The Motorsport Games TRAINWRECK: NASCAR Gaming Has Been DESTROYED 

Do you think we ever see a NASCAR game again from Motorsport Games?

You know it's bad when Nascar fans prefer a game made 20 years ago

Seeing how EA obtained the F1 and WRC license, I wouldn't be surprised if they're just waiting for Motorsports Games to collapse to also get the NASCAR and IndyCar license.

I've stuck to NR2003 because for the most part the physics still stands up well and it's basically an open sandbox they let's you do whatever you want

Monster Games needs to make nascar games again. Why, because they've done it before. They have Iracing backing. WoO game is fun.

I hope Ian Bell decides to make a game with stock cars in it.

Man, I remember getting Thunder 04 as a kid and being so excited about the future of Nascar games… disappointing isn’t even the word…

The Diary of Jane playing in the background brings back such good memories for me. NASCAR 07 was the first video game I ever played and still to this day believe it is the greatest racing game of all time. I just wish newer NASCAR games could be made just as good as 07, 06, Inside Line, 04, 05, etc.

And let’s not forget about the “clown show” of a Le Mans event they put on.

I didn’t buy NASCAR 21: Ignition because I wasn’t buying before reviews came out. I have to thank Motorsport Games tbh. They did save me money for groceries.

The failure of nascar games for the past decade is directly linked to the people in suits and ties not spending the money on a developer and publisher that’s worthy of someones time. I understand studios like codemasters are expensive but there’s a reason for it.. they make good games. If you want your game to be good you have to make the investment. Nascar is simply cheap. The same thing is happening with Konami right now. They announce a Silent Hill 2 remake and they get Bloober team to make it?!

Unfortunately, I think NASCAR is indeed screwed. Unless they come to their senses and pull out entirely, there really is nothing left to save NASCAR gaming other than iRacing, but then again, iRacing isn't getting off that easy as they have not made many smart decisions themselves.

And this is why the only motorsport game I play anymore is beamng, sure its not exactly setup for a ai racing but its a good quality game that has insane amounts of potential, especially with devs that actually care

What about the absolute sh*t show that was the virtual 24hrs of Le Mans that Motorsport Games hosted.

I really wish NASCAR would pull the license. A sign of "we don't do drama, and we don't do money hungry scumbags" I also wish we could get rid of exclusive deals. They aren't good for anyone. Look at the last time we had 3 game creators. We had dirt to Daytona, thunder series, and nr2003. 3 of the most favorable games in NASCAR history. We are literally a sport of competition, why can't our game creators compete to be the best instead of just handing someone all the money to be less than mediocre.

NASCAR Thunder 2004 was a near perfect NASCAR Game if any game developer had Thunder 2004 as the foundation with an updated driver roster in addition to Xfinity, Trucks, and either Modified or Late Models with fantasy tracks and a paint booth with the option to upload you're own logos like Grand Turismo it would be the most perfect absolute best NASCAR game ever made but motorsport games doesn't have the money or the testicular fortitude to do it.

4:55 Who do we ultimately blame? EA Sports. If they hadn't done the exclusive deal back in 2003, none of this happens.

I miss the days of having multiple developers make games for NASCAR

Nothing short of a full reverse engineering and update and remaster of Thunder 2004 can save NASCAR gaming now, and even then whoever develops it will probably find a way to blow it.

Honestly, it's not just NASCAR games. The sports genre as a whole peaked in 03-05 and has been on a downward trend ever since, to the point where you're just hoping that the newest version of your favorite sports game series is at least not a broken glitchy mess. I guess as a sports gamer, that's why I never truly moved on from the PS2/OG Xbox/GameCube generation. A lot of the best sports games came from that era. NASCAR Thunder 04, Madden 04, NHL 04, NBA Live 05, ESPN NFL 2K5, MVP Baseball 05, heck even SmackDown: Here Comes the Pain if you wanna add wrestling into the mix.

Weird Question that I'm not sure anyone can answer. Can NASCAR do anything legally to back out of the Motorsports contract and find someone else?? Maybe this is the next thing Dale Jr publicly bends the ear of NASCAR on? I definitely agree with your take on neglecting the Video Game takes a market of fans out of the equation. Fans that are willing to spend money on it. I absolutely LOVE driving NASCAR Paint Scheme Cars on other Driving games already and there's several to choose from (Both in Forza and GT) and I wanna drive them on NASCAR Tracks (Past and Present) and the fact that I can't drive Nashville Superspeedway unless I buy a crap game annoys the hell out of me.

