I feel like the internet is just so over inflated on everything. I've honestly never met a "tactical" ex-military guy who disrespected 22lr. Nor have I ever met a prepper who didn't own (or plan to own) a modern centerfire rifle. 22 has it's place.
There are plenty. FOBbits who claim they were trained by the military, so they are every wargod in human form. I know more actually high speed folks than most- none of them write off .22.
@OperationPoor In all honesty your video kinda makes my point. 22lr has it's place. But I don't think it's really anyone's first choice for self defense.
You are correct, today's GunTube is rehashing old tropes with less info to get views from newbies that don't know enough to correct them. It's like if you would take one sentence from a Nutnfancy video and turn it into 15+mins of babbling with a 2min ad.
Nutnfancy 😂. Yeah dump a few mags through your Ar15 then reach up and grab a hold that barrel and say wassup. How many rounds can your run through an ar15 full auto before it melts vs a 22LR?
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Hey quick tip for precision, 22 precision ammo is usually subsonic because when the round goes from super back to sub it tends to start tubling. Eli or even cci somp ammo works great even at 150 or more yrds. I think i explained that good enough.
I’m gonna be real honest the violence of the impact of that 22 round on the soft armor, still scares me from being shot by one that’s one hell of a punch in the chest
It looked more violent than it would be if that soft armor was set up like you will wear it,,flat against your chest instead of being strung between 2 posts, with nothing but air behind it
CMMG .22 conversion for the AR works very well, is relatively cheap, and you dont need a whole new rifle. Heck, you could carry it with a mag and a 50rd box of .22 into the field with your main loadout.
I think PNW guerrilla has a video on it and it pretty much killed their gas system on their AR after a few thousand rounds. But they did say you might be able to mitigate that by sending a mag of full power 5.56 through the gun after a range day training with .22lr
@Kalbee this is correct, the fouling will clog your gas system and CMMG recommends shooting a handful of rounds of 556 after a couple hundred rounds of 22lr. You could also build a cheap, dedicated 22lr upper
I have the CMMG kit, 1500 rounds through it. The mags suck to load, like a lot. My extractor had the tooth chip off so my extraction occurs sometimes. The firing pin spring also broke on it. Honestly, it is not a good tool to teach you how to shoot it is extremely unreliable even before these issues. I have tried expensive CCI all the way yo cheap Aguilla and it gets catastrophic malfunctions every other mag. If I did it again I would buy a used dedicated .22 AR instead. I have not had issues with my gas system but concur that accuracy is nonexistent. Even so, rimfire is frustrating to shoot because every 10 rounds you get a dud, I think rimfire is outdated. Use a 380 to hunt rabbits and at least it will go bang every time. I would not recommend training with rimfire unless you are practicing clearing jams. .22 is very good at jamming any gun.
Good rundown. Thanks for not mentioning the moose your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate took down with a .22lr at 1,200 yards with iron sights. There are misconceptions on both sides of the aisle which is why I had to address it hyperbolically. .22lr has some very practical uses and I use mine for pest control almost daily. But when the perimeter alarm goes off in the middle of the night, it's definitely not what I am grabbing.
@@TheOVprodigyIt’s not impossible, of course. Even elephants have been brought down with .22. Bears are still living beings with organs and if those organs are perforated the being cannot sustain its biological processes. Where the problems comes in is that the parts of a bear where .22 can achieve sufficient penetration to perforate the organs are few. Also, the size of the perforation matters. A .22 sized hole in a bear’s lung will kill it, in a few minutes to a few hours. A 2 inch hole will kill it now. I wouldn’t want to use something for hunting or defense which isn’t likely to have an immediate effect, if it has one at all.
6:34 my buddy used to play "is this distracting". I'd walk into his house, he would blind me with whatever new light he bought and say "is this distracting?", and his wife would shake her head at us being idiots. Fun for all.
