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The Mysterious Desert Rectangle that Defies Explanation!  

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@nateraff8708
@nateraff8708 10 месяцев назад
I've been to this site and puzzled over its origins too. A couple things i have found out in my research, up until the early 1900s there was a large lake on both sides of the sandstone ridge that the ruin is located on. You. An see some of the lake sediment layers in the drone shots. Also, the first white men in this area were with the Hole in the Rock Expedition, in 1879 i believe, and in their journals they mention finding a "fortress" on a ridge near the lake. There are ruins, rock art, and cowboy graffiti in alcoves nearby. The black rock is present in a layer several miles east, and another large ruin is built of it too, a lot closer to the source of the rock.
@chiphazzard8173
@chiphazzard8173 10 месяцев назад
Wow awesome, thanks for sharing.
@ZacCrosby
@ZacCrosby 10 месяцев назад
This is the trail of information to follow! I just did some research to verify some claims. This canyon was Lake Pagahrit that was formed by a large sand dam that washed away in 1915. The ruins you went to were just a short distance away from the natural dam. It's also where the Hole In The Rock expedition crossed the lake, so they likely walked near this ruin.
@ZacCrosby
@ZacCrosby 10 месяцев назад
I make wooden 3D carved maps and was already knee deep in topographic maps and elevation data so it was an easy find once I found the original comment.
@NK-iv1ik
@NK-iv1ik 10 месяцев назад
To the place surrounded by water, the materials could be brought by boats, the wooden posts (of those round holes remains) would be part of some king of lifting mechanism to bring the stones up to the top.
@pacman8226
@pacman8226 10 месяцев назад
What really puzzles me is the lack of debris inside the main walls. If that was natural deterioration then at least part of the debris would be inside. It almost looks cleaned out.
@dianadekin2135
@dianadekin2135 10 месяцев назад
I am too old to do this type of exploration so having you do this and then posting so I can see it is so wonderful. Thank you so much for your efforts and for sharing. This means the world to me!!
@PineappleSoysauce
@PineappleSoysauce 10 месяцев назад
I just came across this channel and feel about the same! I'm in my 20s, but physically incapable of doing things like this, but this was so fun to watch. :)
@hilbillie
@hilbillie 10 месяцев назад
I'm with you on that. Very fun to explore but sometimes it is impossible ...
@davidklein1667
@davidklein1667 5 месяцев назад
I'm 70 and I feel you sir!! To busy with work and kids back in the day. Now I have the time....divorced and kids grown.....but times been harsh on my legs.... I wanted to Thank You also!!!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤😮
@SeMoArtifactAdventures
@SeMoArtifactAdventures 10 месяцев назад
Man that was definitely an arrowhead you were holding towards the end. It had the tip broke off and part of the base. You could easily look that point up and determine what time period that area was being used. That’s was definitely a strange spot.
@snowmiaow
@snowmiaow 10 месяцев назад
Thought the same
@fyisense9312
@fyisense9312 10 месяцев назад
@@snowmiaow same
@robotpizza
@robotpizza 10 месяцев назад
I was wondering how close it was to those "cow" bones he found.
@fyisense9312
@fyisense9312 10 месяцев назад
It had the Clovis base which is very hard to achieve with "hammer" cleaving. I've never seen it done but I was told that they heated the near finished tool in coals and used a piece of round grass to drop water on the tool they were creating to "chip" it into the finished shape.
@Bardmusic66
@Bardmusic66 10 месяцев назад
@@fyisense9312there’s a guy that demonstrates making Clovis points by hand on RU-vid
@MimikaHaru
@MimikaHaru 8 месяцев назад
This might be a long stretch, but those holes in the ground can be for support pillars for a walking deck to the cliffside for easy access for water or a way to get up there.
@AngHemenway
@AngHemenway 4 месяца назад
This has to be one of the most interesting channels on RU-vid! Glad I found ya!!
@jamesinoregon1081
@jamesinoregon1081 10 месяцев назад
Starting at 6:07 it appears that those well stacked walls are a recent attempt at a rebuild. Where as the original walls are several feet outside of the new walls displaying typical entropy and decay in a chaotic fashion. The floor area between those new walls is basically broom swept which seems to support the idea that those new walls were an attempt at a rebuild and there is no mortar between the stones of the theoretical new wall. Just a thought. Thank you so much for sharing your videos
@fergalohearga9594
@fergalohearga9594 10 месяцев назад
My thoughts exactly
@Zero.0ne.
@Zero.0ne. 10 месяцев назад
To me, this is the most plausible explanation in the comments.
@1mmickk
@1mmickk 10 месяцев назад
Yes someone has reconstructed it recently as can be seen by the lack of weathering on the top layer and edges of all the newly stacked stones.
@robertrosicki9290
@robertrosicki9290 10 месяцев назад
Your comment gets my vote . Two separate builds . The first ( outer ) much older and decayed and the second (inner) an abandoned tidy second attempt .
@polarguyinak1
@polarguyinak1 10 месяцев назад
I was going to add that the rebuild would likely have been halted when the water went away. No sense building a structure to defend water that's no longer there.
@THELASTJENNY
@THELASTJENNY 10 месяцев назад
Another great adventure. Thank you for what you do. I am always intrigued by what you present. May I politely request you make your videos a little longer? I always wish they were longer. I promise you, NO ONE will get bored.