In my opinion, NASCAR is to blame. They shouldn't have went with a Russian company that is being run by a con artist to make their games yet they did. NASCAR should have went with some other company that knows the motorsport and knows how to make a good racing game. NASCAR has screwed themselves and they'll eventually pay for it.

Although people are calling for EA, they’re not going to want to touch the NASCAR license again due to it not being profitable, especially after what msg did to it

I hope if those employees will release those leaks

Everything Motorsport Games touches turns to shit

After Le Mans Virtual suffered from clearly outdated security measures, completely neglected online servers, and clownshow officiating, I really don't know how they actually do move forward. Major brands in the racing world, as well as F1 driver Max Verstappen, basically dropped Motorsports Games and their scam artist bs last weekend bc of their utter failure as a racing game company

I miss the days when EA Sports did the NASCAR games. It was practically perfect back then.

I remember hearing the cancelation of NASCAR 22 and thought of it as a WWE 2K22 situation, where the devs would climb from the ashes of their previous title and come out with a comeback. But it seems that it's good as dead at this point

I think the best situation we could get out of this is Monster games/Iracing buying out the Motorsport games company. Monster takes over the nascar and indycar console games, while Iracing gets the Indy rights back

I have a retro gaming day twice a week, I've been playing nascar 07, it was my personal fav as a lass, really enjoying playing the career. It's sad 07 was part of the downward end of nascar gaming, but yet it's a masterpiece compared to modern day

I got NR2003, good game that's 20 years old and still very well alive.

Pretty sure Dmitri is just gonna hold the Nascar Licensing for ransom at this point

All I wanted was a rear view mirror, which is apparently a lot to ask for.

Would leaking the source code actually be such a bad thing? The community could make NASCAR 21 better, fixing every bug and making it even more mod-friendly than NR2003.

why are Russians making our American auto racing video games? pull the plug on this motorsport games BOONDOGGLE

NASCAR should've thrown Motorsports Games out of the window the minute they weren't going to make NASCAR 22

Here’s something I thought of that no one is talking about in this fiasco. How much did MSG spend on the soundtrack of NASCAR 21 Ignition? There are some big names in the sound track like Lynyrd Skynyrd, Aerosmith, and Imagine Dragons (as well as the songs wrote for the game). The rights to use those songs don’t come cheap and they probably ate up a good piece of the game’s budget. I wouldn’t be surprised if they spent more in the soundtrack than designing the game.

Is it sad that at this point I wish EA could somehow jump in and take over like they took over the F1 games? I mean come on, EA has F1 back, they just obtained the WRC rights and they'll be producing this years WRC title, why not let them fly in and take the rights to NASCAR back and hell grab IndyCar while they're at it. There's gotta be a better developer out there who can handle these franchises better.

Welp sadly the EA thing isn't gonna happen. EA themselves have even said Nascar as a license now has no value. That means if MSG folds the rights are gonna default back to Monster Games/iRacing

NASCAR Heat Ultimate Edition+ will forever be the only MG product ever released without problems. Truly a testament to how horrible they've been at literally every single thing they've touched or bought. It's almost award worthy.

Stupid question: is the fact they sponsor the 78 why BJ McCleod is so inexplicably good in the games?

Monster Games is the future of NASCAR games and we need to root for Motorsport Games' failure to speed up getting to that point.

Seems that sports gaming everywhere is in a bad spot right now. Haven’t heard of anything great from the last few Madden’s and it seems 2k has lost its shine. I think the upcoming NCAA release can either make or break EA. Maybe gets them back in a decent spot. Wouldn’t mind seeing EA take it back if they can get everything straightened out. Would be interested to see what 2k could put out. Best thing possible though would be to see iRacing come out with a console release, but that won’t happen.

This is 110% on the fans who pushed 704 out the door.

We need a game from IRacing

I just want them to pull the license let ea give it to codemasters and they'll make the best nascar game since nascar 15 even if we gotta put up with nascar life buying podium passes every few months I'll take that over this bs

Ps2 games>>>modern

Heck, it's happening to rfactor2, especially with the Le Mans 24 hours Virtual that just recently finished. It made sim racing look like a joke. Had like 2 red flags in a couple hours because of the entire server going down. They went on a new server and they consider those random disconnects to be "unlucky" and wouldn't give laps back. And apparently Romain Grosjean works for MSG and tried comparing them to real life mechanical failures (weird how HIS TEAM benefitted from said dc's and won it). To say MSG is poorly run is somehow an understatement, and I think they're the modern day LJN. (Un)Luckily, Verstappen competed in it and put them on full blast

EA SPORTS didn't DARE to treat NASCAR like this. Yeah, they removed a lot of features from 2004 to 2009 (PS2 editions of their games), but their games WORKED as intended nearly every time! Their PC games (eg: NASCAR SimRacing) weren't as high quality as their PS2 games, but even with NSR being an obvious beta, that's far better than what I've seen from clips of Motorsport Games' products. I want EA SPORTS back!

