The Mystery Of Cleopatra and Arsinoe | Portrait of A Killer | Timeline 

Quite

So true

That’s dark I would never

But that still makes her a killer like every other ruler then ye shall not kill and if she was the ruler they didn’t have to die because like I said she is the ruler which means she could have stoped it but she didn’t so she had to want to do it so yes she was a killer like every other ruler oh and each male that got killed she was Married to well not every male but most of them she had most every body killed and she knew she didn’t have to .

You can’t be the best ruler if you kill every one that stands by your side so really nobody was the best ruler because every body killed every body

You can see her image on old coins that are on google images they said she looked plain Hollywood made her the glamorous Queen and we have no idea what her siblings are like yet in these clips her older brother looks a lot like one of the actors that played Tutankhamun

I believe she had big melons too.

Absolutely true. Theres a coin with cleopatras image on it and she does no look like your classic beauty. She also does not look anything like how she is so often portrayed.

There were different beauty standards back then though especially in Africa of all places.

Did it?

Normal day in the life of a man in power

Augustus was a chess player ..a calculating man. He used the rules to win..He used his private Praetorian guard to kill cesarian son of Cesar to cancel his succession..a chess move. And defeat Anthony. a roman who would suicide when lost..Cleopatra was a Ptolemy..a greek and would not suicide..Augustus maligned Cleopatras' children in chains In Rome yet the roman citizens did take pity on them which Augustus did not plan

This Scot is biased..Cesar was a war criminal and a roman

@@dr.k.conorfoxx2122 Octavian had Caesarion killed but the praetorian guard didn’t exist yet. And Kleopatra being a Ptolemy implies she didn’t commit suicide? Try telling that to her uncle.

@@dr.k.conorfoxx2122 to today’s standards, please stop applying your morals to any other time period

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Exactly drunk history had a good retelling of it

She only killed one sibling

@@ninjaked1265 Two.

So murder is okay if other people do it?

Sinfully Delighted I’m not surprised

Well said. In that era , it’s what had to be done. It was a very different world back then.

an imposter Egyptian ruler

Not every ancient ruler was a ruthless killer

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Kind of like the Kardashians of BCE.

Thats Whats 15 generations of deliberate inbreeding between brothers and sisters as well as growing up with a God Complex of you being the new godlike macedonian Pharaohs ruling over a majority of brown underlings who pray at you does to you. You become batshit crazy.

That’s a really fair explanation. It makes sense now.

Booorrriiinnnvg hearsay

Toooo dramatic! I mean history is very compelling and interesting without trying to turn it into some freaking Spielberg movie. Complete with distracting overpowering music.

That woman was a black African woman why is she consistently portrayed as white.

Shame this presenter is now a right wing shock jock on GB News. What a fall.

@@mubirunyago9178 Actually Cleopatra was of the Ptolemy family. They were Greek. The lineage from after Alexander The Great conquered Egypt. I hear what you're saying - but that applies to the older dynasties.

Lmao it was entertaining

You have to say it like you mean it.

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Seriously it's the accent that's more captivating then the content.. 😅

@@book4jesus4life22 I mean she may have been! Beauty is definitely subjective and standards of beauty change over time and vary by culture. And I don't think contemporary depictions of her are at all unattractive. My point was more that her appeal was never described as coming from her appearance in contemporary sources.

Royal blood , beautiful spectacular, excellent grooming, spectacular jewellery with great charm and charisma: Cleo certainly charmed two Roman conquerors

Thanks!

She became “beautiful” once she became whitewashed. Total psyop.

@@michaelrainey9668 stop lol. She was a caucasian. 😂

Plotted? She literally had Achillas killed and took over the army of Ptolemy XIII so she could resume the siege of Alexandria that trapped both Julius Caesar and Cleopatra VII inside of the royal palace. That's why she was brought to Rome in chains and paraded in the triumph in the first place, before her exile to Ephesus in Anatolia. I wouldn't call it scheming so much as a direct assault and very open threat on the lives of both Caesar and Cleopatra.

