I’m 62 YO, so, take this as my long term perspective. The Apple vision pro is like the very first cellphone I ever saw. This thing was like a lunchbox with a telephone grip perched on top of it. The thing was bulky, expensive and barely worked. Fast forward 40 years, and I’ve literally got the world in my hand when I hold an iPhone. The AVP, or its successor, will someday be awesome, just not now.
Except unlike that cellphone you described, the VISION PRO works phenomenally well. Especially since I have been using it almost everyday for well over a month NOW. It is essentially like using an iPhone or iPad in three dimensional space instead of being limited by a two dimensional screen. You literally have to begin to think differently about how you interface with computing. Like the difference between interacting with a typical iMac versus the touchscreen of an iPad. A better analogy would be like that seen in Back to the Future when Marty takes that kids apple crate kick scooter and turns it into a skateboard. Or when he plays the guitar at the dance in a way the musicians of the 1950’s did not realize was possible… Few are pioneers, while most are tourists only after the they are shown the way... 🤔
Yep, every single review I've seen after someone's used it for like a week or two or a month is that it's amazing tech, but they are going to return it because they see no actual use for it. Just get a quest 3 for 500 bucks and have some actual fun. Because the whole virtual monitor thing still works on the quest 3. It's sharper and more usable than my valve index from what, 4 years ago? Pass through isn't completely perfect but you forget the glitches about it after a while. And it's a $500 device? Like, that's a 3rd the cost of a iPhone pro max?
I know right it's crazy how people think this is a logical progression. I'd be okay with it if they didn't have passthrough, cause then all the chronically online indoctrinated folks could just stay indoors outtta my life, but not this. This is just... well I have no idea how people think this isn't dystopian.
@@harryvuemedia5106 I agree, but at the same time just like the Wall-E movie; we like screens stuck on our faces. Next gen of population, will have these at cheaper prices with better hardware.
if you set expectations to "you'll wear this all day and be super productive", then you need amazing battery life and comfort at least. the quest is probably not as good in most respects, but it doesn't promise you a revolution... just games.
Apple is NOT looking to sell it to gamers. Gamers are fickle, and complain a lot. You can NEVER give a gamer what they want and they'll bad mouth you EVERY chance they get. So why would Apple want that bad press. Apple see's this as a computing platform, NOT a VR gaming platform. Not sure why all reviewers think the gaming thing is important. It's not. Buy something that's MADE for gaming. I get your points, but this whole thing is really beta testing with developers. I get it. I'm fine with it.
The only ones with the purchasing power to buy them are those over 30 to 40 years old and we are from an outdated generation to use this type of items.
I think one of the chief reasons behind so many people returning this headset is because a lot of them are want to be tech reviewers on RU-vid who get these products keep them for two weeks play around with them make videos and then send them back to Apple or wherever else They’ve purchased the items from. Anyone who’s going to purchase something like this should put some thought into it before they invest the money just about every tech review on here has got the device used it for two weeks and then returned it and then they’ve advised everyone not to buy it, Apple should change their return policy for the tech reviewers
Approximately 4K?😂😂😂😂 4k = 8 million mega pixels Apple Vision Pro = 28 million mega pixels No, it doesn’t need to be 8k. It’s already higher than 4k res.
Funny, returning it but encouraging Apple to stick to it. I would think the business model is not to continue working on "the most returned product" in company history. To return something because it bores you is not an honorable condition. If it works and it does what they told you it would do for the reasons you bought it, then you keep it. All you've done here is lose credibility. Me, it's a heavy price tag and so I wait for version 2 or 3 to make sure they get all the bugs out and build a bigger list of third party apps.
It seems like everyone's saying the same thing: Amazing product with amazing tech inside of it, but it needs a few more iterations/design changes before it sees mass adoption
Besides being possibly the worst photography channel on the Internet, shilling for countless overpriced products, you are basically telling a lie here. Turns out the Vision Pro's return rates are completely in line with all of apple's other products,. This is measured in the channel by experts.
Genuine question: is Fstopper an actual photographer? I ask because he has made certain head scratching comments that seem to give him away as an aspiring influencer merely positioning himself as a photographer. (e.g. mistakes on basic concepts in printing, editing, viewable resolution etc) This influencer culture is weird.