My wife hates the concussion caused by anything that isn’t a 22 or black powder. She’s also not exactly a very big person, and can’t really lug around a heavy gun. She doesn’t enjoy guns or shooting a whole lot, but she enjoys shooting with me, because I’m there, we’re having fun together, and I don’t make her shoot anything that makes her feel uncomfortable. She is comfortable shooting her 22s, and if the world goes to hell I’d rather have her help me with an M&P 15-22 she knows how to use than with a 556 or 308 she’s uncomfortable using.
@@SoldierDrew she might be ok with that, I’m not a fan of the caliber myself and think the armor arguments are mostly cope to justify the insane cost per round compared to 22 and 22 mag but with the cost coming down it’s something I’m willing to have her try.
@@scott_hunts Idk why everyone brings up armor when it comes to 5.7. MILITARY rounds, sure, can go through some serious armor with that caliber, but the general rounds you can get with a 5.7 aren't much different than a 5.56 when it comes to ballistics. Sure it's a pistol vs rifle round, but you might as well be firing a rifle round out of a pistol. That's pretty much what 5.7 is. Either way, point of the matter is, 5.7 is low recoil and high power like a 5.56.
I taught my wife on 22LR pistol and rifle and set them up like my 9mm and 5.56 pistols and rifles to help her transition. It's the best way to teach new shooters and build their confidence as they move to bigger calibers. Great round to stockpile for training, prepping, and last ditch home defense.
if you put a hole in someone, that should not be there, they will be out of the fight. A well-hidden man with a silenced .22lr in the woods is a scary thought.
I've shot 22s through bolt guns that are movie quiet. Sound of the hammer falling is the loudest part. 15 feet away in the woods is silent.@@graywind4326
"they will be out of the fight" A lot of soldiers who kept fighting past their wounds would beg to differ. Shrapnel and 30 cal rifles didn't always take people out of the fight, don't just count on your opponent being pathetic.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz shrapnel doesn't normally punch your leg with 120 ft lbs of energy I gurantee that is a dead leg or charlie horse your not shrugging off especially if you get 3 in the leg but ight iron man
If you got hit with a .22 in a hypothetical apocalyptic event. You're probably going to die of infection or lord knows what. Even if the guy survives the initial event. So it's definitely not to be underestimated.
Another great video guys. FYI subsonic 40~42 grain hollow point rounds are where it's at (With a suppressor) I don't even use supersonic rounds anymore. They tend to destabilize going transonic and "zip thru" small animals. The HPs actually expand and do better than round nose. My 15 year old 1022 with a Kidd barrel will shoot 1 MOA with CCI subsonic 40gr HP rounds.
In the book 1 Second After .22 lr was actually used as the common currency because it was so useful and abundant, but dwindled quickly. Those that had stock piled could then afford more 'Stuff', including more supplies for their families.
Used to be. Ray Brandes (Ray Vin was his company) made .22WMR AR uppers, but only a handful a year, until he retired and passed away a couple years ago. His family just got rid of all of his stuff, including his design plans. BCA started making a similar upper, but I've never tested it or compared it to Ray's upper.
I like when people argue that rimfire is prone to failures... which may be true... but then the memory of me as a 10 year old kicks in... covered in camo likes its the Ho Chi Min trail... as I roll over in my fox hole and whisper, "tell that to the 80 squirrels I that just took their last breath up on that hill."
Should have gotten your hands on a bull barrel 16" 1022 build on a chassis... Groups under 1/4" at 50 yards with any decent optic, go heavier say 40gr match grade, dial through available ammo to find the right load for your barrel... Night and day comparison to your results
I shot nra small bore with anschutz rifles. I don’t think any of these guntubers can actually shoot. Measure rim thickness on cheap bulk 22lr ammo and group by size. It will shrink your groups down to match ammo size. But when you switch groups of ammo rim thickness you will see your group shift slightly. Rim thickness affects headspace which having that be all over the place will kill your accuracy potential
I’m actually currently making a tactical 22 with a 10/22 charger. I fully agree, too many sleep on it considering that You can suppress it, put a buffer behind the bolt, and have a super quiet semi auto that’s perfect for 50-100 yard sniping
..... and those that missed it savage has a semi-auto that reaches back into the 30's or 40's at least, put a weaver on it and it will out shoot any Ruger with those short barrels. A Savage 26" barrel is a tack driver.