@@ericconnor8251 Ay

yep Arsinoe technically defeated caesar.

Yeah and then Cleo had Marc Anthony drag her out and kill her on the steps of the temple of Ephesus . Ruthless as were all the inbred Ptolemy's . @@ericconnor8251

Exactly

Well she was Greek after all so it's in keeping with the international theme.

I can't wait for a book or video of: Romans: greatest lies of centuries

Lolling!! Good One 🤣

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@@conorduggan6682 Her Father was Macedonian. But, She was 100% Egyptian. And she died Egyptian with African blood.

One source said that Cleopatra fled with her when she first went into exile in 49 BC. That meant later Arsinoe betrayed Cleopatra even though Arsinoe was also in danger from Ptolemy XIII and his court.

You know what gets me annoyed? The fact that they wont even try to portray the characters correctly, im pretty sure Cleo wasnt white

@@saroopstuart4546 Cleopatra also had a crooked nose and lots of wrinkles. But she was Mediterranean colored she was a Greek after all.

@@saroopstuart4546 she was Greek. She had red hair. Did you miss the part about her family line only having ruled for a short period ( in respect to the age of the state at the time)?

It really bothers me when people want to change fact for personal preference.

not her own sister and family. no excuse

It is so simple yes.

What isn't so simple is... is it possible that Arsinoe cursed Cleopatra before she died?

@@CocoCece08 No.

She would be It's a skeleton

Ya and kinda boring. I wanted a historic story not a forensic analysis of skeletons and rubble.

Isnt that what historians usually when they want to prove a point??? Lmao

I don’t care WHO, killed WHOM lol as long as he keeps saying murder 😳😝

How do you prove who it is, when none of her other family members have been found ever??? How can they say they are related when they haven't even found Cleo or her parents 😖

Love your videos. ☺️

no it wasnt just with greek rulers, there arent alot of events in history pointing towards fratricide among egyptian pharaohs

@Abu Misir Rulers gain their right to do so by their ability to dominate in whatever way they can, be it mind games or brute force. Nobody has a right to rule anybody when it comes down to it.

And my point is that there is no such thing.

+Themrgoodmanners Just because it’s not recorded doesn’t mean it never happened often.

She was not Pharaoh.She was Greek Macedonia the Ptolemy dynasty

Carlottie Same, someone else mentioned in the comments that they're painting Arsinoe as the virtuous martyr and her sister as the conniving seductress, and I have to agree. I'm still waiting for the part where they at least look into whether it could have been anyone other than Arsinoe, which is the main difference between the examination of these poor bones versus other high-profile Egypt royal family remains.

I agree, it’s always dangerous to try and prove a very specific point, rather than trying to find out the truth by exploring possibilities. I feel here they were mislead, Arsinoe was probably 22 or even older when she died, not in tune with the skull they found. And using Plutarch as a serious source for Cleopatra, without commenting that his sources were Roman stories about Cleopatra and he himself had never seen her as she had died decades earlier, is dubious.

Exactly! Tell that to apologists!

And British documentaries frequently have a strong romanticized, drama-queen flavor to them. Many are the emotional equivalent of the British tabloids.

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Actually all Ptolemiac males could speak many languages. It was part of the normal education for every boy. Cleopatra's father, decided to give her the same education as her brothers. Hence why she could speak many languages, just like all her male relatives.

But i hear she didn't wipe very well.

@@nathangent6921 I had to think about that for a few seconds, as i am an American. Nice one 👍

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Why are you looking Arsinoe better than Cleopatra?

Amira M wait. She didn't commit suicide? Thanks for telling me

Well she was a kid during the rebellion and was in exile, Rome made sure she could never come back, her death seemed more personal than anything else.

+Valenthyne Actually Arsinoe was in her late teens at the time of the Alexandrian war.

Fabian Hale how can you be so sure? She could have been anything between 11 and 18 in 48 BC.

Because according to history Arsinoe was younger than Kleopatra but older than Ptolemy XIII.