So far as I’m concerned, what’s wrong is there is only ONE dinosaur app. I need hundreds or thousands of immersive apps of equal quality. I don’t care about games! I want immersive experiences!!!!!!!! I kept my fully decked-out $5,500 Apple Vision Pro but I am holding my breath waiting for content to drop.
Consider this: when the dad taking video of the kids playing using the Vision Pro. The future reality could be that this dad would see their kids wearing another Vison Pro and enjoying the immersive contents and ignoring their dad.
Just give it time and they will have a chip to imbed in your brain that will create all of this crap without extraneous devices, and you will be in geek heaven.
Would this help someone that had a heart attack as her body functions' are good but cognitive, memorizing function or recognition learning. She needs to relearn whos who. Program family faces with names. Sort of flash card therapy reapportion.. ?
A lot of Personas don't look great, yours looks PERFECT, exactly like you. As for your brother's comment, lol. Ask him to show you consumer tech in 1990 that can scan your face in 30 seconds and create a virtual model of it that reacts to head and eye movement over a phone call.
Absolutely agree on curving the screen. Oculus does this and it works so much better. The good thing there's a number of things Apple can fix on the current version to make it much better.
Ok , as a 51 yr old man , raised in the early 1970’s Grew up in the 1980’s Became an adult in the 90’s I have to be honest, my era of growing up could only imagine or play make believe in order to experience what I’m experiencing with my AVP’s ( yes , APV’s. As in I own 2 APV’s) I feel sorry for you younger adults, 5-late 30’s you’ve been spoiled, I remember playing Checkers, tic tac toe , spades ♠️, it , marbles , etc etc just to have fun- I have no issues with the APV because I’m from the era before technology took over the planet 🌎!! Give apple a moment to figure it out , enjoy the moment VS crying like children!!!
Man you are killing me. First there was 3d tv and only Avatar, then the metaverse turned out to be Lego island, then nft turned out to be nfg, now apple vision pro is apple vision no. It's been the lost generation for tech. I too was super impressed by video games up to the PS3, and blue ray. After that there was no real jump, just little steps.
I think the bigger issue is that people are buying this like a toy, then trying to find something to make it entertaining or useful. Technology SHOULD be approached from the opposite perspective: what is the problem that this technology solves? There are plenty (and I really do mean PLENTY) of problems for which the Apple Vision Pro provides a potential solution (with the right software, of course). Ultimately, people are buying a tool as a toy then wondering why it gets boring quickly.
See, you gave one great example at 08:45... for photographers and videographers! Interference-free image monitoring is an absolutely perfect example real-world use-case for this product... and one for which I would personally love to use it. Having a supremely HDR and high-resolution preview (in my field of vision) while composing and taking shots... that would be an absolute dream, and since I already look super goofy on inline skates carrying multiple cameras around cities, one extra goofy device on my face wouldn't bother me at all.
I didn't experience some of the comfort issues mentioned by Lee with the Vision Pro, perhaps because I use a CPAP face mask for sleep or have a strong neck. I don't face eye strain or pixel visibility issues, as I've been wearing contacts and glasses for most of my life. However, we can collectively acknowledge that the Vision Pro is a stepping stone towards a better iteration. One significant reason for returns is social media influencers acquiring it for clout and then returning it. Apple's marketing strategy, emphasizing high prices and low inventory, targets early adopters, developers, and collectors.
The ski goggles experience you had reveals a lot about why the Apple Vision Pro isn't yet ready for the mainstream. Ski goggles, while "socially acceptable", are still ugly. But they're functional for the task at hand, protecting your eyes from the snowy elements. If we wore ski goggles on a train or jet, however, it'd still be weird. But on a ski slope, they're pretty much essential. The Apple Vision Pro is targeting itself as a mainstream computing device. But while there are some amazing moments to be had, there's little the AVP can do that can't be done more easily, inexpensively and conveniently with other things. It's not ready to replace a laptop, a smartphone, or a tablet. Doesn't mean it won't be in the future. It's just not now. People like to compare this to the iPhone saying the AVP is going to revolutionize everything. I think the better comparison is to the original 1984 Macintosh. It was a product full of wonderful "new" stuff that was also overpriced ($2499 in 1984 dollars) and not that useful at the time. It was, however, clearly a glimpse of the future that hindsight has proven true. But how many things had to be invented or improved before "the future" became our normal? Was the Macintosh essential in 1984? Nope. Not yet. Is the AVP essential now? Nope. Not yet.