Well with the Virtual Lemans 24 Hour Race being a Total Disaster and When a 2 Time World Champion Confesses They are done

I really wish there was a decent current NASCAR game

Would love to see Bugbear and HandyGames get into the NASCAR gaming scene. Seeing the NASCAR styled racing that people are putting together on Wreckfest has been great! If not them, Turn 10 and the Forza/NASCAR stuff has always been great as well. However, I have absolutely no confidence in anything that is currently being done with NASCAR gaming except maybe iRacing but, I still don't see iRacing being as accessible, especially with the casual gaming community which helps to bring new fans to the sport.

Give the franchise to codemasters

I think NASCAR needs to give two different companies the rights to make NASCAR games, and those companies will compete to make the game people want to buy. As long as there are two different companies no one can be complacent and just make a not good game.

Ask NFL fans how Madden has been since they became the solo rights owner

I can't understand why Codemasters never picked up the contract. That would've been too good for the Nascar community Iguess.

Just close doors so Indycar can get sim racing and an actual game

Why no mention of the 24hrs of LeMans Virtual?

Unfortunately, I don't think that this will be the end of MS. I am kinda hoping that it would be (does that make me a bad person?) because this is just such a mess that honestly NASCAR should step in and do SOMETHING with the license. MS to me is almost like Frank Gallagher from Shameless, they will pull out some kind of greasy-ass way to kick out of all the BS at 2 and 9/10's (wrestling terminology) and continue to exist somehow some way. I also kinda hope the source codes DO get released. Again, am I a bad person? I'm almost rooting for the chaos at this point because of how bad this is. Also, because I am almost sure that there are PLENTY of talented modders and coders that will nab them up and might actually make something halfway decent. Or they may not. Who knows, but at this point I'm willing to have them try anyways. To add, I don't want EA back. Just look at how they took the F1 game that Codemasters did so amazing with, and turned it into everything else they make; A shallow, "focus on anything but the racing aspect" f**king money pit. I hate to admit that with all I complained about with the NASCAR Heat titles from 2016-2020, NASCAR Heat 5 is actually a playable, serviceable game and I'd rather play that than Ignition. Hell, I'd rather play NASCAR 06 (my most hated NASCAR game along side Evolution) than Ignition. My hopes are honestly to see NASCAR pull the license from MS and have other developers make a game. I don't want an "exclusive" license either, just make it so other developers can make something. I don't exactly wish for those people at MS to lose their jobs and have to find a way to feed their family and keep a roof over their head, but I so badly want that company to tank. With all the crap that has been going on with them, that is probably the easier way out of all this anyways. I just want to go back to a time when NASCAR games got released for consoles that not just played well, but were extremely immersive and truly drew me in to wanting to be involved with the sport that I watched every Sunday. Is that so f**king hard to ask for? The past nearly decade now has been absolutely abysmal. Just one damn game that plays well enough for me to genuinely want to keep picking up the controller and play it. That's all lol

I really want NASCAR Gaming to be the same, playable on Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo, and PC. P.S. I like the NASCAR Heat 2, Heat 3, Heat 4, Heat 5, Heat Ultimate Edition Plus, NASCAR Rivals, NASCAR Thunder Games, NASCAR 99, NASCAR 2000, NASCAR 2001, NASCAR Unleashed, and NASCAR Heat.

This is why NASCAR Racing 2003 Season is still alive. Your only other options are iRacing and... this crap. 💁‍♂ And plenty of people don't want to touch iRacing for reasons ranging from financial, to the fact that you don't OWN any of what you pay for, to the way iRacing treated the NR2003 community when they were still vaporware called FIRST.

Honestly they should shut it down at this point

NASCAR Gaming went down the tube when EA got their exclusive rights to it, basically shutting out Papyrus.

I don’t understand. I feel like it’s a fairly accurate representation of modern NASCAR.

Add to this the Virtual Le Mans debacle. Motorsport Games won an exclusive deal with Le Mans, ending iRacing's version of the Virtual Le Mans 24, and starting their own on rFactor 2 (which they own), and due to shitty servers (Shills hide behind the DDOS excuse, but a DDOS can be defended against, as many companies do) almost everyone ended up disconnecting at some point. And notably Max Verstappen, the Formula 1 world champion quit. Saying he struggled to even call it an event, saying that it was a "Clownshow." He continued on to say that he won't ever participate again on this platform. Say what you want about his attitude, but I am glad such a massive voice is speaking against motorsport games. Because honestly all of us won't hurt a company with words. Max going viral with a valid criticism of their platform? Might at least make motorsport games look bad.