I don't need drama in a documentary. Just the supposed story and supposed evidence.

Ok

she lost to caesar not to cleopatra who was a conniving cuntress

Ceasar discovered he couldn't defeat Arsenoe, so he convinced her advisors to betray her. Ceasar offered Ptolemy in exchange for Arsenoe. The advisors accepted because Ptolemy was easier to control and manipulate. Ceasar was almost screwed...but somehow he always wiggles his way out of such situations.

She wasn't really defeated. Ceasar offered the Eunichs the Pharoah of Egypt (who Ceasar was holding hostage), in exchange for Arsenoe. The swap was made, Ptolemy was much easier to defeat, and was defeated.

The thing is that we already know Arsinoe IV tried to do this. When Caesar and Cleopatra were besieged in the Palace of Alexandria by the forces of Ptolemy XIII and his commander Achillas, Arsinoe IV took over that army by way of her tutor Ganymedes, who had Achillas killed before tricking Caesar into handing over the captive Ptolemy XIII. Arsinoe IV was later paraded as a prisoner in Caesar's triumph in Rome. She was only spared when the crowd objected to the sight of the heavy royal golden chains and bondage of such a young girl. That's why she was exiled to Ephesus in the first place. She was also old enough to challenge Cleopatra for the throne. It might seem cruel to us moderns, but this was a kill or be killed situation among the Ptolemaic royal family.

She was in a temple.

She was quite ugly as known by scholars her allure is said to have been her intellect, wit and she was famously educated in male seduction

She was not educated in male seduction. It's roman propaganda all over again. Any such "education" was beneath a hellenistic princess, a daughter of a king. She was educated in rhetoric and oratory, among other things(medicine and math). She was taught by best tutors, who gave her excellense in public speaking and her philological reputation. She was gripping in her conversation and persuasive in her discussion. She didn't need any "seduction skills". She just made her choice of partners herself, she wasn't sold in marriage by male relatives, as was customary at the time. That's why she was "seductress."

Look at what Cleopatras intentions ended up as? The idea of saving Egypt lead to the opposite result.

When Cleopatra had her killed, Arsenoe was locked up in a Greek temple in modern day Turkey. Totally disarmed of any influence or power. She wasn't a threat to anyone anymore.

@@tylerdurden3722 She wasn’t idle in her exile. She conspired with the priesthood of Artemis to be recognized as a still reigning queen.

@@fabianhale845 There was no conspiring. Arsinoe was adressed as Queen by everyone. Which Cleopatra did not like, but had to put up with it because...Ceasar prevented her from doing anything about it...(Ceasar himself was also being prevented by Roman politics). The reason Arsinoe was refered to as a Queen, was because Ceasar went to great lengths to present Arsinoe as a defeated Queen in his Triumph (to make his Triumph appear more noteworthy). Vanquished leaders (and their families) were paraded in Triumphs...and were usually ritually strangled outside the Temple of Jupiter after the parade. Ceasar planned for Arsinoe to be strangled because she humiliated Ceasar during the siege of Alexandria (especially when she used Ceasar's purple cloak as a victory flag when Ceasar was forced to flee for his life... and almost died😅). Anyway, during the triumph, the Roman crowd took pity on the very young teenage queen, seeing her paraded in chains through the streets...and some Roman politicians stopped Ceasar from doing the strangle thing at the end. Before that Triumph, no one even knew Arsinoe existed. By the time the Triumph was over, everyone knew her as a Ptolemiac Queen who came closest to defeating the great Ceasar. At the Temple, she was still adressed by the title of queen. The temple offered sanctuary. It's where people went to escape assassination...not to plot assassination. At that time, Rome (and the western territories) was being controlled by people who wanted to get rid of Mark Anthony and Cleopatra (in fact, the Roman Senate had declared war on Cleopatra). If Arsinoe really wanted to conspire, all she would have needed to do was contact or go to Rome...she would have found an army of like-minded politicians over there.