@sallyquinn9087
@sallyquinn9087 9 месяцев назад
Wow what a great sight! I was going to comment on the holes, and I’m glad I read the other comments because they covered what the holes could be. This is such a great forum for people interested in the ancient native ruins, and what great minds it attracts! Thanks to all for your input, and thanks Jeff for bringing us all this delicious discovery and discussion ❤
@MariBuilt
@MariBuilt 9 месяцев назад
Perfect word for it ~ forum. What a pleasure this intelligent back-and-forth is
@K1PPAH
@K1PPAH 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for being a content creator with actual substance on this platform, I enjoy watching your adventures❤
@andrewl6899
@andrewl6899 9 месяцев назад
I was an anthropologist and studied a lot of places on Navajo Nation. I saw forts like this around southern Utah, New Mexico and parts of Colorado. The Navajo built rock forts as lookouts when they were at war with the Ute tribe incase the Utes pushed into the Navajo territory.
@TheTrekPlanner
@TheTrekPlanner 8 месяцев назад
Do you know what time frame that would have been?
@granddad-mv5ef
@granddad-mv5ef 10 месяцев назад
I may be the lone dissenter; my feeling (and that's all it is) is there are TWO sites there. I get a sense of antiquity with the outer, "dirty" walls. And far less so from the inner "box" structure. The holes, at least in the video, appear to be circular.And, as you said, not steps. At least for us. I agree this place is a mystery, and possibly a continuing one. Thank you for bringing it to us!
@TheTrekPlanner
@TheTrekPlanner 10 месяцев назад
It does indeed appear to be two sites! That's something I wouldn't have considered until I saw your comment. The holes are intriguing! I'm still trying to figure out the purpose of those things
@SteveDallimore
@SteveDallimore 10 месяцев назад
I believe Europeans built the rectangular walls, using a technique called dry stone walling, re-using the larger rocks from an older structure. Both would have been used for the same purpose, for both observation and defense. The round holes are for posts, the highest one being the deepest, possibly as an anchor point for a rope.
@CHDean
@CHDean 10 месяцев назад
Circular holes…difficult to create w/o modern tools?
@1000YearHomes
@1000YearHomes 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the adventures and for being so respectful. It would be fun for you to do interviews with Ancestral Pueblo knowledge keepers.
@jmcboo0208
@jmcboo0208 24 дня назад
Exactly! I have suggested this on other great channels. It would sometimes be nice to have others join in the adventure, like an archaeologist, a historian, a member of a tribe that used to live in the area in ancient times, even a college student working on their doctorate or something. And sometimes a geologist might be good since there are so many fascinating formations in these videos. I'm not saying Jeff isn't enough, lol, just that he might occasionally find someone who would like to come along and provide an additional point of view.
@S-Jq8ob
@S-Jq8ob 3 месяца назад
Hey, Jeff, I totally love your treks! The reasons why the ancient cliff dwellers did many things the way they did, may always be shrouded in mystery, since we can't ask them and this one is even more puzzling, than most! At first, one might think it was a building or fort, but that seems unlikely. I like to solve puzzles and this one is a challenge! After trying to come up with anything logical, I had to assume what it was built for had to be of great importance or help to them. If not for a dwelling, then I looked at the whole picture, especially with help of the 3-D, and actually came to a conclusion! My hypothesis is that it is a man-made waterfall! Of course, the stone rectangle wouldn't hold water, but it could have been built to hold SNOW and when it melted as the weather warmed, direct it down the sides flowing over the cliff edge making water accessible at the bottom. Look closely at the direction the rivulets would have gone, and the made-made holes placed down the side look intentionally deeper on the top sides, keeping the flows going down the natural cuts in the stone to one hole after another, as they are not in a straight line, but seem designed to use the natural crevices to flow from one to the next, so it would come out at the edge as a single water fall instead of the water just trickling down in different spots as it fell below! Please let me know if you agree.
@MetalDetectingOutWest
@MetalDetectingOutWest 10 месяцев назад
I mentioned a few weeks back you need an ebike, good to see you have one, saves you so much time. I have the Volcon Grunt fat tire electric bike, that gets me into places my truck will not. I also carry a DJI Enterprise Thermal drone in locating caves/ mines. Also a metal detector in my hiking backpack, never leave home without them !!! :) I have thousands of Archaeological Surveys from my area. You need to friend an archaeologist, who can access the state archaelogical surveys for that area/ utah, ect. You will be able to learn so much more about the sites you visit. Unfortunately the state museums will not just let anyone access these files. Great video keep em coming...
@gordslater
@gordslater 10 месяцев назад
One things that comes to mind is the neat wall is covered from view by the mounds of dirt and random rocks. So it could have been left like that as disguise from a distance, epecially when viewed from a lower elevation. Definitely, the "random" stones appear to have been sorted in some places the way a professional drystone waller (if that's a word used in the US?) would sort them for use. I wonder if the holes are post hole footings for lever poles used to haul sacks or baskets of rock and earth up. Basically, a tall pole has a long rope attached to it near halfway up at the 3 or 4 foot height.The post is pulled uphill at the top and the theoretical maximum 2:1 mechanical advantage aids hauling the sack/basket up the cliff face. The rope is then lashed to the next pole while the first pole is held in uphill position, and the next pole is pulled uphill. Using 6 feet long poles, the load would be moved a maximum 6 feet, though in reality, the poles are used at no more than vertical and pulled uphill to around 30 degrees using bodyweight, gaining only about 2 feet of haul per movement. But the mechanical advantage, which is probably more like 1.5:1 at best, can be useful.