1% "According to my inspection of the repair/refurbishment production line, the current return rate for Vision Pro is less than 1%, with no anomalies," Kuo said in his Medium post on Wednesday. "It is worth noting that 20-30% of the returns are due to users not knowing how to set up Vision Pro." Apple Vision Pro return rate - 1% - AppleInsider
I am surprised to see so many people return their Vision Pro for any new tech will have teething issues & in a couple of years this will be better than their competitors.
There is no data available to the public on the purchase to return ratio of the Vision Pro. To Say “So many people” are returning them is purely speculation at this point.
I was hoping for a review from a photographers point of view, editing in Lightroom mobile, etc. can you see it replacing iPad? As someone who edits everything on my iPad I’m hopeful the next gen will have major improvements.
What you are not taking into account: Humans are creatures, from nature. Every interaction, reaction and social engagement relies on natural mechanisms. One of them is looking into someone’s eyes and analyzing micro-movements of facial muscles etc. This device makes that impossible. Also regarding the snowboard goggles there’s something you didn’t mention: The right place & time! Wearing a motorbike helmet all day would also be ridiculous. Same for scuba diving suit, nothing at all etc. Entertaining video as always! Best wishes
I’m not sure if I’m correct but I think I heard the resolution of the 3-D video is 1080p and it has something to do with them splitting it between the two cameras that’s creating that effect.
Mmmh I’d love to know if trois were a regular user of other VR headset , because it seems your views seems to be highly biaised.. I don’t have Experienced the AVP but I’m a daily user of the Meta Quest headset and it’s true that you cannot do everything with only hand tracking . Sometimes your a re moefficent with controllers because your are facts at gestures and shortcuts and you can trigger actions somewhere you don’t look at. Depending on the App and what ‘I’m doing i change controllers, view modes and environments. And I love how meta evolved overtime (and I wasn’t an advocate at first )
The most honest review I've seen of this thing. Personally I probably would never even consider buying this. Not just because of the cost but I am not in the Apple ecosystem.
00:15 - "And this Has to be one of the most returned items in apple history"- Thus rendering the title as PURE Clickbait - there is no Data to back this up, this is just one mans opinion of what he thinks others are doing - just because he did it - which is VERY OFTEN how Fstoppers works - it either doesn't exist or its not PRO enough - until THEY use it everyday. Like - "No PRO Editors use Final Cut" or how they HATED MacOS vs. windows - until they used it.
I don't believe that wearing goggles like these all the time will be the future. If I'm wrong, that is going to have a profoundly isolating effect; much greater than the effects already visible through phone use. You can keep hyping this thing if you want, but I'm tired of hearing people push these products as if they are going to improve peoples lives. They won't.
Finally a Apple Vision Pro review I understand with pro's and cons that make sense. I hope you do the same with Gen2-3-4 so we know when it's actually time to buy it.
RU-vid is becoming unwatchable with how many ads they are shoving into a short period. They are going to ruin a great thing out of greed and need to make more and more money for share holders. I enjoyed his great review, but found myself wanting to end it early b/c of those ads that are disproportionately set for even short uploads.
It is a NEW thing. Well, almost. And because of that, people thing it is WEIRD! What defines weird anyway? I see things on the street that from my point of view are away away too crazy, and not quite sure why a guy wearing a peace of tech have to be classed as weird. I would imagine this is how people must have reacted to the first ever headsets? Anyway, not in a thousand years, not in a hundred years, not even in 10 years but in a few years I believe this will become pretty normal. Humans are very interesting creatures, they take a bit of time to adopt to new things.
If the price were $500, people wouldn't care returning it even if they weren't thrilled with it, but at $3500, yeah, I can understand why people would want their money back.
Ironically what feels premature are the opinion of those who think it is a premature release, especially from those with limited to ZERO experience with VISION PRO… We began saving for this device since it was announced last year during WWDC. It is by far the most revolutionary and enjoyable technology we have bought in years, If not decades. Everyday I use the VP it feels like a new adventure, as there are many things to discover and explore each time I use it. After a month of using VP it hardly feels cumbersome… I am NOT a typical gamer by any measure, and was NOT our primary motivation. VisionOS is basically an evolution of IOS/ iPadOS, it is essentially an advance iPad Pro with a whole new dynamic interface reimagined… TWO weeks is NOT enough… 🤔
Ski goggles are needed to not get snow in yours eyes when its snowing(and to protect from sun blindness but sun glasses can do that), it's not a crazy comparison but not exactly equal.