@@MrCobb-rq8iv the entire point is to have something small and compact. Also, a 26” barrel on a 22 is more accurate because it slows everything down to subsonic. After 18”, most .22 is done expanding effectively and your barrel actually causes it to slow down, so it’s only more accurate because you’re staying subsonic. It’s the same reason all .22 match ammo is subsonic, going transonic destabilizes the projectile. Which is to say, CCI standard velocity out of a 10” barrel gives you the same effect
@@AhHereWeGo Correct, stay subsonic. If you must exceed then HMR 17 is king. Better yet ten pumps on a 901 will keep you sub, deadly at 25 yds and under. Anyway thats what I read, I can't afford any gunz so I'm still pumping Daisy.
I'm sure most of those kills were headshots at close range against an unsuspecting victim: pistols also kill more people in the US than rifles but I'm not gonna use that fact to claim pistols are more lethal than rifles.
As a retired cop who started in the 60s I agree with the statement in that back then the most popular street guns were 22 and 25 pocket pistols with fatal shots being to the head or vital organ not counting multiple hits. But since the 80s street thugs have stepped up their game. But a survival 22 to take small game is good.
It's because there are so many .22s out there. Almost everyone has an old rifle their dad or grandfather handed down or that they bought themselves. The caliber is somewhere around 150 years old so a ton have been made.
The 22 can be found with muzzle velocities at 1650 fps. 500 rds is about 6lbs. Full auto, and as cover fire, they work well. Hollow points destroy tissue horribly. Any surgeon will tell you that! Maiming is great to reduce enemy numbers.
I agree that the .22 is overlooked often by the tactical community but I also feel like it's sometimes overrated by some people. You always hear about it being "the most lethal round ever" without citing anything other than anecdotes, and not understanding why it's so often used to kill people. There's a reason most people don't choose it often for self-defense, and why most militaries moved away from it in those instances of duty roles you mentioned.
During ww2 when uk was about the be invaded we set up the Auxiliaries. They were equipped with a host of weapons and a 22lr bolt action rifle for targets of interest. They were never needed actively thankfully.
As a life long small game hunter, 50 years, standard velocity 40 grain solids are my go to. Also headshots are always the best option and easily doable with a decent shooting rifle. One thing that I don’t see you mention is that the 22 with low recoil, low noise and cheap ammo cost is an excellent marksmanship trainer. Helps new shooters really hone their sight alignment, breathing and trigger control.
For marksmanship training I have mostly replaced 22 with GBB airsoft and lasers like the Coolfire. Shooting 22 at 200 yards as a long range simulator is still valid, although you have to reload your own 22 as match 22lr is not that great, and costs nearly the same price as reloading cast blackout.
I have a M&P 15-22 setup with exactly the same accessories I use on my 5.56 rifles and I also have a S&W 22 compact to pair with it that I use to train for cheap and it’s also my daughters SHTF setup and is super lightweight and she can carry a ton of ammo for them while acting as a supporting role for me and her mother and the rest of the adults with the full power guns! They will also be nice to have for hunting!
i once used to know a piliot and his go to gun when shot down was suppresed semiauto 22 dont remeber what pistol, basically for hunting and possibly siliently taking out a enemy who might be in the way from him escaping or about to find him, if shot down your in escape and evasion mode not looking for a firefight. Also i think that applies to a get home bugout situiation your not looking for a firefight just to getout of there so being silent and stealthy is key.
Honestly the M&P 1522 needs a shout-out. Light weight AR that's super reliable (for .22) and accepts AR parts. Love mine, never clean it and it runs like a champ.
