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Well not exactly it was much later at the classic Greece that these tales were written but they talked about the past.

@@Ups_downs_life_funny Oh yes, I know that. However the composition of the tales are much older.

@@jangofett6022 True

@@jangofett6022 Sure they did, mostly the greek bards kept alive this tales.

@Giovanni Balbosa-Mc Intosh but it's Heracles, Kevin Sorbo notwithstanding.

Achilles is replaced by his son Neoptolemus or Pyrrhus

Some of the information + the visually inaccurate depictions…(bit like making Jesus a blonde….😅, we don’t know what they looked like…)

Both names are correct in the Greek language.Ulysses in the Aiolian dialect and Odysseus in the Dorian and Ionian dialects.

I persoanlly think Ulysses sounds better than Odysseus.

@@rennor3498 indeed, but then again I’m biased because I’m American, first person I think of when I hear the name Ulysses is general Grant of the civil war.

​@@rennor3498the native language influence what we consider to "sound better". I think most spanish people prefer Odysseus/odiseo than ulysses, a regular name in spanish speaking countries

And 2017's Troy: The Odyssey is one of the greatest parodies ever made!😂

Hate to be that guy, but as someone who studies and watch both, there extremely inaccurate

Troy is an entertaining movie, and is only based off of the events in the Trojan War... It's very inaccurate in comparison to the works from the Epic Cycle

@@aristeia3703 What are the inaccurate stuff in the movie? I'd like to know, because I plan to make a game with Mycenaean setting

@@musson1235 Is the set or the plot inaccurate? I have very little knowledge about Mycenaean myths

Achilles son’s name was actually Neoptolemos. Pyrrhus was a nickname.

@@georgekaragiannakis6637I Thought it was the other way around, Neoptolemos meant New Warrior, Pyrrhus was his name?

Wat?

Yes. If you read Iliad ,Homer calls Paris with the name Paris-Alexandros and basically Alexandros

I wonder if he was real. if he really existed. Maybe he was just a really strong dude.

@@burtan2000 well these stories mix real events and fiction. We know some characters like Poseidon and Athena are fictional but many of the kings and warriors in the story were believed to be real historical figures by the people who told those stories originally. There is no way to say one way or the other but it’s entirely possible a few of them were based on actual people. Since this is a legend not a myth it was generally believed to have actually occurred by ancient Greeks a good example would be Alexander the Great.

I second this. Even as an American White guy, I'd be interested in learning about Indian history and mythology.

@Giovanni Balbosa-Mc Intosh I know it brother. I just tell that for their understanding. 🙂

@Giovanni Balbosa-Mc Intosh you're right. It's completely true. Which is why I was struck down for my heresy.

Yeah achilles was already dead

The Trojan Horse was probably not an actual wooden horse: It could have been an earthquake or a ship (ship is most likely).

@@Wasserkaktus or a later invention entirely, since the Iliad doesn't mention it, or there really was a wooden horse

@@histguy101 A literal wooden horse would be very illogical in the Bronze Age world (Mounted cavalry was almost non-existent, and chariots were the norm.): A ship sounds a whole lot more logical than an actual wooden horse. Homer's work is both fiction combined with non-fiction: He was actually quite accurate on a lot of the armor/weapons the Greeks had (bronze weapons, wild boar armor) at that time, but there were also some notable anachromisms as well (Achilles cremating Patroclus is one of these; the Mycenean Greeks never cremated their dead like the Classical Greeks did, and instead almost always buried them.). With this knowledge, plus the fact that Troy was probably a signficant Luwian trade city, a "Trojan Horse" being a ship that was secretly loaded with Greek soldiers makes a lot more sense.

@@Wasserkaktus Homer mentions cities that did not exist at the time, but archeology finds them for the Bronze Age

Hercules is two generations before the Trojan War

@@panagiotis7946 lol I know. I'm not saying that he was in Trojan war I'm saying that he laid the seed of war with his sacking of Troy under king Laomedon, father of king Priam.

@@panagiotis7946 Troy was attacked many times by the Greeks, going back as far as 250 years before the Trojan War. Heracles attacked it once, but would have been an old man if he was still alive when it started

Menelaus grandfather died and he went to the funeral and Paris took his girl and robbed his treasury

which Hesione? He married her and had children Aiades and Teucros. He had also died in Troy. The myth is clear, the abduction of the Beautiful Helen as a divine plan.

They were Pelasgian-Illyrian none any "Greek" that time

Whatever helps you sleep at night

@@guritarasi8732 Ιf you don't know anything about history, you better not comment.. Pelasgian = Dorians, Ionians, Aeolian, Achaeans Τhey were Greek tribes in that period before nominal Greece existed.. we open the books, we don't look at them!

