu too after a few turnl

@@alfinprathama8219 Damage does not matter in a game where it is either defend or die and they can do it that in base until turn 5 and after they fuse

@@legendaryred24 I kinda agree with that, but transforming them is not easy especially with the boss that can one turn kill you

@@alfinprathama8219being fair against realm of gods enemy’s they are good at tanking in slot 1

🤣, I mean some people think he is hated fair enough lol

Beastless Gohan went crazy lmao

before str beasthan was out, he was kinda suck with the lack of ki, bad link and can only guard for 3 turns

@@ankhtokari7895 I honestly can’t find a good linking partner for him that’s the real issue

@@ankhtokari7895 I agree with that

Yeah it makes sense why they do but they are crazy good in standby

And phy ulthan

@@justindai8401 nah not really

@@legendaryred24 yea, theyre only passable alongside beast. They dont even have a guaranteed super. They build up with supers which is bad, they struggle for ki while not changing orbs

@@justindai8401 ki is resolved with Beast and sure supers aren’t guaranteed but he gets a 70% chance which will proc most of the time. It really ain’t an issue if you get the Ki which Beast makes very easy

Fr

Yup

Okay I can understand Agl UI cause it’s feels 50-50 with him but I can’t wait for his EZA on global. But WHO GAVE everyone a pack on STR Vegito. That’s crazy to think people believe his passive to transform is hard. I think the idea of Int FG is cool but if you bringing these guys to hard events and with the bosses dealing like 500k supers of 1 mil, I don’t think these guys have a hard time turning. Idk what the community is thinking

@@israelgasca9489 fr lol. People get mad at me for me putting SV on here and people still saying Buuhan is better than SV😭. MUI will look way better after his EZA

He is definitely one of them as well

Yeah for sure, but people still underrate him even after his EZA, which is why he was included.

@@legendaryred24tbf I also think it has something to do with lr bluevelution vegetas eza, which completely overshadowed lr mui But that doesn’t also mean lr mui is a bad eza, right?

​@@nachozacho1407 Yeah I think that is possible, and so by comparing the two they judged MUI a little bit harder. MUI is still an amazing EZA tho.

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He has 50% DR pre super lol. And on top of that he has 100% dodge after active and has 50 chance to dodge as well. He has less dodge and more DR than Gogeta like what are you on about

@@legendaryred24 oh im talking from personal experience, like, u cant say that hes as good as gogeta. Damage wise Gogeta just blows Vegito’s out of the water and he also has the target skill too, which protects the entire team. Also the team and the half senzu+rainbow orb change. Like theres no argument for Vegito transformed being better than Gogeta. Dont get me wrong, Vegito is still cracked, but hes not Gogeta

@@Go-get-a-Job I never said Vegito was better than Gogeta but what I stated was that he is on a very similar level especially defensively in which Vegito is better than Gogeta thanks to the damage reduction. GB 100% does more damage and the target skill 100% gives him the edge, but VB performs on a similar level once he is fused.

@@legendaryred24 yeah me personallyh there not on a similare level. Like theyre close but not similare. The only thing Vegito has an advantage on is defense not including dodge. Gogeta does so much more for the team and even by himself

@@Go-get-a-Job And I agree with that but defense is so important which is why I think he is closer than most people think. Gogeta is still better especially damage-wise and utility-wise.

@@TrippZ8 yep

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No Fr. Vegito is my fav unit and he just needs a stand alone. And vegito blue from the 5th year was alright, until he ezad, he’s monstrous but we need a new one fr

​@@Ianakiona217 yeah but we'd have to wait a bit since we got LR SSJ gogeta on jp not too long ago and they like to release LRS of vegito and gogeta together or close to each other so we probably won't see him for the rest of the year, unless it's a TUR to which I'm hoping it's a transforming base DBZ vegito

Nah the hp condition is fine, but the turn restriction should be slightly lower

Me too, after I saw that I was like nah they disrespected my GOAT😤

Did I watch a different video, cause truth placed str vegito on 5, above teq piccolo. That doesn't seem low.

@@DiamondRadar yes

@@DiamondRadar yes

​@@DiamondRadar ion even remember the vid but 5 is pretty damn good

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Exactly, he is not super insane damage wise but the ability to keep you at 70% is actually very broken weirdly enough lol.

@@r0kapls57 lol fr

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I was more so referring to him after his EZA

@@legendaryred24 that’s fair, I heard he’s like top ten after it. I play on global so I haven’t gotten a chance it try it yet.