@@tylerdurden3722 So a young princess usurps the throne once during Kleopatra’s rule, is spared, and the man who put her in exile and was her sister’s main supporter dies, she promises to never do it again?

@@fabianhale845 What are you talking about? Arsinoe didn't usurp the throne. Ptolemy was Pharoah. Cleopatra tried to wrestle his throne from him, he tried to get rid of Cleopatra, but she fled put of Alexandria. Then Ceasar came along and with Cleopatra took the entire Royal family hostage...and the palace. The Eunich, Achillas then tried to rescue them with the Egyptian army. Arsenoe managed to escape and took control of that army outside and continued the attempt to take back the palace and rescue the Pharoah, who was being held hostage. Ceasar was busy losing against Arsinoe, so he offered the Eunichs a swap. To dwap Arsinoe for Ptolemy. Ptolemy was incompetent...Ceasar prefered an incompetent opponent. And Ptolemy was still officially the ruler of the country and was easier to control than Arsinoe. The Eunichs liked that. So the swap was made. Ceasar defeated Ptolemy (who died). Then Ceasar appointed a new Pharoah, also named Ptolemy (the younger brother...and made Cleopatra his co-ruler) Arsinoe was sent to the Temple of Artemis. In Egypt, the men usually ruled. When Ceasar died, Cleopatra killed the Pharoah (her second brother) and took power. This was the first time, Cleopatra was actually in power. Then later, she made a bargain with Mark Anthony that involved Arsinoe's death. Arsenoe was never really in power...except for that brief period during the siege of Alexandria. During which time Ptolemy the elder brother was still Pharoah. Rome, held the legal authority to annex Egypt anytime they wanted, but chose not to. They were more concerned with keeping the country stable as it's grain was critical to the existence of Rome. There were only two usurpers in this story. 1. Berenice usurped the throne from her father, also called Ptolemy. Rome declared war against the usurper, and put a Ptolemy back on the throne. 2. Cleopatra. When she killed the second brother Ptolemy to usurp his throne, after Ceasar died. This Ptolemy was made Pharoah by Rome. Again Rome declared war against the usurper but this time Egypt was annexed.

yeah but she was hotter so... i vote for arsinoe

@@fourshore502 lol sure, if you like your women with a wider brow and very manly.

The whole family was murderous. It was kill or be killed. Cleopatra was a survivor (and murderer)

@@fourshore502 i would say Cleopatra and Arsinoe were good looking , but when it came in terms of charisma and personality , Cleopatra was way advanced on such things

@@killval849 only dominant men can handle dominant women you peasant

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The people were happy they weren't starving but she was still a foreign ruler with many enemies.

you didnt have to kill to survive. look at the persian kings, they were very forgiving. however it was a persian woman who convinced darius to attack greece. most woman who obtained power in history went on to do horrible things. olympias, empress wu zetian, countess bathory, many roman aristorats, queen mary. the list goes on and on.

you're right you don't (or at least i believe that too), how ever they did. and I am sorry but Persia was a conquering nation like many of the ages. The world was still expanding and almost all nations were all violent back then. you missed others though like Boudicca, Cleopatra Thea (syria), Hatshepsut, nefertari (ramses ii wife), women had to fight in a male dominated political world so yeah i mean they kinda had to brash and ruthless at times, thats all leaders though. Times were WAY WAY WAY different back then too. So it was very normal. Cleopatra did what she had to. I honestly think out of any egyptian queen i feel nerfertiti was possibly the looniest.

@@daveshouse8105 the perrsians would actually give you back your statues if the babylonians had taken them. statues were gods basically so that was a big deal. persia would conquer not through violence but by diplomacy, they would give you a really good deal, and be allowed to continue your culture. if you were a single woman you were given a home and land to farm. by the time darius was leading it, the empathy had gone down a little. but remember that huge army xerxes led into greece, that army was so vast that it was supposed to dissuade violence, and show off its exotics and colors as it past through persia. i dont think the "woman in a mans world" is any excuse to be cruel. i understand your thinking but once you have hench men and power, your gender doesnt matter anymore.