Played it and I have way to many problems playing it then enjoy playing it even Nascar Heat 3, 4, and 5 are much better by 704, I have to say Ignition 21 isnt all bad but it's a 3/10 for me and I got none of those paint schemes and extras, I can see where they going but didnt do well but that's my opinion on it

NASCAR did the same thing to Papyrus in 2004, signing an EA exclusive. It's horrible for fans. Is ironic that iRacing was built upon the Papyrus computer code.

NASCAR 07 was my introduction to NASCAR console games and let me tell you, it’s terribly frustrating and sad the trajectory the sport has gone when it comes to console gaming. Jumped ship after Heat 2, returned Heat Evolution the same day I purchased it due to that game being unplayable to me. But, compared to Ignition, Heat Evolution actually was somewhat playable! Unless if NASCAR bites the bullet and goes with a reputable developer, NASCAR console gaming is dead.

I’m honestly so glad I was never interested in NASCAR games beyond, like, NASCAR 2011. I’ve since had titles like Gran Turismo, Forza, Assetto Corsa and BeamNG to satisfy my racing game itch from then on. Can’t imagine how heartbroken and depressed I’d be now if I was desperate to play something NASCAR related and the expensive iRacing was my only viable option that actually worked.

The development of better consoles, better graphics, and powerful processing power will be the downfall of video games. The days of a group of friends designing and releasing an entire game from their basement is over. It's just too expensive, and too technically demanding. Because of this, the quality of games that are anything short of Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft exclusives are going to fade into obscurity. NR2003 turned 20 last year. TWENTY. It'll be of legal age to drink come FEBRUARY. And that game is still arguably superior to anything we've gotten on console in the last 15 years. Absolutely pathetic.

If NASCAR doesn't pull the license from MSG immediately, NASCAR Console Gaming is pretty much dead. That's the reality we have to face.

If you read this Ice leave me a 🏁 So... My opinion (and I know everyone has similar thoughts ) Personally I believe that they should just release the Rights Back to Monster games, with the influence of iRacing in the World of Outlaws the Game, and Steve Myers & Dale Jr. Even "Hinted" to making or release a Modern Dirt to DAYTONA and/or Nr2003 (Nr2023) .. And with the World of outlaws game having so much success and in my league we've had zero issues since drop .. I personally would love a combination of world of Outlaws to Super Late Models (asphalt) to Acra,trucks, Xfinity, cup and I also personally would Love all oval track vehicles on iRacing (from 80s cars to current) would be great game mode for both offline and online called Retro mode to not only allow NASCAR lifelong fans old cars to have Nostalgia but also to teach young fans of each Generation of the Stock car. I agree 100% with I became a fan of NASCAR because of NASCAR '98 flirting with disaster is my childhood 🤣.. So I believe Monster and iRacing should have the License, if they don't then I pray someone takes it to heart to give the fans something to compete with PC gaming, regardless of the difference in the platforms, some of us can't afford to Buy all the luxury to do iRacing. Regardless of what others say it's still expensive for us paycheck to paycheck people. Thanks for reading Ice, Love your channel

Honestly, I'd pay good money to see a Codemasters NASCAR game. Maybe something akin to the F1 games.

Call me old...call me old school...NASCAR Thunder 2003 is still MY favorite game. I know most like '04. Either way, BOTH of those games are STILL LIGHT YEARS better than modern games....

When it comes to the paying of employees, MSG is an American publicly traded company which means under “law” right now, they can’t send or receive money from Russia. All transactions are blocked by the Government. So I don’t see what they can do about that. I don’t personally understand why anyone outside the US is actually working on NASCAR games anyway tbh.

Someone quote me on this there will be no excelent NASCAR game until passing 2031

This company will die. Because management doesn't build anything, the programmers do. And there's ALWAYS jobs for programmers. I guarantee everyone with any meaningful skills are already looking for a new job. And good luck hiring when you have a track record of not paying your employees. This is just more proof that the country club class are mostly a bunch of clowns. The company dies and the C suite will go on about their life without any consequences or changes to their lifestyle. The normal employees this will deal with this financial pain for years. Ask yourself how you'd do without 3 months of pay from your job?

I’m kinda lost on why NASCAR’s screwed on this. Maybe it’s not wise to assume their counsel(s) drew up contracts without options to reneg or walk away for poor performance, but maybe it is?