@@jackattack4754 that is fair

I mean I agree to the since that you don’t have to play around conditions with Vegeta but Toppo is more effective against the final boss when you transform to GOD than Vegeta . That is why imo Toppo is closer to Vegeta than people think bc of how good he can be if you hold is transformation for the end

@@legendaryred24 yeah i def agree with you that hes kinda underrated. People are gonna underrate an unit when its Vegeta and Toppo and they are like 2 tiers above every other TUR

@@Go-get-a-Job True

INT Future Gohan is truly the key to success

@@legendaryred24 wait, i don't know if you're serious or you're joking on me...?

@@ByronLoveAphrofdite no fr he is amazing

@@legendaryred24 oh thanks Dude 🤝🗣️🔥

Fr

And that he was bad

I’m pretty sure his dodge itself stacks I thought 🤔. Ik Gotenks doesn’t but I could’ve swore MUI’s was

@@legendaryred24 if it did stack like that it would be absolutely insane but there have been no characters that can actually do that(hirudegarn doesn’t count)

@@NotFidy yeah I was gonna say uh doesn’t Hiru do that

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agreed. I love all of the buu boys animations a whole ton and they really dont deserve the hate

No bc Beast doesn’t have multi turn support. The thing is idk why you wouldn’t link Beast with Ulthan since they share every link

Put 2 Beast Gohan (1 from you n 1 from your friend) for Ulthan You want to have Beast Gohan for each rotation. If you have 2 Beast Gohan in 1 rotation, then just float one of them in the 3rd slot

@@alfinprathama8219 Yep

It is not like Super Vegito is on LR SSBE Vegeta's level or something lol. Buuhan is a whole league below what Super Vegito can do. Buutenks is better than Goku and Vegeta sure just float them off and then use Future Gohan to get the condition it really is not that hard. People who don't choose to play around the condition will take Buuhan, but you build your team smart you'll see SV turn 4 and the unit is world's above Buuhan.

Exactly

Exactly

It is meant to say they are similar defensively. Otherwise no they aren’t. But they are extremely similar defensively

With Beast he is so much better

He has 50% DR????

Welcome to the Dokkan Community lol

Fr

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Same

Oof

Professional INT SSJ4 Goku glazer huh… that main gets the correct amount of hate😭. Can take 8 turns to just get into his standby… that’s awful he’s aged horribly

​@@legendaryred24 Well in this game only so many people stay good man. For all I know AGL Broly is gonna age horribly and I'm going feel bad about pulling him a year from now.

Because of this being a gacha my favorite units can't meet standards anymore. I'm not even glazing him, I could do this for everybody for all I care. I'm not gonna go to war over this but there's so many units I love that apparently can't just meet the standard nowadays like The Buu Duo, Blue Duo, PHY SSJ4s, GT Duo, TEQ Zamasu, etc. I get it they fumble the bag sometimes but like geez.... hey at least we have ezas. I was about to do the same for Blue Evo Vegeta until he finally got his and look how he turned out! Amazing! Just wait until Kaioken Goku and Great Ape Vegeta get theirs, hopefully it'll be good. I don't know, it feels kinds unfair that only certain units get to be good long-term and some are just left out in the dust...

@@legendaryred24 I mean.... you gotta work with what you got man... not everyone can pull the new units. I got Broly, I was pretty lucky to get him but the rest of my team that he's on which is extreme class would be considered mediocre at best. Lemme see who I've got him with rn.... this is gonna hurt saying this but I'm working with what I got for an extreme team.... Leading the team TEQ Merged Zamasu and the rest of it is AGL Broly, INT Piccolo JR, AGL Super BUU, AGL Frieza, and INT Cell.... I have no better extreme class units to run and before Broly it was STR Cooler.