So a hill with extra steps 😂

Hmm. Similar to a longbarrow. Interestingly the mediteranean is the only place in the world that seems to have come up with same type of home building as early celts. Wonder if the Sardinians learned this from early myceneans or minoans

Probably you wouldn’t made a day there 😂

Spartans had a harsh society though. You probably wouldn't want that as you're used to a totally different kind of life.

You dont know what you wish for.

@@zlatni_orao kakve veze imaju srbi sa ilirima?

@@MrRONMIS Sve veze, ne samo Srbi već Crnogorci, Bosanci, Hrvati.. Slovenska invazija Balkana je laž .

LoL TROJANS were not GEY greeks

Are you serious? Cousins?! Who taught you that? Hollywood??

@@Moon-zq7jt they both have Egina as a blood relative so that makes them blood relatives second degree cousins if I’m not mistaken

@@Moon-zq7jt Achille è figlio di Peleo, figlio di Èaco, figlio di Egina e Giove; Patroclo è figlio di Menèzio, figlio della stessa Egina ed Àttore. I don’t feel like translating but this is the family tree

In realtà Omero non ha mai specificato alcun tipo di parentela fra i due, cosa strana dato che ha sempre riportato le ipotetiche parentele del resto dei personaggi, e allora avrebbe dovuto farlo anche in questo caso. Comunque proprio per il fatto che Omero non riporta nulla, non si tratta di fonti accertate, in quanto sono interpretazioni e possibili collegamenti di civiltà successive, quindi non si può sapere con certezza. Patroclo era molto probabilmente anche l’amante di Achille e il fatto di essere ipoteticamente parenti non centrava nulla, in quanto all’epoca una parentela lontana come la loro non era assolutamente considerata incesto, anzi era piuttosto comune all’epoca sposarsi anche fra cugini (pensa a Zeus ed Era che erano letteralmente fratelli😳)

@@giorgiofelice2928 Non proprio. La parentela/cuginanza di Achille e Patroclo è un’aggiunta posteriore, (una delle tante e la più confusionaria e non attendibile, ci sono persino post interpretazioni che dichiarano Patroclo fosse suo zio.. quindi bisogna decidersi ahaha ) mai accertata o assodata dall’autore del poema, ovvero Omero. Omero nell’Iliade mai accenna o conferma questa presunta parentela (strano, tutte le altre parentele degli altri personaggi dell’opera è esplicito e il loro no, strana scelta stilistica e letteraria, mai una volta in uno dei canti dell’Iliade, Achille chiama Patroclo “mio cugino” mio devoto cugino o figlio di Menezio, fratello di Peleo, mai scritte queste cose nell’Iliade),per questo nei secoli il rapporto tra Achille e Patroclo è stato interpretato come molto intimo, grande amicizia e compagni d’arme e soprattutto, amanti (pederastia). Achille ha un solo cugino, accertato nell’Iliade e anche nei testi, interpretazioni successive: Aiace, figlio di Telamone che è il fratello del padre di Achille e re di Ftia, Peleo (entrambi i fratelli presero parte alla spedizione verso la Colchide alla ricerca del Vello d’oro insieme a Giasone e gli altri eroi, salpando con la nave Argo, i cosidetti Argonauti). Perché Omero accenna a tutti i tipi di Parentela (sia essi fratelli, sorelle, cugini o cugine, zii e via dicendo), mentre per Achille e Patroclo mai? Semplice, perché non lo erano, o al massimo alla lontana (2,3 grado dato che a quei tempi chi lo sa, e la madre di Patroclo e la sua relazione con la famiglia di Achille è ignota e ambigua). In conclusione ha più senso definirli due uomini uniti da una grande amicizia e affetto e forse anche amore cameratesco e molto intimo (amanti). Infatti già dai tempi di Platone, Socrate, Eschilo, pseudo Apollodoro, Plutarco e via dicendo, fin dai tempi più contemporanei, ancora si definisce così il loro rapporto.

Actually this is bronze age Greece. Then we had the Greek dark ages , the archaic period , the classic period , the Hellenistic era etc. Greetings my friend. Take care in this strange covid days.

Oh no they were lovers, Illiad made that very clear

@@scarlettgarner3568 love in greek has two different meanings. (έρωτας = sexually loving someone & αγάπη = family love/sympathy/affection). Homer never said they were erotically loving each other.

Lover in ancient Greek means comrade, bodyguard, war companion

They were clearly lovers, but you are correct in that it was Odysseus nuthatch built he horse

U mean the dude on the thumbnail?

Hercules ?