After what EA did to my favorite game, Star Wars Battlefront II, Im very sure I don't want EA to get the exclusive license

Its sad that Forza Motorsport 7 is a better nascar console game than the official nascar game. It’s been a total joke. I wish T10 studios can pick up the Nascar License.

NASCAR should invest time in the team management side of their games. Let you build a team with more than 1 car and driver per race. It's been years.... There is no way they can't do it. They just won't.

I maybe wong. Did motor sports games already brake the contract with nascar? For me the nascar was the not what I was interested in WEC indycar. but I saw the righting on the wall vary early. I've one more thing say it's not just company in gaming. but all have problems like this

Motorsport games are so has licencing for the British Touring Cars too. Well not as big as the games mentioned. It still being outside of America I guess

Why does the exclusive license have an effect on Indycar and not NASCAR? Iracing holds official NASCAR events, with MSG getting the Indycar license, whats stopping them, different agreement terms?

Nascar should just buy out their exclusivity contract at this point. 2 years in, and the company has had several doomsday moments. Either cut their losses and find an actual good developer that's been around and is proven, or get rid of exclusivity all together and just hand put licences so we can have that 2002 like era where multiple games had to really put out good products to compete.

Whoever keeps investing in this company must have a lot of cash to burn because they don't seem to want to stop keeping this company afloat..

You know this has also been a game of horseshoes and hand grenades, on the IndyCar side when, not only have not released a game in over 20 years, but alienate a very large portion of their fanbase by cutting off iRacing almost completely. As for the NASCAR side of things, I don't know what else to say other than, people are just going to stop playing the games that have been released, until something gets done..... which is going to have to cost more than an arm and a leg in order to happen, in my personal opinion

Honestly it seems like they have a ton of ambition and nobody to lead. It sounds like they need to have scrum Masters and a load of goals to drive the development. To me it just sounds like there's nobody leading over and that's the problem. These people should be on top of their projects but they're not. I'm a scrum master in need of a job and quite frankly it may be an undertaking and they are an undisciplined bunch but it's not out of the question with decent leadership to get these products out. I don't know how many Sprint's it would take to get these products out but I would think it could be done in a relatively short amount of time. It sounds like they really need to just build one framework and just start adding DLC.

Nascar needs to step up and cut the cord on Motorsport Games. I think if they were to have signed with Codemasters or 2K Sports to take the license then things would be better, especially Codemasters

Sadly, current EA would actually make a decent NASCAR game. It might be pumped full of microtransactions, but it would at least be functional

Console nascar games, including off the wall games like NASCAR rumble, are the main reason I stayed into nascar. NASCAR keeps doing a bunch of dumb shit to draw in younger fans, but literally the number one way to draw in younger fans is gaming and they're blowing it. Then you get the ass clowns that say "Just play Iracing" as if thats a realistic option for everyone due to its abhorrent pricing model (honestly its something I'd expect from someone like EA) and the complete lack of career mode which is what the majority of console players want. Give me a NASCAR with F1 games Coop career mode and I'd play that shit so much I'd probably need to replace my wheel base from wear and tear within a year lol.

The sad thing about this game is the ontrack racing isn't bad but all the glitches and issues. The lack of a rear view camera everywhere you look this game has problems.

I have a good feeling that Forza Motorsport 8 has the opportunity to capitalize on all of this and be a great racing game for everybody

I guess it’s safe to say that NASCAR 21: Ignition killed the NASCAR game franchise.

Nascar thunder 2003 and 2004 are the best ea nascar games. I loved both of them.

I had a lot of fun with NASCAR HEAT 5, even though it's unprofessional to use the controller on Switch. Really worried about the future of IndyCar and NASCAR games because it's so easy to attract new and young fans. I'm that person who was interested in FE and NASCAR in mobile games and switched to watching real races.

I have lost all hope with Nascar console gaming. I’ve recently been introduced to NR2003 and have had a BLAST and when I had internet at the time was getting into AI season races with I Racing. Though a bit more expensive I enjoyed it severely. Motorsport Games is a joke and will continue to make a joke of themselves going forward. I don’t see them releasing any competent product anytime soon. I’ll gladly keep my money.

I was going to say “at least it’s not as bad the latest drag racing game”, then I saw Joey Logano clip through the ground…

This is why I stick to iRacing for the most part. If I want to play a NASCAR console game, I'll play the EA sports games.

Motorsport games could just be what happens when you bring a dozen juvenile apes and a couple of insane masochists into a game development studio, hand them all rubber mallets and trust that they won’t break anything. Then you come back to find the studio in shambles, faeces everywhere, and a pile of human fingers under a shrine dedicated to the owner’s self proclaimed gods. And you claim that everything at your company is working as intended.