Don Pablo Escobarrr I believe it’s up to the average person to see it differently. Cleopatra’s beauty is her unfathomable strength. Sure she’s aesthetically pleasing to the eye, but It’s strength, intellect and charm that makes Cleo a great beauty . Arsinoe is a classic “ youthful “ beauty . Do you possibly need glasses ?

@@makeupboss3568 Cleopatra was probably also very beautifull. I think you think this too. And she must be a .... in bed. Damn I wish I could go back in time now 🤣

@@Kvs-vf9nt lol 😂

What's Greece got to do with it?

@@Kvs-vf9nt no you dont

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Ok she is still a killer though nothing will change that

so whats supposed to mean anyway ? you think anything has changed or are we really still in "ancient times " ? take a good look around

Claudius didn't seem particularly homicidal and Julius Caesar forgave (too many) of his enemies. She was pretty ruthless.

Because she's equal to other killers she's less of a killer herself? Brilliant, masterful stuff man 👍

Poor Princess Diana was killed and it wasn’t even for a throne

I read somewhere one that in each human generation there are at least three people that change the course of history

same bro, same

Nero hhhhhhhh

I.....I can’t....his accent is too strong for me....

And the Roman orator/senator. They're the real stars of the show!

Brogue?

Edward had his father murdered for the crown before he abdicated....yet nobody talks about that.

Royalty or not, killing your own family is unacceptable

Who knows if this story is true or not, but what time in history you lived doesn't have anything to do with whether you were a narcissistic killer or not. Either you were, or you weren't. Anyone who butchered their way to the top, especially if they killed their own family members, falls under that standard whether they live today or died thousands of years ago.

@@Toolness1 that’s a pretty ignorant statement. Things were very different back then. Common ppl killed for survival. There was no due process. There were no text books on psychopathy and narcissism. There were hungry poor people. And then there were royals. The hungry killed for survival and the royals killed for their own survival.

The problem with that take is that her dynastic line was famous for the level of inbreeding and familial murder. Even in that time it was at an abnormally high level for her line, and even then not every generation wiped literally everyone else out, and yet she felt it necessary even when she had a Roman dictator's son and married the newest powerful individual in Rome. It was unnecessary, and Cleopatra is as overvalued as Alexander is. Had she been literally anywhere else other than Egypt and wasn't the last of her line she would be another one of the thousand nothing-burger rulers in history.

Besides all that Kleopatra´s Father left a huge dept to Rome (During his reign he had to rely on roman military assistance in order to put down a major native egyptian rebellion against the greek dynasty of ptolemies)hanging above the head of anyone to rule Egypt after him. Main reason for Antony and Kleapatra to meet was to discuss the terms of payment and the murder of Arsionoe was more of a sidekick to Kleopatra than of a main dish

Jennifer Goldstein *Cleopatra

Arsinoe IV literally had Achillas killed and took over the army of her captive brother Ptolemy XIII so she could resume the siege of Alexandria, with Julius Caesar and Cleopatra trapped inside the royal palace waiting for reinforcements. Arsinoe made a direct assault and threat upon their lives. That's why she was imprisoned and brought to Rome in chains to be paraded in the triumph, before being exiled to Ephesus in Anatolia.

Hey Jenny do you recommend another doc on cleopatra?

Very well put

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Wow this comment went from 1 extreme to the other

Sonia T perhaps you should do it the documentarie about Cleopatra 😆

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Hardly ignorant its what she was

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I don't know.Surely there must be somebody who does.

I know, I spotted that immediately! A shame they didn't include the Arsinoe angle in the series. In fact, it's a shame 'Rome' was cancelled so early, what promise it showed!

@@heatherfromcheshire7392 I read that it cost too much to make.

@@spudmcdougal369 I think mid-season 2, the set burned down so they had to wrap up the storylines in a hurry.