@@supersonic7212 That doesn’t make the unit good tho, just because a player is limited on options doesn’t change the situation. SSJ4 Goku isn’t awful but he has way too many flaws that are just due to bad design

I can agree with that. It does require A LOT to make it work

283k from a Super is not bad at all against the 9th anni meta… you were already low on health, but you also need to get orbs. He can get caught if he doesn’t get orbs

did you picked like 1 orb for them tf

@@MrDantevergil90 fr lol

you don’t need a Trunks with INT Gohan. He is fine in base

He is the key to their success

@@legendaryred24 wow

@@tadeopena8009 He is just that guy

lol fair

He was awful on release I will not lie lol. Beast makes him so much better

6:58 int future Gohan is like the helper of all these fusion characters

@@TMHDACOOL fr lol

Ikr🤣

Additional and dodge. Additionals are important for Ulthan so I would focus on those first and then invest some dodge as well

I couldn’t tell you verbatim what it would he bc mine is 100% built wrong lol

Its AA > Crit, dodge can be helpful but there is next to no real reason to give it to him, he does most events with 0 risk because Beast, OP & Gogeta basically remove risk from the portion of the fight he can potentially die (turn 5-7)

@@spikyball5883 I mean sure but the turn he can be supered is when you want that dodge

@@legendaryred24 There is no turn he can be supered, the only attack in the game that could touch him in that period is STR Gogetas AOE (which can kill if its post super) But relying on a 15% dodge is not ideal, crit gives him a considerable damage boost all the time, which you want to focus.

lol fr, Vegeta is better than Toppo mostly bc of the teams he is on, and others yeah pretty much just cherry picking their kits bc they aren’t the character they wanted or they have to earn the hype character

Not if you know how to transform them… their guard and dodge is fine for the first 5 turns

@@legendaryred24 Yeah I guess but from what I’ve seen they are kind of dodge or die characters

@@WhiteHog If you keep them out of slot 1 they don’t get the defensive buff. Of course when you float them they won’t have it but they still are fine. Plus most of the time minus Zamasu you are not fighting a AOE enemy by turn 4

@@legendaryred24 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm alr

Nah their base is good at least back then. Guard with 50% dodge and def in 1st slot is rlly good. His transformation condition is also pretty good

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Fr lol

He hates AGL VB💀

The takes would not be posted here if they did not exist. Super Vegito gets hated on constantly bc of yes transformation condition and same AGL VB. MUI gets hate bc people label him dodge or die which again is true, but the way they built him makes it work, Z Duo yes we know they suck base, the pay off (especially if you have a weaker box) is you get one of the most broken units in the game for the long fight portion. Most bosses do not do enough damage early into fights to endanger Z Duo too much compared to the short meta, but again still a risk running them. The Gohan point being next to Beast is more so the fact that he had Ki issues. That was the reason he suffered a lot. Beast helps his Ki deficiency and is his best linking partner. Yes everyone is gonna “look good” next to Beast, but Ulthan’s flaws being fixed are more so bc he actually has a linking partner now who also gives 3 ki upon being hit. Yes he benefits from the other stuff as well, but it is the fact that he actually has a true linking partner now. Blue Duo generally is fine in the new meta but you do have to transform them quick. VB’s 100% dodge after active and 50% Dr is very nice and can handle a lot more than you think but again it is risky to run him still. INT Future Gohan yes he can get caught in the extremely difficult fights like Gogeta, but he’s still very useful he just has to stay under 70% HP or he will get blasted away. All in all you have to realize I’m not saying these units are a must run on every account and if you don’t then what are you doing. The point is prove they are more valuable then where people are placing them. Ulthan is not a bag of rocks, LR STR Super Vegito is better than Buuhan and a few others, AGL VB is wayyyy better than people have him, Toppo is way closer to Vegeta than people think if not in some situations better, Z Duo has aged way better than most of the 8th anni units due to their standby etc. Of course the units have holes but a lot of them have been fulfilled over time and on top of that some units got better value bc of the meta shift like Z Duo(yes Ik they can easily get caught in the new meta, but their standby is invincible with you get their orbs)

I’ve legit never had issues with them at all. Bosses do enough damage to get you under 70% and again if you struggle to maintain that Future Gohan helps maintain that help under 70%. Their transformation especially in long fights is not an issue. Just float them on turn 4 if you worry about pulling it off.

@@legendaryred24 yeah but not everyone has future gohan. And most of the time they get killed before blue bois get to do anything. floating off is good until they do aoe supers.