I bought one used. Ran like dogshit ( I assume that's why thy 1st owner sold it). Quick Google search and 2 seconds worth of work and it runs like a sewing machine
I like this idea and have proposed it myself until I realized that 22LR mags are usually crap and expensive. I did have 2k in my bugout mag but only one mag 🤣
My daily carry. I live in a small mountain town surrounded by national Forest. Last thing I used it for was putting down a mulley somebody hit and just left there. Today, i took a hike with my boys and youngest girl. Having her strapped to my back made me a little less useful in a defense situation. We had one of those guys who was hiking down at the same time we were and kept stopping whenever we stopped to take a break. Throw a fit about defense all you want, but the 22 long rifle is more of a multi-purpose tool than any other caliber out there. Weirdly enough, I finished Hatchet with my oldest son yesterday in which the main character gets a hold of a survival rifle. Just a weird coincidence.
People underestimate 22LR a lot. Grandpas old 24in rifle loaded with CCI stingers puts out about as much energy as a 9mm shot from a handgun + it's a hollow point so terminalballistics aren't that much worse. Not to mention a good supressed rifle with some good ammo can reach out to 200m while being basically inaudible at that distance. The fudlore gives .22 a bad rep.
@zorgath420 stingers have 191ftlb of energy vs something like federal 9mm at ~350. You can typically reduce the numbers on the box by 30% when you shoot out of a pistol. Witch puts the federal at 230ftlb. Witch is not that far away from stingers 191ftlb.
Wow. The segment after the intro about how gun guys think about how many guns they need for each situation is so accurate. Currently eyeing up the new Bodyguard 2.0 for when I can’t do a traditional holster (3 piece suit with suspenders on Sundays)
.22lr Conversion kit for the AR-15 was the best investment I made. Its quiet. Mines really accurate.. (I have the Laser trained on the .22lr, and the Scope is trained on the 5.56.. and they stay accurate even when swapping back and forth). You can swap them in just a few seconds once you know what your doing and it saves a small fortune on the ammo price. Would recommend CMMG .22 kit 100%
The first gun I ever shot was my dads .22lr M1 carbine clone. It's a really cool gun. Waaaaaaaay back in the day a company in West Germany produced rifles that looked very similar to the M1 carbine but chambered in .22lr. The mags held 15 rounds which at that time was very unusual. The first gun I ever owned was a Marlin model 70 that I inherited from my poppy. I still have it and it still gets shot from time to time. My second gun was a Remington 870 express youth model chambered in 20gauge. It's still a very good shotgun imo. It's a super handy size since it's the youth model. Then...I went down the rabbit hole. Next gun was an AKM. Then a Glock 17. Then a bunch of AR15s, more Glocks, some Caniks, Sig, some more AKs, etc.
I feel ya, my first gun was a 2 gauge rem 870. I don’t shoot it much but hot dayum it’s a light handy and very maneuverable gun. I’ve honestly been considering moving that over as my home defense weapon as they just WORK and 20 gauge still isnt ANYTHING to shake a stick at in terms of the smack down it can dish out.
Now that you are thinking fud guns for the zombie apocalypse, try sniffing the 22 magnum. Ammo does cost more, but I have killed piles of gophers, coyotes, badgers, javelina, trash pandas, a skunk at 100 plus yards. It hits harder, further, and penetrates armour. Still not as loud as a 223. My get home bag has a marlin takedown 22 mag. Lite weight, not so scary looking, ammo is lite, so you can carry more. And it fits in a ukulele case. Grey man.
Accuracy testing with CCI Stingers are not the best way to test. Let me say this: Every 22lr weapon is very ammo specific. With blowback weapons the name of the game is balance and timing. CCI mini mag in a Ruger 10/22 or a Marlin 60 are amazing IF you balance the recoil spring with the round. It's not unlikly to get 1.5inch groups at 100 yards. Also, cheap weapons have places where the handle touches the barrel. If you float the barrel, then you make it more consistent which equals accurate. Then find which ammo run most consistent in your weapon and stick with it. 22lr can be finicky but with a few tweeks can be the most accurate thing you shoot inside of 100 yards.
I've never found stingers too very accurate at all however the CCI standard velocity runs almost as good as any match ammo in mine. It does around 1.5 moa 10 shot groups in mine
@brandonbowman5915 my 22 is just as picky as my airguns to get it group, had a random box of fiocci that stacked all rounds into a ragged hole at 50 yds and I can't find the ammo anymore
I happen to know a guy that owns three 22lr rifles. With the right ammo, it expands to almost 9mm. This guy also owns two 22 mags. Those rounds are quite impressive. Many different options and fairly cheap.