@dannybrowning7676
@dannybrowning7676 10 месяцев назад
I think the building was used for a vantage point. It could be that the buildings length was so that a person could walk from end to end viewing, the waterways on both ends in search of game without being seen.
@WormholeNavigator
@WormholeNavigator 10 месяцев назад
I have an anthropology degree. At first I thought this was a trap or corral. Now I think it was never finished. The piles are definitely separated from the walls making me believe that they are materials piles with room left to work. Something as simple as a 1 summer drought could cause them to bail on this spot. To me it looks unfinished and unused. The holes appear to pe post holes for something. Maybe a railing
@kanamichelle7404
@kanamichelle7404 10 месяцев назад
At first I thought a corral for livestock too, but there is no food for animals there so they would have had to haul food to them every day, so I discarded that theory.
@justbob2133
@justbob2133 10 месяцев назад
​@@kanamichelle7404Possibly a prison-like structure to control captured enemies? Jeff did say there's only 1 way up to the top...that would make it easy to control access to and from.
@pizzafrenzyman
@pizzafrenzyman 10 месяцев назад
@@justbob2133 2 foot walls isn't going to hold any human nor animal.
@pizzafrenzyman
@pizzafrenzyman 10 месяцев назад
Consider that someone excavated it, stole the artifacts, attempted to restore it, then quit.
@abelincoln5000
@abelincoln5000 10 месяцев назад
I was thinking the same exact things: Broom-swept, railings, re-built walls!
@sake343
@sake343 3 месяца назад
Very cool area, thanks for sharing. Those holes are odd.
@TheTrekPlanner
@TheTrekPlanner 3 месяца назад
Yeah the holes are still a puzzle
@WasatchWill
@WasatchWill 10 месяцев назад
Years ago I mapped out a detailed route retracing the Hole in the Rock expedition route to hike myself from Dance Hall Rock to the fort in Bluff where the members of that party settled, including pack-rafting across Lake Powell at the actual Hole in the Rock site and staying true to the original route as much as possible. I haven't yet done it because the logistics between a shuttle from one end to the other and staging a couple caches along the way is going to be quite a chore. I figure I could do it in 10 days if no setbacks, but would still probably take 2 full weeks of work off just in case. Anyways...I had marked this site out on my route as something to check out on on my way because I too was very curious about it. Just goes to show if you wait on something like that and don't act sooner, someone else will stumble upon it and publish something about it. Anyway, given the history of the site, I assumed it was some sort of structure erected by the pioneers who camped out right along that spot for a number of days to rest and recover from their trek to that point given the oasis that spot had provided so I figured it may have been erected from sort of livestock purpose. Or, if the foundation of it was already there from a prior indigenous group for some other purpose, maybe the walls were rebuilt a bit by some of the pioneers as a way to kill some time while camped out there. I don't know. I kind of regret not making that trek happen last fall. Lake Powell was at an all time low level which would have made paddling across it much easier and faster and I'm thinking I might have been able to see Register Rock where some of the pioneers etched their names into a rock face across the river from the Hole in the Rock. It is usually submerged under water by Lake Powell when it is at average levels.
@jeanf8998
@jeanf8998 9 месяцев назад
You will still do it!
@gino0009
@gino0009 10 месяцев назад
You are doing great work to record the mysteries of the U.S. and the natives cultures that they don’t even remember. Thank you good sir!
@melodymonger
@melodymonger 10 месяцев назад
Truly amazing video, what a location. That stratified sandstone is so beautiful and the rectangular structure on the summit is just magical. I suspect that's part of the reason it was constructed there. I used to visit Neolithic stone circles in the UK when I lived there and you could feel the magic of those locations too. Thanks for taking us along for the adventure Jeff 😊
@trinidadscorpion3835
@trinidadscorpion3835 10 месяцев назад
Did you have time to explore the canyons around the area, either on foot or drone? That may help answer your questions.
@StevenShelley-m6s
@StevenShelley-m6s 5 месяцев назад
Jeff You got that right that was a "petrified" sand dune.
@lordkrythic6246
@lordkrythic6246 2 месяца назад
I'll petrify your sand dune.
@Dee-c1e
@Dee-c1e 3 месяца назад
Thank you for posting this. Love the content 👍👍👍🙏🙏, stay safe.
@TheTrekPlanner
@TheTrekPlanner 3 месяца назад
Thank you!
@cheryldueck318
@cheryldueck318 10 месяцев назад
I always look forward to your videos each week! This one was interesting as always, but my favourite part was the drone footage of the whole area. How striking to have those gorgeous gorges on either side and this neat structure centred between them. The mix of close up and birds-eye-view (and now 3D!), really give a sense of place. You have definitely made me interested in an area of the world that was never much on my radar before. Thank you for all of the above! From a neighbour to the north 🇨🇦
@TheTrekPlanner
@TheTrekPlanner 10 месяцев назад
Thank you so much!! 🙂 It was a lot of fun to just see this area and explore it with the drone!