That's why I think this device is not 3500 US dollar worth. I just got the Meta quest 3 VR set for 7 times less the price to try everything out, and it works for me
F Stoppers clearly isn’t sponsored by Apple 😂😂 and leave it up to Lee to be just as straight forward about a product as he is in his Critique The Community series. I’ll always appreciate Lee for his honest, unfiltered take on something. Good job, Lee! I very much enjoyed this review!
I can see why Apples old lead designer (Ives) said he had doubts about Vision Pro and making a product that is to isolating. Those in the Apple world have been starved of most all VR/AR/XR development over the last 10 years so I can see why there is a lot of hype for their first really supported headset. When it comes to VR marketing people have always said "queezy is a hard sell". ;-)
Apple doesn’t yet know what this will become, similar to the first Watch and iPhone. -The Watch evolved with fitness and health. -iPhone transformed by the App Store.
If you're supposed to use it in everyday life, it's just too big. We need more virtual environment.... and then have apple be the Mercedes to surf it. Everyone doing their own thing isn't going to work.
I agree but I am keeping mine. I use it when I feel like it and I don't feel like I have to keep it on my face 24/7. I can't justify the price. It's just a neat gadget.
I have quest 2 with the elite strap, it is perfectly balanced, can have it on for hours no problems. Nothing can compete with Quest (I haven't tried Quest 3) as far as I am concerned unless they match the comfort both inside and outside. I don't want to talk to my devices or walk around looking like an idiot ever though.
The future isn't some obscuring, obnoxious headset that you wear for hours-long immersion. It's going to be something more like eye glasses or something see-through and holographic only to the wearer. Something that addresses a need, not just seems fun to use for awhile then collects dust. Do we really needs to multitask 10 things while we are away from our desk (or at it). They keep saying this tech just needs more time to bake, but tech companies have been trying to get mass adoption of AR/VR for 30 years. It's not going to be anything more than a niche thing for bros to talk about on review channels. We suffer from a failure of imagination, the next big thing will overcome why these headsets have yet to become mainstream.
3D VR video has been around for about A DECADE now and resolution of 7K to 8K per eye has been common for years. Oculus already did the dinosaur thing when it launched about that long ago too. And it doesn't take long for my Rift to get uncomfortable so I know no one is going to want to wear the Vision all day while they work then watch movies or TV with it in the evening. The use cases that Apple puts in their marketing are unrealistic to the point of being silly.
@@djstucOh my. Where to start? My first Mac was a Macintosh SE purchased from Ballard Computer in Seattle in 1990. I was using Mac while you were still in diapers. Most long-time Mac users (unless they are complete Apple pod-people) will have a love-hate relationship with that company.
So, this video and the title are based on a ASSUMPTION that this is the most returned Apple product? You know what they say about ASSUMPTIONS…. It says you are an ASS hunting for clicks.
Ah, yes. As soon as this came out I was expecting it to become the most bought-and-returned Apple product, simply because there isn’t yet enough to do, and no “killer app” that makes it worth the price. Apple must also have known this would be the case, so maybe some of that high price tag anticipates it. As a developer I considered investing in the Vision Pro, but it’s not clear that the marketplace for my app(s) would be large enough to justify the time and effort it will take to get skilled enough with Swift. And as a developer, I feel like there ought to be an inexpensive developer kit. Making the developer pay the same premium as the end user is not the way to get developers. When the price drops below $2000 then I’ll consider buying (and not returning) a Vision Pro. Meanwhile, if I do come up with some killer app idea, I’ll look at the Quest Pro to build and test the prototype, then rewrite and enhance it for the VP in the future.
I got a used PS4 with PSVR just before the pandemic and felt pretty much the same way when I tried virtual reality experiences for the first time. I was blown away despite seeing everything in lower resolution than regular viewing or gaming. While I still like it and have a collection of VR games, I haven't touched it for months
You know she could've done this bit with pants on. I don't understand why you used her like that, you can get more subscribers if you upload more and have interesting topics.