I LOVED him as the Daily Reader… that was a really clever idea for exposition

To think that she was the only of the Ptolemaic dynasty to know Egyptian.

they were thieves and not kings of Africa. they were oppressors ruling in Africa but were not rulers of Africa. the africans recognized their own rulers very much. ptolomy and Cleopatra and their bloodshed thieves invaded peaceful Africa to rob their tombs of gold. and when romb robing became difficult they transformed it into archeology. shame. only you can accept that version of history. Egypt is Africa not Europe.

@@dreffereinkayden2731 oh knock it off already.

Fabian Hale truth upsets historian from roman background. or romans guising themselves as jews. our African history is known all over our lands even if they do no exist in your books from Cambridge, oxford or wherever. African kings buried their dead with gold and jewels. a tradition for thousands and thousands of years that is still practiced today. only European thieves invaded when they hear of such wealth and began robbing the tombs. and they made themselves into gd's of the land committing bloodshed and spreading corruption.

@@dreffereinkayden2731 conspiracy theories do not count as truth. You can’t even stay on one topic.

Elizabeth I executed Mary Stuart (Mary Queen of Scots) because she saw a threat to her rule. However, she never had children, therefore no heir. After Elizabeth died, Mary Stuarts son James VI became King of England. An aside that is interesting. Mary Stuart's bio says she was 5'11" tall. I'll bet she towered over Elizabeth. A woman that tall in that age would have been intimidating.

She signed it unknowingly, the execution order

Elizabeth I killed many Catholics many as her father Henry VIII.

@@reinedegypte Its funny how the 5 most and for most people only known examples of Women ruling over a country have all ended in Massacres. From Boudica of Britain who first massacred towns and then got her entire tribe massacred, the only Queen of china who was also the most bloody ruler of ancient china, Katarina of Russia, Elizabeth 1 and even the new Elizabeth supporting the Wars all over the world, and Cleopatra who is also responsible for the death of her entire bloodline and destruction of a 3000 yesr old culture. Yeah vote for Hillary 2024 so we can finally get rid of the USA lol

@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Cleopatra just finished what the Ptolemaic dynasty was doing in all the time that they ruled Egypt. But definitely, Cleopatra is a good example of women killers. She was ambitious and wanted power like all humans in that time.

She was not likely beautiful; most sources report on her large nose, confirmed by the only images we have -- her face on the coins issued during her rule with Mark Anthony. Rather, she was "bewitching" due to her education, fluency in nine languages, command of finance and governance, quick wit and beguiling presence.

Sirama well I have to be honest with you all, she tried all her charms on me, but i kept telling her, Cleo baby girl, you just can't afford me, go try some peasant Roman guy, there easily pleased... The rest is history....god I love Me

She was really not that beautiful. Writers who came after she died called her a beautiful temptress heathen.

The actress isn't that attractive and fits the big nose description.

With all that in-breeding, she was very lucky to be intelligent and healthy. Beauty under those circumstances would be almost too much to hope for! But you never know, stranger things have happened.

Right... if only they agreed on the course

Insanity doesn't care. They were like snakes going after each other.

How do you know that? Would that have made their army any larger if they worked together?

Me too. Ive always been drawn to egyptian things in literature and movies. Egypt seems so mysterious and alluring.I was born Wrong era and wrong continent I think. Sigh

Linda Reiber As was I. I’ve had a fascination with ancient Egypt since I was 4-5 years old and I’m still still in love with Egypt.

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Some of them are Greek.

That’s a Disney movie. This is history.

I don't always toot my own horn, but this seems like an excellent opportunity to plug my video about this very subject, the ancient Roman artworks depicting Cleopatra VII, including sculpted marble heads/busts, wall paintings from Pompeii and Herculaneum, and raised relief images on silver coins. They all show a similar portrait of a Hellenistic Greek woman with a diadem: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-boQOXk9ZEoc.html

Sara Kinder she was black

Sara Kinder people in old Egypt were black.

+Seren geti Kleopatra wasn’t black. Neither is Arsinoe proven to be.