@Khankhankhan420
@Khankhankhan420 10 месяцев назад
Those holes are for wooden posts
@SamwiseOutdoors
@SamwiseOutdoors 10 месяцев назад
I wonder if the prevailing winds are largely responsible for how clean the interior of that structure is. Like it's basically a canal for faster-moving air currents that help push the dust and grit off of that rock face.
@eugenewall6620
@eugenewall6620 10 месяцев назад
The holes look like post holes. The reason they stop at the cliff edge is because there was a palisade built to stop people from going around. The other explanation could be that it was used for housing animals and the holes were part of a fence to keep animals from going further out on the point, or maybe they were on the point, and the fencing kept the livestock from escaping. The point of land could have been an effective pen for livestock if the structure blocked it.
@Vangent87
@Vangent87 9 месяцев назад
That was 100% an arrowhead, those looked like holes for a fence post and would make sense if that’s the only side you can come up and why it ended at the cliffs edge. This was most likely an observation post for the army and an overnight stop for traveling troops which happened a lot back in the 1800s for them to feed and water themselves and their horses and gave a safe place to sleep.
@panchopapi
@panchopapi Месяц назад
First thing that occured to me was that those holes in the rock were for posts & rails to keep flock from running off ridge.
@oldtop4682
@oldtop4682 10 месяцев назад
Near the end there you did find a point (arrowhead). The holes are almost positively post holes, and given that they are pretty much in line that would indicate a fence type structure with the cliff forming a natural barrier. I'm kinda leaning toward this being an animal enclosure, but it could serve multiple purposes. As for age, the only clue is the black stone that comes from a fair distance away. More modern ranchers and shepherds aren't likely to carry stone that far to build something like this. That points to an older construction with some importance tied to the black stone. Someone below mentioned that this might be an observatory. That could account for those post holes, but they are in a fairly straight line, so you are looking at one date. If you have enough GPS data you may want to see how the posts line up with a celestial map. The center being cleaned off is interesting. This site was probably looted.
@jjames6990
@jjames6990 10 месяцев назад
I would love to see a couple longer, "directors cut", videos. I'm sure there's a lot of dead space and silence during some of that time but dang man I just want to keep exploring with your vids. I keep shouting at you to go around a corner or turn around some times haha.
@angelinajardean6484
@angelinajardean6484 10 месяцев назад
I totally agree…!!
@jmcboo0208
@jmcboo0208 24 дня назад
Yeah, I was shouting at him, too, to fly the drone higher above to see what is around the area! Like, if it is a barrier/defensive position, then there may be a flat area nearby where a group of people lived and were protected by those at the structure (and where you might fine pottery, evidence of fire, like soot-covered rock walls, etc.).
@VermontScaleCustoms
@VermontScaleCustoms 10 месяцев назад
My guess is that the structure existed long before and someone attempted to recreate it. The stacked rocks look like they were assembled in a little more modern way than the previous ones. I assume the holes would be for fence posts. Honestly, this could easily be a settlement that was rebuilt by the Spaniards in their quest for silver. They may have the technological means of the time to bore perfect holes for posts and had more modern design techniques for stacking rocks. I don't doubt for a second that a structure existed there beforehand but I think what you see is a recreation of what was once there. Perhaps someone lived out there for a while and attempted to rebuild it? What a great mystery! It leaves just as much question as it does visible evidence of different eras of occupancy. Also, that was most definitely the base of an arrowhead. So, you found at least one artifact.
@joycewinegarner9786
@joycewinegarner9786 10 месяцев назад
I was thinking that maybe some of the sedimentary rock the holes are in merry have weathered and made the holes more shallow??? No clue if there would have been time to weather away very far... very curious indeed!
@kayhansen9229
@kayhansen9229 10 месяцев назад
Could a lake like that really have had fish in it if it had fish I would say yeah someplace to dry the fish. The arrowhead was really tiny like what you might stab a fish with. Black rocks brought by boat maybe? Edgar Cayce always says that the plateau was inhabited when the rest of America was underwater. Thousands of years ago. Post holes would have been muddy sticking posts in mud. Maybe?
@loa81
@loa81 4 месяца назад
I have been enjoying your adventures for a while now. The questions and curiosity you share with us , my imagination! The holes that lead to the cluff edge from the 'fort' look like post holes. I'm not an archeologist, but enjoy observing and musing on these mysteries. This is the second time I've watched this one. Here's a couple of my ideas about their existence. First, I'm thinking of a way to transport materials for building and supply for the place. From the cliff, the heavy rocks could be lifted by pulling and anchoring the ropes for the lift of water from the lakes that are now gone. A pallet lift for the rocks for the building? Maybe rafting across the lake and then a kid of pulley lift for people or animals? The black or basalt rocks you said seemed to be on one side of the structure may have been concentrated there for passive solar absorption in Winter. 'On the left side' did not give us a direction to really know. They also may have been chosen to offer shadow in camouflage to avoid skylining the structure for secluding more? I wonder if the structure was a storage or drying building? It would help to know the orientation of it all. Oh, well, thanks for the fun again! Keep on Trekking!
@Lou.B
@Lou.B 10 месяцев назад
Another great adventure! A few questions/observations: What was the compass orientation of the rectangle? (If E/W, the function may have been ceremonial, as opposed to a fort.) What were the round holes filled with, or were they simply dug to different depths, and did you notice any relationship between the size/angle/depth of the holes as they moved toward the cliff edge? It's a wild guess but perhaps they were scaffolding supports for hauling up the building rocks to the top of the cliff, from the construction 'staging area' at the bottom of the cliff?