@@Trsshpandasa7867 yeah but on turn 4 they have dodge and guard still they can handle an AOE from Super Buu. Then once you float them off they can transform to VB immediately on reappearance

Every unit I list on here get/ got hate on some shape or form. Whether you are connected enough to the dokkan community to see it is different but it was there and was/ is rampant. AGL MUI is still labeled dodge or die, STR Vegito is labeled a fraud bc feel like they can never transform him, and we are not talking about Global met a so 100% the point for the Blue Bois stand. I’m not talking about Global who are 6 months behind actual difficult content. But even then the issue is not the turns. Turn 7 is not that big of a deal since a good amount of units get to there best form around this time and that is the worst case scenario for VB. His best case is turn 5, which is perfect especially bc again we are in a long fight meta. Z Duo I can see where you are coming from but his standby is the most broken thing in the game minus Beast rn. You take 0 damage and you get to fully charge a nuke… he is extremely helpful especially against 9th anni fights which are longer and don’t start out as hard which allow you to stack Z Duo and then get them to standby which they will be in the rest of the fight while charging a nuke.

He’s GOATED

Appreciate it😤

He is just too good, never disrespect the GOAT MUI😤

Who?

@@legendaryred24 the units

@@goldendestiny_ Right but wdym by what did the do?

@@legendaryred24 what did they do to get hate?

@@goldendestiny_ I couldn’t tell you tbh. They just get hated on for no reason 😭

lol fr

Fr

💀, those units are actually bad😭

@@legendaryred24the ezas gonna come in clutch, trust me bro 🤫

@@supersonic7212 better hope so🤣

Appreciate it🫡

@@legendaryred24 your welcome bro

Also with all the respect vegito transformed isn’t as strong as phy gogeta blue. Gogeta does have way more utility, damage, more dodge chance, higher attack stats due to crit chance, target ability etc It’s like comparing a coughing baby to a nuclear bomb.

@@user-qt6vd8ry1p not really damage sure he has crit chance, but numbers are very similar while VB can dish out 4 supers at 11 mil with super effective against all types, GB 100% has more utility, and yes more dodge, but VB also has 50% DR so if he gets hit he’s not getting blasted the same way GB would. Really the reason of statement for that was bc they are similar in terms of defense and without crit on GB damage as well not necessarily the target skill and etc just base performance

Blue Bois hate for “basic animations and base form” doesn’t even make sense. That’s just hating to hate that point/ a personal preference for then a valid reason to hate. You just mentioned the exact reason why he was over hated as well for Ulthan. He is over hated bc he was advertised as Beast and we didn’t get Beast that is it, case closed. He is still one the best pre 9th anni units in the game and is still able to handle a majority of tough fights in this game (not talking about Gogeta Blue or movie boss rush or SOH Trunks) but people hate on him as if he can’t do anything which he can, and he can do it even better now next to Beast which helps the holes in his kit. These units are 100% overhated because of responses like these. You didn’t mention a single useage issue with these units you just listed reasons to hate them for no reason

@@legendaryred24 gogeta has way higher atp with his 18 ki and 12 ki sas (and also does more consistent sas) For reference I saw the video of dokkan world where both were in a rotation and had gt vegeta as a support. Furthermore enemies do have way higher defense so crit do sadly matter. Finally while it’s true vegito has the better slot 1 defense due to 50% dr it sadly doesn’t matter in the long run due to his sot being rather low. Rn his typing is great thats why he can hold up slot 1 against str gogeta blue though against other typing he most likely dies. Thats why gogeta blue > vegito blue easily combined with the fact that gogeta has also his team protecting abilities, rainbow orb changing and two turn healing.

@@legendaryred24 I think overhated is the wrong title for your video. Underrated is more fitting because I think you mean how those units hold up in the current meta like blue boys and beastless ? In terms of content both have good fights beastless has cell max and blue duo can perform well against str gogeta

VB 100% does not suck lol. A unit with 100% dodge after ba active and then after has 50% DR with 50% sucks alright buddy. Gogeta and Vegito Blue are the same unit defensively so idk what you are on about. Gohan yes he lost his use but he does not suck. He can handle most of the hard content (I’m not referring the #1 bosses) and be able to handle this pressure. The issue is you are comparing him to these 9th anni monsters. Compare him to the units that came out around his time and you’ll find very little units that can stand up to these crazy bosses yet Gohan gets all the hate because he’s “fraudhan” yet there are maybe 10 units pre 9th anni that can even handle 9th anni content.

@@legendaryred24 all 2023 units aged out. We are in a new meta. Idc if you came 5 years ago you cannot perform in new content you suck. 500k defense with 50% DR before attacking isn't good. Not to mention how bad future saga is atm and I am not trying to die while attempting to get mid out. That 100% dodge active is a one and done. Other than that he provides nothing. Cannot tank cannot deal damage. Not to mention there are many better slot 1 units than him so why sabotage my team by putting this loser in slot 1?