Seren Geti how the grand daughter of a Greek general could be black?

Lol

Isn't this the same man who played Roman herald announcing state-sponsored news to Roman citizens and residents in HBO tv series "Rome"?

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Are you kidding me? This is a biased doc against this woman. Haven't you read the comments explaining correct information?

The Ptolemaic dynasty wasn’t Egypt’s 24th dynasty.

My bad. The 31st or the Last Dynasty I should say, before Egypt became a Roman province.

And ever since... look at the british and other european monarchies as well. Even "democracies" have these kinds of leaders. Calling her a girl is misleading too, anything over 12 was an adult.

She never really had the throne. She only got it after Ceasar died and after killing everyone higher than her in the line of succession...except Arsinoe. When Ceasar defeated Ptolemy, he made Ptolemy's younger brother Pharoah. When Ceasar died, Cleopatra killed the second brother and took the throne (there were no more brothers left. Berenice, the only ister older than her was also dead). Then she proceeded to hunt down her last surviving Ptolemiac royal, who was living under the sanctuary of the temple of Artemis...in what is today modern Turkey. It's where people went to escape assassination. Anyone who lived there, lived there to escape designs on their life.

@@tylerdurden3722 When Ptolemy XII died in 51 bce, the throne passed to his young son, Ptolemy XIII, and daughter, Cleopatra VII. So the empire was hers to begin with. And the two married soon after their father's death but with the help of the counselors her brother wanted to rule alone so Soon after, Cleopatra was forced to flee Egypt for Syria, where she raised an army and in 48 BCE returned to face her brother at Pelusium, on Egypt’s eastern border. The murder of the Roman general Pompey, who had sought refuge from Ptolemy XIII at Pelusium, and the arrival of Julius Caesar brought temporary peace. Cleopatra realized that she needed Roman support, or, more specifically, Caesar’s support, if she was to regain her throne. Each was determined to use the other. Cleopatra was determined to keep her throne and, if possible, to restore the glories of the first Ptolemies and recover as much as possible of their dominions, which had included southern Syria and Palestine. Caesar and Cleopatra became lovers and spent the winter besieged in Alexandria. Roman reinforcements arrived the following spring, and Ptolemy XIII fled and drowned in the Nile. Caesar sought money for repayment of the debts incurred by Cleopatra’s father, Cleopatra, now married to her brother Ptolemy XIV, was restored to her throne. That is how she regained her power. Apart from her image of a seductress and according to the ancient texts she was scientist, philosopher, politician and ofc a great leader. murder was quite common in their family.

@@mrsbaetaeass6165 on paper she was co-ruler, yes. But she never actively ruled while Ceasar walked the earth. When her father died, Cleopatra's brother was appointed as senior ruler. He was underage, so the regent called Pothinus was the real person actively ruling Egypt. The reason Cleopatra ended up in exile, is because she attempted to wrestle power from her brother to become the main ruler...she failed and had to flee to Syria. Then Ceasar entered the picture, desperate to find money to pay his troops and pay off his mountain of debts...and he was on the hunt for a cash cow. Cleopatra's father owed Rome a ton of money, in loans he made to bribe people like Ceasar to not annex Egypt (a topic that was being actively debated by the Roman senate and was brought up by the Triumvirate... which included Ceasar) .😅 Ceasar intervened in Egypt (something the Roman senate was never willing to do, due to a prophecy of doom, in the Syballine Books, if they did) ... then after her brother was killed and Arsenoe sent to Anatolia, Ceasar forced Cleopatra to marry her second brother, also named Ptolemy. This brother was also underage, so Ceasar appointed a regent and advisors (which was his plan all along). The regent of this second brother was the actual ruler of Egypt (and of course, he was Cesar's puppet). Egypt was reduced to a Client-Kingdom by Ceasar (just like the Iceni, who was ruled by Boudicca, was reduced to a client-kingdom). While Cleopatra herself ran to Italy after Ceasar and went to live in Rome. You can't rule a kingdom like Egypt from Ceasar's villa in Rome. She was the junior co-ruler...on paper only...just like she had been before. It was only after Ceasar died and after she killed her second brother (to get rid of the regent Ceasar put in charge of things), that she took control and actively ruled, for the first time in her life. While Ceasar was alive, she was made just a figurehead by Ceasar, with Ceasar's regent really doing ruling. She and her brother were reduced to puppet monarchs by Ceasar. Only when Ceasar died, could she make her move.