@jmcboo0208
@jmcboo0208 24 дня назад
Lou.B, I understand why people are saying the holes may have held posts to help with hauling rocks to the top of the cliff, but what would they use for rope? Are there plants in the area (or were there plants in the area when there was more water) that could be woven into ropes? Maybe
@FairyFrequency
@FairyFrequency 10 месяцев назад
What a unique site! Thank you for taking us on another wonderful adventure. The row of holes cut into the stone is truly fascinating. We have found similar holes cut into limestone here in woodland of Missouri. They kind of look like core samples drill holes. As always sending lots of love and warm greetings.
@katesutton1476
@katesutton1476 5 месяцев назад
Great explore. Looks defensive to me is my only guess. Great drone footage. Much luv Carry on
@anyascelticcreations
@anyascelticcreations 10 месяцев назад
I noticed the cleared center, too. And a small line just outside the wall, too. And there was something odd looking about it. Like it was recent or something. No morter was used. Yet the stones in the wall are still mostly horizontal. The stones in the pile surrounding the walls had that same look to them. They weren't horizontal. But they were still mostly lined up with each other, as if they had been put there in modern times. I don't think they fell from the wall. I think they were either put there to build up the surrounding area or they were brought as building materials for the wall, but no one ever finished the build.
@MegaCharger9
@MegaCharger9 10 месяцев назад
It could have be a couple of things. Long house? Defensive point? Or possible a pen? The round holes could have been made to put wooden posts into. Did the round holes extend down the other side of the structure? Did you find any other structures or ruins in the two canyons?
@Adanjud
@Adanjud 10 месяцев назад
Hi. I was going to mention the same idea that I found yours! I agree!
@mbp7539
@mbp7539 10 месяцев назад
It's white people, nothing says indigenous here.
@TheTrekPlanner
@TheTrekPlanner 10 месяцев назад
Hi! The holes just went down the east side of the rectangle. Nothing was on the west besides some stones that have tumbled down. I explored several caves in the area but didn't see any structures. I may have to go back because it's a fun area!
@DLPape
@DLPape 10 месяцев назад
The only thing that makes sense is an animal enclosure. They wouldn't likely stay in it like domesticated livestock, but ran up in it during the hunt, the holes or steps being so far apart indicates a running step. As you stated, there is only one way up, perfect for running a herd of deer or antelope up into. Not much else makes sense. Thank you for going there!
@jmcboo0208
@jmcboo0208 24 дня назад
DLPape, I guess I don't understand why some are suggesting the holes were steps. It didn't look like Jeff had trouble walking in that area without steps and I don't think they would have shaped steps like that (deep round holes). I was thinking post holes that have become partially filled in with dirt and debris. Too bad Jeff didn't try to discern the true depth of the holes.
@MrLee-ue7iu
@MrLee-ue7iu 5 месяцев назад
The center area has been cleaned, and someone attempted to rebuild what was once there. Thank you for the adventure.
@utahexplor
@utahexplor 2 месяца назад
About 200 to 250 yards southwest of that wall you will find the place where all the limestone came from to build this structure!
@rockinrobinguitarsmusic5285
@rockinrobinguitarsmusic5285 10 месяцев назад
I feel that was for sure a projectile point you found, and The holes could have been for a pole structure( mutually supporting), or just "Moki" holes since heavy loads of sand and stone had to be carried up. Also the multiple time frame usage makes sense... Oh well Thanks for bringing us along! Bart Wittrock
@maureencallahan1604
@maureencallahan1604 10 месяцев назад
Awesome mystery, it looks like the holes were probably intended to support posts probably for a roof or shade.
@zippitydoodah5693
@zippitydoodah5693 10 месяцев назад
Good thought
@fennynough6962
@fennynough6962 10 месяцев назад
Yes, or possibly to support post, attached to a walkway.
@chrishoyt4193
@chrishoyt4193 10 месяцев назад
Just a simple observation comparing to other sites you have posted. This looks like the outer layer of the fort is original while the inner is or was a attempt to rebuild it at they were drawing material from the out wall that has all the dirt mixed with it. That is why the inner wall of stacked rocks looks way to clean to be original. But any case very interesting thank you for your ongoing research and explanation.
@tortugalisa4748
@tortugalisa4748 10 месяцев назад
Wow Jeff! This was certainly a great mysterious find by one of your subscribers💯 I'm so glad you took on this one, nice its close to a location you are already interested in. I cant wait for your 3D workup on the cool rectangular build. Incorporating your e bike on what would have been miles of hiking is a fantastic idea👍👍👍 As always, thank you for all your wonderous, mysterious and interesting adventures for us😊
@AnyoneForToast
@AnyoneForToast 10 месяцев назад
Hi, England calling. I am familiar with dry stone walls, there are many over here. That site looks ancient, but with some large stones picked from the remains with which someone has made a very amateur attempt to rebuild a new wall within the old construction. About the original use, I have no idea, it may as well be on Mars to me. It's cold here, and will rain soon. All the best. 😀
@gon2westexas
@gon2westexas 10 месяцев назад
If the black rock isn’t from the surrounding landscape, it would have to have been brought in. That would make the structure unique, not utilitarian. What is the orientation of the structure?