​@@RicardoPerez-rz8pu Heracles is the original name. Hercules is the Roman version but is often used for the greek version by hollywood for some reason

The Egyptians were the source they had the records of Atlantis and they said the Hellenes saved the whole Mediterranean from the Atlantean or Cro magnon invasion

Yes man because they worshipped greek gods, they had greek names, they spoke the greek language. Also ,the fact that Paris and Hector were Menelaus' guests is another proof that they were Greeks ,because the value of hospitality of Greek at these times were shared only by Greeks to Greeks.

@@nikoskagioulis6459 The natives from Asia Minor are Luwians and other populations and not Greeks. Paris and Hector are fictional characters. Achaeans have some territories and interests in this region, but not necessarily Troy, which was an ally of the Hitites.

@@tudorm6838 . There are three saved scripts of three ancient historians,who are Strabo , Apollodorus and Dionysius of Halicarnassus. Apollodorus and Dionysius of Halicarnassus revealed that Trojans first king (Dardanos) and people were from Arcadia. They migrated to Troy and first inhabited the region with another greek king named Teucrus ,because of a disaster at Arcadia. On the other hand, Strabo disclose that Trojans derived from Crete. These scripts are the oldest sources who proves the greek origins of Troy.

@@tudorm6838 In addition, you cannot prove that Paris and Hector are fictional characters

@@nikoskagioulis6459 They live hundrend of years later. They are not reliable surses, but just starting points for further investigations.

That's pretty debatable given an entire city in Crete was destroyed overnight in a volcanic eruption. There is a bit of evidence that the story is drawn from that, especially since early Mycenaean culture was greatly influenced by Minoans.

@@Ian-yf7uf What evidence? In Plato's time they didn't have the benefit of modern Archaeological and historical methodology, we know far more about their history than they ever did. The Eruption of Mount Etna on Sicily in 396BC is a far more likely influence for Plato considering that it happened during his lifetime rather than an unknown eruption that took place over 1,200 years before he was born that they had no record of in either mythology or otherwise.

They were all Pelasgian-Illyrian Hesiode book "Cosmo Genesis" and "Five Generations": Titanes=Gold Atlantes=Gigantes-Silver Pelasgian=Smartest-Bronze Illyrians=Heroes Albanians=Humans All this names meaning in Albanian language just one word:"Illuminate"

@@guritarasi8732 🤡🤡🤡🤡bruh

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Spartans were descendants of the Dorians the group that ended Mycenaean reign.

@@GothPaoki well they considered themselves as descendents of Hercules

@@thecommentator7017 that's the mythological aspect can't prove that with dna yet xd.

@@GothPaoki well atleast they are cool

Little written ? Weren't Thales and Pythagoras from that period ? Amongst other things.

1200 BC to 850 BC is the Dark Age where little is written is more closely related. 850-480 is literally the most predominant period in Greek History

Not exactly. The kinship of Achilles and Patroclus is a post interpretation (one of the many and the most confusing and unreliable! That is, there are even those historian post interpretation said that Patroclus was his uncle , so decide guys, cousin or uncle?)never established by the author of the poem, Homer. Homer in the Iliad never mentions or confirms this alleged relationship (strange, all the other kinship of the protagonists of the poem are explicit and their not, strange stylistic and literary choice. In the Iliad Achilles never called or name Patroclus like “my cousin”), for this reason over the centuries the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus has been interpreted as very intimate, great friendship and comrades in arms and above all, lovers (Greek’s pederasty). Achilles has only one cousin, ascertained in the Iliad: Ajax, son of Telamon who is the brother of Achilles' father and king of Phtia, Peleus (both brothers took part in the expedition to Colchis with Jason and other heroes, others, they were called Argonauts). Why does Homer refer to all kinds of kinship (be they brothers, sisters, cousins ​​or cousins, uncles and so on), while for Achilles and Patroclus never established that? Simple, because they weren't, or at most distantly (2/3 degree since in those days who knows, and Patroclus's mother and her relationship with Achilles' family is unknown and ambiguous). In conclusion, it makes more sense to define them as two men united by a great friendship and affection and perhaps also comradely and very intimate love (lovers). Even in the Ancient times declare that they’re friendship and relationship was intense and pure, strong bond and pederastic (lover) relationship, like Plato, Socrates, Aeschylus, Pseudo Apollodoro, and also since the most contemporary times, their relationship is still defined in this way.

We have an actual suit of Mycenaean armor along with a helmet, they did look like tin cans

@@scarlettgarner3568 true the armor is like an early set of knight armor but more tub can looking like you say especially the collar or gorgon or whatever. Which that is my favorite part about it

@@DirtCobaine Yeah it's pretty cool looking armour - much different than the armour of classical greece

They were limited by the technology of the time. Armor craft would become more advanced in the centuries ahead.

@@alethiosoratos5455 have you seen Mycenaean armor?