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Navy SEALS used .22lr pistols, in Viet Nam, and still use them for certain missions, and the Mossad has issued .22lr pistols to its operatives, for decades. Hitmen also love it. It doesn’t get nearly enough respect, from the general public, but the guys, and gals, that end people, professionally, know how good it is.
There is good reason why it’s not standard issue for anyone. If you do that type of missions, and you have that type of skill, sure it’s probably a great tool. Most peoples “missions” most peoples skillset, it’s a stupid idea to use that tool
The CZ457 Scout makes for a handy and small but very quiet tool that's pretty much ready to go right out of the box. Add a few parts and it gets better. Winchester also makes a budget friendlier option that does the same thing. 16 inch threaded barrel and bolt action that's short and pretty light.
I actually SBR’ed my scout down to 8 inches. Added a dead air mask as well. It’s my kindergartner’s favorite gun (yes, I did all that to get her a sweet lightweight rig to learn to shoot on).
I remember watching Josh and Drew on Instagram. Drew was plinking with a glock 19 in his back yard and Josh was still in Oregon carrying the MP Shield. How the boys grow.
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yeah I found that strange. I have a Marlin model 60 I had sighted for 120yds to nail coke cans pretty consistently. Can't recall the brand but I used copper 22lr bought at wally world with a cheap scope too. Still worked.
@francischambless5919 for me it likes the norma tac 22 (1083fps) and aguila super extra (1130 fps also called aguila standard). Ive tested 12 ammos including eley and it does best with the two cheaper ammos so win win. I may be cheating a little by using a 6-24 power arken scope but hey results are results
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I like .22LR as a cheaper alternative to 5.56 for doing drills were accuracy is a secondary factor - reloading, weapon transition, standing/kneeling/prone transition, etc. I train those things with 5.56 as well, but usually not in the same level of isolation that I do with .22LR (that means with more complicated drills).
You should talk with Dave Canterbury because he talks about this kind of thing for survival and SHTF. It would be better to have snares and nets than a .22lr and 4 different weapon systems. Food for thought.
I just, literally just built a supressed 10/22 build with a thermal, it is my new pride and joy and go to do it all weapon, so cool to see this vid, keep up the awesome content.
I have the same set up. ATN Thor 4 thermal, bull barrel with Dead Air can, Harris bipod on a Arch Angel stock and a Black Max trigger. I installed a good buffer which makes almost no sound when fired suppressed compared to the factory buffer I originally had in it. Super quiet and accurate with a stockpile of Norma Tac-22 40 grains. My pride and joy, as well.
In an alamo scenario defending the homestead, don't overlook the FIBSA factor you put on the marauders from multiple defenders throwing down heavy .22 fire from several semi autos. In Canada, for example, there's no limit on rimfire magazine capacity, and.22 is relatively dirt cheap, so you could call it the civilian version of suppressing fire.
Due to gun laws in many countries, the most common weapons for self-defense are .22, whether a firearm or an air rifle. In Patagonia, people hunt hogs with .22 or crossbows, while shotguns are more common for home defense.
I have a 17 caliber air rifle and a 22 caliber air rifle, both deliver plenty of energy to take on small game. But with 22lr, I can accurately reach out 150+ yards. With the air rifles, anything past 50-75 yards becomes dubious. The "bullet" drop is significant.
I love the GSG. The Government of Canada tried to ban It a year ago but failed. Lights, Mini Grip VFG and single point sling would be a good idea. I wouldn't admit what kinds of guns I might get in case the Glowies are listening.