@gregkerr725
@gregkerr725 10 месяцев назад
I was hoping that while you were there you would have flown the drone down into the adjacent canyons.
@KanoWhite53
@KanoWhite53 10 месяцев назад
Rock looks like slate. The holes might be for poles in some kind of pulley system. Great video man.
@divaden47
@divaden47 9 месяцев назад
Looks like someone has been practicing dry stone walling.
@jackiethorpe5866
@jackiethorpe5866 10 месяцев назад
Hi Jeff, another great adventure. I loved that bike. I've never seen one like that. Would you tell us a little more about it? I would like to look it up. Thanks for taking us along with you!
@TheTrekPlanner
@TheTrekPlanner 10 месяцев назад
I don't know anything about it! Even after being home and doing research, haven't really found anything substantial. It seems to predate pioneers who traversed the area
@amazinggrace5692
@amazinggrace5692 10 месяцев назад
@@TheTrekPlannerI think he meant to tell him a little more about the bike.
@manitobahunter7230
@manitobahunter7230 10 месяцев назад
I got the impression that the rocks and debris piled around the outside of the structure are placed there to camouflage the structures rock walls so that someone approaching would just see a more natural feature as they approached. I'd be interested to know if the holes are all much deeper and filled with sand or if they are shallow steps or notches and just the one hole at the top was deeper. If they are shallow it would indicate a way to catch something in, and deeper possible for poles, or again to anker something. The whole thing reminds me of a hunting ground blind, although I would think the animals would prefer the canyon below. Perhaps a defensive or ambush possition to catch unaware anyone trying to go over the hill top, so as not to be able to attack those living in the valley from the hilltop :)
@jmcboo0208
@jmcboo0208 24 дня назад
A couple of comments: I don't think the debris around the outside of the structure would have camouflaged the structure because it would have stuck out against the surrounding area. I don't think it blended in well. Regarding the holes, I think the holes were deeper but were filled in with a lot of sand and debris over time, and that they were for posts to support a barrier of sorts. As far as the animals preferring the canyon below, IDK, but what about mountain goats? Wouldn't they be likely to travel up that path? I totally agree with the defensive structure idea, to protect a group of people from invaders - you just have to find where the people's homes were, which shouldn't be hard to find if this hypothesis is accurate. My second choice would be a trap to catch goats in by luring them with food. Fun to ponder about all the possibilities, isn't it?
@forgingluck
@forgingluck 10 месяцев назад
That e bike was cool, nice way to extend range on sketch roads without much effort! Those drone shots are positively epic, I love that.
@_marlene
@_marlene 7 месяцев назад
yes, precisely what I thought as a hiker without 4wd! Great trailhead access. If I could stow *two* of them in my car, I'd really be set. You could take the thing half way up the dang trail and hide it.
@gordygowdy7989
@gordygowdy7989 5 месяцев назад
does the bike have solid tires, so no risk of a flat tire?
@lindaandscott6616
@lindaandscott6616 9 месяцев назад
Delightful trek! The white, pointed item, that you picked up and wondered about, ("a vertebra?") was the "coffin bone" from within the hoof of a cow, bison, sheep, antelope or other cloven-hoofed critter. The rock you found later, which you thought might have been a tool looked a lot like an arrowhead with the tip broken off. It would have been notched at the base, so thr user could fasten it to their arrow. One of the tails below the notch was also broken off.
@Mimzie-Arizona
@Mimzie-Arizona Месяц назад
I suspect that the rectangle is recently built from the rubble. Possible ladders up the the moki steps? Yes it's an arrowhead. Fun trip!
@Sam97979
@Sam97979 10 месяцев назад
I think it was a hunting corral to catch herded animals as they run down. You said in the video there's only one way up and down. But way back then they could've had a ladder or rope to get up the inaccessible side, then herd the animals to this spot.The holes were probably post holes for logs to go into to make a fence or wall. Then they could butcher anything they catch in there, or just take any that are unlucky and go over the edge. I don't know why one side was a rock building, and one side was wood, but I'm sure they had a reason.
@kathietee291
@kathietee291 10 месяцев назад
Jeff, thanks for your efforts to bring us another mysterious location to consider! Just please stay safe! We may never know who built this, or why, but it is definitely interesting to ponder regarding the early (or maybe, more recent) inhabitants of the southwest.
@waterfall836
@waterfall836 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for taking me with you. I loved everything. You are very courageous been alone in this journey.
@mudfossiluniversity
@mudfossiluniversity 7 месяцев назад
IMO that was housing just after the great flood and water was just a few feet lower. VERY FEW survived and only the ones on TOP lived thru it and did best they could. My channel speaks of these things.
@forestartists7526
@forestartists7526 9 месяцев назад
The Sasquatch make these rock structures everywhere! Wooded areas, desert areas, mountain tops, ledges, near lakes, rivers. Everywhere.
@john_ace
@john_ace 6 месяцев назад
I would suspect that this is a kind of barrier to control the access over the ridge. The inner wall is most likely a "recent" (maybe several 100 years old) attempt to reconstruct a part of the older structure. The holes could be post-holes for beams to create a fence where rocks could not be placed. You can pretty easily grind such holes by using the beams themselves. The Sandstone is soft enough that you can get pretty nice and deep holes when you use sand or a similar material. Wooden beams are not very common in this area and the indigenous people usually made use of stone whenever they could. Maybe this was a common travel route and a local tribe wanted to get a toll from the travelers or force travelers to use another route? It might not have been in usage for very long. A slight inconvenience may have been enough to archive whatever they tried to do here.