@@legendaryred24 also if there are 10 pre 9th anni units that can handle the meta, that means those 10 are good. Gohan isn't one of them. He cannot handle the new content so he sucks. End of story.

@@patricklitterallyit4164 you are missing the point of the video, I’m not saying the units are a must add now and use them as your premium options. Like dude there are 9th anni units that just came out of course you are using LR AGL FP Broly or LR STR Beast. What I am saying is they can handle the pressure if you do not have the new shiny premium units. I’m not saying to handicap yourself to use them but they aren’t awful units by any means these units are not hard to use at all. Especially VB. Gohan does require a little more work to make him good but he does the damage and has his guard (yes ik it goes away just pop Beast and he’ll be fine). VB has way more than 500k defense chief idk what VB you’ve been using lol. 1 mil defense 50% DR and 50% chance to dodge with 4 additionals at 11 mil and super effective against all types. He is literally Gogeta Blue without the extra dodge. If you like GB, VB is the exact same thing without the target skill.

@@patricklitterallyit4164 lol ight buddy, Gohan can handle the meta that is what I am saying he handles most of “Blue Zone” just fine he gets his additionals and gets his Ki thanks to Beast. I’m not telling you here is the secret Gogeta Blue killer I am saying people over hate these units for no reason while giving love to units like Future Gohan who can’t do a thing in 9th anni content lol. And back to VB sure future sucks but why are you stuck using VB on future? All you need is one person from future to be on the team.

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@@legendaryred24 After seeing the video, yeah no. Toppo ain’t the problem. It’s the players trying to play him brain dead. Ima pull this man on global when he arrive just for this unjust hate he is apparently getting from lack of skilled players.

He can still struggle for sure, but the video isn’t to make a point like everyone needs use Ulthan. It is more so he is a useable unit 😂

I never said LR Ulthan is a top-tier unit you need to run, but what I am saying he is much better than what people think even to your point. You are saying other units can do the same, right so what? Beast directly helps Ulthan to get his supers WHICH HE DOES. And you saw in the video he tanks double digits from UI Omen while hitting for 18 mil per super. His supers are no longer an issue since Beast provides so much ki to Ulthan and now he can perform on a great level. I am not saying he is better than any of the 9th anni super heroes units but he is better than (minus Piccolo) all the ones before. You are just missing the overall point of the flaws that Gohan once had people are saying he still has, which he just doesn't now. He gets his supers, he gets his ki and Beast can take normals away from Ulthan so he can super freely while providing Beast his 7 links. He also has ki blast null which helps a lot in these tough fights. He is nowhere near bad now, you can easily get is 24 ki allowing you get that additional super.

while its true that his biggest weakness is now gone my problem with him is not tanking omen ui goku normals thats most characters can do like its not something speciel the REAL normals are gogeta normals cell max normals that can tear threw his guard and trunks normals after super even if you come and say but he can be protected but the problem is that he isnt really fixed again the problem wasnt just his ki but the fact that only on super he build up his passive which makes him inconsistant as well as he will die from the aoes of gogeta which is the hardest fight in the game now i understand your arguement yes he became better but in the same time he became worse because the powercreep hits him as well look at the fact that he was a type advantage against ui omen which means his guard was still up which in most fights it wont be up and with that if your arguemnt will be the beast active again that doesnt make him better that makes beast more insane litteraly being able to carry saibaman threw this fights which again I wanna ask why would you run him in the first place im not saying top 10 unit im not saying top 20 unit im not even saying top 30 unit this guy is much much much lower on the list and yes we will compare him to orange piccolo as he came out IN THE SAME TIME AS HE!! he does ok damage like at this point his damage is not super crazy or anything cause ya know a year past and characters like broly beast the gammas and gogeta came out as well as tons of other characters which in the end make me ask again why would you run this fraud of character in the first place? people sure can down play him i agree but its not that he should be ranked higher he is ranked where he should be @@legendaryred24

i just dont see him get close to top 20 lr and im saying LR forget about tur @@legendaryred24