Drew's breakdown of all the role-specific guns at the beginning hits home and is exactly why I love this channel so much. I feel like I have every base, short of Anti-Material, covered after a trim-down/modernizing/updating of my collection over the past few years. Even with distilling a 20-year collection down to the neighborhood of 20 new Purpose-built tools, I still had 3 22LRs make my final cut. A Henry with sentimental value, along with a Ruger Silent SR-ISB 10/22, and TBA Sicario Ruger 22/45 you could hunt squirrels in the suburbs with. I also have a 300BLK JTAC Elf Owl bolt-action pistol/CGS Hyperion combo that I could quietly take a deer with. Plus an extensive "End Of Times" set of Chaszel 12 gauge Caliber adapters that will let me shoot just about anything through my H&R Ultra Slug.
"aCtUaLlY!" 🤓 rifles are not made for killing things, the projectiles coming out of the barrel are; unless you are using simunition or other such analog.
@@williamle-ed2nk Rifles are made to propel an object in an accurate fashion in order to kill or destroy a target. Rifles and the projectiles they fire are made for killing things.
When I think of small caliber, quiet and light, I think of the MK22 “Hush Puppy” Snake uses in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. It’s a tranquilizer, but the character racks the slide to chamber a new round every time so he doesn’t create a sound signature by the slide recoiling. Since that game is about stealth.
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It would be interesting to see a video comparing a high powered varmint air rifle vs a .22. If we are talking economics between pellets vs bullets or even rifle prices and preservation of small game I think the air rifle would win out every time.
lol the ‘Palestinians’ are Arabs who conquered that area and took it from the native populations who scattered. The Spanish retook Andalusia after almost 800 years of occupation, the Jews are doing the same to their historical lands.
Was literally just thinking yesterday that a 22 rifle for food and ak or ar pistol for cover and run might actually be the most practical apocalypse choice unless you live in an open space.
The Ruger 10/22 Gatling gun conversion kits are pretty awesome, especially for suppressive fire at short range. You definitely need to keep some mags to keep them fed.
I got a Ruger 22 charger (pistol 10/22) with a raised red dot, super light 6"barrel, and a silencer. My kids love it and it's light enough for them to use for longer periods. I put a pad on the receiver for a cheek weld and it even works great for me.
25acp is also a super neat concept and the guns are microscopic in almost any shtf scenarios you can get close to anyone and seem like 0 threat and take any gun you need
VIDEO IDEA: shoot a suppressed vs unsuppressed weapon outside of a well insulated home, while keeping record of a decible gage from within the home. Now switch from handguns to rifles and so on.
I have been using CMMG’s conversion bolt carrier for about roughly just shy of two years averaging roughly 800 rounds of .22 per month out of my AR15’s. After getting out of the military i fell back on old military doctrine of using .22 for two reasons 1 i can still practice weapon drills .2 financially two range trips a week per month break down to $30 dollar gun club membership Roughly $60 bucks of .22 ( I use aquila … runs better than anything else i have tried)
We got assigned .22LR "Hush Puppies" in the FDF (i.e. Finnish Defense Force to the unaffiliated of you and no, they were not Nam era "hush puppy" pistols. We just called them that, m'kay?) for sentry and canine dispatching. Way better, faster, and cleaner than the good ol' Finnish "shanking" with the best blades on Earth. Quoting your senile "CIC", "LOOK... FAT! Every mission calls for a different tool." No offense, of course, as all of us try to rise from the grave at some point, and your vids are cool and please keep going!
pellet guns and airguns are also used to hunt small game. the advantage is you don't need powder so all you gotta do is figure out a way to make the pellets, much simpler.
Great job guys, very entertaining. I carried a Ruger 10/22, in my truck for years, not willing to risk one of the ARs in the turck. knowing a skilled person with a 22 is still very dangerous. Sadly not long ago I lost that rifle in a breakin of my truck. sad to lose her but happy it wasn't one of my 2k ARs. I'm replacing the 10/22 with a PC9 for my new cheaper truck gun.
One point to consider guys, if .22LR is all you have, or even a .410 shotgun, YOU LEARN PDQ to make it effective. Especially in a defensive role around the homestead. You adapt your tactics to match the ability of the gun you have. If .22 is all you have then PRACTICE, PLANNING and Preparation become very important. And experienced .22LR shooters usually learn to be VERY accurate.