@aldocastellon3739
@aldocastellon3739 10 месяцев назад
Great video. The bone you found at 3:53 is part of a hoof. Maybe a Longhorn sheep.
@kellykoeller5535
@kellykoeller5535 10 месяцев назад
I live in northern Arizona along the Arizona strip where there is so much to explore. I need a sweet bike like this! Think I'll start with Kanab Creek Wilderness area and go from there. Thanks for the inspiration and all of your exciting content!
@Mr.Smith101
@Mr.Smith101 10 месяцев назад
I liked the video, because I can. :o
@howardfreeland5595
@howardfreeland5595 10 месяцев назад
You were right when you said that it looks like a petrified sand dune. That's what is is. We geologists call those thin beds of varying direction to be "cross bedded" sandstones. You should study a Physical Geology college book! That would really add to your experiences! You could check with the State Archaeological Authority to see if they have any knowledge of the site. If they do, maybe you can learn it's purpose. If they don't know this site, maybe they would like to study it. They should be very interested in this video. I guess that goes for most of your visits!
@llanitedave
@llanitedave 10 месяцев назад
That's correct. Those sandstone layers are literally fossilized sand dunes. During parts of the Cretaceous and through even more of the Jurassic, the region was a vast coastal desert, very similar to modern day Namibia. It was a giant sand sea. At the same time, the crust was slowly subsiding, allowing the sand to accumulate to thousands of feet in thickness. Later, when the environment became moister again, ground water flowing through the sand carried dissolved iron or calcite or suspended clay, which cemented the grains together into rock.
@churro762
@churro762 10 месяцев назад
I wonder if the holes down the side were coring samples? I couldn't tell if they looked machined... And the way the rocks were along the side almost seemed like they were picking the ones to use and tossing the others to the side. It was all very fascinating, thank you!
@thesaltyspacecowboy8531
@thesaltyspacecowboy8531 4 месяца назад
Wow I live in Western Colorado, my entire life, Grand Valley, always walking into hunting camps, they call them wikiups. Never seen something like this, awesome stuff... probably 800 to 1000 years old, maybe even older? Took a Southwest Archaeology class, very technical class, didnt do very well, but learned so much... Imma have to do some google maps exploration and find these spots. GREAT VID FREN tanks ;)
@ArtisticImpressionsbyBobRouth
@ArtisticImpressionsbyBobRouth 3 месяца назад
When I look at this, I see an unfinished project. The rock is brought up from below and stacked on the left in my perspective. The people selected a stone from the pile and tooled it to the size they wanted and it is taken to the place it is needed. More tooling is done to make it perfect and the debris is piled on the right. I think some other people tore it all down and scattered the debris everywhere. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. Those holes in the rock that go to the edge of the cliff I think are where posts fit in to build a winch of sort to lift the stones from below. I can envision a device that would fit that design.
@peziki
@peziki 10 месяцев назад
It seemed to me the trip going in was well traveled dirt w/recent tire impressions of heavy vehicles. As to the structure, it looks like an unfinished fortification with stockpiled stone alongside. Holes are post holes for ropes to walk up the incline, helpful especially when carrying a burden. Go back and search outreach areas for other hints such as dwellings, campsites and fire pits. Good video.
@joycewinegarner9786
@joycewinegarner9786 10 месяцев назад
Very curious... seems like it's maybe a defensive structure? I would expect there to be an area close by that would have dwellings for living in??? And, yes, that's a projectile point! Love your videos!!!❤❤❤
@jamespayne8781
@jamespayne8781 10 месяцев назад
The rock that is stacked looks pretty random. Where the mounds are is probably the original wall with the stacked rock a latter addition using the fallen rock for material.
@nicnewdigate
@nicnewdigate 4 месяца назад
There was an epic chapter left out of our history. Monotheism was the attempt to get us to forget about this erased chapter…
@SandyFielding-cl4dc
@SandyFielding-cl4dc 4 месяца назад
Looks like an old native area and those holes look like where they would grind acorns,,ect to make food with. When they get so deep, they start at another spot. From the looks of the stones around ,you can tell someone lived there centuries ago. Thanks for the adventure. Stay safe an God bless
@elouiserichards7606
@elouiserichards7606 5 месяцев назад
Yes. Jeff. I know that carf out is for mule or horses step.
@SLuce222
@SLuce222 10 месяцев назад
I think that you are right that it was defensive in nature. My guess at the holes is that they are post-holes. Given that they run to the edge of the cliff it's likely that they were to support a defensive fence of some sort. A very common type of defensive barricade involves vertical posts intertwined with horizontal branches. To slow down attackers from flanking the fort.
@bobbear
@bobbear 3 месяца назад
Not a village type structure, as you were trying to wrap your head around, but a battlement. It's the high point, and in sight over the edge of the water tanks in the gorge or creek, and the holes were at some time to hold post or wall supports long gone. It could have been posts holding up a roof for shade, a semi-fortified watch post or guard tower.
@TerriAnnNiemeier-dy3no
@TerriAnnNiemeier-dy3no 10 месяцев назад
the geology of the areas you investigate are as interesting to me as the structures. I'm amazed the weather hasn't leveled them.