​@@yanyannolife326The issue is you are calling him a fraud while also saying while not run these shiny new 9th anni characters over a character that released before the 8th anni. That is a dumb and invalid argument. It is like saying LR STR FP Cooler was a fraud when LR STR GT Duo came out. On top of that we hit the biggest power creep in dokkan history so if you wanna say well 9th anni makes him still look bad well then look at Piccolo in those fights as well lol he doesn't handle them too well either. In fact I will make the argument and say NO UNIT pre 9th anni that has not been EZA'd is a fraud by your standards. Why run PHY Toppo and the LR Ginyu Force when you can just run Beast's team. Why summon for Goku and Buu when you can just run Super Heroes, that is just a dumb argument. We already knew Ulthan was not gonna be able to handle the 9th anni powercreep, but uh news flash neither can any unit pre-9th who has not had a recent EZA either. The point I am stating and I will state once more is you need to use Beast to take the problems away from Ulthan and before you say well he can even do that for a Saibamen so invalid, but a Saibamen is not guarding for the first two phases of a fight and doing 20 mil damage per super and then you reach the final boss you pop Beast and then he's fine. I want you to name 30 units not from the 9th anni or later (On JP's schedule) that are better than LR Ulthan I'll wait bc I am almost certain you will not have more than maybe 5. Which will prove my point he was overheated on release and Beast made it so he can reach the potential he was supposed to reach. He is very good in short fights, especially with Beast and that value will be known once the meta shifts back, which it will.

you wants names for characters who are better then him and do more? easy orange piccolo 23rd goku 17 and 18 fusion zamasu the z duo the gt duo ssj4 goku sword of hope trunks future gohan agl lr ssj gohan ssj trio, vegeta and trunks, str kid gohan and piccolo I can continue you gotta understand im not here to talk about aging gracefully or not but you prob will get the same result if you even put the lr gods from the 7th year anniversry I could tech continue but like I feel like I proved my point unless you want me to say more characters cause I CAN even teq gohan does better job then him only because he potentially can reach 20 mil at the start of the fight with his intro up doesnt make him do better then most characters as damage is not the problem of his ITS THE FUCKING DEFENCE and now fights go for more then 3 turns you know? saying he is done his job by being under beast active doesnt make him a runable unit it makes him a high risk low reward character take him to redzone movie boss rush take him to supreme battle specticle take him to actual tough bosses and see what he can do yes he aged out but thats the fucking point he is an aged out unit like 99 precent of the game its not a shame its just that the meta has changed you know its long fights that are ruling right now now ofc the ui fight is still a decent fight which is nice that he does good there guarding for the 2 turns doesnt cut it you know how many people laugh on eza super vegeta because his 5 turn guard? you could very much just put him next to beast and act like people are fools for laughing on him and he just have 1 more turn of guard compare to lr beastless gohan im calling him a fraud because he was and still a fraud he never became the goat by any means the real goat is lr beast being able to carry him to win on his back Im sorry but I simply not seeing it like I used him and I ran him in the new hard fights so I know he is still the same fraud 1 million defence post super does not cut it anymore he gets washed by gogeta the only fight I can hear you out on is the beast fight as beast only super in slot one then sure you can hide him kinda @@legendaryred24

Not really lol

@@legendaryred24 Unfortunately thats just the straight up truth, especially if we keep getting AoEs or even super AoEs he'll get worse and worse over time for hard content

@@Justicek02nd AOE’s are not present in the hardest fights at all so that’s not an issue

@@legendaryred24 Considering a new RZ dropped with AoE supers. So that can screw him, Old easier fights like zamasu still screw him... after her guard is up he simply can not hang unless you're using gogeta to protect him making him unable to even tank normals. Yeah he isnt good. Anyways have a good one nice content :)

He 100% is lol, in terms of defense that is. Otherwise no, the utility Gogeta has is insane same with damage.

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Yes he is lol

Because of how bad they can be in base. If they don’t quad super they die. To me they are only better than the GT Duo bc of their standby

@@legendaryred24 i use them both and i usually die because of the gt duo, the z duo tanks well to me

@@holychad1909 I think it can go either way tbh, but again the standby is much better for the Z Duo. They both suck defensively before standby tho.

They only have raw defense and rely on super more than gt duo. Also the gt duo have much lore utility with the 80% support and revive

Team Building game where you have to build teams in order to take down crazy bosses. Plus summoning and gathering characters

@@legendaryred24 DBL Candy Crush hard mode without PvP?

@@SandshrewEnthu1 DBL the tapping simulator?

@@legendaryred24 DBL the grinding simulator

Skill issue

@@h37f4 what about Videl?

@@legendaryred24 She’s been overhated since release? To the point people are revising history as if she wasnt at least top 3

@@h37f4 I guess I haven’t heard anything about her tbh

lol no he isn’t