😂😂😂🤣🤣 اليونانيين لصوص حضارة حتى أنهم سرقوا الأبجدية من الفينيقيين.

Cousin? Dude stop watching Brad Pitt

@@scarlettgarner3568 You should open a book before speaking

@@diperdik5969 I have, many. Ignoring the fact they were myths and not real people, they were also very clearly lovers - you're insecurities don't change that.

@@scarlettgarner3568 insecurities? Have you ever read Homer? And myth? You are probably biased and I don't intend to persuade you

Myceneans barely got steppe ancestry, they were indo-europeanized anatolian farmers

I've always been baffled by the second point. Several artist portray ancient greeks like if they came from Babylon or Arabia... like, why?

@@mercianthane2503 Yes that's a common thing that artists do, especially for the ancient Greeks of the Bronze Age. Somehow these 'artists' think that just because all the other great civilizations of the Bronze Age (Egyptians, Babylonians, Summerians etc.) were Middle Eastern in origin and thus brownish, the Minoans and the Mycineans had to be too. That wasn't the case though. The people who later called themselves Greeks probably came from the Caucasus region, as most Europeans did as well. The Greeks have inhabited the area that we know today as Greece at least since 3.000 BC.

@@billaros1338 I agree. I mean, Achilles was blonde, which means this hair color was quite common in the northern regions of Mycenaean Greece. Olive skin is acceptable, since you do find greek people with that skin color, and a few are very tanned, but not everyone.

@@mercianthane2503 I wouldn't say common it was mostly rare that's why it was kinda idolised

Although they were most likely greeks it can't be considered civil war as they were deferent states.

True. But Trojans were undoubtedly a greek tribe such as the tribes of Asian minor, Mycenaeans,Cretans etc.

@@nikoskagioulis6459 In mythology yes, in real life they were more likely luwians or hittite vassals

Mythology is based on true events. All the regions of Asian minor and Bosporus were inhabited by Greeks. Furthermore , Trojans spoke greek language,they had greek names and worshipped greek gods. Also, the fact that Hector and Paris were Menelaus' guests proves that they were Greeks,because the value of hospitality in Ancient Greece were only shared by Greeks to Greeks.

@@nikoskagioulis6459 Sorry but thats not true. Yes, greeks settled in ionia, but this happened mostly 400 years after the mycenean age, except Miletus. And greeks traded with egyptians, minoans, hittites, mesoptamians and so on, the hittite king refered to the greek king as an eaual

Not exactly. The kinship of Achilles and Patroclus is a post interpretation (one of the many and the most confusing and unreliable! That is, there are even those historian post interpretation said that Patroclus was his uncle , so decide guys, cousin or uncle?)never established by the author of the poem, Homer. Homer in the Iliad never mentions or confirms this alleged relationship (strange, all the other kinship of the protagonists of the poem are explicit and their not, strange stylistic and literary choice. In the Iliad Achilles never called or name Patroclus like “my cousin”), for this reason over the centuries the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus has been interpreted as very intimate, great friendship and comrades in arms and above all, lovers (Greek’s pederasty). Achilles has only one cousin, ascertained in the Iliad: Ajax, son of Telamon who is the brother of Achilles' father and king of Phtia, Peleus (both brothers took part in the expedition to Colchis with Jason and other heroes, others, they were called Argonauts). Why does Homer refer to all kinds of kinship (be they brothers, sisters, cousins ​​or cousins, uncles and so on), while for Achilles and Patroclus never established that? Simple, because they weren't, or at most distantly (2/3 degree since in those days who knows, and Patroclus's mother and her relationship with Achilles' family is unknown and ambiguous). In conclusion, it makes more sense to define them as two men united by a great friendship and affection and perhaps also comradely and very intimate love (lovers). If you don’t believe me and think that they were lover is “new” , check some books, the times of Plato, Socrates, Aeschylus and so on, in the Ancient Greek and Roman they were defined as lover or intimate friends (strong and pure bond) and also since the most contemporary times, their relationship is still defined in this way.

Actual Iliad doesn't have torjan horse or Achilles dying by an arrow to his heel.

@@siddarth3955 The Odyssey has Achilles’ Funeral. That I remember. I don’t think Homer gives the exact reason why Troy fell, or how. Most of what we know (or consider) comes from the Roman portion known as the Aeneid. The Trojan Horse or Metaphorical for Greeks sneaking into the city one way or the other. And it’s just referred to as a Trojan Horse

Research definitley needs more effort

In the mythology they were also half brothers because of Zeus being both of their dads

Agammemnon=A g(j)am me mnon= =Pelasgian-Albanian

Ε και τι τώρα, θα κλάψεις?

Albanians have big fantasies