@sandfish1
@sandfish1 4 месяца назад
Really cool! Maybe it was some type of decoy structure?
@cjoneillj
@cjoneillj 8 месяцев назад
Great video and awesome adventure! Thanks for sharing 🙌🏼.
@riverbender9898
@riverbender9898 Месяц назад
Excellent work! Yes, that was a broken point. Did you dig out the flowsand and gravel from any of the holes? They remind me of the remains of postholes, assuming they are deep enough for such a purpose. Very glad that I surfed into your site! Thank you.
@stuartfoster9693
@stuartfoster9693 2 месяца назад
The holes were from drilling for Uranium in the Sandstone, stoned area was for storing drill samples
@sallysilvershoes847
@sallysilvershoes847 6 месяцев назад
May I make a suggestion? It might be good to check the alignment of these walls to see if they correspond to any of the cardinal points. They may also be aligned to astronomical points too. It might be good to make notes on how these are aligned and do a little research later to see if you can find any hints as to the age of these ruins if they correspond to any archeoastronomical points like Sirius or the Plieades.
@chadrushing4685
@chadrushing4685 4 месяца назад
The holes were for placing defensive poles which would be bound together and create a wall for arrow defense and access denial, this fort is definitely unfinished but represents a year of labor for a tribe.
@davidcoates4852
@davidcoates4852 6 месяцев назад
Holes for posts, stockade wall? Creating a barrier across the only route to the bluff? Defended at the highest point by a gatehouse. Still under construction when abandoned possibly? Piles of raw materials at hand in long piles.
@RTCarterful
@RTCarterful 4 месяца назад
I don't understand where all these materials come from and the amount of labor involved in constructing these facilities. Another very interesting video. Thanks
@ThecultofCon
@ThecultofCon 9 месяцев назад
After the rapture, the remnant populations of the world would occasionally attempt to rebuild or salvage what remained of their settlements, which is why you see these roughly stacked blocks. Some groups feared the regions where the old cities used to stand and considered the areas to be cursed. But for those less superstitious folks, it was easier to just start over in the places they have always called home.
@harrypeterson9287
@harrypeterson9287 9 месяцев назад
Probably an observation post of sorts. It's a strategically good location having a 360 degree view of the area, a nearby water source and only one way in making it difficult to surround or stage an ambush. The walls were likely for shade and protection from the hot wind during the day and a means to conceal the light from their fire and protection from the cold wind during the night.
@samuelplew5630
@samuelplew5630 10 месяцев назад
This is great. I love old ruins and mysterious history. After 3 tries I finally made it to mesa verde last year. Enjoying your finds.
@ralphbaker2850
@ralphbaker2850 5 месяцев назад
It looks to me like the original structure collapsed and somebody started to reconstruct a new structure inside the old one.
@jayc2469
@jayc2469 9 месяцев назад
Epic stuff! You said that you didn't find anything in this but at 11:03 you appear to have what does look like a Very old Arrowhead. You were right I think in assuming that 'Notch' is the identifying part of it. The other notch is missing but yes I would completely agree with you and no you're not stoopid!
@artsimpson3670
@artsimpson3670 10 месяцев назад
And chemtrails. They never stop the geoengineering. But a great hike. The rocks are all up there! Look like post holes for fence. Were there giants in those days? Great videos, Thanks!
@donnellaapperson480
@donnellaapperson480 3 месяца назад
That was definitely an arrowhead! And in Arizona you are allowed to keep them
@milindsathe7454
@milindsathe7454 5 месяцев назад
Black rock seems to be yransported here from some other place. Somebody has spent lot of his time and energy to create that. Holes look like drilled by some machine may be recently or ancient. Keep going. You are very good
@flycatchful
@flycatchful 13 дней назад
For being so remote the road appears to be well traveled.
@weaselkeeper3028
@weaselkeeper3028 10 месяцев назад
Those holes were for fence posts, obviously.
@louellamoyer5578
@louellamoyer5578 5 месяцев назад
These people knew the skies, stars, seasons and were spiritual. All the ruins I've been to, there is directions pointing to the East, West, North, and South. Mostly North, where they came from. Remembering the Great Ancestors is much of their culture. I would venture to say that since the living dwellings were below where they grew crops and animals came to water, the top would be their lookouts and watching the stars. The holes could be steps and also used to point a direction. But that's just me. I'm a storyteller and writer.
@cathrynmartin4395
@cathrynmartin4395 4 месяца назад
Oddly it reminds me of some of the ancient "catchments" in arid regions to grow food. The rocks all around will keep any rainfall from just running away. There may have been dirt or some time of absorbant material to hold the water and keep roots in place. Just a thought - I'm stumped other than if you pull up videos on the "regreening" of deserts around the world, many use a formation like this near "D" shaped ones for trees.
@jameskirtley2552
@jameskirtley2552 7 месяцев назад
It seems to me that this structure has definite spiritual and cultural significance, which should be documented and protected. Thanks for sharing it,...this video made me subscribe 😊
@leftofright
@leftofright 10 месяцев назад
The different colour shale suggested they quarried the shale and brought it with, perhaps by wagon, and had men carry it up an make a fort? What lovely find!
@ericswain4177
@ericswain4177 7 месяцев назад
The circular indentations in the sandstone are really bizarre. !
@Idellphany
@Idellphany 9 месяцев назад
My first thought was, oo they just started building it!! Lovely find.
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