@@tylerdurden3722 #HATER!!!!

Russell Smith pray tell about her military genius...yes she was intelligent...but her downfall was also the result of her ruthless ambition...she stopped at nothing...used and abused her power wherever she could...the stories tend to romanticize her but not history

@@monadebata5223 what did she abuse?

Alexander the Great was her great-uncle.... it was in the DNA.

@@Peekaboo-Kitty That will not help you if you are stupid or weak.

@@Peekaboo-Kitty No of course not. But knowing facts ALONE does not make you wise if you do not know how to apply it in practice and so to be really effective you need BOTH. It is the difference between having great grammar vs having a truly creative mind when writing a novel.If you don't have both you cannot write like Tolkein. Or being a technically brilliant musician who lacks vision as is so often the case which is why we remember those that again have both (Jimi Hendrix who changed what guitarists do and think) vs some studio technician who can play exactly what is on the page but could not improvise melodically to save their soul and just plays scales fast!

I think she offered Ceaser what he wanted, which in truth was wealth. Between its grain, Egypt was also controlled most of the trade with India and the Far East. Could it be that she simply offered him a better deal than her brother? Their being lovers was more of propaganda victory for Ceaser, all though in the long run Cleopatra tried to turn it to her advantage.

mike deck I'm sure that helped! But she met with him before her brother had a chance to.

Exactly. She was an expert politician. Her beauty may have helped her, but her intelligence and charisma was likely what made her so formidable. I hate it when they reduce historical female leaders to merely being 'beautiful'.

I agree she used her intelligence more than her looks also it cute possibly that the all legend about her looks began from Julius Caesar's enemies trying to show him like an old man fallen to a woman's tricks

I'm sure she was all those things but just like today if a woman isn't very beautiful....a powerful man isn't about to "fall into" to her seduction lol like even what she chose to do for me showed the confidence of a woman who was considered physically beautiful. I believe she was beautiful for her time maybe not ours but definitely her own along with educated and the rest. She used everything she had to prosper and get where she needed to be.

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He does a bunch of bbc docs. He does a series on the stone age that's pretty good as well.

@@jennesseee7069 Just eat your plants and stop trying to tell other people what they should be doing.

transitioning children.

@@backintimealwyn5736 and aborting them.

@Gabryjel me fale mais sobre isso por favor

Elizabeth 1 had mary queenof Scots beheaded.her cousin. Also her lovers wife was found dead at the bottom of the stairs

cleopatra was not a caucasian,you need to confirm the facts and not fantacy.

@@danieljohnson1035 lol she was Greek

@@jaygarit9177 No but was she pure greek we don't know that and more than likely she was not cause where have men Conquered and not had relations with the local women so it's quite possible she was not 100% European or Greek in this instance 🤔🤔🤔👍💯

@@jaygarit9177 Macedónia☺️

@@kennyjukes2495 A bit Hungaryan MAG☺️

the guy playing cassius dio is kinda over the top and loud

That's his accent

6:40 the heavy set guy was also in HBO's Rome.

You do know this is a ton of assumptions and very thin evidence, right?

Centurion Lucius Varus Sulla What about Gaius Marius?

To Err is Huma Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus we're Centurion, not the same thing as Consul or Dictator/Emperor.

To Err is Huma No they are actually Real, if you read Gaius Julius Caesar's book "De Bello Gallico", he mention those two name, and they have a Documentary of their own. Seriously search them up, you'll be surprised.

top notch butchers indeed

To Err is Huma don't know what you mean by "judging by your comment" and stuff, but good to know.